If you lived abroad, which I have and you espouse, then you'd see this nation is quite different from Europe or the east for sure regarding lib and pub beliefs. All those countries in my experience are much more liberal than ours. The only more conservative countries that I can think of off the top of my head are middle eastern. France, England, Japan, Switzerland, Germany, New Zealand (just my most recent travels, not a summary) all more liberal than the U.S. regarding most social liberty issues, except gun control. So yeah, maybe I should get out more...that's it
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If you lived abroad, which I have and you espouse, then you'd see this nation is quite different from Europe or the east for sure regarding lib and pub beliefs. All those countries in my experience are much more liberal than ours. The only more conservative countries that I can think of off the top of my head are middle eastern. France, England, Japan, Switzerland, Germany, New Zealand (just my most recent travels, not a summary) all more liberal than the U.S. regarding most social liberty issues, except gun control. So yeah, maybe I should get out more...that's it
This is more about "somebody says I can't do this" so I'm gonna force em to let me. BTW, if a marriage license offers such great benefits why are so few straight people getting married and almost no black people. Sorta like Hillary's recent lie about black people being denied the opportunity to vote. If she can make em believe that, it'll motivate them. Funny since her home state of NY has 1 voting day. In most of the south and Republican controlled states it's voting month. But you've pretty much drank all the koolaid so I'm wasting my time.
Things are working out great in those liberal western European countries like France. We need to "copy" that. Btw, thanks for your vacation travel summary Gulliver. You stay more than a week anywhere?
You're wasting your time. This guy's not receptive to opposing view points and actually thinks those who disagree on religious grounds should suffer dire consequences. Sad.
Yep. But again waste of my time good night. You clearly have learned little from your travels. We sure as hell should copy Japan and Germany. But I digress lster
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He's the same "clown" who in a later post was praising the more "progressive" European social views. That seems to be working out great. The same liberal policies that allowed anyone from the former "colonies" to immigrate to France, England, etc. Now they have their own "cesspools". Great liberal thinkers know how to f_ck things up, but no idea how to fix it after the fact. Now the French are worried who's head is next.
No I didn't. You're lying. Read my post YOU quoted above. I stated that they were more liberal than our cultures which you alleged they weren't. You're wrong. They are more liberal except with respect to gun laws. I only said we should copy Japan and Germany. Quit lying and calling names.
This is not what I found with Europeans and Japanese (in discussing events or politics) but find with you and most pub Americans. You say stupid shit, get called out (even taking it to the extreme defending your stupid allegations about bob Dylan) then resort to name calling and misrepresenting what I said. I said nothing of the sort "praising more progressive Europeans". I did not say that at all. Period. I pointed out that Europe, the east and Southeast Asia are much more liberal than the U.S. Which is true and if you traveled like you alleged you'd know. That's it. Period. Read my post above. Stop lying, I don't think Jesus thinks that's okay last I checked.
So deeply held religious beliefs are stupid to you?. Pal you truly are one fcked up moonbat. You actually believe the polling on this issue? 40 stats have passed laws to up hole traditional marriage. Yet five moonbat lawyers know better and wrote new law. These deviants have every right any American does. You are a tyrant type that wants gov to force pl to like what you want, and destroy those that don't. All debate tactics aside. IMO you are a disgusting person. You're also, despite your silly claims, extremely ignorant. ..I take that back, you're stupid, you don't even understand the far reaching destruction of the Country because of this ruling. My views are in the majority...acutal VOTING says so. Now what Dorithy
And there's a reason they all look to the U.S. EVERYTIME THEYRE IN TROUBLE damn man LOL @ u
I lived in Europe for 3 years, but visited many times since. How about you? You didn't learn much from your experience there if it was only a week or 10 years IMO. I spent time in East Berlin when the wall was still in place among other places. Got to face off with a "stare down" of the Soviets and East German military there. Gotta bet you've probably never been detained by the Soviets at the East German border, or walked in the footsteps of those who landed on the beaches in Normandy as part of the "Big Red 1". I wasn't on vacation so I might have missed the tourist areas you visited. Yeah, I guess your progressive "world view" gathered on vacation would trump any of my experiences. I'm sure I could learn a lot from you..........LOL.
What and try a conquer the world, and kill 10s of million?, or suffer decades of economic slumber........well hell I guess we are coping Japan as we speak
The guy use to amuse me. But no more. He's a left wig moonbat who doesn't know his as from a hole in the ground. He's truly disgusting, suggesting ppl should be put out of business for their religious beliefs.
As a consequences, law and order kinda guy it would seem to be right up your alley... As long as they aren't nd football players right? False rape society...smh
You need to learn how to use the quote button . As to the false rape...na, never happens....Duke Lacrosse team.....Rolling Stone? LOL You shoul tone down all the stuff about being so smart..........you ain't
Naw man. A washed up drunk couldn't do that bud. Miserable? You must be kidding lol. Back to ignore, but it is mildly entertsining to see such idiocy on public display.
Judicial actions all proceed under law or rules either initiated by or authorized by Congress. Including civil suits. BTW, no one has ever, to my knowledge, asserted the right to racially discriminate as a freedom of religion issue. The issue is not the cake per se, it's the decoration which is content that violated their conscience. They'll make a plain old cake for anybody, as they should if that's their business, but, IMO, forcing them to espouse, through cake decoration, that which offends their religious convictions is out of line.
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Let me update you on the first amendment.
Prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
BOOM! Maybe you can not comprehend what Imforthedawgs and Rolo have been posting, but there it is in legalese so you can not misinterpret the meaning or the protection it provides for religious freedom.
Religious freedom has been slipping away with every law passed such as this. I feel you do not understand or believe, but God's word has never changed or faltered, society has.
One advantage I can think of with this ruling. They've pretty much settled estate problems. Now if a Grandmother wants to marry her grandaughter who's stopping her? now her estate passes tax free. Wait, you can't marry same blood lines you say? Sez who? Were did we get that from......well we got that from the bible , which tells us marriage is a man and a woman.......but that no longer matters right....
Nothin wrong with fund raising and pimping...GOD BLESS YOU ALL BUT MOST ALL , SEND YOUR MONEY
I appreciate your insight. I see your point but a lot of times these cases become more about the arguement made than what the original intent of the people involved was. I don't believe that because someone calls it their religion they then get to refuse just about anything but the scientologists seem to have mastered this with their tax evasion religion scheme. This also is clearly not persecution. There is legal precendent for protection of religious belief but not protection of racist/homophobic religious actions. So again, not persecution. There have been cases of use of religion from racial discrimination. The piggie park Supreme Court case. . See below.
Maybe for sept and others I should post a big BOOM! And then link the first amendment. but again, I'm not linking to the first amendment which we all understand, I'm linking to a case that shows religious racist actions are not protected. Thanks for the dialogue, I enjoy your input and thoughts
I think the case of racial discrimination on religious beliefs was the piggie park case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman_v._Piggie_Park_Enterprises,_Inc.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ght-grow-generational-defeat-christian-right/
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Did you purposely leave sexist out of that list? The Catholic Church effectively discriminates against women in its hiring of priests. I'm sure you'll point out that it is a religious organization and a business is not, but the recent Hobby Lobby SCOTUS case showed that a closely-held business can claim a religious exemption from offering coverage to its employees for abortifacients. The same should apply to a business wishing to not offer services for a gay wedding. There is a big difference between using religion to justify racial discrimination and using it to justify declining to participate in a private function.
Maybe your not grasping what i'm saying... id don't partivularily care about the case but showed examples of supreme court cases where religion was used to discriminate. Sure the catholic church does that to this day (except for that nun thing) and don't totally care either....
what I was discussing was someone alleging persectuion for this becoming a lawsuit. It's not persecution. That is dramatic over speak. The courts are the source to determine this...and thus a case and thus NOT persecution. AND there have been cases (piggie) that add to the discussion when someone above alleged religion had not been used to discriminate. Who wins or loses this case of gay wedding cake I don't care
Can you even read? did you even follow the link? The guy above alleged religion had not been used as a defence of racism. IT HAS. follow the links for the PIGGIE supreme court case. The racist used relgion as his defense. are you drunk again? SMH
If you think the support of gay marriage is the majority view why did it fail in a referendum in California of all places? Just imagine how badly it would fail in a national referendum. You only "think" you are a part of the majority, unless you and unelected federal judges constitute the majority.
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Because Google is the authority on all things...clearly it's true if you can find it on Google. I guess we've resorted to not being able to have a dissenting opinion - or one that we arrive at based on our own experience. If some blog douche or media talking head doesn't have a web quote to back up my opinion, is it wrong? It certainly falls in line with all of the other farces of personal freedom that seem to be running rampant these days. F Bob Dylan, and F anyone else that tries to say another's O-F'ING-PINION is wrong. If I want to make a top 50 list, then as far as I'm concerned - in my damn opinion - it's right. The fact that I would waste my time in putting together such a list would incinuate that I don't give a flying fock what you think. Happy 4th! Glad our veterans past and present stood up for folks' right to be complete and utter dumbasses.
That ruling was made because we are all children of God, I do not see Christians excluding someone along the lines of race. Christians are inclusive for the most part. There are always bad examples out there. That is why we look to God to change our wicked human hearts to show love and compassion.
That man was not following the christian way by not serving blacks. We are all humans (thus sinners) and flawed, there fore we need God to heal us. You can not claim that Christians are haters because they do not agree with the gay lifestyle. I do not like sushi, so I do not eat it. I will not demand that all sushi restaurants be shut down. Just an example I know it is not the same as a gay couple. You do not see pedophiles coming into worship in a church while performing their sin of choice, or an alcoholic, drug addict. They are welcomed into the church to be transformed by Gods love as well as the fellowship of other sinners looking for God's grace. You fail to see how these actions are in direct opposition to our beliefs and allowing them would be turning from God's commandments. The gay movement is not interested in changing what we as Christians have been taught is a sin, they want us to change God's word to make them feel like they are in the right. It will never happen! They are more than welcomed to come to church and follow God's word and repent of their sinful ways, just as we do for our own sins. I have no hatred towards the gay community, they just need to remember tolerance is a two way street.
As I stated, your court cases aren't relevant because there is no real Biblical basis for discriminating based on race. There is a clear Biblical basis for why a person would not want to be a part of a gay wedding, just like there is a basis for why the Catholic Church doesn't want women as priests. Furthermore, this is not about discriminating against gays in all cases - just one particular case.
You may think "persecution" is too strong a word, but it is not far from what has already happen and will continue to happen. My example of the pizza place is an example. People have and will target businesses solely because of the owner's beliefs for the purpose of forcing them to do something which can reasonably be shown to conflict with those beliefs.
I poitned out to the guy that there have been 40 States that have had actual referendum's on marriage, all but one passed in favor of traditional marriage in overwhelming support. Yet he want's to sight media driven polls that set out to get the answer they need, much like the global warming goofballs
cool man. happy fourth. I'll make sure to listen to you and your lists over tom petty and tons of other artists who actually make music and are considered legends also....maybe you should make that list of top song writers.... then your list would be on that crazy google thing..... maybe then you could debate tom petty amongst others... How what you said is relevant to the fourth (I'll be working so I can't celebrate with my family who are veterans also) I don't really know
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