CDC updated fatality rates

[CoastalVADawg]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Survival in ()
0-19 yrs: 0.003% (99.997%)
20-49 yrs: 0.02% (99.98%)
50-69 yrs: 0.5% (99.5%)
70+ yrs: 5.4% (94.6%)

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Stop testing. Stop contact tracing. Send the kids to school. Practice good hygeine. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. Protect the elderly, which we should be doing anyway.

 

[dirtytoeddawg]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Survival in ()
0-19 yrs: 0.003% (99.997%)
20-49 yrs: 0.02% (99.98%)
50-69 yrs: 0.5% (99.5%)
70+ yrs: 5.4% (94.6%)

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Stop testing. Stop contact tracing. Send the kids to school. Practice good hygeine. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. Protect the elderly, which we should be doing anyway.

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Orange dude is bad.

 

[celticdawg]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Survival in ()
0-19 yrs: 0.003% (99.997%)
20-49 yrs: 0.02% (99.98%)
50-69 yrs: 0.5% (99.5%)
70+ yrs: 5.4% (94.6%)

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Stop testing. Stop contact tracing. Send the kids to school. Practice good hygeine. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. Protect the elderly, which we should be doing anyway.

I'm glad you're not in charge. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[Molardawg2]

Dont worry election infection will be over soon.

 

[oldmandawg]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Survival in ()
0-19 yrs: 0.003% (99.997%)
20-49 yrs: 0.02% (99.98%)
50-69 yrs: 0.5% (99.5%)
70+ yrs: 5.4% (94.6%)

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Stop testing. Stop contact tracing. Send the kids to school. Practice good hygeine. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. Protect the elderly, which we should be doing anyway.

May have to steal this and share with a few of my liberal friends. Not that it will do any good.

 

[KokaneeDawg]

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Orange dude is bad.

Was that they guy who handed our freedom over to a bureaucrat, in violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution? That orange dude? The one who literally abdicated his responsibility and allowed the stupid lockdowns to take root? Trump is on the other side of whatever is really going on, and you boat parade MAGA guys are going to be caught unprepared because you have actually trusted him, even after he left Flynn hanging and kept Sessions in place long enough for Huber to destroy all evidence implicating the Clintons.

It's a small club, and we ain't in it. POTUS has succeeded in keeping you on the sidelines with his 3+ year pep rally tour. That was what he was told to do, and he has served his masters well.

At least those 18 armored divisions headed from Bahrain and UAE to take Jerusalem turned around. That's an accomplishment of phenomenal magnitude.

 

[thinkinofmontreal]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Survival in ()
0-19 yrs: 0.003% (99.997%)
20-49 yrs: 0.02% (99.98%)
50-69 yrs: 0.5% (99.5%)
70+ yrs: 5.4% (94.6%)

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Stop testing. Stop contact tracing. Send the kids to school. Practice good hygeine. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. Protect the elderly, which we should be doing anyway.

Another factual defeat for Roy Mercer

 

[LT Dawg07]

I'm glad you're not in charge. That's all I'm going to say.

Where was the issue with what he said? I disagree with stopping testing but in general protecting the vulnerable while those with almost no vulnerability continue with life. This is the logical way to approach this and limit deaths while also preserving the economy (which saves lives as well). Lockdowns haven’t shown to be effective and the virus isn’t going anywhere.

Your COVID takes are getting worse, the declining deaths, hospitalizations and cases must be crushing you.

 

[celticdawg]

Where was the issue with what he said? I disagree with stopping testing but in general protecting the vulnerable while those with almost no vulnerability continue with life. This is the logical way to approach this and limit deaths while also preserving the economy (which saves lives as well). Lockdowns haven’t shown to be effective and the virus isn’t going anywhere.

Your COVID takes are getting worse, the declining deaths, hospitalizations and cases must be crushing you.

I think the approach he suggested is wrong. If he was in charge and planned to do as he said, I think it would not be the correct approach. That's all I said if you want to go back and look. So why is that "take" wrong when you don't totally agree with it?

I agree with the rest of what you said. I also disagree with OP (not you) regarding the contact tracing and saying that masks aren't necessary. He said just wear it if makes you feel better which certainly isn't advocating masks.

And what is this panic? Where do you see panic at this time? There are some people holed up in their house and I don't agree with that (unless they have very serious health problems), but that's far from panic. And driving (and other issues) have very little or no relevance to dealing with COVID.

The COVID results, etc. are not crushing me. You make me laugh. What's crushing is some of the intolerance from some people to ideas that they don't agree with. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't have tolerance for people who don't allow for difference of opinion.

 

[CoastalVADawg]

I'm glad you're not in charge. That's all I'm going to say.

Depends. In charge of what? I might surprise some people.😎

 

[LT Dawg07]

I think the approach he suggested is wrong. If he was in charge and planned to do as he said, I think it would not be the correct approach. That's all I said if you want to go back and look. So why is that "take" wrong when you don't totally agree with it?

I agree with the rest of what you said. I also disagree with OP (not you) regarding the contact tracing and saying that masks aren't necessary. He said just wear it if makes you feel better which certainly isn't advocating masks.

And what is this panic? Where do you see panic at this time? There are some people holed up in their house and I don't agree with that (unless they have very serious health problems), but that's far from panic. And driving (and other issues) have very little or no relevance to dealing with COVID.

The COVID results, etc. are not crushing me. You make me laugh. What's crushing is some of the intolerance from some people to ideas that they don't agree with. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't have tolerance for people who don't allow for difference of opinion.

Panic is peddled daily by the media. You post any new panic story you see. Schools are closed across the country despite data showing kids are at virtually no risk and the complete lack evidence showing kids, especially younger kids, transmit to adults to any meaningful degree.

Keeping kids out of school is detrimental to them.Liberals and teachers unions are pushing things that harm children for essentially political reasons. That’s terrible.

The take that’s wrong is that lockdowns haven’t shown to be effective. Protecting the elderly and letting it spread through the population that has little risk is clearly the better strategy. I’m not sure how that’s debatable at this point. There are huge costs to shutting down the economy and lockdowns, the full toll we won’t know for years. As I said, I wouldn’t stop testing but it’s apparent herd is achieved at a far lower level than initially believed. Herd is always the strategy and it’s been the strategy for humans for hundreds of years. Even with the vaccine, herd is still the strategy as it helps us get there.

That said, much Of the US is already there. It’s the reason everything is declining in southern states regardless of mask usage.

I’ll believe you aren’t hoping for death when every post you make doesn’t indicate the opposite. There is plenty of good news out there regarding COVID and I’ve never seen a single positive post by you yet countless negative ones. That tells me all I need to know.

 

[celticdawg]

Depends. In charge of what? I might surprise some people.😎

In charge of implementing what you originally posted. As I explained above, I don't agree with everything.

 

[celticdawg]

Panic is peddled daily by the media. You post any new panic story you see. Schools are closed across the country despite data showing kids are at virtually no risk and the complete lack evidence showing kids, especially younger kids, transmit to adults to any meaningful degree.

Keeping kids out of school is detrimental to them.Liberals and teachers unions are pushing things that harm children for essentially political reasons. That’s terrible.

The take that’s wrong is that lockdowns haven’t shown to be effective. Protecting the elderly and letting it spread through the population that has little risk is clearly the better strategy. I’m not sure how that’s debatable at this point. There are huge costs to shutting down the economy and lockdowns, the full toll we won’t know for years. As I said, I wouldn’t stop testing but it’s apparent herd is achieved at a far lower level than initially believed. Herd is always the strategy and it’s been the strategy for humans for hundreds of years. Even with the vaccine, herd is still the strategy as it helps us get there.

That said, much Of the US is already there. It’s the reason everything is declining in southern states regardless of mask usage.

I’ll believe you aren’t hoping for death when every post you make doesn’t indicate the opposite. There is plenty of good news out there regarding COVID and I’ve never seen a single positive post by you yet countless negative ones. That tells me all I need to know.

You are trying to stereotype too much as you consistently do. I must be seeing different media because I don't get the panic from what I read and see. Panic story - you're spewing such b.s. I've posted facts when I thought they were appropriate, but I can't remember the last story I have reported. I may have posted something recently, but you make it seem like it's more than a daily occurrence. You are so wrong because you have that so ingrained you can't think. Now Coastal has been doing a lot of thread posting, maybe you're thinking of him.

Again please find where I have commented about kids going back to school. I've pretty much, maybe totally, stayed out of that. But since you mentioned it, what is virtually no risk. You're at risk or you are not. Very young kids don't seem to transmit much, but it's not zero. And high school is a different story.

Your paragraph on herd immunity is okay, but we still don't know the level. But I don't see where much of the US is at herd immunity which you seem to be saying. No way.

"That tells me all I need to know." I'm glad that you know everything, so carry on. And I'm glad that you consider correcting wrong facts and information as being negative.

 

[BigDawgs2010]

Panic is peddled daily by the media. You post any new panic story you see. Schools are closed across the country despite data showing kids are at virtually no risk and the complete lack evidence showing kids, especially younger kids, transmit to adults to any meaningful degree.

Keeping kids out of school is detrimental to them.Liberals and teachers unions are pushing things that harm children for essentially political reasons. That’s terrible.

The take that’s wrong is that lockdowns haven’t shown to be effective. Protecting the elderly and letting it spread through the population that has little risk is clearly the better strategy. I’m not sure how that’s debatable at this point. There are huge costs to shutting down the economy and lockdowns, the full toll we won’t know for years. As I said, I wouldn’t stop testing but it’s apparent herd is achieved at a far lower level than initially believed. Herd is always the strategy and it’s been the strategy for humans for hundreds of years. Even with the vaccine, herd is still the strategy as it helps us get there.

That said, much Of the US is already there. It’s the reason everything is declining in southern states regardless of mask usage.

I’ll believe you aren’t hoping for death when every post you make doesn’t indicate the opposite. There is plenty of good news out there regarding COVID and I’ve never seen a single positive post by you yet countless negative ones. That tells me all I need to know.

Yep ABC world news leads into show treating covid death numbers like they are introducing a blockbuster movie. ABC morning news has been announcing we are approaching 6000 deaths for 2 weeks as if it's a count down to New Years. Sickening.

 

[CoastalVADawg]

In charge of implementing what you originally posted. As I explained above, I don't agree with everything.

I have posted many threads with links to actual first source data showing what a positive PCR really means even in a clinical setting, the issue with Ct values being too high, the high rate of false positives, the fact that asymptomatic people have never been drivers of epidemic spread, that 40-60% of the population have at least partial cellular immunity due to cross protection from exposure to other coronaviruses, improperly calling positive tests “cases”, proof that lockdowns and other human measure are making little if any impact on the virus (if anything they are causing more harm than good), that 60-70% herd immunity being cited is based on faulty models (more evidence that it is more like 20-40%), that an overwhelming majority of our population has a 99.9% survival rate with this virus.

Everything at this this point is driving unwarranted fear in the population. A lot of young people actually believe they will die or transmit it someone else who could die if they contract COVID. Most people have a greater risk of dying in a car accident driving to work or school than they do dying of COVID.

My policy: test only symptomatic individuals. If they are positive, confirm with a second test or just do what any rational person would do if they have the flu or bad cold - don’t go to work/school until symptoms subside. Many countries (like Belgium) are saying people only need to isolate 7 days now. For everyone else, go about your business. Practice good hygiene (wash hands, cover your mouth when you cough, don’t put your fingers in your mouth or nose). It’s funny how when this thing started, you couldn’t find a bottle of sanitizer, soap, or disinfectant on any store shelf. It’s like no one practiced basic hygiene before COVID. For nursing homes, all staff and guests must have a rapid antigen test for both COVID and influenza, and have their temperature taken before entering the facility. If you have had any respiratory or GI symptoms within the past 7 days, you must wait a a full 7 days before you are allowed access. Otherwise, let everyone go about their own daily lives. Open sporting venues, conventions, etc. This pandemic is over. We’ll have pockets of positive tests and illness that spike over the next few months because those areas locked down and didn’t allow immunity to develop in the healthy population.

 

[wstugamd]

If only we had experts in a field of diseases, that spoke up, that said hey this isn't going to be a huge problem in the general public.

 

[HarryDawg'95]

I have posted many threads with links to actual first source data showing what a positive PCR really means even in a clinical setting, the issue with Ct values being too high, the high rate of false positives, the fact that asymptomatic people have never been drivers of epidemic spread, that 40-60% of the population have at least partial cellular immunity due to cross protection from exposure to other coronaviruses, improperly calling positive tests “cases”, proof that lockdowns and other human measure are making little if any impact on the virus (if anything they are causing more harm than good), that 60-70% herd immunity being cited is based on faulty models (more evidence that it is more like 20-40%), that an overwhelming majority of our population has a 99.9% survival rate with this virus.

Everything at this this point is driving unwarranted fear in the population. A lot of young people actually believe they will die or transmit it someone else who could die if they contract COVID. Most people have a greater risk of dying in a car accident driving to work or school than they do dying of COVID.

My policy: test only symptomatic individuals. If they are positive, confirm with a second test or just do what any rational person would do if they have the flu or bad cold - don’t go to work/school until symptoms subside. Many countries (like Belgium) are saying people only need to isolate 7 days now. For everyone else, go about your business. Practice good hygiene (wash hands, cover your mouth when you cough, don’t put your fingers in your mouth or nose). It’s funny how when this thing started, you couldn’t find a bottle of sanitizer, soap, or disinfectant on any store shelf. It’s like no one practiced basic hygiene before COVID. For nursing homes, all staff and guests must have a rapid antigen test for both COVID and influenza, and have their temperature taken before entering the facility. If you have had any respiratory or GI symptoms within the past 7 days, you must wait a a full 7 days before you are allowed access. Otherwise, let everyone go about their own daily lives. Open sporting venues, conventions, etc. This pandemic is over. We’ll have pockets of positive tests and illness that spike over the next few months because those areas locked down and didn’t allow immunity to develop in the healthy population.

Hey man - do you mind posting links backing up the following? Thanks

the fact that asymptomatic people have never been drivers of epidemic spread, that 40-60% of the population have at least partial cellular immunity due to cross protection from exposure to other coronaviruses,

that 60-70% herd immunity being cited is based on faulty models (more evidence that it is more like 20-40%)

 

[Deadlyputter]

Death rates from Statista. US is number 51 worldwide.

COVID-19 death rate by country 2022 | Statista

COVID-19 deaths per capita were 2 to 3 times higher in Italy, the UK and Belgium than in the United States.

www.statista.com

 

[orangeisgay]

Ive seen people I thought were smart go totally dumb with fear over this china virus. Its also amazing that many of these people dont seem to want the good news when it comes out, they would rather wallow and revel in the bad news and fear porn that is being spewed out by the corrupt media and WHO. This is so sad and disturbing!

 

[LT Dawg07]

You are trying to stereotype too much as you consistently do. I must be seeing different media because I don't get the panic from what I read and see. Panic story - you're spewing such b.s. I've posted facts when I thought they were appropriate, but I can't remember the last story I have reported. I may have posted something recently, but you make it seem like it's more than a daily occurrence. You are so wrong because you have that so ingrained you can't think. Now Coastal has been doing a lot of thread posting, maybe you're thinking of him.

Again please find where I have commented about kids going back to school. I've pretty much, maybe totally, stayed out of that. But since you mentioned it, what is virtually no risk. You're at risk or you are not. Very young kids don't seem to transmit much, but it's not zero. And high school is a different story.

Your paragraph on herd immunity is okay, but we still don't know the level. But I don't see where much of the US is at herd immunity which you seem to be saying. No way.

"That tells me all I need to know." I'm glad that you know everything, so carry on. And I'm glad that you consider correcting wrong facts and information as being negative.

I mean you liked a post a few weeks ago saying “people won’t take this seriously until multiple college football athletes die”. I think the same guy used a 1% death rate for calculations.
Can you admit that was wrong based on the above?
What exactly made you like such a ridiculous post?
I take it you won’t be watching on Saturday if you truly believe multiple kids will die and thus disagree with playing?

Panic is any story highlighting a death of someone 30 and reasonably healthy. Those happen a lot despite the numbers showing those are extreme outliers.

panic is highlighting cases without context while ignoring hospitalizations, deaths, percent positive, etc. You have done this yourself.

Panic is all the almost joyful articles I saw about 200k deaths. I know you were pleased reading those.

Panic, again, is keeping kids out of school based on what we know. To respond “well it’s not zero” is ridiculously dumb. There will never be zero risk in life. If the regular flu is far more deadly to kids then I take it you will be against them going to school. The regular flu is actually more deadly to anyone under 50. Choosing to stunt growth for kids based on nothing But panic is panic.

Here is a survey from an investment firm about Americans beliefs on risk from COVID vs reality. Tell me again that panic isn’t being pushed to the masses by the media.

On My Mind: They Blinded Us From Science

www.franklintempleton.com

Cases, hospitalizations in NY, NJ and others fell off a cliff early. They reached roughly 20% seroprevalence so its likely to be around there. The same percentage saw the virus die off on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Sweden, now FL, GA, TX and other places. It’s getting better supported every day.

I didn’t say anything about correcting wrong facts being wrong. I said you take glee is posting negatively about the virus and still to this day have yet to have an organic positive post about it despite ample positive trends in your state of Florida and GA and nationally. Is there any other conclusion logical from that pattern?

 

[BigDawgs2010]

I have posted many threads with links to actual first source data showing what a positive PCR really means even in a clinical setting, the issue with Ct values being too high, the high rate of false positives, the fact that asymptomatic people have never been drivers of epidemic spread, that 40-60% of the population have at least partial cellular immunity due to cross protection from exposure to other coronaviruses, improperly calling positive tests “cases”, proof that lockdowns and other human measure are making little if any impact on the virus (if anything they are causing more harm than good), that 60-70% herd immunity being cited is based on faulty models (more evidence that it is more like 20-40%), that an overwhelming majority of our population has a 99.9% survival rate with this virus.

Everything at this this point is driving unwarranted fear in the population. A lot of young people actually believe they will die or transmit it someone else who could die if they contract COVID. Most people have a greater risk of dying in a car accident driving to work or school than they do dying of COVID.

My policy: test only symptomatic individuals. If they are positive, confirm with a second test or just do what any rational person would do if they have the flu or bad cold - don’t go to work/school until symptoms subside. Many countries (like Belgium) are saying people only need to isolate 7 days now. For everyone else, go about your business. Practice good hygiene (wash hands, cover your mouth when you cough, don’t put your fingers in your mouth or nose). It’s funny how when this thing started, you couldn’t find a bottle of sanitizer, soap, or disinfectant on any store shelf. It’s like no one practiced basic hygiene before COVID. For nursing homes, all staff and guests must have a rapid antigen test for both COVID and influenza, and have their temperature taken before entering the facility. If you have had any respiratory or GI symptoms within the past 7 days, you must wait a a full 7 days before you are allowed access. Otherwise, let everyone go about their own daily lives. Open sporting venues, conventions, etc. This pandemic is over. We’ll have pockets of positive tests and illness that spike over the next few months because those areas locked down and didn’t allow immunity to develop in the healthy population.

So why don't you apply for Fauci's job. Perfect plan IMO.

 

[CoastalVADawg]

So why don't you apply for Fauci's job. Perfect plan IMO.

Well, Fauci is almost 80 years old (it seems we have quite a few that age in key positions, which is scary), and while very accomplished he has largely been as much a beaurocrat as a scientist the past 30 years. He has been inconsistent at best during this COVID pandemic, and made a gross error when he compared the COVID cFR to influenza iFR, overstating the severity of COVID. Yesterday he got the better of Rand Paul during questioning because he is a better politician, not because science is on his side. Rand Paul was actually correct when talking about herd immunity and the known cross-immunity in a segment of the population because of other coronaviruses, both which he denied in smug fashion. Problem is, Paul was correct on both points but should have known better to confront Fauci in a public forum because, well, Fauci is the undisputed expert who is not to be questioned. There is actual published supporting both of Paul’s points, both that Fauci either flatly ignores or has no clue they exist (which I doubt). The very Institute he leads funded a study published in Science that proved cross-immunity. He even commented glowingly about the finding in August. And yet he blatantly lied to Senator Paul when he denied it. Of course, he won the optics battle and that’s all that matters to the media and those who have politicized this pandemic. Fauci is beurocratic hack that should be replaced. He had a good run but needs to step down. The power he has has obviously gotten to his head.

As for me, well, I’m no Harvard epidemiologist, which apparently is what is required from beltway beurocrats (and most liberals) to take you seriously. I’m also not a politician. I’m just a little ol’ DVM, so I’m not even a real doctor to most people.

 

[55dawg]

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Survival in ()
0-19 yrs: 0.003% (99.997%)
20-49 yrs: 0.02% (99.98%)
50-69 yrs: 0.5% (99.5%)
70+ yrs: 5.4% (94.6%)

Explain the panic please when there is more risk dying driving to work than dying ftom COVID.

Stop testing. Stop contact tracing. Send the kids to school. Practice good hygeine. Wear a mask if it makes you feel better. Protect the elderly, which we should be doing anyway.

80,000 of 200,000 were nursing home deaths. Huge stat that should be more of the conversation

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

80,000 of 200,000 were nursing home deaths. Huge stat that should be more of the conversation

So it's okay for 80,000 nursing home deaths? For the avoidance of doubt, I am being as sarcastic as I can possibly be.

 

[CoastalVADawg]

Hey man - do you mind posting links backing up the following? Thanks

the fact that asymptomatic people have never been drivers of epidemic spread, that 40-60% of the population have at least partial cellular immunity due to cross protection from exposure to other coronaviruses,

that 60-70% herd immunity being cited is based on faulty models (more evidence that it is more like 20-40%)

Happy to, although you can also make a little effort to search Dawgchat and find my threads that contain the links. But here you go:

**Regarding partial cellular immunity in a segment of the populace:

Pre-existing and de novo humoral immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in humans

Several related human coronaviruses (HCoVs) are endemic in the human population, causing mild respiratory infections[1][1]. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the etiologic agent of Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is a recent zoonotic infection that has quickly...

www.biorxiv.org

Why does COVID-19 strike some and not others? Fauci sees an answer in new study

Scientists believe they may have discovered why the novel coronavirus affects some people so much more than others.

amp.mcclatchydc.com

And the actual Science paper Fauci cited himself: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/04/science.abd3871

AAAS

immunology.sciencemag.org

**Regarding herd immunity:

Herd immunity may only need 10-20 per cent of people to be infected | The Spectator

www.spectator.co.uk

Herd immunity thresholds for SARS-CoV-2 estimated from unfolding epidemics

As severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spreads, the susceptible subpopulation declines causing the rate at which new infections occur to slow down. Variation in individual susceptibility or exposure to infection exacerbates this effect. Individuals that are more...

www.medrxiv.org

Why herd immunity to COVID-19 is reached much earlier than thought

By Nic Lewis Introduction A study published in March by the COVID-19 Response Team from Imperial College (Ferguson20[1]) appears to have been largely responsible for driving government actions in t…

judithcurry.com

With regard to asymptomatic carriers being major spreaders, that’s been true for just about every pandemic and even with influenza. That’s not to say asymptomatic transmission doesn’t occur - it most certainly does, and in fact it is essential at some level in order for herd immunity to occur. But it’s not the driver of hospitalizations and deaths, which is what everyone freaks about about. Even Anthony Fauci has commented on the historical insignificance of asymptomatic carriers as major spreaders of respiratory pathogens. And do you know about 50% of influenza cases are asymptomatic? Around 40-45% of COVID cases are asymptomatic, which is right in line with influenza. But why freak out about asymptomatic transmission when you have a 99.99% chance of survival?

 

[HarryDawg'95]

Thanks. Though none of that seems to be peer reviewed.

From yesterday’s senate hearings:

“Fauci also hit on this point later in the testimony, when countering Senator Rand Paul’s claim that parts of the country are close to achieving herd immunity. “If you believe 22 percent is herd immunity, you’re alone in that,” the doctor said, while discussing antibody rates in New York City. Shortly after, he struck down the idea that “cross-reactivity” from other pathogens could help boost the body’s defenses against the novel coronavirus: “There was a study that came out recently that preexisting immunity to the common cold does not cross react with COVID-19.”

I’m not sure whose freaking out - I have children in brick and mortar school - but just because you “survive” doesn’t mean the virus doesn’t have nasty short and long term effects.

 

[CoastalVADawg]

Thanks. Though none of that seems to be peer reviewed.

From yesterday’s senate hearings:

“Fauci also hit on this point later in the testimony, when countering Senator Rand Paul’s claim that parts of the country are close to achieving herd immunity. “If you believe 22 percent is herd immunity, you’re alone in that,” the doctor said, while discussing antibody rates in New York City. Shortly after, he struck down the idea that “cross-reactivity” from other pathogens could help boost the body’s defenses against the novel coronavirus: “There was a study that came out recently that preexisting immunity to the common cold does not cross react with COVID-19.”

I’m not sure whose freaking out - I have children in brick and mortar school - but just because you “survive” doesn’t mean the virus doesn’t have nasty short and long term effects.

There is literally a study from Science magazine that was funded by the Institute he heads. I included a link to the study as well as a link to an article about the study, which features several of his comments.

And here is another: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2770758

Literally nothing he says in his exchange with Paul was peer-reviewed.

 

[VokeyDawg]

Was that they guy who handed our freedom over to a bureaucrat, in violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution? That orange dude? The one who literally abdicated his responsibility and allowed the stupid lockdowns to take root? Trump is on the other side of whatever is really going on, and you boat parade MAGA guys are going to be caught unprepared because you have actually trusted him, even after he left Flynn hanging and kept Sessions in place long enough for Huber to destroy all evidence implicating the Clintons.

It's a small club, and we ain't in it. POTUS has succeeded in keeping you on the sidelines with his 3+ year pep rally tour. That was what he was told to do, and he has served his masters well.

At least those 18 armored divisions headed from Bahrain and UAE to take Jerusalem turned around. That's an accomplishment of phenomenal magnitude.

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

Another factual defeat for Roy Mercer

There are literally thousands of those. That dude has not been right yet about anything, and he has been railing on here for over a decade. Its an amazing record.

 

[D Dawg]

There are literally thousands of those. That dude has not been right yet about anything, and he has been railing on here for over a decade. Its an amazing record.

It’s a spoof account or at least I hope it is.

 

[dirtytoeddawg]

I have posted many threads with links to actual first source data showing what a positive PCR really means even in a clinical setting, the issue with Ct values being too high, the high rate of false positives, the fact that asymptomatic people have never been drivers of epidemic spread, that 40-60% of the population have at least partial cellular immunity due to cross protection from exposure to other coronaviruses, improperly calling positive tests “cases”, proof that lockdowns and other human measure are making little if any impact on the virus (if anything they are causing more harm than good), that 60-70% herd immunity being cited is based on faulty models (more evidence that it is more like 20-40%), that an overwhelming majority of our population has a 99.9% survival rate with this virus.

Everything at this this point is driving unwarranted fear in the population. A lot of young people actually believe they will die or transmit it someone else who could die if they contract COVID. Most people have a greater risk of dying in a car accident driving to work or school than they do dying of COVID.

My policy: test only symptomatic individuals. If they are positive, confirm with a second test or just do what any rational person would do if they have the flu or bad cold - don’t go to work/school until symptoms subside. Many countries (like Belgium) are saying people only need to isolate 7 days now. For everyone else, go about your business. Practice good hygiene (wash hands, cover your mouth when you cough, don’t put your fingers in your mouth or nose). It’s funny how when this thing started, you couldn’t find a bottle of sanitizer, soap, or disinfectant on any store shelf. It’s like no one practiced basic hygiene before COVID. For nursing homes, all staff and guests must have a rapid antigen test for both COVID and influenza, and have their temperature taken before entering the facility. If you have had any respiratory or GI symptoms within the past 7 days, you must wait a a full 7 days before you are allowed access. Otherwise, let everyone go about their own daily lives. Open sporting venues, conventions, etc. This pandemic is over. We’ll have pockets of positive tests and illness that spike over the next few months because those areas locked down and didn’t allow immunity to develop in the healthy population.

 

[wooly_bugger]

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[HarryDawg'95]

There is literally a study from Science magazine that was funded by the Institute he heads. I included a link to the study as well as a link to an article about the study, which features several of his comments.

And here is another: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2770758

Literally nothing he says in his exchange with Paul was peer-reviewed.

Looks like that study was refuted. I’d love to be approaching herd immunity. Unfortunately, we’re not close and this virus and the associated restrictions will be with us we’ll into next year.

Herd Immunity Study Rand Paul Cited Against Fauci Refutes Senetor's Claims

The paper Paul cited suggested herd immunity could be reached at just over 40 percent, which is far below the 22 percent infection rate in New York.

www.newsweek.com