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Seriously, its a sewer over there. Not to mention full of dumb asre liberals. I feel like I lost 30 points of my IQ just trying to bring some sense to those imbeciles over there. D.JD

Thread over there the other day, if you could bring back one president.

Top three,
Obama
Clinton
Lincoln
with some Jimmy Carter thrown in.

Then Obama or Hillary thread..I mean seriously..you can't make this shat up.

Baked ham please
 
So, you disagree with their political preferences...and thought you could change their mind on a message board? Appears, then, that that 30 point intellect drop represented a 50% reduction.
 
It sure has taken a turn for the worst here. You must have to hate freedom and the USA to converse with most of the new board posters! Kind of a reflection of our once great nation. Hope it's not to far gone to recover either.
 
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It sure has taken a turn for the worst here. You must have to hate freedom and the USA to converse with most of the new board posters! Kind of a reflection of our once great nation. Hope it's not to far gone to recover either.
Are you visiting Elsewhere??
 
The freedom to refuse service to someone who's views go against your own.Example the bakery that is being sued for refusing to make a cake for lesbian couple. They could go somewhere else, but now the bakery is being sued for 135K because they were Christians and did not want to take part in any of the gay wedding pomp and circumstance. America hating: A pos president apologizing to the world because we are who we are! Non-working and working Citizens who want the government to provide a living for them by taking from the the achievers that work their tails off daily to support their families (not others families)! what about people like the florida frat boys that started harassing the wounded warriors on the beach and urinating on the soldiers American flag. That is not protesting that is hating America and they are welcomed to go elsewhere if that is how they fell.Just a few examples as I mentioned, it seems to be more common and "cool" to hate America these days. Can't argue the facts , I wish these were not true stories.
 
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Refusing service based on misguide ideals is not new in America...ask a black person. Disrespecting military members is not new in America...ask a Nam or Korea vet. The social safety net is not new...ask a senior. The only thing that appears new is that the majority (U.S. Hit male heterosexual and you, I assume, Christians, are being asked to actually live up to the principles espoused at our founding instead of just using them as empty slogans when arguing Exceptionalism. Now a POTUs that admits the mistakes of our past and apologizes for them, THAT is new. Nice we elected a grownup.
 
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the potus is a sorry excuse for a leader. Look at the state of the world now, most of it can be pinned on obama's lack of leadership and arrogance. Refusing to serve based on going against religious beliefs is not new and is not wrong. I am a live and let live kind of guy, I have gay friends that know how I feel about their lifestyles but I love them as a brother, even though I do not agree with the lifestyle. They do not preach to me and I do not preach to them unless they ask my opinion. Just because you disagree with some ones actions or life style does not mean you are a bigot. God's commandments have not changed, society has! I love all my brothers and sisters, but will not change my beliefs or principles to be accepted by them or society. That is the problem with the US today is that political correctness has damned this nation and our once strong values.
 
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No, being a bigot makes you a bigot; you just have a ready-made excuse that has, historically, gone unquestioned. It went unquestioned when the same, tired argument was used to enforce segregation and Jim Crow (remember the thunder from the pulpit about 'mongrelization'?). I'm sure if the term were around in the day the complaints about separate an equal would have been considered political correctness. This country is finally trying to live up to its promise; it's a shame that some can't see it. It's even more of a shame that those that can't have the temerity to call those who do unpatriotic.
 
It sure has taken a turn for the worst here. You must have to hate freedom and the USA to converse with most of the new board posters! Kind of a reflection of our once great nation. Hope it's not to far gone to recover either.
I agree .... Most of those people over on the new board behave as if they hate freedom ..... They behaved the same exact way over here too .... Everything is a plot, liberalism and socialism are cusswords, anybody that has a slightly moderate view is an evil person .... And don't you dare ever think of slightly agreeing with any democrat on anything ....On and on and on

Good riddance to the haters I say
 
No, being a bigot makes you a bigot; you just have a ready-made excuse that has, historically, gone unquestioned. It went unquestioned when the same, tired argument was used to enforce segregation and Jim Crow (remember the thunder from the pulpit about 'mongrelization'?). I'm sure if the term were around in the day the complaints about separate an equal would have been considered political correctness. This country is finally trying to live up to its promise; it's a shame that some can't see it. It's even more of a shame that those that can't have the temerity to call those who do unpatriotic.

Sorry, the shame of it is that people are no longer able to resist participation in activities that offend their religious convictions and still earn a living. Your "Jim Crowe" reference has nothing to do with religion regardless of "thundering from the pulpit" that occurred. Poor analogy. Also, these customers have plenty of options that were unavailable to African Americans in the "Jim Crowe" days. How do you feel about Muslim bakeries that refuse service based on their convictions?
 
No, being a bigot makes you a bigot; you just have a ready-made excuse that has, historically, gone unquestioned. It went unquestioned when the same, tired argument was used to enforce segregation and Jim Crow (remember the thunder from the pulpit about 'mongrelization'?). I'm sure if the term were around in the day the complaints about separate an equal would have been considered political correctness. This country is finally trying to live up to its promise; it's a shame that some can't see it. It's even more of a shame that those that can't have the temerity to call those who do unpatriotic.
Brilliant post hydro ! Spot on. I'm encouraged to finally see an intelligent view around here ..... The purge is working
 
Sorry, the shame of it is that people are no longer able to resist participation in activities that offend their religious convictions and still earn a living. Your "Jim Crowe" reference has nothing to do with religion regardless of "thundering from the pulpit" that occurred. Poor analogy. Also, these customers have plenty of options that were unavailable to African Americans in the "Jim Crowe" days. How do you feel about Muslim bakeries that refuse service based on their convictions?
I don't think there are very many Muslim bakeries around

And to your other point about other options available ..... This is still a free country and ou should be able to shop wherever you want without bigotry.

You go screw with the 1 Muslim bakery if you want....while the rest of us work on eliminating mainstream hatred
 
Following your core beliefs does not make anyone a bigot. That is like calling someone racist who does not agree with some of the lifestyle that some African-Americans lead. The golden rule applies even today, I will not go to a gay owned bakery and demand they make a cake that quotes the bible about a verse that condemns homosexuality.
That would be in my opinion stirring the pudding and needless.
 
Following your core beliefs does not make anyone a bigot. That is like calling someone racist who does not agree with some of the lifestyle that some African-Americans lead. The golden rule applies even today, I will not go to a gay owned bakery and demand they make a cake that quotes the bible about a verse that condemns homosexuality.
That would be in my opinion stirring the pudding and needless.
This is the most incredibly bigoted crap I've ever read . Bake hame for your self worth
 
Following your core beliefs does not make anyone a bigot. .
If the dogma of your core beliefs are bigoted it does. Look, you're choosing to believe that a group of mortal men were able to discern the attitude of a supernatural entity toward sexual preference, an attitude that coincidentally dove-tailed with their own, instead of that bigotry is part and parcel of the religion that grew around a core belief. It's Kevlar, allowing you to deflect criticism of an attitude inconsistent with what this country claims to stand for. Not a great character trait but, okay. However, to then claim to be a patriot and to question the patriotism of those who consider equal protection the bedrock of the American Experiment, that cannot go unchallenged.
 
I did not write the good book. It is God's commandment not mine (just like thall shalt not kill). I just try to follow the golden rule also the teachings of Jesus and love others in my daily life as I want to be loved. I am not passing judgement upon anyone just calling out the facts. I just get tired of people attacking Christianity (i know there are bad representatives of the religion) and expecting us to change our beliefs when they are not willing to look at someone else's perspective. The only people I consider unpatriotic are the ones that do not recognize the sacrifices brave men made so they can live free in this once great nation.
 
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No, you didn't, other men did and they were also subject to the prejudices of their time and society. And, facts? Ooh, dangerous to try and use facts and theology in the same argument; they mix poorly. And your beliefs are not society's concern; your actions as they relate to this still great, still secular country
 
Refusing service based on misguide ideals is not new in America...ask a black person. Disrespecting military members is not new in America...ask a Nam or Korea vet. The social safety net is not new...ask a senior. The only thing that appears new is that the majority (U.S. Hit male heterosexual and you, I assume, Christians, are being asked to actually live up to the principles espoused at our founding instead of just using them as empty slogans when arguing Exceptionalism. Now a POTUs that admits the mistakes of our past and apologizes for them, THAT is new. Nice we elected a grownup.

That was a great synopsis of typical liberal spin. clap. clap. I can't find in the bible where it says that being black is sinful. I just haven't found it. However it does mention that homosexuality is a sin. Now, most Christians live by the philosophy of hate the sin but love the sinner because we all sin and fall short of our commitment to God. We willingly serve all of God's people. There is a difference however in serving a gay couple and being forced to participate in their union. That is problematic. It is amazing that you libs want us to live up "to the principals of our founding" unless it involves limited government....or the right to bear arms....or in this case freedom of religion. I have yet to see where it mentions anything about homosexuality in the constitution. In fact for 200 years it was a non issue.

I am glad that you are smart enough to determine what is a misguided ideal for everyone. You are apparently a religious scholar as well as a legal scholar.
 
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To Hydro... You do realize that just a generation ago, being homosexual was considered a mental disease. It is not natural and no matter how much posturing you and the rest of your lisping, limp wristed leftist whine about it, it will never be natural. SO don't preach to us about being accepting and tolerant of deviant behaviors, you idealistic little f*ck
 
I am trying to show that by example Christians can be compassionate and loving even though we are looked upon as the bad ones.We are not the ones who demand others accept our views not at all. I have not tried to force my belief system on you or anyone else, but you demand that I submit to your line of thinking (I guess that is what you call being open minded.) If you open your eyes the country is falling apart in front of us, we are looked upon as laughing stock on the world stage now. The media demand we look the other way when a young thug breaks the law so we can avoid what is happening in Baltimore even as we converse. The law of the land has become the law of the jungle and Chaos ensues.
 
Yes, we see some of that glorious Jesus- speak in Quints post. Thank you, sir, for helping prove one of my points in a wonderfully eloquent manner. Now, as to those other 'founding principles' Bone holds dear, those are of governance not of philosophy as is assuring the civil liberties of all citizens. As in we can argue what is meant by limits on government and bearing arms but the idea that all citizens are equally protected by law cannot be questioned and still stay true to our founding (though it's taken us beyond now to realize it....with the religious often at the forefront of resistance). You're right, gay rights are not specifically mentioned in the founding documents; that's where the 'living , breathing document' beauty that so irks the less supple minded comes in...like 'well-regulated militia'. All of your rights end at the point of my nose so, while you are guaranteed the right to practice your religion (Samkhya, wasn't it?), you are not free to impose those beliefs on the body of society. We've ignored that relatively simple principle for the most part in our history but we're finally trying to evolve a bit. Sorry if that makes you squeamish.
 
Bone, we're you alive and aware in the 60s, the 70s? You're channeling the doomsayers of that era perfectly!
 
No, being a bigot makes you a bigot; you just have a ready-made excuse that has, historically, gone unquestioned. It went unquestioned when the same, tired argument was used to enforce segregation and Jim Crow (remember the thunder from the pulpit about 'mongrelization'?). I'm sure if the term were around in the day the complaints about separate an equal would have been considered political correctness. This country is finally trying to live up to its promise; it's a shame that some can't see it. It's even more of a shame that those that can't have the temerity to call those who do unpatriotic.
It's not the same argument at all. The Biblical argument for segregation was tenuous at best. There's no question about how the Bible defines marriage. As I said in another post, the State can't shut down the KKK, but apparently it can shut a business down if the issue is refusing to participate in a gay wedding.
 
I don't think the government can legally prevent bigoted speech or opinions, but they can take action if they consider you are violating someone's civil rights. But I'm not familiar with what happened with the cake incident.
 
I don't think the government can legally prevent bigoted speech or opinions, but they can take action if they consider you are violating someone's civil rights. But I'm not familiar with what happened with the cake incident.
That's where the conflict comes in - one person's civil rights and another's religious freedom. IMO, a civil right can't be created and have the power to trump a religious freedom, which is what in effect has happened.
 
Tom, the State can't prosecute the Klan for its opinions but can for its actions. Similar here; march all you want against gay marriage, petition your Legislator, pray, slaughter a goat, whatever, and, fine, but as soon as you impact others rights (other than the goat's) through an action, you have a problem.
 
And, Tom, your right to practice your religion has not been usurped, only your ability to discriminate based on it.
 
Tom, the State can't prosecute the Klan for its opinions but can for its actions. Similar here; march all you want against gay marriage, petition your Legislator, pray, slaughter a goat, whatever, and, fine, but as soon as you impact others rights (other than the goat's) through an action, you have a problem.
If a person asked a printer to print fliers opposing gay marriage, and the printer happened to be gay, should he not have the right to refuse the job? The same principle should apply to someone whose religious beliefs dictate that marriage is between a man and a woman.
 
And, Tom, your right to practice your religion has not been usurped, only your ability to discriminate based on it.
Discrimination based on religious belief has been around for a long time. People may find religious beliefs distasteful, but they are what they are and should be protected when asserting them means declining to participate in what is nothing more than a private party.
 
I'm not sure if a "civil right" always trumps a "religious right", but I imagine the SCOTUS will end up deciding. The end result will probably be that a lot of bakeries will stop making wedding cakes, crazy as that sounds.
 
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Yes, we see some of that glorious Jesus- speak in Quints post. Thank you, sir, for helping prove one of my points in a wonderfully eloquent manner. Now, as to those other 'founding principles' Bone holds dear, those are of governance not of philosophy as is assuring the civil liberties of all citizens. As in we can argue what is meant by limits on government and bearing arms but the idea that all citizens are equally protected by law cannot be questioned and still stay true to our founding (though it's taken us beyond now to realize it....with the religious often at the forefront of resistance). You're right, gay rights are not specifically mentioned in the founding documents; that's where the 'living , breathing document' beauty that so irks the less supple minded comes in...like 'well-regulated militia'. All of your rights end at the point of my nose so, while you are guaranteed the right to practice your religion (Samkhya, wasn't it?), you are not free to impose those beliefs on the body of society. We've ignored that relatively simple principle for the most part in our history but we're finally trying to evolve a bit. Sorry if that makes you squeamish.

What you guys really want to do is re-write history and form a separate country from the constitution. Why don't you just admit it? And you have it exactly backwards. The amendments to the constitution are written to guarantee rights not to be continuously reinterpreted at your whim. It is amazing to me that for 200+ years, the right to bear arms was pretty clear, but now its ambiguous and capable of re-definition. The "living breathing document" isn't meant to redefine or take others rights away to give them to others. This mantra just ends up being a catch all for you left wingers to impress your political philosophy on the rest of us by bending the constitution to fit your whims. All citizens are equally protected under law. However, I don't think the government has the right to make you actively participate in a ceremony or activity that violates your religious convictions. There is a difference between refusing service and active participation.

How is refusing to participate in a wedding ceremony imposing your beliefs on others? They can still get married. They can still find someone to bake their wedding cake, cater their event or provide flowers. They are not making the gays convert to Christianity. It's quite the other way around. You guys are forcing your belief system on others and forcing active participation. Tolerance is a one way street.

Let's face it. This has nothing to do with aggrievement or gays getting married, etc. This has everything to do with an activist gay community shoving their gay agenda down everyone's throat. There were others willing to cater, provide flowers and bake a cake for the gay wedding participants. However, they sought out Christians to persecute and prosecute for their "intolerance" for trying to hold to their Christian values (in their mind).

Why could they not voice their concern in the local media or boycott the establishment? No, we obviously need government taking away more rights with legislation. I am sure gays will hunt out Muslim and Amish shops to persecute next, because everyone must conform.
 
You can have your world where right is wrong and the wrong are right ! Go to Baltimore and help the poor downtrodden bust some cops heads! that should bring a smile to your face.
 
Bone, we're you alive and aware in the 60s, the 70s? You're channeling the doomsayers of that era perfectly!

And for the record, while working at Georgia College, I gave over $1,200. to the LBGT scholarship fund to make them feel more welcome and inclusive on campus. I have no personal problem with gay weddings or the gay lifestyle. However, I do have issues with the way this is being handled. This smacks of intolerance and religious persecution.
 
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