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“Free and fair election”

Thats all Trump is asking for. Nothing wrong with that. The Dems are trying to make that a horrible statement by Trump. Hillary said Biden “shouldn’t concede under any circumstances”. Now there’s a problem with that statement

No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
Why the **** would he come out and say he would concede? Biden is being encouraged to not concede under any circumstances. The Obama plan in 16’ wasn’t a peaceful transfer of power. Thank god the Russia hoax failed. Everyone with a sliver of common sense knows this election is going beyond Nov 3rd. Why? Because the Dems have changed the rules to provide their deranged base some hope.
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
Liberals do not care about the integrity of the election. Hell most of you would be fine if the election was decided by a Facebook poll. The USPS has been inefficient for decades. Why should anyone trust mail-in voting?


 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
Biden gonna concede? Dems encouraging mail in ballots to cheat? Dems don't play by the rules so phuck em.
 
Why the **** would he come out and say he would concede? Biden is being encouraged to not concede under any circumstances. The Obama plan in 16’ wasn’t a peaceful transfer of power. Thank god the Russia hoax failed. Everyone with a sliver of common sense knows this election is going beyond Nov 3rd. Why? Because the Dems have changed the rules to provide their deranged base some hope.

Trump doesn't need Biden to concede. Whenever he is declared the winner of the election, he just continues his presidency.

But please explain where the Dems have changed what rules.
 
Liberals do not care about the integrity of the election. Hell most of you would be fine if the election was decided by a Facebook poll. The USPS has been inefficient for decades. Why should anyone trust mail-in voting?



Your first two sentences are just asinine and have no basis.

Inefficient, to whatever degree it's true, doesn't translate to trust for mail-in voting. And with Trump's man now in charge, the on time delivery has decreased more than a slight degree.

So you have just said nothing about trying to have a free and fair election.
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
Ah.. the Dems are the ones trying do weaponize the usps. You like most dems have warped thinking. I really don’t think dems are capable or interpreting reality these days.
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
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No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
Trump has not said he’ll refuse a peaceful transition. Your twisting words. Show me where. He’s rightfully concerned with the exact thing reported in Gregg County Texas today. But that’s just a little isolated incident right ? Wtf can’t people simply ask for a ballet or carry there ass to the poll. This mass mailing is total bullshit asking for trouble and you know it.
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.

reality is it isn’t Trump causing the unrest. It’s your socialist party in full effect.
 
Trump has not said he’ll refuse a peaceful transition. Your twisting words. Show me where. He’s rightfully concerned with the exact thing reported in Gregg County Texas today. But that’s just a little isolated incident right ? Wtf can’t people simply ask for a ballet or carry there ass to the poll. This mass mailing is total bullshit asking for trouble and you know it.
I said Trump is refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power, my exact words. You are the one twisting words. Unbelievable. Actually, not coming from you. As you asked.


 
reality is it isn’t Trump causing the unrest. It’s your socialist party in full effect.

Excuse me, but I don't have a socialist party so I don't know WTF you are talking about. As I've said dozen of times, I have never belonged to a political party and you can keep them all. So I am certainly not responsible for any unrest any more than you. And you seem to be another one blind to Trump. If he gets the Peace Prize it won't be for something he did in the US.
 
Excuse me, but I don't have a socialist party so I don't know WTF you are talking about. As I've said dozen of times, I have never belonged to a political party and you can keep them all. So I am certainly not responsible for any unrest any more than you. And you seem to be another one blind to Trump. If he gets the Peace Prize it won't be for something he did in the US.
4 more years bruhhhhh...
 
Your first two sentences are just asinine and have no basis.

Inefficient, to whatever degree it's true, doesn't translate to trust for mail-in voting. And with Trump's man now in charge, the on time delivery has decreased more than a slight degree.

So you have just said nothing about trying to have a free and fair election.
You did not provide any argument why we should trust mail-in voting. What evidence do you have that the USPS delivery time has decreased to a significant degree? If delivery rates have decreased what evidence do you have as to the cause of the decrease?

I’ve clearly stated my concern for a fair election. There is a serious lack of controls over mail-in voting. Hell I linked a video of a postal worker dumping mail and another article where mail-in ballots were found in a ditch. It’s easy for anyone with critical thinking skills to see that there are more controls over voting in-person and absentee voting than mail-in voting. Also, I’m sure you’ve argued against requiring IDs to vote. Requiring IDs help ensure the integrity of the election. The left calls this voter suppression, which is complete bullshit.
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.

The popular vote has nothing to do with it.

Unless you want the Atlanta School Board to run the state school system. Unless you want the politicians running Hartsfield Jackson telling you how to run your company.

Unless you want New York and California calling all the shots nationally. Yep, that is a real winner there. Kinda leaves those other states flailing in the wind. Our founding fathers got it right. We have the single most fair system of government in the world. It’s being corrupted by all parties, but the system is golden.

If we change the system, the mob will rule and we lose freedoms. That is why we do it the right way.

Ahhhhhhhh, no need for all of that.

Hope you are well. Glad to see football season upon us. Raise a cup of coffee Saturday morning and think about friends. I will raise one for you, the major and crew, in the morning.

Pardon my babbling my friend. Enjoy your weekend!
 
I said Trump is refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power, my exact words. You are the one twisting words. Unbelievable. Actually, not coming from you. As you asked.


Those are 2 reputable and un-biased sources you are presenting there Comrad...LMAO No wonder your brain is a bowl of mush...
 
You did not provide any argument why we should trust mail-in voting. What evidence do you have that the USPS delivery time has decreased to a significant degree? If delivery rates have decreased what evidence do you have as to the cause of the decrease?

I’ve clearly stated my concern for a fair election. There is a serious lack of controls over mail-in voting. Hell I linked a video of a postal worker dumping mail and another article where mail-in ballots were found in a ditch. It’s easy for anyone with critical thinking skills to see that there are more controls over voting in-person and absentee voting than mail-in voting. Also, I’m sure you’ve argued against requiring IDs to vote. Requiring IDs help ensure the integrity of the election. The left calls this voter suppression, which is complete bullshit.

Opened ballots also found in a trash can in Pa. ,all were Trump votes !!! Give people the chance and they will cheat !! Demorats are counting on this , that is why they want total mail voting ! I don't care what party you support , this will destroy our democracy !!!!!!
 
You did not provide any argument why we should trust mail-in voting. What evidence do you have that the USPS delivery time has decreased to a significant degree? If delivery rates have decreased what evidence do you have as to the cause of the decrease?

I’ve clearly stated my concern for a fair election. There is a serious lack of controls over mail-in voting. Hell I linked a video of a postal worker dumping mail and another article where mail-in ballots were found in a ditch. It’s easy for anyone with critical thinking skills to see that there are more controls over voting in-person and absentee voting than mail-in voting. Also, I’m sure you’ve argued against requiring IDs to vote. Requiring IDs help ensure the integrity of the election. The left calls this voter suppression, which is complete bullshit.

So you try and insult me and then want me to answer your question. There has been voting fraud, but it's basicaly local. The Texas arrests were for a party primary. The FBI hasn't found any evidence regarding national elections.


Here's one article. The on time delivery is usually over 90% and has dropped closer to 80% as indicated in the article. Reasons for the decrease are also explained in the article. I won't bother with how many people did not get their medicine on time, etc. but it's more than an issue of late delivery. And people like Rubio want to decrease the time to count absentee ballots to make things worse. Remember Trump said that Florida was okay.

Please show me where there is a serious lack of controls. The postal worker dumping mail doesn't indicate that controls aren't in place. I definitely haven't even mentioned anything about IDs. Just more of your bullshit is what it is. The right must call for lying and exaggeration I guess since Trump is a great practioner.
 
The popular vote has nothing to do with it.

Unless you want the Atlanta School Board to run the state school system. Unless you want the politicians running Hartsfield Jackson telling you how to run your company.

Unless you want New York and California calling all the shots nationally. Yep, that is a real winner there. Kinda leaves those other states flailing in the wind. Our founding fathers got it right. We have the single most fair system of government in the world. It’s being corrupted by all parties, but the system is golden.

If we change the system, the mob will rule and we lose freedoms. That is why we do it the right way.

Ahhhhhhhh, no need for all of that.

Hope you are well. Glad to see football season upon us. Raise a cup of coffee Saturday morning and think about friends. I will raise one for you, the major and crew, in the morning.

Pardon my babbling my friend. Enjoy your weekend!

Yes, glad that football season for UGA is finally here.

As I said I wasn't arguing against the electoral system. It's been around a lot longer than either one of us.

I only mentioned the popular vote in reference to Trump not accepting results. If you're talking about the "system" being the electoral college no change is required. He won the election and was going to assume the Presidency, but didn't like losing the popular vote. Well it seems like we're right back there and there are various efforts going on to try and change things - from both major parties. But as the Major would say, I digress.

Good health to you also and we can do a virtual toast of coffee in the morning.
 
Those are 2 reputable and un-biased sources you are presenting there Comrad...LMAO No wonder your brain is a bowl of mush...

Can you post anything without an insult?

I know Trump is not a reputable source, but those are his words so what does it matter where it came from. With you it seems like the source is a problem. It's a poor excuse for not trying to learn the truth, but maybe you can make an effort.
 
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Can you post anything without an insult?

I know Trump is not a reputable source, but those are his words so what does it matter where it came from. With you it seems like the source is a problem. It's a poor excuse for not trying to learn the truth, but maybe you can make an effort.
Voter Fraud has gone on in this country long before Trump...and one party is most responsible...This I KNOW...you continue to quote articles from Left Wing Media outlets as basis for your Facts and reasoning....Carry on with your Crusade...it really makes you look bad and gullible...
 
Voter Fraud has gone on in this country long before Trump...and one party is most responsible...This I KNOW...you continue to quote articles from Left Wing Media outlets as basis for your Facts and reasoning....Carry on with your Crusade...it really makes you look bad and gullible...

So I'm gullible listening to what comes out of Trump's mouth. I'm only gullible for wasting time listening to him and maybe you.

You really don't understand that it doesn't matter where something is quoted from. I don't repeat the comments made by the media. But if they post a study and a link or post something the President said - it's a fact.

I don't need a media outlet to say something bad about Trump. I'm very capable of reviewing what he has done and making that statement myself. I'm hoping you are just obstinate and not really that dumb.
 
So I'm gullible listening to what comes out of Trump's mouth. I'm only gullible for wasting time listening to him and maybe you.

You really don't understand that it doesn't matter where something is quoted from. I don't repeat the comments made by the media. But if they post a study and a link or post something the President said - it's a fact.

I don't need a media outlet to say something bad about Trump. I'm very capable of reviewing what he has done and making that statement myself. I'm hoping you are just obstinate and not really that dumb.
You are a arrogant Elitist...Calling me dumb...."If the meda posts a study or link..its Fact".. What color is the Sky in your Universe ?? You hate Trump...its painfully obvious. no one can reason with you or dissuade you of your opinion....I am done debating with you....Ignored till after the election and if you have the Guts to show up....it will be miserable for you. Remember this ..Opinions are like Ass Holes...everybody has one...and some people ARE one....you need to look in the mirror.....Bye...
 
Yes, you are dumb if you think it matters where something is reported. If Trump says something which was one of the quotes, then he said it no matter where you hear it or read it.

Yes, so I think Trump is a terrible choice to be President; we're allowed to have opinions.

And like so many, since you don't have a good argument for something you duck and run. I'll miss you if I don't see you. I don't plan on being miserable no matter who wins the election. My life isn't going to revolve around that. I only came to the Chat to discuss issues pertaining to COVID, but kept finding assholes like you.
 
So you try and insult me and then want me to answer your question. There has been voting fraud, but it's basicaly local. The Texas arrests were for a party primary. The FBI hasn't found any evidence regarding national elections.


Here's one article. The on time delivery is usually over 90% and has dropped closer to 80% as indicated in the article. Reasons for the decrease are also explained in the article. I won't bother with how many people did not get their medicine on time, etc. but it's more than an issue of late delivery. And people like Rubio want to decrease the time to count absentee ballots to make things worse. Remember Trump said that Florida was okay.

Please show me where there is a serious lack of controls. The postal worker dumping mail doesn't indicate that controls aren't in place. I definitely haven't even mentioned anything about IDs. Just more of your bullshit is what it is. The right must call for lying and exaggeration I guess since Trump is a great practioner.
I and others have posted numerous articles showing issues with mail-in voting and fraud. Time and time again the response we get is that’s just an isolated incident and there’s no proof of widespread fraud. How widespread does it have to be before it’s an issue? You seem to have all the answers about how concerned we should be about COVID-19. What’s the magical number of instances of fraud or mail-in ballots being dumped in the trash or lost by other means until we’re allowed to have concern? I happen to know a thing or two about controls. Have you ever read the Yellow Book (Government Auditing Standards) or Green Book (Standards for Internal Control in the Federal Government)? If I were reviewing the election process and my objective was to determine whether the process had sufficient controls in place to ensure reliable results, the mail-in voting process would fail multiple standards detailed in both the Yellow and Green Book. The reason you have controls is not to play catch-up after there are widespread issues. The purpose of controls are to prevent widespread issues from occurring in the first place. All of the examples that we’ve been providing are to demonstrate just how easy fraud can occur or votes can be lost with mail-in voting. Why take that chance with our election?

As to the Washington Post article you linked, I’m not a subscriber, so I’m not able to see the reasons they provide for delayed mail service to determine if it’s just opinion or fact. The postal service, like most businesses, have had to implement numerous protocols as a result of COVID-19. It has not been business as usual; therefore, why should we expect delivery rates to be the same under unusual circumstances?

Lastly, so you say you’ve never mentioned voter ID requirements. Shall I take that as you support requiring IDs to vote? Good:)
 
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I and others have posted numerous articles showing issues with mail-in voting and fraud. Time and time again the response we get is that’s just an isolated incident and there’s no proof of widespread fraud. How widespread does it have to be before it’s an issue? You seem to have all the answers about how concerned we should be about COVID-19. What’s the magical number of instances of fraud or mail-in ballots being dumped in the trash or lost by other means until we’re allowed to have concern? I happen to know a thing or two about controls. Have you ever read the Yellow Book (Government Auditing Standards) or Green Book (Standards for Internal Control in the Federal Government)? If I were reviewing the election process and my objective was to determine whether the process had sufficient controls in place to ensure reliable results, the mail-in voting process would fail multiple standards detailed in both the Yellow and Green Book. The reason you have controls is not to play catch-up after there are widespread issues. The purpose of controls are to prevent there from ever being widespread issues. All of the examples that we’ve been providing are to demonstrate just how easy fraud can occur or votes can be lost with mail-in voting. Why take that chance with our election?

As to the Washington Post article you linked, I’m not a subscriber, so I’m not able to see the reasons they provide for delayed mail service to determine if it’s just opinion or fact. The postal service, just as other businesses, have had to implement numerous protocols as a result of COVID-19. It has not been business as usual; therefore, why should we expect delivery rates to be the same under unusual circumstances?

Lastly, so you say you’ve never mentioned voter ID requirements. Shall I take that as you support requiring IDs to vote? Good:)
No, I haven't read those books. You seem to be saying the controls aren't working, so whose responsibility is that and why isn't being fixed. A serious question.

I'm sorry you automatically question whether it's opinion or fact. I quoted the fact about the drop, it's not an opinion. I can't do it right now but I will cut and paste the part about the reason.

I have always had to show an ID when I voted in person which is appropriate. I voted by mail this year, so obviously an ID isn't required. I guess they have to depend on matching the signature.
 
@Spe77 From the linked article:
A month after taking charge of the U.S. Postal Service, DeJoy implemented stricter dispatch schedules on transport trucks that forced workers to leave mail behind and prohibited extra mail trips, leading to well-documented bottlenecks. Managers under him also cracked down on overtime, which postal workers commonly rely on to complete routes, though DeJoy has denied having a role in those cutbacks.
The report portrays an agency whose leadership was barely prepared to implement the new policies, did not anticipate the upheaval they might cause and is still trying to find its balance as the November election draws near and millions of people continue to experience longer wait times for their mail and packages.
Before the changes, the Postal Service routinely delivered more than 90 percent of the nation’s first-class mail on time, according to an analysis of USPS data by the office of Sen. Gary Peters (Mich.), the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Two weeks later, on-time delivery rates hovered near 83 percent, ensnaring prescription medications, benefits checks and ballots in midterm elections.
On-time rates continued to deteriorate, the report said, falling to 85.3 percent the week of July 11, 82.2 percent the week of July 18, 83.6 percent the week of July 25, 82.8 percent the week of Aug. 1 and 81.5 percent the week of Aug. 8. And in crucial regions that could decide the November election, on-time rates fell 20.4 percentage points in northern Ohio, 19.1 percentage points in Detroit and 17.9 percentage points in central Pennsylvania.


“The results of my investigation clearly show that Postmaster General DeJoy’s carelessly instituted operational changes to the Postal Service resulted in severe service impacts that harmed the lives and livelihoods of Michiganders and Americans,” Peters said in a statement. “I have repeatedly made it clear to Mr. DeJoy that his actions have had consequences for many of my constituents and people across the nation. My report shows his decisions were reckless and caused significant harm to the American people.”



DeJoy suspended some of his cost-cutting maneuvers, including the removal of high-speed mail-sorting machines and public collection boxes, until after the election but said that sorters and mailboxes already taken offline would not be replaced. He left in place his orders on transportation schedules — the most controversial changes — that postal workers and independent experts say are causing the most problems.

Peters’s report recommends that DeJoy reverse his policy directives, including the transportation schedule, and that the USPS commit to treating election mail with first-class privilege, as it has in past years. It also urged Congress to pass the Delivering for America Act, which would prohibit the agency from implementing operating changes that would affect delivery standards until the end of the coronavirus pandemic. That bill passed the Democratic-controlled House last month but has not been taken up by the GOP-run Senate.
DeJoy “failed to conduct any meaningful analysis about how his planned changes could affect customers,” the report said. John Barger, a Republican member of the Postal Service’s governing board, testified last week before Peters’s committee that DeJoy did not inform the board of the changes he was considering and that the Postal Service for a month and a half refused to provide lawmakers any records of the decision-making process driving those policies.
As lawmakers began asking questions about mail service delays, the agency denied enacting any large-scale operational changes, insisting instead that DeJoy was “reemphasizing existing operational plans,” according to a July 22 letter to Peters from USPS General Counsel Thomas J. Marshall.

When David E. Williams, the agency’s chief logistics and processing operations officer, briefed the committee on the initiatives on Aug. 31, the meeting included a single slide on the policies, according to the report. Williams told the panel that the Postal Service was “expecting a service bump” simply because on time “should mean better service” and that the mail service did not use internal data to forecast improvements or declines in delivery times.
The report also contends DeJoy misinterpreted an inspector general’s study on transportation costs, then used that document as the underpinning of his directives. DeJoy, in Senate testimony last month, said the study found $4 billion in extra costs due to late and additional deliveries, and late dispatch times. But the inspector general’s report identifies only $550 million in potential cost savings.
“Postmaster General DeJoy’s changes appear to have been focused on cost-cutting based on an inflated estimate, and at a high cost to the American people in terms of delays,” Peters’s report said.

Those delays appeared especially pronounced in prescription medications, according to another Senate report published last week by Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Robert P. Casey Jr. (D-Pa.). Four prescription drug providers told Warren and Casey that delivery times this summer have increased by half a day or more, on average, compared with earlier this year or similar time frames in 2019, according to the report. Deliveries that might typically take two or three days were instead taking three to four, the lawmakers said, and one pharmacy in particular saw a “marked increase” in the number of shipping delays of seven or more days.
First-class mail delivery rates recovered some ground in the final week of August, up to 85 percent, but three of the Postal Service’s seven geographic areas could not sustain those gains. On-time rates in the Southern, Western and Capital Metro areas, which include parts of 30 states, all dropped in the first week of September.
Tony Romm contributed to this report.
Updated September 18, 2020

Yes, COVID obviously has had an effect on the USPS, which made it the worst time to try and make changes. The USPS is a Service to the American people and while improvements should be made, it is not a normal business. The finances are really different and charges for employee benefits have been a problem. Not that changes can't be made, but it doesn't seem to be well thought out (yes, that's an opinion).
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
Trump has NEVER said that. You have gone off the deep end now. Just stop it.
 
Trump has NEVER said that. You have gone off the deep end now. Just stop it.

Trump has never said what? That he is refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power. Check my post #12 ITT.
 
I and others have posted numerous articles showing issues with mail-in voting and fraud. Time and time again the response we get is that’s just an isolated incident and there’s no proof of widespread fraud. How widespread does it have to be before it’s an issue? You seem to have all the answers about how concerned we should be about COVID-19. What’s the magical number of instances of fraud or mail-in ballots being dumped in the trash or lost by other means until we’re allowed to have concern? I happen to know a thing or two about controls. Have you ever read the Yellow Book (Government Auditing Standards) or Green Book (Standards for Internal Control in the Federal Government)? If I were reviewing the election process and my objective was to determine whether the process had sufficient controls in place to ensure reliable results, the mail-in voting process would fail multiple standards detailed in both the Yellow and Green Book. The reason you have controls is not to play catch-up after there are widespread issues. The purpose of controls are to prevent there from ever being widespread issues. All of the examples that we’ve been providing are to demonstrate just how easy fraud can occur or votes can be lost with mail-in voting. Why take that chance with our election?

As to the Washington Post article you linked, I’m not a subscriber, so I’m not able to see the reasons they provide for delayed mail service to determine if it’s just opinion or fact. The postal service, just as other businesses, have had to implement numerous protocols as a result of COVID-19. It has not been business as usual; therefore, why should we expect delivery rates to be the same under unusual circumstances?

Lastly, so you say you’ve never mentioned voter ID requirements. Shall I take that as you support requiring IDs to vote? Good:)
4 more years bruhhhhh...


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@Spe77 From the linked article:
A month after taking charge of the U.S. Postal Service, DeJoy implemented stricter dispatch schedules on transport trucks that forced workers to leave mail behind and prohibited extra mail trips, leading to well-documented bottlenecks. Managers under him also cracked down on overtime, which postal workers commonly rely on to complete routes, though DeJoy has denied having a role in those cutbacks.
The report portrays an agency whose leadership was barely prepared to implement the new policies, did not anticipate the upheaval they might cause and is still trying to find its balance as the November election draws near and millions of people continue to experience longer wait times for their mail and packages.
Before the changes, the Postal Service routinely delivered more than 90 percent of the nation’s first-class mail on time, according to an analysis of USPS data by the office of Sen. Gary Peters (Mich.), the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Two weeks later, on-time delivery rates hovered near 83 percent, ensnaring prescription medications, benefits checks and ballots in midterm elections.
On-time rates continued to deteriorate, the report said, falling to 85.3 percent the week of July 11, 82.2 percent the week of July 18, 83.6 percent the week of July 25, 82.8 percent the week of Aug. 1 and 81.5 percent the week of Aug. 8. And in crucial regions that could decide the November election, on-time rates fell 20.4 percentage points in northern Ohio, 19.1 percentage points in Detroit and 17.9 percentage points in central Pennsylvania.


“The results of my investigation clearly show that Postmaster General DeJoy’s carelessly instituted operational changes to the Postal Service resulted in severe service impacts that harmed the lives and livelihoods of Michiganders and Americans,” Peters said in a statement. “I have repeatedly made it clear to Mr. DeJoy that his actions have had consequences for many of my constituents and people across the nation. My report shows his decisions were reckless and caused significant harm to the American people.”



DeJoy suspended some of his cost-cutting maneuvers, including the removal of high-speed mail-sorting machines and public collection boxes, until after the election but said that sorters and mailboxes already taken offline would not be replaced. He left in place his orders on transportation schedules — the most controversial changes — that postal workers and independent experts say are causing the most problems.

Peters’s report recommends that DeJoy reverse his policy directives, including the transportation schedule, and that the USPS commit to treating election mail with first-class privilege, as it has in past years. It also urged Congress to pass the Delivering for America Act, which would prohibit the agency from implementing operating changes that would affect delivery standards until the end of the coronavirus pandemic. That bill passed the Democratic-controlled House last month but has not been taken up by the GOP-run Senate.
DeJoy “failed to conduct any meaningful analysis about how his planned changes could affect customers,” the report said. John Barger, a Republican member of the Postal Service’s governing board, testified last week before Peters’s committee that DeJoy did not inform the board of the changes he was considering and that the Postal Service for a month and a half refused to provide lawmakers any records of the decision-making process driving those policies.
As lawmakers began asking questions about mail service delays, the agency denied enacting any large-scale operational changes, insisting instead that DeJoy was “reemphasizing existing operational plans,” according to a July 22 letter to Peters from USPS General Counsel Thomas J. Marshall.

When David E. Williams, the agency’s chief logistics and processing operations officer, briefed the committee on the initiatives on Aug. 31, the meeting included a single slide on the policies, according to the report. Williams told the panel that the Postal Service was “expecting a service bump” simply because on time “should mean better service” and that the mail service did not use internal data to forecast improvements or declines in delivery times.
The report also contends DeJoy misinterpreted an inspector general’s study on transportation costs, then used that document as the underpinning of his directives. DeJoy, in Senate testimony last month, said the study found $4 billion in extra costs due to late and additional deliveries, and late dispatch times. But the inspector general’s report identifies only $550 million in potential cost savings.
“Postmaster General DeJoy’s changes appear to have been focused on cost-cutting based on an inflated estimate, and at a high cost to the American people in terms of delays,” Peters’s report said.

Those delays appeared especially pronounced in prescription medications, according to another Senate report published last week by Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Robert P. Casey Jr. (D-Pa.). Four prescription drug providers told Warren and Casey that delivery times this summer have increased by half a day or more, on average, compared with earlier this year or similar time frames in 2019, according to the report. Deliveries that might typically take two or three days were instead taking three to four, the lawmakers said, and one pharmacy in particular saw a “marked increase” in the number of shipping delays of seven or more days.
First-class mail delivery rates recovered some ground in the final week of August, up to 85 percent, but three of the Postal Service’s seven geographic areas could not sustain those gains. On-time rates in the Southern, Western and Capital Metro areas, which include parts of 30 states, all dropped in the first week of September.
Tony Romm contributed to this report.
Updated September 18, 2020

Yes, COVID obviously has had an effect on the USPS, which made it the worst time to try and make changes. The USPS is a Service to the American people and while improvements should be made, it is not a normal business. The finances are really different and charges for employee benefits have been a problem. Not that changes can't be made, but it doesn't seem to be well thought out (yes, that's an opinion).
Ok. Since Elizabeth Warren is involved, it’s got to be solid data . Other than the one she reported at 82.6. I think it was actually 82.7. Bet that was a helluva undertaking to accumulate all of this very useful data. All Democrats involved in all reports so Certainly they’ve gone to great lengths to assure accuracy.
 
No he's not. He asking that somehow he wins. I'm not arguing against the electoral college, but even after winning he wouldn't accept that he lost by more than 2% of the popular vote. So Trump might try anything. He's trying to use the USPS in any way he can. I guarantee there will be further incidences before election day. He's going to court to try whatever he can do about voting through the mails.

What is the problem with not conceding? You know there are going to be court challenges and I wouldn't concede the race until everything is settled and it's not going to be November 3rd.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day. That's bullshit. But he has been causing unrest for a long time and done nothing to bring the country together.
Obama and Biden didn’t accept 2016. Neither did the entirety of the Dem Party. Still haven’t. And as far as uniting the country, Dems like Maxine Waters called for impeachment before he was even sworn in, and she (and others) voiced getting into the faces of GOPers and chasing them out of public places. Add in the daily barrage of hate from the MSM, and their support for the Marxist, anti-Semitic BLM, it’s hard to think anything you say is not dripping with hypocrisy.
 
Obama and Biden didn’t accept 2016. Neither did the entirety of the Dem Party. Still haven’t. And as far as uniting the country, Dems like Maxine Waters called for impeachment before he was even sworn in, and she (and others) voiced getting into the faces of GOPers and chasing them out of public places. Add in the daily barrage of hate from the MSM, and their support for the Marxist, anti-Semitic BLM, it’s hard to think anything you say is not dripping with hypocrisy.
Maybe you want to think about why some of those things might have happened. And how Trump has not risen above that.

But what do those things have to do with what I think. None of these things guide me.

My thinking is what I see from Trump and what comes out of his mouth. It's very simple if you are not blinded by something.
 
Maybe you want to think about why some of those things might have happened. And how Trump has not risen above that.

But what do those things have to do with what I think. None of these things guide me.

My thinking is what I see from Trump and what comes out of his mouth. It's very simple if you are not blinded by something.
My eyes are wide open. Saw him build the greatest economy ever, including best ever for blacks and Hispanics. I see Middle East peace unlike anything any other POTUS has accomplished. I see him pushing lower drug prices, border security and self reliance. I see him calling out Marxist, anti-Semitic orgs like BLM and Antifa for what they are. I see a POTUS who is harder on Russia, China and Iran than anyone since Reagan. If you don’t see this, and if all you care about are kind words, you’re blind and unrealistic.
 
Trump has not said he’ll refuse a peaceful transition. Your twisting words. Show me where. He’s rightfully concerned with the exact thing reported in Gregg County Texas today. But that’s just a little isolated incident right ? Wtf can’t people simply ask for a ballet or carry there ass to the poll. This mass mailing is total bullshit asking for trouble and you know it.

That’s why he so in favor of it. It gives his side, the ones that hate this country and want to see it die, a prime opportunity to cheat.
 
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My eyes are wide open. Saw him build the greatest economy ever, including best ever for blacks and Hispanics. I see Middle East peace unlike anything any other POTUS has accomplished. I see him pushing lower drug prices, border security and self reliance. I see him calling out Marxist, anti-Semitic orgs like BLM and Antifa for what they are. I see a POTUS who is harder on Russia, China and Iran than anyone since Reagan. If you don’t see this, and if all you care about are kind words, you’re blind and unrealistic.

Presidents, like coaches, get too much credit and too much blame for things. He didn't build the economy. It was going along pretty well. The tax cut helped the economy (remember the President can't cut taxes) and taxes are going to have to be raised at some point to pay for this year. And he didn't do it for the blacks and Hispanics, come on. A rising tide raises all boats and they benefited. But the economy is terrible now and they are suffering more than others because it's hitting lower paying jobs more than executives.

Middle East peace is always tenuous. I said that was good, but he has not helped bring peace to our Country. That's a lot more important to me than the Middle East.

I'm waiting for my drug prices to go down. He's helped close the borders but I haven't seen any solution to the illegal immigrants currently here. I don't think he has done a lot of good there. Those groups you mentioned are bad, but what's the big deal about calling them out. People do that here every day, but what has changed.

He promised money towards the Country's infrastructure and nothing has been done. It's going to be hard to find money for that. He said he was going to fix health insurance. There are a lot of problems there, but very little has been done. Sure health insurance costs more. It's been increasing every year for a while and we had a big problem with trying to cover people without insurance. I'm worried about what he might do, though again he doesn't get to make changes. Well he is trying to do things through Executive Order but his authority is questionable on some ideas. And don't get me started on this upcoming election.

No, I'm not blind and I don't think I'm being unrealistic (and don't care about kind words). We obviously look at some things differently and we're free to do that in this great country.
 
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