Look up Allen West speech in New York about the iran deal

[1966septemberdawg]

He tears obama, kerry a new one and calls them out for the cowards they are.That is what a real leader, and a real man sounds like!

http://therightscoop.com/allen-west...literates-obama-in-fiery-times-square-speech/

 

[whitepug6]

He tears obama, kerry a new one and calls them out for the cowards they are.That is what a real leader, and a real man sounds like!

http://therightscoop.com/allen-west...literates-obama-in-fiery-times-square-speech/

A real leader does not let soldiers under his command beat a detainee.

A real leader does not order soldiers under his command to put the detainee's head in a sand-filled barrel ordinarily used for clearing weapons. A real leader does not fire his weapon into the barrel.

A real leader is not relieved of his command by his division commander.

A real leader is not judged a failure and a disgrace by the United States Army.

A real leader is not forced to retire in order to avoid facing a court-martial on two felony counts.

But if Allen West is your idea of what a real leader is, and what a real man sounds like, that says a lot about you.

 

[Thenumber34]

A real leader does not let soldiers under his command beat a detainee.

A real leader does not order soldiers under his command to put the detainee's head in a sand-filled barrel ordinarily used for clearing weapons. A real leader does not fire his weapon into the barrel.

A real leader is not relieved of his command by his division commander.

A real leader is not judged a failure and a disgrace by the United States Army.

A real leader is not forced to retire in order to avoid facing a court-martial on two felony counts.

But if Allen West is your idea of what a real leader is, and what a real man sounds like, that says a lot about you.

You're an A-hole and a true p*ssy....here's the story on the Iraqi incident;

Iraq interrogation incident Edit
While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a plot to ambush his unit. The alleged plot involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, an Iraqi police officer. West had his men detain Hamoodi.[19] Soldiers testified that in the process of detaining Hamoodi, he appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[19] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 2/20th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[20] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[19] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[19] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[19] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[19]

West was charged with violating Articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[20] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[19] Lieutenant Colonel West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[20] At his hearing, West said that there were no ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post a month later.[20] After West's retirement he received more than 2,000 letters and e-mails offering him moral support.[19] A letter supporting West was signed by 95 members of Congress and sent to the Secretary of the Army.[19]

And now I ask you...you smug-assed punk....what have you done?

 

[shonuff253]

You're an A-hole and a true p*ssy....here's the story on the Iraqi incident;

Iraq interrogation incident Edit
While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a plot to ambush his unit. The alleged plot involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, an Iraqi police officer. West had his men detain Hamoodi.[19] Soldiers testified that in the process of detaining Hamoodi, he appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[19] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 2/20th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[20] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[19] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[19] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[19] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[19]

West was charged with violating Articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[20] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[19] Lieutenant Colonel West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[20] At his hearing, West said that there were no ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post a month later.[20] After West's retirement he received more than 2,000 letters and e-mails offering him moral support.[19] A letter supporting West was signed by 95 members of Congress and sent to the Secretary of the Army.[19]

And now I ask you...you smug-assed punk....what have you done?

Did you even read the article???????? It says in black and white that he had his troops detain and beat the Iraqi police officer. Then he tortures the poor soul by firing his weapon next to his head to give up FALSE intel given under duress. It plainly says that no weapons or plot to attack American soliders was found to be underway. West admits "it's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi". How in the heck are you using this article to defend West. West should be in Leavenworth for his actions. You can not have commanding officers willing disobeying LOAC. If he can follow the rules and regulations put forward before him then he sure as heck can lead soldiers into combat.

 

[Thenumber34]

Did you even read the article???????? It says in black and white that he had his troops detain and beat the Iraqi police officer. Then he tortures the poor soul by firing his weapon next to his head to give up FALSE intel given under duress. It plainly says that no weapons or plot to attack American soliders was found to be underway. West admits "it's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi". How in the heck are you using this article to defend West. West should be in Leavenworth for his actions. You can not have commanding officers willing disobeying LOAC. If he can follow the rules and regulations put forward before him then he sure as heck can lead soldiers into combat.

Hell yes I read it, and he said he would carry a gasoline can through hell to save his soldiers. He made a decision to act that he thought would save lives, and his command in Iraq DID save lives.

I suppose you think the beheading of innocent folks and the use of IED's are acts of heroism.

Code red all of those sons of bitches I say if it's going to save lives.

 

[shonuff253]

Hell yes I read it, and he said he would carry a gasoline can through hell to save his soldiers. He made a decision to act that he thought would save lives, and his command in Iraq DID save lives.

I suppose you think the beheading of innocent folks and the use of IED's are acts of heroism.

Code red all of those sons of bitches I say if it's going to save lives.

Good intentions makes not a good leader. Give me someone that would carry a gasoline can through hell to save his soldiers and lead by example any day. Not some hot head POS that would put his own ego above the lives of his solders.

 

[Thenumber34]

Good intentions makes not a good leader. Give me someone that would carry a gasoline can through hell to save his soldiers and lead by example any day. Not some hot head POS that would put his own ego above the lives of his solders.

POS? I guess it takes one to know one.

 

[shonuff253]

POS? I guess it takes one to know one.

No I've just worked with a lot of shirty commanders. All had good intentions but had moral or personal defects. West is a perfect time example of this. A true leader would have apologized for his mistake and to his soldiers for endangering their career. Has West ever done that, doubtful because his ego wouldn't let him.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

A real leader does not let soldiers under his command beat a detainee.

A real leader does not order soldiers under his command to put the detainee's head in a sand-filled barrel ordinarily used for clearing weapons. A real leader does not fire his weapon into the barrel.

A real leader is not relieved of his command by his division commander.

A real leader is not judged a failure and a disgrace by the United States Army.

A real leader is not forced to retire in order to avoid facing a court-martial on two felony counts.

But if Allen West is your idea of what a real leader is, and what a real man sounds like, that says a lot about you.

You are damn right he is a true leader. I will take him over your leader any day.
A real leader does not succumb to political correctness on the battlefield. The politicians make the rules of warfare from their thrones in D.C. far from the danger. These rules not only endanger our soldiers, but embolden the enemy by tying our soldiers hands in combat while the enemy can use whatever method they choose.. Mr. West broke the rules in a situation he saw fit to use such action to win.
He is a hero, period! let our politicians send their sons unto battle with the restrictions our soldiers are facing and things would change for sure.

 

[StoneColdKillerDawg]

A real leader does not let soldiers under his command beat a detainee.

A real leader does not order soldiers under his command to put the detainee's head in a sand-filled barrel ordinarily used for clearing weapons. A real leader does not fire his weapon into the barrel.

A real leader is not relieved of his command by his division commander.

A real leader is not judged a failure and a disgrace by the United States Army.

A real leader is not forced to retire in order to avoid facing a court-martial on two felony counts.

But if Allen West is your idea of what a real leader is, and what a real man sounds like, that says a lot about you.

Is that the same as those class act, harbingers of peace and all things righteous Union generals that allowed those under their command to loot and burn civilian homes during the Civil War? Just wanting to clarify...

 

[kdsdawg]

West's military service has nothing to do with that speech on the Iran deal. He hit the nail on the head.

 

[Thenumber34]

Sherman and his men were looters and rapists.

Allen West neither looted or raped........he was trying to extract information from the enemy in an effort to save the lives of American soldiers.

We were not in Iraq in an effort to be imperialists........unlike the Union army.

 

[shonuff253]

Sherman and his men were looters and rapists.

Allen West neither looted or raped........he was trying to extract information from the enemy in an effort to save the lives of American soldiers.

We were not in Iraq in an effort to be imperialists........unlike the Union army.

But the dude he was trying to extract information from wasn't the enemy. He's half heartedly admitted to that. That's why he was nearly court martialed and forced to retire. He tortured an innocent man

 

[Thenumber34]

But the dude he was trying to extract information from wasn't the enemy. He's half heartedly admitted to that. That's why he was nearly court martialed and forced to retire. He tortured an innocent man

He thought he was the enemy at the time, and in that environment, it was tough as hell to tell just who was the enemy.

My little brother fought in Desert Storm, and he's told me that no one could be trusted that wasn't in an American uniform.

One of my buddies was recently shot in an incident in Afganistan by a supposed 'friendly'. He was the only one shot who wasn't killed. 3 of the others in his group died. The mother-f'er walked right into the airport hanger where my buddy and 4 others were doing security for the airplane mechanics and unloaded.

 

[jenkinscreekdawg]

Good intentions makes not a good leader. Give me someone that would carry a gasoline can through hell to save his soldiers and lead by example any day. Not some hot head POS that would put his own ego above the lives of his solders.

you sound like a " drugstore quarterback ", you REALLY don't know what happened . your political bias is showing .

 

[shonuff253]

you sound like a " drugstore quarterback ", you REALLY don't know what happened . your political bias is showing .

No "drugstore quarterbacking" just the facts. Dude aint no war hero

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s.../glenn-beck-says-allen-west-modern-day-ronin/

 

[shonuff253]

He thought he was the enemy at the time, and in that environment, it was tough as hell to tell just who was the enemy.

My little brother fought in Desert Storm, and he's told me that no one could be trusted that wasn't in an American uniform.

One of my buddies was recently shot in an incident in Afganistan by a supposed 'friendly'. He was the only one shot who wasn't killed. 3 of the others in his group died. The mother-f'er walked right into the airport hanger where my buddy and 4 others were doing security for the airplane mechanics and unloaded.

I was there as well twice working along side Iraqi and Afghan Air Force personnel and yeah it scares the shit out of you being around them but each soldier, sailor, airmen and marine must follow LOAC or Law or war. What West did was wrong and illegal no matter the situation. Makes it even worse when the guy he tortured was innocent.

 

[Thenumber34]

I was there as well twice working along side Iraqi and Afghan Air Force personnel and yeah it scares the shit out of you being around them but each soldier, sailor, airmen and marine must follow LOAC or Law or war. What West did was wrong and illegal no matter the situation. Makes it even worse when the guy he tortured was innocent.

Law of war? You think those towel-heads repect our 'law of war'? This isn't WWII....these barbarians don't play by those rules, and if they don't, by God we shouldn't either.

We won the Revolutionary War with gorilla tactics. These tactics broke the 'laws of war' for that time.

 

[StoneColdKillerDawg]

Law of war? You think those towel-heads repect our 'law of war'? This isn't WWII....these barbarians don't play by those rules, and if they don't, by God we shouldn't either.

We won the Revolutionary War with gorilla tactics. These tactics broke the 'laws of war' for that time.

Agreed - the "rules of engagement" do nothing more than put our troops in harms way. It's war - not a damn game of go fish. There's no place for rules in combat.

 

[shonuff253]

Agreed - the "rules of engagement" do nothing more than put our troops in harms way. It's war - not a damn game of go fish. There's no place for rules in combat.

Wrong that's what makes us better then them.

 

[StoneColdKillerDawg]

Wrong that's what makes us better then them.

No, that's what makes our casualty numbers go up. It ain't a beauty pageant - it's a war. The only thing that matters is accomplishing the objectives and winning - by any means necessary. I bet your one of those folks that thinks there are rules to fighting too. Following rules - whether they be for fighting or war - are a sure fire way to drastically increase your chances of receiving an ass whoopin

 

[Thenumber34]

No, that's what makes our casualty numbers go up. It ain't a beauty pageant - it's a war. The only thing that matters is accomplishing the objectives and winning - by any means necessary. I bet your one of those folks that thinks there are rules to fighting too. Following rules - whether they be for fighting or war - are a sure fire way to drastically increase your chances of receiving an ass whoopin

Well stated!

 

[shonuff253]

No, that's what makes our casualty numbers go up. It ain't a beauty pageant - it's a war. The only thing that matters is accomplishing the objectives and winning - by any means necessary. I bet your one of those folks that thinks there are rules to fighting too. Following rules - whether they be for fighting or war - are a sure fire way to drastically increase your chances of receiving an ass whoopin

Wrong! Are you even aware of what LOAC or the Rules of War are? You won't find a single American military commander that thinks they cause American deaths. Please look them up and tell me which one you disagree with?

 

[StoneColdKillerDawg]

Wrong! Are you even aware of what LOAC or the Rules of War are? You won't find a single American military commander that thinks they cause American deaths. Please look them up and tell me which one you disagree with?

I'll give you an example a the "eye in the sky" gave my friend's unit the stand down order after the shitbag they were pursuing entered a building. Why? Because they "lost line of sight". This same shitbag had just opened fire killing 2 Marines. When he appeared on the other side of the building he was unarmed and they where again told to stand down, leaving said shitbag to continue his assault another day. You see, Blackwater, Triple Canopy, etc. don't have these handcuffs. My Marine buddies love going out on support duty for the contractors because there are no rules - just complete the mission by any means necessary.

 

[shonuff253]

I'll give you an example a the "eye in the sky" gave my friend's unit the stand down order after the shitbag they were pursuing entered a building. Why? Because they "lost line of sight". This same shitbag had just opened fire killing 2 Marines. When he appeared on the other side of the building he was unarmed and they where again told to stand down, leaving said shitbag to continue his assault another day. You see, Blackwater, Triple Canopy, etc. don't have these handcuffs. My Marine buddies love going out on support duty for the contractors because there are no rules - just complete the mission by any means necessary.

I'm sorry I'm having a hard time find how that story pertains to LOAC. What article of war caused them to stand down? None. That was a command decision not LOAC. Your buddies should of had a word with their CO for making that call but that wasn't LOAC.

Here is a good link LOAC articles and what they mean

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/loac.htm

 

[StoneColdKillerDawg]

I'm sorry I'm having a hard time find how that story pertains to LOAC. What article of war caused them to stand down? None. That was a command decision not LOAC. Your buddies should of had a word with their CO for making that call but that wasn't LOAC.

Here is a good link LOAC articles and what they mean

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/loac.htm

Rules of engagement and LOAC are separate discussions

 

[shonuff253]

Rules of engagement and LOAC are separate discussions

I'll agree with that. Now if you want to say some ROE cause American lives I'll agree with you there. ROEs are just dumb and handcuff our guys. But LOAC is different and that's where I'm saying West stepped over the line.

 

[Thenumber34]

I'm sorry I'm having a hard time find how that story pertains to LOAC. What article of war caused them to stand down? None. That was a command decision not LOAC. Your buddies should of had a word with their CO for making that call but that wasn't LOAC.

Here is a good link LOAC articles and what they mean

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/loac.htm

Necessity, Distinction, Proportionality.....how much of that do you think ISIS and Al Qaeda understand and recognize?

Again, they're not fighting a 'civilized war'....they are not a civilized people. All they desire is to strike fear and cause death at any cost.

 

[jcddawg]

But the dude he was trying to extract information from wasn't the enemy. He's half heartedly admitted to that. That's why he was nearly court martialed and forced to retire. He tortured an innocent man

Am your judgement under fire would be 100% correct. You are so full of it I am surprised you can even see to type

 

[mansfielddawg]

But the dude he was trying to extract information from wasn't the enemy. He's half heartedly admitted to that. That's why he was nearly court martialed and forced to retire. He tortured an innocent man

..and war is hell!

 

[oletex]

Quit arguing with this shonuff. I doubt he served a day. If he did he was a clerk. A commander takes care of his soldiers and they know he will and does and that is the guy they will follow to the end of the mission. Without question. I know, I was once a young follower. We were the good guys but war is unforgiving and in the middle east lying, cheating and backstabbing is standard procedure. In fact the people there lose respect for you and think you are weak if you don't do all the above because they surely are. They understand and respect one thing, power.

 

[whitepug6]

You're an A-hole and a true p*ssy....here's the story on the Iraqi incident;

Iraq interrogation incident Edit
While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a plot to ambush his unit. The alleged plot involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, an Iraqi police officer. West had his men detain Hamoodi.[19] Soldiers testified that in the process of detaining Hamoodi, he appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[19] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 2/20th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[20] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[19] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[19] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[19] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[19]

West was charged with violating Articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[20] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[19] Lieutenant Colonel West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[20] At his hearing, West said that there were no ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post a month later.[20] After West's retirement he received more than 2,000 letters and e-mails offering him moral support.[19] A letter supporting West was signed by 95 members of Congress and sent to the Secretary of the Army.[19]

And now I ask you...you smug-assed punk....what have you done?

Thanks for asking. This smug-assed punk pussy retired from the US Army as an O-5 after serving more than 20 years on active duty. I have led an airborne infantry platoon, commanded an airborne infantry company, served as a staff officer at the company, battalion, and division level, and commanded an infantry battalion. I have a CIB and a Senior Parachutist Badge with 1 Combat Jump Device. I participated in Operation Urgent Fury, Operation Desert Shield, Operation Desert Storm, and Operation Enduring Freedom.

I know Allen West personally. I first became acquainted with him when we were both in the 325th AIR in the mid-1980s, and I got to know him very well when we were classmates at CGSC at Ft. Leavenworth in 1997. Someone earlier in this topic referred to West as a hothead, and I would somewhat agree with that statement. I certainly felt then that he exhibited a pattern of poor judgement and a lack of self-control with respect to his statements and actions.

 

[kdsdawg]

Thanks for asking. This smug-assed punk pussy retired from the US Army as an O-5 after serving more than 20 years on active duty. I have led an airborne infantry platoon, commanded an airborne infantry company, served as a staff officer at the company, battalion, and division level, and commanded an infantry battalion. I have a CIB and a Senior Parachutist Badge with 1 Combat Jump Device. I participated in Operation Urgent Fury, Operation Desert Shield, Operation Desert Storm, and Operation Enduring Freedom.

I know Allen West personally. I first became acquainted with him when we were both in the 325th AIR in the mid-1980s, and I got to know him very well when we were classmates at CGSC at Ft. Leavenworth in 1997. Someone earlier in this topic referred to West as a hothead, and I would somewhat agree with that statement. I certainly felt then that he exhibited a pattern of poor judgement and a lack of self-control with respect to his statements and actions.

and yet none of what you or shonuff have typed has anything at all to do with Allen West nailing his speech. Every word truth.

 

[Thenumber34]

Thanks for asking. This smug-assed punk pussy retired from the US Army as an O-5 after serving more than 20 years on active duty. I have led an airborne infantry platoon, commanded an airborne infantry company, served as a staff officer at the company, battalion, and division level, and commanded an infantry battalion. I have a CIB and a Senior Parachutist Badge with 1 Combat Jump Device. I participated in Operation Urgent Fury, Operation Desert Shield, Operation Desert Storm, and Operation Enduring Freedom.

I know Allen West personally. I first became acquainted with him when we were both in the 325th AIR in the mid-1980s, and I got to know him very well when we were classmates at CGSC at Ft. Leavenworth in 1997. Someone earlier in this topic referred to West as a hothead, and I would somewhat agree with that statement. I certainly felt then that he exhibited a pattern of poor judgement and a lack of self-control with respect to his statements and actions.

I appreciate your service and have one last mission for you. That is to jump out of an airplane one last time....but this time without the parachute.

 

[Lewis & Herschel]

I want Allen West on that wall because we need allen west on that wall....some of you pansies just can't handle the truth.

It's war, I don't care how many of them have to go to save one of ours. Piss on them.

We basically have another Neville Chamberlain in our highest office.

 

[whitepug6]

and yet none of what you or shonuff have typed has anything at all to do with Allen West nailing his speech. Every word truth.

West has been on record saying that eighty members of Congress are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA. He's as dangerous to this country as his spiritual predecessor, Joe McCarthy. It wouldn't matter what I said to refute West, he said it, you believe it, that settles it..."Every word truth."

 

[whitepug6]

I want Allen West on that wall because we need allen west on that wall....some of you pansies just can't handle the truth.

It's war, I don't care how many of them have to go to save one of ours. Piss on them.

We basically have another Neville Chamberlain in our highest office.

Good comparison. Colonel Jessup ended up a disgraced officer and arrested for acting outside the law.

Even in times of war, we are a nation of laws, and our military operates under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. You sound like a sociopath.

BTW, I have linked the US Army CID investigation report for that Real American Hero, Allen West. If it is too TL;DR for you low information types, let me sum it up for you: West confessed his guilt.http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/105_167.pdf

 

[whitepug6]

Necessity, Distinction, Proportionality.....how much of that do you think ISIS and Al Qaeda understand and recognize?

Again, they're not fighting a 'civilized war'....they are not a civilized people. All they desire is to strike fear and cause death at any cost.

Regardless of what you think and believe, the United States is a nation of laws and the military operates under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The US Army must also observe the UN Anti-Torture Convention of 1988, signed by...your hero, Ronald Reagan. You see? Even the right wingnuts get things right once in a while!

 

[whitepug6]

Quit arguing with this shonuff. I doubt he served a day. If he did he was a clerk. A commander takes care of his soldiers and they know he will and does and that is the guy they will follow to the end of the mission. Without question. I know, I was once a young follower. We were the good guys but war is unforgiving and in the middle east lying, cheating and backstabbing is standard procedure. In fact the people there lose respect for you and think you are weak if you don't do all the above because they surely are. They understand and respect one thing, power.

A commander should care of his soldiers, but he also has an obligation under the Uniform Code of Military Justice to give lawful orders to his troops. West did not take care of the soldiers under his command who he ordered to beat the detainee and hold him over the clearing barrel. Because of West's actions, those soldiers suffered Article 15 disciplinary action.

I urge anyone who feels the way you do to take a college course in Middle Eastern history. You might learn something.

 

[kdsdawg]

West has been on record saying that eighty members of Congress are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA. He's as dangerous to this country as his spiritual predecessor, Joe McCarthy. It wouldn't matter what I said to refute West, he said it, you believe it, that settles it..."Every word truth."

I didn't say I believe everything he said, but in this case he is dead on the money. After all, this thread is about a particular speech, not Allen West's military service or anything else he has said or written. He could say he believes in aliens and little green men and it doesn't make a difference to me. Stay on the subject.