Another very good theory why COVID is up not named Delta...

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

Look at this map and the correlation between this time last year and this time this year.

The seasonality thing appears to be very, very important to understand this virus' behavior. That is so boring when you think COVID only spreads because you and I are selfish jackasses, but when the states with highest Delta prevalence (Wyoming and South Dakota) still have basically zero case growth something is going on other than the official "Delta plus unvaccinated is the only reason this is happening again!"

 

[dawgfood0612]

There was no vaccine in July 2020, which makes this comparison meaningless.

Covid hospitalizations in July 2021 are a factor of who is not getting vaccinated.

Not the same in 2020.

Looks like Big Daddy and good ole Eric are conveniently leaving that part out.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

There was no vaccine in July 2020, which makes this comparison meaningless.

Covid hospitalizations in July 2021 are a factor of who is not getting vaccinated.

Not the same in 2020.

Looks like Big Daddy and good ole Eric are conveniently leaving that part out.

I'm not vaccinated. Am I at risk? I survived covid before. What ate the numbers od heathens like me, prior covid survivors who haven't gotten vaxxed, prior covid survivors who have gotten 1 jab. Prior covid survivors who have gotten 2 jabs, VS non-former covid survivors who have not gotten the jab, got 1 jab, got 2 jabs, etc, and where are we on herd immunity? Even Fauci, who moves the goalposts daily, still believes in herd immunity. How about you? Can you put together a spreadsheet, please? We gotta be beyond 75-80% of jabbed and us survivors, right? I mean, that's beyond Fauci's worst case scenario of 70%.

If thats true, wtF are we doing here? Political volleyball.

 

[D Dawg]

I'm not vaccinated. Am I at risk? I survived covid before. What ate the numbers od heathens like me, prior covid survivors who haven't gotten vaxxed, prior covid survivors who have gotten 1 jab. Prior covid survivors who have gotten 2 jabs, VS non-former covid survivors who have not gotten the jab, got 1 jab, got 2 jabs, etc, and where are we on herd immunity? Even Fauci, who moves the goalposts daily, still believes in herd immunity. How about you? Can you put together a spreadsheet, please? We gotta be beyond 75-80% of jabbed and us survivors, right? I mean, that's beyond Fauci's worst case scenario of 70%.

If thats true, wtF are we doing here? Political volleyball.

I don’t see any way there isn’t at least 70% combining the vaccinated with the prior cases. In Georgia about 10% of the state has gotten a positive PCR test. There are a great number that were asymptotic and more that chose not to get a PCR test because they knew they had it based on taste and smell loss.

 

[Boom MFer Dawg]

Look at this map and the correlation between this time last year and this time this year.

The seasonality thing appears to be very, very important to understand this virus' behavior. That is so boring when you think COVID only spreads because you and I are selfish jackasses, but when the states with highest Delta prevalence (Wyoming and South Dakota) still have basically zero case growth something is going on other than the official "Delta plus unvaccinated is the only reason this is happening again!"

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BDDB, you’re trying way to hard!

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

I don’t see any way there isn’t at least 70% combining the vaccinated with the prior cases. In Georgia about 10% of the state has gotten a positive PCR test. There are a great number that were asymptotic and more that chose not to get a PCR test because they knew they had it based on taste and smell loss.

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The ONLY reason? Testing isn't what is being sold.

 

[Boom MFer Dawg]

Look at this map and the correlation between this time last year and this time this year.

The seasonality thing appears to be very, very important to understand this virus' behavior. That is so boring when you think COVID only spreads because you and I are selfish jackasses, but when the states with highest Delta prevalence (Wyoming and South Dakota) still have basically zero case growth something is going on other than the official "Delta plus unvaccinated is the only reason this is happening again!"

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This map is almost identical to the states with the fewest vaccinations in the US…seasonality????

 

[CalienteDawg]

Look at this map and the correlation between this time last year and this time this year.

The seasonality thing appears to be very, very important to understand this virus' behavior. That is so boring when you think COVID only spreads because you and I are selfish jackasses, but when the states with highest Delta prevalence (Wyoming and South Dakota) still have basically zero case growth something is going on other than the official "Delta plus unvaccinated is the only reason this is happening again!"

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What are you trying to prove?

Seasonality?
Vaccines?
Delta strain?
The stupidity of people that will like your post?

There are some possible legitimate arguments that you could achieve with this “data” but you are everywhere with your poo slinging with none sticking to the wall.

Don’t establish your conclusion and find data that supports it. Let the data get you there. You are grasping at straws right now…I’m very confident you and I both know why. (Hint….it’s the last graph I posted)

 

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

BDDB, you’re trying way to hard!

It's "too" hard.

 

[BigDaddyDawgBreath]

What are you trying to prove?

Seasonality?
Vaccines?
Delta strain?
The stupidity of people that will like your post?

There are some possible legitimate arguments that you could achieve with this “data” but you are everywhere with your poo slinging with none sticking to the wall.

Don’t establish your conclusion and find data that supports it. Let the data get you there. You are grasping at straws right now…I’m very confident you and I both know why. (Hint….it’s the last graph I posted)

Uh. To some degree not sure what to say because I am not sure what you are saying.

Let me try again slowly. The official theory is that cases are only up because of "Delta plus unvaccinated". Except:

1. Places with very high vaccination rates have seen some of the worst case increases.

2. Places (large places, as in vast regions) with very low vaccination rates have seen zero case increases.

Ergo. the official theory is horseshit. It cannot be true.

At the same time there is a strong correlation between increases last year at this time and this year at this time in the same parts of the country. Obviously that is seasonality.

You calling me guilty of the narrative fallacy is rich. I just cited (again) data that shows the official narrative is the one that doesn't fit reality, just like it hasn't time after time after time before in this:

1. "Neanderthals" for dropping masks, except the states that did saw case drops and the Northern states saw cases continue to rise. (Hint: seasonality)

2. "Holiday gatherings caused the winter spike" - which was demonstrable horseshit because 1/3rd of the country peaked *before* Thanksgiving. (Hint: seasonality).

3. Only lockdowns and masks controlled COVID - except there is no measurable difference in how states that did those things performed vs states that did not. (Hint: seasonality)

If you want to talk actual data, you will not end up supporting much of anything from the public health establishment except vaccines reducing hospitalization and death (but not case spread). That is one major thing they have gotten right to this point.

 

[elderdawg]

I'm not vaccinated. Am I at risk?

Your safe, especially with real immunity. And it appears the unvaxed might be "safer" than the vaxed.

From CDC data:
6-26-21 thru 7-9-21
Reported VAERS deaths- 4,006
Reported Covid19 deaths- 3,114

Sure, many of those VAERS deaths were primarily from health issues besides the vax. But also, as CDC has reported, a very small percentage of Covid deaths occur among healthy people. So the Covid death total is also driven mostly by folks with health issues,

 

[celticdawg]

Your safe, especially with real immunity. And it appears the unvaxed might be "safer" than the vaxed.

From CDC data:
6-26-21 thru 7-9-21
Reported VAERS deaths- 4,006
Reported Covid19 deaths- 3,114

Sure, many of those VAERS deaths were primarily from health issues besides the vax. But also, as CDC has reported, a very small percentage of Covid deaths occur among healthy people. So the Covid death total is also driven mostly by folks with health issues,

I'm curious where those stats come from. Per the linked CDC information below, the number of "reported" deaths from December 14, 2020 to July 19, 2021 only totaled 6,207. Also note their statement in bold, that the reported deaths don't necessarily mean the vaccine caused a health problem.

Why would it be safer to be unvaxed even if those stats were correct? If you are unvaxed you certainly can't die from the vaccine, but you sure can still die from COVID. You are taking two numbers which are not an apple to apple comparison.

 

[ugaboz]

There was no vaccine in July 2020, which makes this comparison meaningless.

Covid hospitalizations in July 2021 are a factor of who is not getting vaccinated.

Not the same in 2020.

Looks like Big Daddy and good ole Eric are conveniently leaving that part out.

you believe that dont you
you truly believe that the unvaxxed are the problem
what a joke
again why are vaxxed folks always getting tested?

 

[WyoDawg307]

you believe that dont you
you truly believe that the unvaxxed are the problem
what a joke
again why are vaxxed folks always getting tested?

18 months of fear porn and media messaging causes brain damage!

I appreciate you and OP's engaging with the other side, but they can't/won't open up their minds to the idea that they have swallowed whole the Big Lie.

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”​

― Mark Twain

 

[Mike_the_Dawg]

There is no need for healthy people to get this experimental vaccine. Your body WILL fight it off!!

Expanded CDC stats for your viewing pleasure:
Since 1-1-2020 to 7/21/21 (Nearly a full 19 months)

US Deaths from COVID
0-17 years = 337
18-29 = 2470
30-39 = 7074
40-49 = 18,810

(0-49 years old) =28,691
Same age group (0-49)/same time frame (19 months) all other deaths = 455,397 !!!

Total Population of US citizens under 50= 211,240,00

Fatality rate of population under 50 in 19 months = .000013
If for fun we say that just half of the 28,691 had severe pre-existing health issues the fatality rate drops to .000006 for healthy individuals under the age of 50.


If you are old, sick or have an underlying issue, have at it and get the jab if you want.
Bottom line is were all gonna die at some point but the chances are its from COVID are ridiculously low if you are not elderly or sick already. But hey do what you want but the pressure to coerce others into getting it needs to stop yesterday. The math clearly doesn't warrant the reaction we are getting from half the population.

 

[celticdawg]

There is no need for healthy people to get this experimental vaccine. Your body WILL fight it off!!

Expanded CDC stats for your viewing pleasure:
Since 1-1-2020 to 7/21/21 (Nearly a full 19 months)

US Deaths from COVID
0-17 years = 337
18-29 = 2470
30-39 = 7074
40-49 = 18,810

(0-49 years old) =28,691
Same age group (0-49)/same time frame (19 months) all other deaths = 455,397 !!!

Total Population of US citizens under 50= 211,240,00

Fatality rate of population under 50 in 19 months = .000013
If for fun we say that just half of the 28,691 had severe pre-existing health issues the fatality rate drops to .000006 for healthy individuals under the age of 50.


If you are old, sick or have an underlying issue, have at it and get the jab if you want.
Bottom line is were all gonna die at some point but the chances are its from COVID are ridiculously low if you are not elderly or sick already. But hey do what you want but the pressure to coerce others into getting it needs to stop yesterday. The math clearly doesn't warrant the reaction we are getting from half the population.

You are doing the same thing. You are trying to coerce people to not get the vaccine, when it can not only save lives, but prevent people from long term problems from the virus. In many areas it's the unvaccinated that are winding up in the hospitals. Your statistics, while they may be true, do not prove what you are saying.

So just let people decide. They may want to get it so that they can keep their job.

 

[Mike_the_Dawg]

You are doing the same thing. You are trying to coerce people to not get the vaccine, when it can not only save lives, but prevent people from long term problems from the virus. In many areas it's the unvaccinated that are winding up in the hospitals. Your statistics, while they may be true, do not prove what you are saying.

So just let people decide. They may want to get it so that they can keep their job.

Bullshit. I am giving people the FACTS which in my opinion show overwhelmingly it is not justified for the masses. These facts aren't just "maybe true" its straight from the CDC! One of the precious government agencies you have been telling us to listen to for a year and half. I am not coercing anyone. TWICE in the last post I stated do what you want. You are the one cherry picking stories from florida hospitals to prove your point.

 

[ugateke24]

You are doing the same thing. You are trying to coerce people to not get the vaccine, when it can not only save lives, but prevent people from long term problems from the virus. In many areas it's the unvaccinated that are winding up in the hospitals. Your statistics, while they may be true, do not prove what you are saying.

So just let people decide. They may want to get it so that they can keep their job.

That would be easy if there wasn't so much misinformation out there from people like you.

I have said it countless times on this board. My wife was a nurse and later went into upper level management at medical facilities.

We have countless friends in the medical field who won't go near this vaccine and have the education and knowledge to properly make those decisions.

If you have a pre existing condition then you can weigh the pros vs cons of this.

However, the lies and complete bullcrap of the vaccine being a silver bullet are kinda like saying you need a fly swatter to protect you from butterflies.

 

[ugateke24]

Bullshit. I am giving people the FACTS which in my opinion show overwhelmingly it is not justified for the masses. These facts aren't just "maybe true" its straight from the CDC! One of the precious government agencies you have been telling us to listen to for a year and half. I am not coercing anyone. TWICE in the last post I stated do what you want. You are the one cherry picking stories from florida hospitals to prove your point.

Psychological i think he is just projecting here.

I have come to the conclusion that the left does this alot. A good example is the left thinking blacks are to dumb or scared to get a voter ID card. That is a racists conclusion by them.

So he only thinks you're coercing because he his.

Eventually people tell you who they really are if you listen.

 

[WyoDawg307]

Psychological i think he is just projecting here.

I have come to the conclusion that the left does this alot. A good example is the left thinking blacks are to dumb or scared to get a voter ID card. That is a racists conclusion by them.

So he only thinks you're coercing because he his.

Eventually people tell you who they really are if you listen.

Agree. Projecting is exactly how the left operates.
Call you "racist" when they are the true racists as proven by their actions.
Or say the 2016 election was stolen by Russian interference to distract from the obvious.
Just simply blame the right for doing "X", when that is exactly what the left has been doing all along.
I guess that is what you lead with with you have no good ideas or policies that work.

 

[celticdawg]

That would be easy if there wasn't so much misinformation out there from people like you.

I have said it countless times on this board. My wife was a nurse and later went into upper level management at medical facilities.

We have countless friends in the medical field who won't go near this vaccine and have the education and knowledge to properly make those decisions.

If you have a pre existing condition then you can weigh the pros vs cons of this.

However, the lies and complete bullcrap of the vaccine being a silver bullet are kinda like saying you need a fly swatter to protect you from butterflies.

Please tell me when I have provided misinformation. That's what it appears you are claiming. If you are talking to me, don't lump me in with anybody else. My posts are usually to question incorrect information and there is plenty of that being posted.

I'm not responsible for any President or anybody in Washington providing you with incorrect information. I don't recall hearing anyone say that the vaccine is a silver bullet. But there are plenty of responsible experts who I believe are correct in advising most of the people to get the vaccine for various reasons. Referring to the vaccine as "complete bullcrap" shows your ignorance on making up your mind and not wanting to get any facts.

So just go on believing what you want. That's your right.

 

[celticdawg]

Psychological i think he is just projecting here.

I have come to the conclusion that the left does this alot. A good example is the left thinking blacks are to dumb or scared to get a voter ID card. That is a racists conclusion by them.

So he only thinks you're coercing because he his.

EVENTUALLY PEOPLE TELL YOU WHO THEY REALLY ARE IF YOU LISTEN.

You have certainly lived up to that last statement as you have just said nothing here. You also have no idea about who I am and that's clear from your many statements.

 

[MonolithicDawgX]

I'm curious where those stats come from. Per the linked CDC information below, the number of "reported" deaths from December 14, 2020 to July 19, 2021 only totaled 6,207. Also note their statement in bold, that the reported deaths don't necessarily mean the vaccine caused a health problem.

Why would it be safer to be unvaxed even if those stats were correct? If you are unvaxed you certainly can't die from the vaccine, but you sure can still die from COVID. You are taking two numbers which are not an apple to apple comparison.

He was responding to me. I'm unvaxxed but a covid survivor (co-survs). Wear my t shirt proudly. We survivors adopted chartreuse as our color that represents our shattered, nearly lifeless bodies. But I'm unvaxxed, but have natural immunity, so I'm better than even vaxxed people! We co-survs are gonna crap chartreuse all over you vaxxers!

 

[ugateke24]

You have certainly lived up to that last statement as you have just said nothing here. You also have no idea about who I am and that's clear from your many statements.

See is exactly what I am talking about. As you make these statements you don’t even realize how the board views them. The more you post the more apparent it becomes who you are.

 

[ugateke24]

Agree. Projecting is exactly how the left operates.
Call you "racist" when they are the true racists as proven by their actions.
Or say the 2016 election was stolen by Russian interference to distract from the obvious.
Just simply blame the right for doing "X", when that is exactly what the left has been doing all along.
I guess that is what you lead with with you have no good ideas or policies that work.

I knew they did that on other things but it took there actions and statements in race to realize that Dems and the left use the term racists because it exsist everyday in their perception of the world.