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BigDaddyDawgBreath

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Not perfect because it is British-centric but overall comports well with proven (quite low) risk for almost every age and health status other than being near end of average life expectancy, having multiple other conditions, or being obese.

My risk was 0.004% - as in 4 thousandths of a percent.

Yet my friend @PDX_Dawg indicated I was engaging in toxic masculinity because I said I was not scared of COVID-19...

 
Not perfect because it is British-centric but overall comports well with proven (quite low) risk for almost every age and health status other than being near end of average life expectancy, having multiple other conditions, or being obese.

My risk was 0.004% - as in 4 thousandths of a percent.

Yet my friend @PDX_Dawg indicated I was engaging in toxic masculinity because I said I was not scared of COVID-19...

Overall what is your feeling on the vaccine?
 
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Not perfect because it is British-centric but overall comports well with proven (quite low) risk for almost every age and health status other than being near end of average life expectancy, having multiple other conditions, or being obese.

My risk was 0.004% - as in 4 thousandths of a percent.

Yet my friend @PDX_Dawg indicated I was engaging in toxic masculinity because I said I was not scared of COVID-19...

.0055% here, and I checked the "I have leukemia" box despite being basically cancer free for 20 years. I also took the J&J vaccine, but I did not see where I could enter that.
 
Overall what is your feeling on the vaccine?
Personally think it makes sense for anyone in an at-risk group. For those not at risk, I believe "not yet" is more prudent. There is a reason a very large percentage of health care workers have refused the vaccine so far.

Our family has decided in this way. Our at risk folks have been vaccinated and others are letting things play out a bit.

To be clear, those are my personal beliefs and choices. If someone chooses differently I respect that, as I want my own decisions respected (edit - meaning actually respected by not shutting me out of society through the backdoor of a vaccine "passport")
 
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Useful chart to compare risks. Too bad people just don't have the proper perspective. As I told my wife, we have driven across the country and back and the odds of us being killed in a crash are multiple times higher than dying from the virus.
She was 1 in 31250 and I was 1 in 12346.


Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2019
Cause of DeathOdds of Dying
Heart disease1 in 6
Cancer1 in 7
All preventable causes of death1 in 24
Chronic lower respiratory disease1 in 27
Suicide1 in 88
Opioid overdose1 in 92
Fall1 in 106
Motor-vehicle crash1 in 107
Gun assault1 in 289
Pedestrian incident1 in 543
Motorcyclist1 in 899
Drowning1 in 1,128
Fire or smoke1 in 1,547
Choking on food1 in 2,535
Bicyclist1 in 3,825
Sunstroke1 in 8,248
Accidental gun discharge1 in 8,571
Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure1 in 13,394
 
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Useful chart to compare risks. Too bad people just don't have the proper perspective. As I told my wife, we have driven across the country and back and the odds of us being killed in a crash are multiple times higher than dying from the virus.
She was 1 in 31250 and I was 1 in 12346.


Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2019
Cause of DeathOdds of Dying
Heart disease1 in 6
Cancer1 in 7
All preventable causes of death1 in 24
Chronic lower respiratory disease1 in 27
Suicide1 in 88
Opioid overdose1 in 92
Fall1 in 106
Motor-vehicle crash1 in 107
Gun assault1 in 289
Pedestrian incident1 in 543
Motorcyclist1 in 899
Drowning1 in 1,128
Fire or smoke1 in 1,547
Choking on food1 in 2,535
Bicyclist1 in 3,825
Sunstroke1 in 8,248
Accidental gun discharge1 in 8,571
Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure1 in 13,394
The perceived risk from COVID-19 that most have is vastly greater than any actual risk they have.

Edit - this is not just my theory. Gallup polling showed a huge chunk of the US population thinks 50% of people who get COVID end up in the hospital. The actual percentage is about 3%

 
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To be clear, those are my personal beliefs and choices. If someone chooses differently I respect that, as I want my own decisions respected (edit - meaning actually respected by not shutting me out of society through the backdoor of a vaccine "passport")
BigDaddy, I understand your thoughts, if you don't want to take the vaccine, that is your choice.

However, I don't want to be sitting next to you on a cruise ship (nothing personal here, just don't want to take this risk), and cruise lines have the right to establish policies for their own ships. I agree, you don't have to take the shot, but this may prevent you from taking part in certain activities.
 
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BigDaddy, I understand your thoughts, if you don't want to take the vaccine, that is your choice.

However, I don't want to be sitting next to you on a cruise ship (nothing personal here, just don't want to take this risk), and cruise lines have the right to establish policies for their own ships. I agree, you don't have to take the shot, but this may prevent you from taking part in certain activities.
With respect, screw that and honestly you too if you push that perspective.

Sorry but you will *not* take my life from me because I will not take a substance that has not completed full safety testing. The arrogance of those who think they can do that to others is hard to fathom.

But make sure you consider this...

The vaccine has been stated by the vaccine maker to be 100% effective at protecting you from any serious COVID outcomes.

So why do you have anything to worry about sitting next to me or anyone else?
 
BigDaddy, I understand your thoughts, if you don't want to take the vaccine, that is your choice.

However, I don't want to be sitting next to you on a cruise ship (nothing personal here, just don't want to take this risk), and cruise lines have the right to establish policies for their own ships. I agree, you don't have to take the shot, but this may prevent you from taking part in certain activities.
I mean, seriously - who do you think you are that your irrational fear can so casually deprive others of their lives?

Almost half of nursing home health care workers on the "front lines" have refused the vaccine. They have seen at least half of the COVID deaths personally and been constantly surrounded by the virus. Yet they still assessed the risk and refused the vaccine.

Do you plan to look them in the eye and tell them "sorry but you just can't do certain things because I am scared of you giving me COVID (even though I am 100% protected by the vaccine)"?

 
No vaccine or medical procedure is 100% effective.

Vaccine seems to be very effective, but I don't buy 100%.

Cruise ships have unique risks that make a vaccine requirement very appealing to me.
 
No vaccine or medical procedure is 100% effective.

Vaccine seems to be very effective, but I don't buy 100%.

Cruise ships have unique risks that make a vaccine requirement very appealing to me.
Oh, so you want to doubt the vaccine maker when they say it is 100% effective (even though that number is based on trial data) but you do not want me to have the benefit of doubt about the long term safety (which has not been completed yet - it is literally unknown)?

And folks wonder why people are getting more aggravated by the minute with this tomfoolery.

Do you plan to tell health care workers who refused the vaccine that they "just cannot be allowed to do certain things"?
 
Do you plan to tell health care workers who refused the vaccine that they "just cannot be allowed to do certain things"?
Yes, and for the folks working on the front lines working in nursing homes, I would tell them they are nuts.
 
Yes, and for the folks working on the front lines working in nursing homes, I would tell them they are nuts.
You can tell them they are nuts all day long. You have that right. What you do not have is the right to replace your judgment (and fears) for theirs.

I would suggest keeping your mind open to the idea those people may also know more than you about the relative risks of both the virus and the vaccine.
 
No vaccine or medical procedure is 100% effective.

Vaccine seems to be very effective, but I don't buy 100%.

Cruise ships have unique risks that make a vaccine requirement very appealing to me.
You'll never sit on a cruise ship next to me because I'll never get on one.

And, I'm with Big Daddy...I've had covid. Lots of studies say I am at least as good from getting either A) covid again, or B) any serious health issues in the extremely rare chance I do get it again, so why not wait to push your fear mongering until better studies come out, like he said? The funny thing about the socialist world you think is utopia, you'll be in the same re-education camp sitting next to me there, but I won't have had the shot, so that's why I'll be in there. You'll be in there because some higher up socialist hates you and your family. What will you do then?
 
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Big Daddy, final thoughts, using the cruise ship example, you are right that I don't have the right to tell those folks they can't get on the boat, but the cruise lines do. The ships are their property, and if the cruise lines think it is safer and more profitable to have vaccine only cruises, that is their right.

Lastly, regarding the vaccine, Dr. Ali Ellebedy, immunologist at Washington University said, "Being vaccinated doesn't mean you are immune. It means you have a better chance of protection." I want the odds as high as I can get them in my favor, and given the preference of sitting next to someone in a high risk setting, I would like them to be vaccinated.
 
Not perfect because it is British-centric but overall comports well with proven (quite low) risk for almost every age and health status other than being near end of average life expectancy, having multiple other conditions, or being obese.

My risk was 0.004% - as in 4 thousandths of a percent.

Yet my friend @PDX_Dawg indicated I was engaging in toxic masculinity because I said I was not scared of COVID-19...

To be clear, I don’t care what you do and whether it is toxic or not.

My comment was more focused on your attitude, which comes across as the following...

I am smarter than everyone else on this. If you don’t agree with me it is bc you haven’t read all the medical journals I have read.
To prove I am smarter than everyone else, I’m going to talk about this in academic, scientific journal type language even though you have no scientific expertise. Hell, the resident bio chemist has called you out on this crap.
Unless someone is in a high risk group, anyone who wears a mask and gets a vaccine is a sheep who can’t think for themselves. But you are a tough guy bc you make a mockery of the virus and anyone who doesn’t share your position.

In addition to all that, you had the same ‘I know more about this than anyone else’ when you were pounding the table that this was going to be over in August, and you couldn’t have been more wrong. But you don’t adjust your position, you dig in and call upon your old friend, confirmation bias to latch onto data that supports the conclusions you have already reached.

In short, you have an unjustified ego that is the size of a Texas and come across as a blowhard, condescending asshole who thinks he is knows more than anyone else. When you post in a thread, you don’t just post, you ruin the thread by fagging it up with post after post demonstrating the above with 5,000 word posts.

I won’t even dig into how, as a moderator, you have locked threads in a childish manner after you have gotten the last word in, until you were directed not to.
 
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To be clear, I don’t care what you do and whether it is toxic or not.

My comment was more focused on your attitude, which comes across as the following...

I am smarter than everyone else on this. If you don’t agree with me it is bc you haven’t read all the medical journals I have read.
To prove I am smarter than everyone else, I’m going to talk about this in academic, scientific journal type language even though you have no scientific expertise. Hell, the resident bio chemist has called you out on this crap.
Unless someone is in a high risk group, anyone who wears a mask and gets a vaccine is a sheep who can’t think for themselves. But you are a tough guy bc you make a mockery of the virus and anyone who doesn’t share your position.

In addition to all that, you had the same ‘I know more about this than anyone else’ when you were pounding the table that this was going to be over in August, and you couldn’t have been more wrong. But you don’t adjust your position, you dig in and call upon your old friend, confirmation bias to latch onto data that supports the conclusions you have already reached.

In short, you have an unjustified ego that is the size of a Texas and come across as a blowhard, condescending asshole who thinks he is knows more than anyone else. When you post in a thread, you don’t just post, you ruin the thread by fagging it up with post after post demonstrating the above with 5,000 word posts.

I won’t even dig into how, as a moderator, you have locked threads in a childish manner after you have gotten the last word in, until you were directed not to.
Good grief. I have not locked threads to "get in the last word". I was not instructed to quit doing it because I didn't do it. One time I responded to a post someone directed at me after someone else locked the thread. A mod can respond after a thread was locked. Didn't realize it until after the fact. That one instance has been turned into some type of cosmic conspiracy. I haven't locked a thread in ages and took a walk from the site for a while because of just this kind of baseless junk.

As for the other stuff, most of it is overblown or wrong. You are flat in error that I "never admitted I was wrong " but enough of that. Looking forward to you showing the same scrutiny of those who are paid to get this right who have been wrong far more than stupid little me.

As for credentials, I did health care policy for over a decade for hospitals, nursing homes, pharmaceutical companies, and physician groups. Quit because of the same dynamic here - research often mattering far less than other factors.

I would actually like to have a beer with you one day. I suspect you are a good dude. Perhaps you might conclude the same of me.
 
I think they are just bringing up this passport threat to try and get more people in line for their experimental genetic therapy drug. And now they are saying it might not "work" in 12 months, so everyone will need to get their genetic system "upgraded" every year. And all this for a virus that kills less than 0.30% of the population. Looking at my state's data, in NC if you are healthy, with no comorbidity's, you have a 0.0001 (1/10,000th) chance of dying from Covid. My immune system has been working fine for 74 years, why do I want to make myself a GMO?
 
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