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Are we allowed to egg Pelosi’s house?

Just looking at how the fascists trashed the Fed bldgs in Portland, this seems to be the logical next step.
The mob will take care of that.

Everything was "fine" in Seattle until the mob showed up at Mayor Jenny Durkan's house to continue their "summer of love" by demanding her head on a stick. Then the Feds were needed.

Portlandia was hunky dory until Mayor Ted Wheeler went down to meet and greet the friendly protestors, who threw debris, insults, water bottles, and anything else they could find at Good Ol' Ted and his personal security detail.

The Woke greeted him with the message:
THEODORE, FANCY SEEING YOU HERE. HERE ARE OUR DEMANDS:
1. Defund PPB by 50% and reinvest into the communities, particularly the black community.
2. Free all protestors from jail.
3. Feds out of Portland now.
4. You, Ted Wheeler, need to resign.

These people will learn that the mobs are not on their side. The hard way.
 
Fascism is right-wing and involves authoritarianism...do you think the people fighting for increased access to voting are the authoritarians or maybe the person who wants to stay in office for life and wants to delay an election and is sending in Federal officers to stop protests...hmmmm

Now if you said marxism or socialism then that would be more appropriate
They're all the same no diff
 
Fascism is right-wing and involves authoritarianism...do you think the people fighting for increased access to voting are the authoritarians or maybe the person who wants to stay in office for life and wants to delay an election and is sending in Federal officers to stop protests...hmmmm

Now if you said marxism or socialism then that would be more appropriate
Trump done got you triggered bigtime. LOL.
 
Fascism is right-wing and involves authoritarianism...do you think the people fighting for increased access to voting are the authoritarians or maybe the person who wants to stay in office for life and wants to delay an election and is sending in Federal officers to stop protests...hmmmm

Now if you said marxism or socialism then that would be more appropriate
Are you suggesting Antifa and BLM are fighting for increased access to voting? And do you believe Trump has the power and authority to delay the election?
 
I support both antifa and BLM and have been in protests with them and voting rights and access to voting is probably one of the top 3 things discussed at the protests.

Trump does not have the power, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to
If you support Antifa and BLM, you and I are enemies. I don’t agree with or respect anti-Semitic Marxists. Hope we never meet.
 
I support both antifa and BLM and have been in protests with them and voting rights and access to voting is probably one of the top 3 things discussed at the protests.

Trump does not have the power, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to
Your statement that you support both Antifa and BLM is proof that you are a deranged fool. You are an enemy of the USA and an enemy of me. You are hereby ignored forever.
 
Fascism is right-wing and involves authoritarianism...do you think the people fighting for increased access to voting are the authoritarians or maybe the person who wants to stay in office for life and wants to delay an election and is sending in Federal officers to stop protests...hmmmm

Now if you said marxism or socialism then that would be more appropriate

Please explain how 100% government control and regulation of business with a central government usually controlled by a dictator is right wing. The right in this country and Trump are deregulating federalist. The authoritarians in the U.S. are all coming from the left. And don't give me any of this nationalist BS either. Trump is attempting to enforce duly passes laws that were signed by previous POTUSs. Obama care and DACA are way closer to fascism than anything Trump has proposed.
 
I mean, it's in the definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

And I agree that all presidents have enacted policies that overreach, but you can't bring up Obama and not address Bush and DHS

You can call it right if you want but the right in this country is literally the polar opposite of central control with a dictator. You can't be a deregulator and advocate sending power to the states and be a fascist. I mean, it's in the definition. It is historically the left in this country that opposes states rights.
 
I'm not anti-Semitic or a Marxist. I am against fascism and white supremacy, and I want greater equality for all races. Pretty simple.
Yes you are if you support those 2 groups. If you don’t understand that, I can’t help you because you’re ignorant. But I don’t think you are. You know exactly what they stand for. As I said, we’re enemies; we have irreconcilable differences. This will not end well for you and your fellow Marxist anti-Semites. The country is learning what you are.
 
How is sending federal officers into a city that didn't request them advocating for states rights?

The fed Gov is responsible for enforcing federal law and protecting federal property. The feds aren't enforcing state law and federally protected civil rights do not vanish if lib state governors refuse to defend those rights. George Wallace ring a bell.
 
How is sending federal officers into a city that didn't request them advocating for states rights?
To protect the citizens from rioters and destruction of public and private property. You must not own any property or valuables. Innocent citizens have been harassed and hurt by these lawless mobs. Someone has to be the adult. Thank you MR. TRUMP.
 
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I mean, it's in the definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

And I agree that all presidents have enacted policies that overreach, but you can't bring up Obama and not address Bush and DHS
Right wing in Communism or Facism is not the same as Right wing in America. Stalin was considered Right wing although he’s on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum with Barry Goldwater who was considered Right wing in America. It’s a shame that Wikipedia does such a poor job explaining this, because simpletons who have no knowledge of political science can repeat the crap you just repeated.
 
I support both antifa and BLM and have been in protests with them and voting rights and access to voting is probably one of the top 3 things discussed at the protests.

Trump does not have the power, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to
What exactly do you support about antifa (who are actually fascists) and BLM (Marxists)?
 
You know what's going to be fun too, when we win the white house and the senate and your heads explode trying to understand how your beliefs are the correct beliefs but the country doesn't agree with you. Remember, there are at least 3MM more of us than you, you are the minority only saved by an antiquated election system and voter suppression.
How is the election system antiquated?
Where is there voter suppression?
 
You know what's going to be fun too, when we win the white house and the senate and your heads explode trying to understand how your beliefs are the correct beliefs but the country doesn't agree with you. Remember, there are at least 3MM more of us than you, you are the minority only saved by an antiquated election system and voter suppression.
You do not understand how the system works, no one is being disenfranchised with the right to vote. Your side wants to allow voting without an Id because we all know that is to allow people to cheat when voting. You have to show an Id at the bank , to board a plane, to buy liquor among many other instances. It is not violating anyone’s rights to show an Id when voting.
 
I read a lot, I surround myself with people who come from different backgrounds than my own, I listen to those who are less fortunate than I am and have empathy for them. Again, I know none of you will believe me when I say this, but in these protests I have encountered nobody who wants to see America burn to the ground, it's quite the opposite. Everyone I interact with is just trying to make a more fair and equitable America. We have such a huge disparity in this country between the haves and the have-nots. We're the richest country in the world and yet 30MM people don't have healthcare. We have the largest prison population and incarceration rate in the world. We are one of the least representative democracies in the world when you look at how large our population is and how many representatives there are. So for me it's just about trying to fix these things to give people better access and representation.
Where have you protested? What city/cities?
Everyone should have empathy for others. I'm glad that you do; however, certain issues need to be based on facts, not feelings or agendas.
 
First of all, I hope you all understand that neither of those are organizations or groups with leadership/hierarchy, it's more of just a belief/movement. Antifa essentially is a left-wing viewpoint of "hey, we need to stand up to white supremacists and fascists and we're going to show up where they are and make them uncomfortable and feel unwelcome". I know all of you just get your news from right-wing media outlets that have latched on and made Antifa out to be the boogeyman but I promise you it is not like that. When white-supremacists showed up in Charlottesville there were a group of people who showed up to counter-protest them and let them know they weren't welcome...that's what Antifa is. It's not anyone with guns killing people, it's just a bunch of people who want to make sure we don't turn into a right-wing, white-supremacist lead, authoritarian state. Again, I know you won't believe me but I'm out there so I do think I'd know better.

And similar goes for BLM, it's just a hashtag, that's how it got started. There isn't a leadership, there aren't meetings, it's just a belief that black lives matter and they really haven't to the level they should in our society. It's just about equity and equality.

with all due respect I think your movement(s) are wrong and misguided. You aim to take from achievers and give to those who have done nothing, and will do nothing, under the guise of oppression. There is a list a mile long of people of all backgrounds in this country who have achieved without the benefit of being white and rich. I fear you are either naive about these organizations beliefs or are trying to downplay them here. These are terrible organizations that do not want the best for this country or any country for that matter. They thrive on chaos and anarchy, their end game baffles me but the good news is we will never see their end game here. We will see glimpses in places like Portland and Minneapolis and once people see the end results this will quickly be a movement reserved for internet back rooms again. I wish you no luck on your quest to destroy this country but I do wish one day you will wake up and see the errors of your ways.
 
Voter ID sounds super obvious right, you need an ID to vote, we need to know who you are so that there isn't fraud. Well turns out that voter ID laws end up reducing voter turnout by 2-3%, which is at least 3MM people based upon how many voted in the last presidential election. So it's taking away their ability to vote. And there have only been about 1200 instances of voter fraud since 1948. So you're taking away 3MM people's ability to vote for a statistically tiny amount of fraud. And of those instances of fraud, the people go to jail.

Now, you're probably saying "but it's so easy to get an ID"...Over 21 million U.S. citizens do not have government-issued photo identification. That’s because ID cards aren’t always accessible for everyone. The ID itself can be costly, and even when IDs are free, applicants must incur other expenses to obtain the underlying documents that are needed to get an ID. This can be a significant burden on people in lower-income communities. Further, the travel required is an obstacle for people with disabilities, the elderly, and people living in rural areas.
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with all due respect I think your movement(s) are wrong and misguided. You aim to take from achievers and give to those who have done nothing, and will do nothing, under the guise of oppression. There is a list a mile long of people of all backgrounds in this country who have achieved without the benefit of being white and rich. I fear you are either naive about these organizations beliefs or are trying to downplay them here. These are terrible organizations that do not want the best for this country or any country for that matter. They thrive on chaos and anarchy, their end game baffles me but the good news is we will never see their end game here. We will see glimpses in places like Portland and Minneapolis and once people see the end results this will quickly be a movement reserved for internet back rooms again. I wish you no luck on your quest to destroy this country but I do wish one day you will wake up and see the errors of your ways.



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Voter ID sounds super obvious right, you need an ID to vote, we need to know who you are so that there isn't fraud. Well turns out that voter ID laws end up reducing voter turnout by 2-3%, which is at least 3MM people based upon how many voted in the last presidential election. So it's taking away their ability to vote. And there have only been about 1200 instances of voter fraud since 1948. So you're taking away 3MM people's ability to vote for a statistically tiny amount of fraud. And of those instances of fraud, the people go to jail.

Now, you're probably saying "but it's so easy to get an ID"...Over 21 million U.S. citizens do not have government-issued photo identification. That’s because ID cards aren’t always accessible for everyone. The ID itself can be costly, and even when IDs are free, applicants must incur other expenses to obtain the underlying documents that are needed to get an ID. This can be a significant burden on people in lower-income communities. Further, the travel required is an obstacle for people with disabilities, the elderly, and people living in rural areas.
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How do you know these people will do nothing if they are given more opportunities?

Additionally, why isn't there more of an uproar about Right-Wing extremists? Antifa hasn't lead to anyone being killed:

A new database by the Center for Strategic and International studies analyzed nearly 900 politically motivated plots and attacks in the US

0
Victims killed in anti-fascist attacks since 1994

21
Victims killed in left-wing violence since 2010

95
Victims killed in jihadist attacks since 2010

117
Victims killed in right-wing violence since 2010

329
Victims killed in right-wing violence since 1994


I’m not sure where you gathered from my post that I support right wing extremism? And I think we can probably revisit those antifa stats after the last couple weeks. I’m pretty sure there’s been a few deaths recently, not to mention millions upon millions in property damage. But regardless I am in favor of a simple life, just do the best you can and stay out of trouble, I don’t care which political ideology you have. The second you tell me i have to give up what I earned or call me something because I don’t support an organization or movement that’s when we have a problem.
I’m not gonna convince you of anything and you aren’t gonna convince me. We will just say our peace and that’s that. You think I’m wrong and I think you are so be it.
 
I read a lot, I surround myself with people who come from different backgrounds than my own, I listen to those who are less fortunate than I am and have empathy for them. Again, I know none of you will believe me when I say this, but in these protests I have encountered nobody who wants to see America burn to the ground, it's quite the opposite. Everyone I interact with is just trying to make a more fair and equitable America. We have such a huge disparity in this country between the haves and the have-nots. We're the richest country in the world and yet 30MM people don't have healthcare. We have the largest prison population and incarceration rate in the world. We are one of the least representative democracies in the world when you look at how large our population is and how many representatives there are. So for me it's just about trying to fix these things to give people better access and representation.
You surround yourself with Marxists and anti-Semites. Guess what that makes you? Your kind are outdated. We kicked your asses in the 1940s, and it looks like we need to do it again in 2020.
 
Fascism is right-wing and involves authoritarianism...do you think the people fighting for increased access to voting are the authoritarians or maybe the person who wants to stay in office for life and wants to delay an election and is sending in Federal officers to stop protests...hmmmm

Now if you said marxism or socialism then that would be more appropriate
You think people burning flags and Bibles are fighting for increased access to voting? You have gone off of the rails...
 
Voter ID sounds super obvious right, you need an ID to vote, we need to know who you are so that there isn't fraud. Well turns out that voter ID laws end up reducing voter turnout by 2-3%, which is at least 3MM people based upon how many voted in the last presidential election. So it's taking away their ability to vote. And there have only been about 1200 instances of voter fraud since 1948. So you're taking away 3MM people's ability to vote for a statistically tiny amount of fraud. And of those instances of fraud, the people go to jail.

Now, you're probably saying "but it's so easy to get an ID"...Over 21 million U.S. citizens do not have government-issued photo identification. That’s because ID cards aren’t always accessible for everyone. The ID itself can be costly, and even when IDs are free, applicants must incur other expenses to obtain the underlying documents that are needed to get an ID. This can be a significant burden on people in lower-income communities. Further, the travel required is an obstacle for people with disabilities, the elderly, and people living in rural areas.

In this world today , you need an ID for any transaction ...it is easy enough to get one if any effort is made . There is no way we should allow undocumented folks to vote or people that aren't allowed by law to vote .
 
Voter ID sounds super obvious right, you need an ID to vote, we need to know who you are so that there isn't fraud. Well turns out that voter ID laws end up reducing voter turnout by 2-3%, which is at least 3MM people based upon how many voted in the last presidential election. So it's taking away their ability to vote. And there have only been about 1200 instances of voter fraud since 1948. So you're taking away 3MM people's ability to vote for a statistically tiny amount of fraud. And of those instances of fraud, the people go to jail.

Now, you're probably saying "but it's so easy to get an ID"...Over 21 million U.S. citizens do not have government-issued photo identification. That’s because ID cards aren’t always accessible for everyone. The ID itself can be costly, and even when IDs are free, applicants must incur other expenses to obtain the underlying documents that are needed to get an ID. This can be a significant burden on people in lower-income communities. Further, the travel required is an obstacle for people with disabilities, the elderly, and people living in rural areas.
This is pure bs. If voter ID laws are reducing voter turnout by 2-3%, maybe that’s showing that 2-3% of turnout was from people voting fraudulently for others. Also, the fraud schemes identified and prosecuted are only a portion of the actual fraud that occurs. Good fraud schemes are never discovered. This is true in healthcare and every other government run program. The argument that getting an ID is difficult for millions is completely ridiculous. If it were true, why haven’t you and your Marxist buddies spent the last four years helping these people obtain IDs instead of marching and bitching about this great country that provides opportunities for people from all over the world. Instead of burning the U.S. flag, or painting graffiti on federal buildings, go out and help someone get an ID. I know why you haven’t. You’d rather continue to use it as an argument that there’s voter suppression and the system needs to be torn down.
 
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You still have to be a citizen and an eligible voter to be on the vote rolls. So do you think that there are a large amount of undocumented people that know who is registered to vote, then figure out that that person won't be voting, then goes and votes in their place??? I'm just trying to understand how you people think voter fraud happens. The only instance of voter fraud of any significance in the last election was perpetrated by republicans in North Carolina and lead to a special election needing to be held.

I do remember a female poll worker in Ohio that voted for odumba 6 times , she served time for this action. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg . I have also heard of boxes that contained absentee ballots from Georgia ending up in South Dakota , I could go on, I won't because I can't verify . You know it happens , I know it happens , with total mail in voting it will be easy to " play dirty " !!
 
First of all, I hope you all understand that neither of those are organizations or groups with leadership/hierarchy, it's more of just a belief/movement. Antifa essentially is a left-wing viewpoint of "hey, we need to stand up to white supremacists and fascists and we're going to show up where they are and make them uncomfortable and feel unwelcome". I know all of you just get your news from right-wing media outlets that have latched on and made Antifa out to be the boogeyman but I promise you it is not like that. When white-supremacists showed up in Charlottesville there were a group of people who showed up to counter-protest them and let them know they weren't welcome...that's what Antifa is. It's not anyone with guns killing people, it's just a bunch of people who want to make sure we don't turn into a right-wing, white-supremacist lead, authoritarian state. Again, I know you won't believe me but I'm out there so I do think I'd know better.

And similar goes for BLM, it's just a hashtag, that's how it got started. There isn't a leadership, there aren't meetings, it's just a belief that black lives matter and they really haven't to the level they should in our society. It's just about equity and equality.
BLM absolutely is an organization with leadership. Their co-founder, Patrisse Cullors, is an openly admitted trained Marxist. They've hijacked the actual definition of black lives matter. They do not, in fact, think that all black lives matter or they would be up in arms about the senseless violence in Chicago or the disproportionate amount of Planned Parenthood murders against blacks. They do not speak out against black on black crime or murders, which is by far the leading cause of murder or crime against black people. In fact, data shows police are much more likely to be killed or assaulted by black people than vice versa.

Susan Rosenberg is the vice chairwoman of the board of directors of a charity called Thousand Currents, based in California. The charity operates as the fundraising organization for the national arm of the Black Lives Matter organization.

Rosenberg, it turns out, is a convicted terrorist who was a member of the radical leftist militant group known as the May 19th Communist Organization, which was affiliated with the Weather Underground and other terrorist groups. She was convicted on weapons and explosives charges and sentenced to 58 years in March of 1985 and served 16 years of that sentence before she was pardoned by President Bill Clinton on his last day in office on January 20, 2001.

Antifa are the actual fascists. They try to suppress anyone's voice who doesn't agree with their far left views. They even turn on the idiot lawless mayors who allow their behavior at times.

There is zero chance we turn into a white supremacists society. Put down the kool-aid. Here's the deal whether you, or me, or anyone likes it... people have the right to peacefully protest or march or assemble whether we agree or not. This includes antifa, BLM, or any disgusting right or left wing hate group. I don't condone any of the hate groups on either side to be clear.
However, at the first sign of assault or destroyed/ defaced property, their peaceful protest ceases to exist and is unlawful.
 
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I'd prefer not to share specific locations because I don't like having information online, but large east coast cities. And I'm more than happy to discuss facts, the problem we have in this country is that nobody can agree what a fact is anymore.
Can we agree that BLM is very well organized as noted in my last reply?
 
Fascism is right-wing and involves authoritarianism...do you think the people fighting for increased access to voting are the authoritarians or maybe the person who wants to stay in office for life and wants to delay an election and is sending in Federal officers to stop protests...hmmmm

Now if you said marxism or socialism then that would be more appropriate

What you are saying then is that in Nazi Germany, anyone who stood up to the brown shirts burning Jewish stores and shutting them down, is a Fascist?

That is exactly what you are saying. Your point is flawed unless you assume it is the right of our citizens to openly damage and destroy other people’s property without consequence.
 
One more thing about BLM @JB Sterling ...
BLM makes it clear that they are against the nuclear family, which ironically, is arguably the biggest issue facing black Americans today... to the tune of 75% of black children being in homes without a father. This is a huge problem for the black community, as stated by President Obama and the head of the NAACP. The statistics about boys without a father in the home are frightening.
 
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