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As we await the publication of all the impending indictments of former President Donald Trump by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Americans are trying to figure out what constitutes an indictable offense for current and retired public officials.
Most legal experts, Left and Right, have noted:
1) Bragg promised in advance that he would try to find a way to indict Trump. His prior boasts are reminiscent of Stalin’s secret police enforcer Lavrentiy Beria’s quip, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” Nancy Pelosi gave the game away, when in her dotage, she muttered that Trump had a right to prove his innocence as if he is presumed guilty.
2) No former president has ever been indicted—and for good reason. Such prosecutions would be viewed as persecutions and render all former presidents veritable targets of every publicity-hungry and politically hostile local, state, or federal prosecutor. They would reduce the presidency to Third World norms. Gratuitously prosecuting former presidents would become a political tool to harm the opposing political party or to tarnish the legacy of a former president.
3) Trump is currently ahead in the polls for the Republican nomination to face Democratic incumbent Biden. And in head-to-head matchups, he outpolls Biden. For a prosecutor of the same party as the current president facing reelection to seek to destroy the viability of a likely opponent is a first in U.S. history. But again, it is now in accordance with Third World norms.
4) At least two left-leaning federal and state prosecutors previously have passed on the same evidence Bragg is now using for his indictments. They have explained that such a prosecution is infeasible because of statutes of limitations, because of a state attorney improperly appropriating the role of a federal prosecutor, and because non-disclosures agreements are a fact of life and not strictly illegal.
5) Bragg’s chief witness Michael Cohen is a felon and confessed liar, with a deep personal hatred of Donald Trump—a fact well known to all potential prosecutors.
6) The current indictment follows a long line of historic harassment of Trump, including the first incidence of two impeachments of a sitting president, the first impeachment trial of a president as a private citizen, and the first FBI armed raid of a retired president’s home, the first instance of an FBI director leaking confidential presidential conversations to the media for the purpose of appointing a special counsel to remove a president.
Such asymmetry also raises questions about the equal application of our laws as they apply to all our other officials, current and out-of-office.
Or, to put it another way: what crime did Trump not do that others did with either impunity or without being arrested? Here is a sample of 20.
1) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by destroying federally subpoenaed emails and devices in order to hide evidence.
2) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by sending classified government communications on her own, through an unsecured home-brewed server.
3) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by hiring—through three paywalls—a foreign national, who is prohibited from working on presidential campaigns, to compile a dossier to smear her presidential opponent.
4) Trump did not violate federal campaign laws, as did Hillary Clinton, by hiding her payments (as “legal services”) to Christopher Steele through bookkeeping deceptions.
5) Trump did not, as did Bill Clinton, use a crony to search out a high-paying New York job for a paramour in order to influence her testimony before a special counsel.
6) Trump did not, as did Bill Clinton, receive a $500,000 “honorarium” for speaking in Moscow while his wife, our secretary of state, approved a longstanding and lucrative desire of the Kremlin for North American uranium to be sold to a Russian consortium.
7) Trump did not, as did Barack Obama, promise Vladimir Putin that he would be “flexible” on “missile defense” if during his own reelection bid Putin in return would give him “space”. That quid pro quo arrangement led to the U.S. abandonment of key joint missile defense systems with Poland and the Czech Republic, and, reciprocally, less than two years later a Russia invasion, mostly unopposed by the United States, of eastern Ukraine and the Crimea.
8) Trump did not boast publicly, as did Joe Biden, that he used U.S. foreign aid monies as leverage to have the Ukrainian government fire a prosecutor who may have been looking into the Biden family’s efforts to sell influence to corrupt Ukrainian interests.
9) Trump did not, as the Bidens did, set up a family consortium to leverage monies from Ukraine, Russia, and China, on their shared expectations that he might soon run for and be elected president and become compromised. Trump is not mentioned, as is Joe Biden, in family business communications as a recipient of a 10 percent commission on such payoffs.
10) Trump did not, unlike Joe Biden, remove presidential papers—without any authority to declassify them—and leave them scattered and unsecured in a garage and various residences and offices.
11) Trump did not, as did the FBI, wipe clean subpoenaed mobile phone records.
12) Trump did not, as did interim FBI head Andrew McCabe, admittedly lie under oath on four occasions to federal investigators.
13) Trump did not, as did CIA Director John Brennan, admittedly lie on two occasions while under oath to the U.S. Congress.
14) Trump did not, as did Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, admittedly lie on one occasion to the U.S. Congress.
15) Trump did not, as did James Comey, claim amnesia or ignorance 245 times while under oath before the U.S. Congress.
16) Trump did not, as did FBI Director James Comey, summarize a confidential private conversation with a president and then deliberately leak that classified memo to the media for his own agenda of appointing a special counsel to investigate the president—which turned out to be his friend Robert Mueller.
17) Trump did not, as did Robert Mueller, claim ignorance while under oath when asked about the Steele dossier and Fusion GPS, the catalysts for Mueller’s own investigation.
18) Trump did not, as did private citizen and former secretary of state John Kerry, meet clandestinely while out of office with Iranian officials to help them resist current U.S. policy toward Iran—or what the Boston Globe characterized as “unusual shadow diplomacy” to “apply pressure on the Trump administration from the outside.”
19) Trump did not, as did the FBI and CIA, pay clandestine money to Twitter to monitor and smother news stories deemed unhelpful to their agendas.
20) Trump did not, as did then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, whip up a mob at the doors of the Supreme Court by threatening two sitting justices by name to intimidate them concerning an impending judicial ruling: “I want to tell you Gorsuch, I want to tell you Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you.”
In subsequent months, mobs of protestors swarmed the private homes of these two named justices to influence their decisions, a federal crime that was ignored by Attorney General Merrick Garland, but not by a self-confessed, potential assassin of Justice Brett Kavanaugh who later turned up in the neighborhood.
What are we to make of these radical disparate applications of laws and protocols? The Left repeatedly breaks laws and long-held customs with impunity by weaponizing federal offices and bureaus, whether defined in the legal sphere by mostly exempting 120 days of mass rioting, looting, arson, mayhem, and lethal violence in the summer of 2020, or procedurally by denying the House minority leader the right to nominate his party members to committees, or ceremonially having the speaker of the House tear up the presidential State-of-the-Union Address on national television.
By any fair application of past tradition and the law, Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas should be impeached for their deliberate efforts to subvert U.S. immigration law for political purposes. By any just measure, Joe Biden should be the target of a special counsel’s investigation to ascertain how and why the Biden family received hidden funds from foreign governments and whether Biden himself paid taxes on such large sums.
It is the revolutionary Left that attacks institutions deemed unhelpful for its current political agenda—one that rarely warrants 50 percent public approval—whether that effort is defined by threats of ending the filibuster, scrapping the Electoral College, adding two more states, packing the court, or radically changing balloting laws and customs to turn elections into a 70 percent no-show of voters on Election Day.
All of the above is predicated on a simple premise: Were the opposition to match tit-for-tat these Democratic means, then the republic would quickly descend into a spiral of illegality and chaos analogous to what ended the late Roman Republic. That fact is well known to the new hard-left Democratic Party. So it has assumed the role of the spoiled teen who feels he has a blank check of lawless behavior that his parents would not dare emulate, given that for adults to do so would destroy the family.
In other words, the Left is saying to America something along the following lines, “We are so morally superior to you that we can and must employ any means necessary to achieve our unpopular political ends. But you cannot respond in kind or deter us by mimicking our own tactics, because should both parties do so, the resulting disorder would undermine the republic. And that is something you won’t dare do.”
 
Good arguments. The real crime is what Trump did while trying to overturn the election in Georgia and that is where the legal focus should be.
 
Good arguments. The real crime is what Trump did while trying to overturn the election in Georgia and that is where the legal focus should be.
It's not against the law for a politician to twist a few arms when questioning the results of an election, especially when rules put into place to prevent election fraud are not followed. If this is a crime, then we must file charges against every politician who's twisted an arm or two during their career.
 
It's not against the law for a politician to twist a few arms when questioning the results of an election, especially when rules put into place to prevent election fraud are not followed. If this is a crime, then we must file charges against every politician who's twisted an arm or two during their career.
Give me one example where a powerful politician, such as a President, Senator, or Governor has gotten on the phone and demanded election officials to go find as many votes as it takes to win.

You might dismiss that kind of thing, but to me that is a subversion of the democracy that my ancestors have died trying to protect.
 
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Give me one example where a powerful politician, such as a President, Senator, or Governor has gotten on the phone and demanded election officials to go find as many votes as it takes to win.

You might dismiss that kind of thing, but to me that is a subversion of the democracy that my ancestors have died trying to protect.
What law was broken on that phone call?
 
Give me one example where a powerful politician, such as a President, Senator, or Governor has gotten on the phone and demanded election officials to go find as many votes as it takes to win.

You might dismiss that kind of thing, but to me that is a subversion of the democracy that my ancestors have died trying to protect.
Al Gore ring a bell
 
Al Gore ring a bell
Yep, it's apparently blasphemy for Trumpers to think 2020 was rigged but Dems still believe Al Gore, Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams were all rightful winners of elections. And I seem to remember Dems trying to break into court houses trying to affect the process of certifying the results in FL. And all this excuses every action VDH described but not Trump.
 
Give me one example where a powerful politician, such as a President, Senator, or Governor has gotten on the phone and demanded election officials to go find as many votes as it takes to win.

You might dismiss that kind of thing, but to me that is a subversion of the democracy that my ancestors have died trying to protect.
What law did Trump break?

You give me an example of a time in our history when Governors, Secretaries of State, and election officials worked together to change election rules before, during, and after a Presidential election, which is violation of the United States Constitution.

These violations of the United States Constitution occurred in several States, including Georgia.

All Trump did was expose the corruption and shine the light of everlasting truth and transparency upon Georgia officials who conspired to change rules put into place to prevent fraud which in itself is a circumvention of Democracy.
 
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As we await the publication of all the impending indictments of former President Donald Trump by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Americans are trying to figure out what constitutes an indictable offense for current and retired public officials.
Most legal experts, Left and Right, have noted:
1) Bragg promised in advance that he would try to find a way to indict Trump. His prior boasts are reminiscent of Stalin’s secret police enforcer Lavrentiy Beria’s quip, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” Nancy Pelosi gave the game away, when in her dotage, she muttered that Trump had a right to prove his innocence as if he is presumed guilty.
2) No former president has ever been indicted—and for good reason. Such prosecutions would be viewed as persecutions and render all former presidents veritable targets of every publicity-hungry and politically hostile local, state, or federal prosecutor. They would reduce the presidency to Third World norms. Gratuitously prosecuting former presidents would become a political tool to harm the opposing political party or to tarnish the legacy of a former president.
3) Trump is currently ahead in the polls for the Republican nomination to face Democratic incumbent Biden. And in head-to-head matchups, he outpolls Biden. For a prosecutor of the same party as the current president facing reelection to seek to destroy the viability of a likely opponent is a first in U.S. history. But again, it is now in accordance with Third World norms.
4) At least two left-leaning federal and state prosecutors previously have passed on the same evidence Bragg is now using for his indictments. They have explained that such a prosecution is infeasible because of statutes of limitations, because of a state attorney improperly appropriating the role of a federal prosecutor, and because non-disclosures agreements are a fact of life and not strictly illegal.
5) Bragg’s chief witness Michael Cohen is a felon and confessed liar, with a deep personal hatred of Donald Trump—a fact well known to all potential prosecutors.
6) The current indictment follows a long line of historic harassment of Trump, including the first incidence of two impeachments of a sitting president, the first impeachment trial of a president as a private citizen, and the first FBI armed raid of a retired president’s home, the first instance of an FBI director leaking confidential presidential conversations to the media for the purpose of appointing a special counsel to remove a president.
Such asymmetry also raises questions about the equal application of our laws as they apply to all our other officials, current and out-of-office.
Or, to put it another way: what crime did Trump not do that others did with either impunity or without being arrested? Here is a sample of 20.
1) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by destroying federally subpoenaed emails and devices in order to hide evidence.
2) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by sending classified government communications on her own, through an unsecured home-brewed server.
3) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by hiring—through three paywalls—a foreign national, who is prohibited from working on presidential campaigns, to compile a dossier to smear her presidential opponent.
4) Trump did not violate federal campaign laws, as did Hillary Clinton, by hiding her payments (as “legal services”) to Christopher Steele through bookkeeping deceptions.
5) Trump did not, as did Bill Clinton, use a crony to search out a high-paying New York job for a paramour in order to influence her testimony before a special counsel.
6) Trump did not, as did Bill Clinton, receive a $500,000 “honorarium” for speaking in Moscow while his wife, our secretary of state, approved a longstanding and lucrative desire of the Kremlin for North American uranium to be sold to a Russian consortium.
7) Trump did not, as did Barack Obama, promise Vladimir Putin that he would be “flexible” on “missile defense” if during his own reelection bid Putin in return would give him “space”. That quid pro quo arrangement led to the U.S. abandonment of key joint missile defense systems with Poland and the Czech Republic, and, reciprocally, less than two years later a Russia invasion, mostly unopposed by the United States, of eastern Ukraine and the Crimea.
8) Trump did not boast publicly, as did Joe Biden, that he used U.S. foreign aid monies as leverage to have the Ukrainian government fire a prosecutor who may have been looking into the Biden family’s efforts to sell influence to corrupt Ukrainian interests.
9) Trump did not, as the Bidens did, set up a family consortium to leverage monies from Ukraine, Russia, and China, on their shared expectations that he might soon run for and be elected president and become compromised. Trump is not mentioned, as is Joe Biden, in family business communications as a recipient of a 10 percent commission on such payoffs.
10) Trump did not, unlike Joe Biden, remove presidential papers—without any authority to declassify them—and leave them scattered and unsecured in a garage and various residences and offices.
11) Trump did not, as did the FBI, wipe clean subpoenaed mobile phone records.
12) Trump did not, as did interim FBI head Andrew McCabe, admittedly lie under oath on four occasions to federal investigators.
13) Trump did not, as did CIA Director John Brennan, admittedly lie on two occasions while under oath to the U.S. Congress.
14) Trump did not, as did Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, admittedly lie on one occasion to the U.S. Congress.
15) Trump did not, as did James Comey, claim amnesia or ignorance 245 times while under oath before the U.S. Congress.
16) Trump did not, as did FBI Director James Comey, summarize a confidential private conversation with a president and then deliberately leak that classified memo to the media for his own agenda of appointing a special counsel to investigate the president—which turned out to be his friend Robert Mueller.
17) Trump did not, as did Robert Mueller, claim ignorance while under oath when asked about the Steele dossier and Fusion GPS, the catalysts for Mueller’s own investigation.
18) Trump did not, as did private citizen and former secretary of state John Kerry, meet clandestinely while out of office with Iranian officials to help them resist current U.S. policy toward Iran—or what the Boston Globe characterized as “unusual shadow diplomacy” to “apply pressure on the Trump administration from the outside.”
19) Trump did not, as did the FBI and CIA, pay clandestine money to Twitter to monitor and smother news stories deemed unhelpful to their agendas.
20) Trump did not, as did then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, whip up a mob at the doors of the Supreme Court by threatening two sitting justices by name to intimidate them concerning an impending judicial ruling: “I want to tell you Gorsuch, I want to tell you Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you.”
In subsequent months, mobs of protestors swarmed the private homes of these two named justices to influence their decisions, a federal crime that was ignored by Attorney General Merrick Garland, but not by a self-confessed, potential assassin of Justice Brett Kavanaugh who later turned up in the neighborhood.
What are we to make of these radical disparate applications of laws and protocols? The Left repeatedly breaks laws and long-held customs with impunity by weaponizing federal offices and bureaus, whether defined in the legal sphere by mostly exempting 120 days of mass rioting, looting, arson, mayhem, and lethal violence in the summer of 2020, or procedurally by denying the House minority leader the right to nominate his party members to committees, or ceremonially having the speaker of the House tear up the presidential State-of-the-Union Address on national television.
By any fair application of past tradition and the law, Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas should be impeached for their deliberate efforts to subvert U.S. immigration law for political purposes. By any just measure, Joe Biden should be the target of a special counsel’s investigation to ascertain how and why the Biden family received hidden funds from foreign governments and whether Biden himself paid taxes on such large sums.
It is the revolutionary Left that attacks institutions deemed unhelpful for its current political agenda—one that rarely warrants 50 percent public approval—whether that effort is defined by threats of ending the filibuster, scrapping the Electoral College, adding two more states, packing the court, or radically changing balloting laws and customs to turn elections into a 70 percent no-show of voters on Election Day.
All of the above is predicated on a simple premise: Were the opposition to match tit-for-tat these Democratic means, then the republic would quickly descend into a spiral of illegality and chaos analogous to what ended the late Roman Republic. That fact is well known to the new hard-left Democratic Party. So it has assumed the role of the spoiled teen who feels he has a blank check of lawless behavior that his parents would not dare emulate, given that for adults to do so would destroy the family.
In other words, the Left is saying to America something along the following lines, “We are so morally superior to you that we can and must employ any means necessary to achieve our unpopular political ends. But you cannot respond in kind or deter us by mimicking our own tactics, because should both parties do so, the resulting disorder would undermine the republic. And that is something you won’t dare do.”
Got any Cliff Notes? Jesus. Quit reading a para 2.

Bottom Line: Lying Donnies' indictment now all comes down to evidence and testimony at trial. Either Bragg has the goods or he doesn't. Pretty straightforward. Makes absolutely no matter what has gone on previously or whatever statements have been made by anyone. It's really a simple system.
 
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Got any Cliff Notes? Jesus. Quit reading a para 2.

Bottom Line: Lying Donnies' indictment now all comes down to evidence and testimony at trial. Either Bragg has the goods or he doesn't. Pretty straightforward. Makes absolutely no matter what has gone on previously or whatever statements have been made by anyone. It's really a simple system.
Stay in the Vent Ray Ray
 
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Got any Cliff Notes? Jesus. Quit reading a para 2.

Bottom Line: Lying Donnies' indictment now all comes down to evidence and testimony at trial. Either Bragg has the goods or he doesn't. Pretty straightforward. Makes absolutely no matter what has gone on previously or whatever statements have been made by anyone. It's really a simple system.
I don’t blame you. Not a good read for you.
 
It's not against the law for a politician to twist a few arms when questioning the results of an election, especially when rules put into place to prevent election fraud are not followed. If this is a crime, then we must file charges against every politician who's twisted an arm or two during their career.
You hit the nail on the head.
 
Yep, it's apparently blasphemy for Trumpers to think 2020 was rigged but Dems still believe Al Gore, Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams were all rightful winners of elections. And I seem to remember Dems trying to break into court houses trying to affect the process of certifying the results in FL. And all this excuses every action VDH described but not Trump.
Yes, the Democrats are pathetic crybabies too when they lose elections However, the worst anyone of them has done was Gore asking for a Supreme Court ruling and then afterwards he conceded. Only one has challenged the results without concession and created lie after lie about the election process. That is why I voted for Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, and Trump once, but will never vote for Trump again. It will be third party for me if he is the nominee.
 
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Yes, the Democrats are pathetic crybabies too when they lose elections However, the worst anyone of them has done was Gore asking for a Supreme Court ruling and then afterwards he conceded. Only one has challenged the results without concession and created lie after lie about the election process. That is why I voted for Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, and Trump once, but will never vote for Trump again. It will be third party for me if he is the nominee.

I would suggest that many of the things on VDH's list are much worse than Trumps fantastical crimes. Trump was the target of unlawful election interference in 2016 by a team of Hillary sycophants. The results of the work of this team (which included paying a foreign national to produce a slanderous report) was then taken by the head of the FBI and used to obtain a warrant in a secret court designed as a tool to fight terrorism in order to spy on the campaign and later the office of the POTUS. The head of the FBI would then send operatives in to place mines in order to sabotage the incoming POTUS as well as smear Lt. General Mike Flynn to have him removed from the admin. The head of the FBI would then memorialize conversations with the sitting POTUS (100% classified information) and leak his interpretation of the conversations to justify an illegitimate spec prosecutor investigation that the acting AG would approve with very few limitation on the scope of the investigation.

After the election, Dems completely denied the results, Hillary repeatedly went on TV to call the election stolen, Dem mobs rioted in the streets of DC, wore pussy hats, dreamed of blowing up the WH and attacked the WH grounds but were stopped by security (hum). And if this wasn't enough, a former Sec State when on a rogue diplomacy mission and actively undermined the foreign policy objective of the sitting admin, 2 former heads of national security divisions that held active security clearances were on cable new multiple times per week telling salacious lies about the direction of the illegal investigations, and then we had another 51 former security experts lie in order to cover up REAL misdeeds committed by the opposition candidate in the 2020 campaign.

So, believe what you will about Dominion, the security of mailed ballots, observers being kick out of precincts only to have counting resumed. We had multiple seditious acts committed by Dems throughout the Trump presidency. We had multiple instances of Dems calling for violence against Trump admin officials and we even had the Senate majority leader call out 2 SCOTUS justices BY NAME with threats of violence and everything above happened and is established fact. But hey, throw your vote away if the Pub you don't like is nominated and get the government you deserve all the while telling yourself it's the fault of the Pubs that have voted for the garbage the establishment has nominated for decades.
 
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Yes, the Democrats are pathetic crybabies too when they lose elections However, the worst anyone of them has done was Gore asking for a Supreme Court ruling and then afterwards he conceded. Only one has challenged the results without concession and created lie after lie about the election process. That is why I voted for Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, and Trump once, but will never vote for Trump again. It will be third party for me if he is the nominee.
 
Give me one example where a powerful politician, such as a President, Senator, or Governor has gotten on the phone and demanded election officials to go find as many votes as it takes to win.

You might dismiss that kind of thing, but to me that is a subversion of the democracy that my ancestors have died trying to protect.
Yes, that phone call was cringeworthy and most likely illegal. HOWEVER, we must admit a much, much brighter light of condescending indignation has regularly been shone on the hated (primarily because he prefers throwing the BS flag at the feet of DC’s self anointed elite aka world class narcissists (political & news) instead of groveling at their godlike feet.

Smug condescension over any idea or phrase they’ve not claimed as their own enlightenment as they lock step in shouting down any dissent as deplorable & uneducated with pinkie finger raised, of course, is what we’re all fed as “what you need to know” almost exclusively 24-7.

This ^^^ is the problem. The attitude. This is the reason Trump became a political consideration. Not about Trump the person nor his pragmatic followers. This political phenomenon (greatest gift ever to traditional news & entertainment media) is NOT about Trump, the rich jerk. This creation is all about the phenomenon, the bogeyman we the peeps cannot live without. We suck at choosing political leadership All of us. Why? Because we alternately treat politics as a spectator sport and/or as a beauty/personality contest. Until we learn how to hold ALL of our elected officials responsible and accountable for their job description & performance of that job, they (no political operative above minimum wage) will ever take us seriously.
 
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Got any Cliff Notes? Jesus. Quit reading a para 2.

Bottom Line: Lying Donnies' indictment now all comes down to evidence and testimony at trial. Either Bragg has the goods or he doesn't. Pretty straightforward. Makes absolutely no matter what has gone on previously or whatever statements have been made by anyone. It's really a simple system.
Admit it you can't read big words! Try Dr. Suess "Green eggs and Ham" you may have to read it a few times before you grasp the plot. It has pretty pictures though.
 
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Give me one example where a powerful politician, such as a President, Senator, or Governor has gotten on the phone and demanded election officials to go find as many votes as it takes to win.

You might dismiss that kind of thing, but to me that is a subversion of the democracy that my ancestors have died trying to protect.
The "problem" with Trump is that he is and always will be an outsider. He kicked in the front door of the Washington establishment and peeved too many people, particularly career politicians on both sides of the aisle and the elite donor classes that pay the bills.

Toss in the fact that he's a thorn in the side of those Wall Street over lords and other financial speculators whose ONLY focus in life is maximizing their returns, usually by avoiding paying their fair share of taxes and in some cases while dependent upon the slave labor of the Chinese people living under the bootheels of the Chinese Communist Party.

These are individuals who want the working/middle classes to carry ALL the burden with increased inflation, higher gas prices at the pump, higher taxes, and lower wages in the manufacturing sectors. These are people who want us to look the other way while our Southern borders are being overrun with cheap labor, and who cares if we allow a few hundred thousand or even a couple of million thugs cross our border including rapists, murderers, and drug mules...

Trump came along and gave the middle finger to these people, and that's why the "deplorables" love him and it's also why Heaven and Earth are being moved to silence him...

61% of Americans are presently living paycheck to paycheck under this ridiculous, Biden regime and they are fed up...
 
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The "problem" with Trump is that he is and always will be an outsider. He kicked in the front door of the Washington establishment and peeved too many people, particularly career politicians on both sides of the aisle and the elite donor classes that pay the bills.

Toss in the fact that he's a thorn in the side of those Wall Street over lords and other financial speculators whose ONLY focus in life is maximizing their returns, usually by avoiding paying their fair share of taxes and in some cases while dependent upon the slave labor of the Chinese people living under the bootheel of the Chinese Communist Party.

These are individuals who want the working/middle classes to carry ALL the burden with increased inflation, higher gas prices at the pump, higher taxes, and lower wages in the manufacturing sectors. These are people who want us to look the other way while our Southern borders are being overrun with cheap labor, and who cares if we allow a few hundred thousand or even a couple of million thugs cross our border including rapists, murderers, and drug mules...

Trump came along and gave the middle finger to these people, and that's why the "deplorables" love him and it's also why Heaven and Earth are being moved to silence him...
Pretty much. “Elite” DC inner circle types are NOT the trusting, “common” man’s friends. Not since the law profession (business & politics) achieved that influential majority in DC levels of government.

Nothing personal, but the percentage of our “ruling class” represented by lawyers is @ 75% or more. Realistic & reasonable Term limits for all and a 50% cap on the legal profession percentage in power positions would increase overall trust in functional & practical government to all time highs.
 
Pretty much. “Elite” DC inner circle types are NOT the trusting, “common” man’s friends. Not since the law profession (business & politics) achieved that influential majority in DC levels of government.

Nothing personal, but the percentage of our “ruling class” represented by lawyers is @ 75% or more. Realistic & reasonable Term limits for all and a 50% cap on the legal profession percentage in power positions would increase overall trust in functional & practical government to all time highs.
mandatory retirement age for congress members would be a good step as well
 
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He broke no
That has been documented ad nauseum. If you cannot see it now, you really have blinders on.
Trump did not break any laws. If he did, then lock up Stacey Abrams, Hilary Clinton, and Al "Father of the Information Superhighway" Gore because they questioned outcomes of elections too.
 
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He broke no

Trump did not break any laws. If he did, then lock up Stacey Abrams, Hilary Clinton, and Al "Father of the Information Superhighway" Gore because they questioned outcomes of elections too.
Whining about it on CNN and the View is alot different than scheming to arrange fake electors and seize voting machines. They were pathetic, but Trump and his goons are criminals.
 
Whining about it on CNN and the View is alot different than scheming to arrange fake electors and seize voting machines. They were pathetic, but Trump and his goons are criminals.
I've had to go back and edit my response because as I get older I have to remind myself to be nicer. I think it's the best advice I've ever taken from myself...

You claimed over and over that he broke the law, I proved to you that he didn't, and you are the one who won't stop whining...

Just one question. Are you a member of the working or middle classes? If that answer is YES, then why do you hate someone who is willing to go to bat for you and stand in the breach against those individuals who absolutely HATE you and want you to have NO say in how you are governed?
 
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