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Clemson....Watson!

dieharddawg62

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Can you believe that we don't have this Watson kid playing for Georgia? What a bunch of freakin idiots we had in Athens to let him get away.

That right there is enough to have gotten them all fired. But we got to have this guy from the other side of the country that looks like he's playing Fredrica Academy.
 
What drives You to keep pounding on this 62 ? it serves no purpose at all.
For the record, Richt coached QBs own most every SEC record. QB play was not a problem in His tenure, compared to every other league team that is. UF, Bama, LSU, Auburn, they've all had more gaps in QB play than We have.
 
Do you really think he would have been put into the position to do this well at UGA?

Richt's record at developing QBs completely surpasses what Dabo will likely ever do.

I have to wonder WTF is wrong with people where they have to keep grinding on Richt.
 
Richt's record at developing QBs completely surpasses what Dabo will likely ever do.

I have to wonder WTF is wrong with people where they have to keep grinding on Richt.

Richt's a great QB coach, but he sat on his butt while our QBs struggled mightily and did nothing. He's also responsible for having no QBs fit to play at UGA, although if Brice Ramsey had started the season, we'd probably be better off. Don't get me started on starting Bauta against Florida, which was mind bogglingly stupid. It was an obvious an act of desperation.
 
No question that Richt could develop QBs. The problem was that Watson was under our nose and we let him get away (chasing Jacob Park that year). Watson would've fit more like Murray or Shockley into what we did (as opposed to the styles of Greene or Stafford), but he would've fit. We were poor evaluators of QB talent the last few years (LeMay, Park, Ramsey). Ramsey could still develop. I think he regressed under Shotty (compared to Belk Bowl performance).
 
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What drives You to keep pounding on this 62 ? it serves no purpose at all.
For the record, Richt coached QBs own most every SEC record. QB play was not a problem in His tenure, compared to every other league team that is. UF, Bama, LSU, Auburn, they've all had more gaps in QB play than We have.

That'd be an absolutely fantastic statistic...if Richt had been the QB coach/OC and not the head coach. Unfortunately, the HC's job is to win championships.
 
What drives You to keep pounding on this 62 ? it serves no purpose at all.
For the record, Richt coached QBs own most every SEC record. QB play was not a problem in His tenure, compared to every other league team that is. UF, Bama, LSU, Auburn, they've all had more gaps in QB play than We have.
I'll tell you why. I'm watching the kid play and he eons better than any of our quarterbacks. It pisses me off. That's why!
 
Dabo and Chad Morris offered him in the 9th grade. They just developed the relationship early.
 
Watson was never UGA's to get...he was Clemson all the way....if I remember correctly, Auburn was his #2 choice....UGA never stood a chance, so why beat yourself up?l
 
That's not what I heard. I heard he was interested in playing at Georgia and we waited to late.
 
I'm pretty sure that Watson made the right decision.
 
You can add Cam to your list of guys Richt didn't recruit, and include Nick Marshall on your roster of studs Richt refused to play at QB. Hell, he would have put Tebow at tight end.

Look, I understand Richt was wedded to the pro style offense. But what I don't understand is how he didn't see what is totally obvious: College football is a star's game, where one player can carry a team to a national title game. Michael Vick, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Newton, Marshall, (possibly) Watson, etc.

When you have a chance to get someone like that, you do it, then adjust your offense. But Richt was totally inflexible and would never even consider it . He stuck with his offense through thick and thin, even when he didn't have an offensive line that could that could protect, a running back that could block, receivers that could catch, or a quarterback that could throw.

And yes, you don't have to have all the pieces if you have a defense like Alabama's -- which, of course, we never had after Van Gorder left.
 
Richt's record at developing QBs completely surpasses what Dabo will likely ever do.

I have to wonder WTF is wrong with people where they have to keep grinding on Richt.


You are nuts if you believe that.

In fifteen years, Richt produced David Greene, D.J. Shockley, Matt Stafford, Aaron Murray and a bunch of guys who weren't very good.

Issue part 1: Greene and Shockley weren't Richt recruits.

Issue part 2: Since Richt has relied on his on recruiting for the QB position, he has had more misses (Bauta, Lambert, Mason, Joe Tereshinski, Joe Cox) than hits. In other words, take away one guy who played 3 years and another guy who was a 4 year starter (and in both cases guys Stafford and Murray were thrown in too early because no one else was good enough) and you had real problems at that position.

Issue 3: Dabo Swinney has only been head coach since 2008. In that time he has had a QB that has already accomplished more than David Greene did in that Boyd won 1 conference title (like Greene), played in two major bowl games (Greene played in 1) and won 1 against an elite team (the Ohio State team that won a national title the next season where Greene's Sugar Bowl was against a 9-5 FSU team playing a third string QB - and during the game actually started playing their WR at QB).

Swinney's current QB, Watson, likely won't be the #1 overall pick like Matt Stafford because he is a 6'1" (maybe he will be 6'2" by then) dual threat guy, but in winning the ACC, leading an undefeated regular season and getting the team into the playoff he has already done more for his program than Stafford ever did. (And more than Murray, Greene, Shockley etc. ever did).

Swinney's first QB, Kyle Parker, led Clemson to a 9-4 and then a 6-7 season in his freshmen and sophomore years. Then he lost the job to Tajh Boyd, left to play baseball and is now a reserve left fielder for the Colorado Rockies. That is, er, equivalent to anything that a UGA QB other than Stafford, Shockley and Greene accomplished under Richt (either winning the SEC or playing in a BCS bowl; Parker did neither and the same goes for the Murray/Cox/Tereshinksi/Lambert/Mason contingent).

Another thing: after hiring Chad Morris and replacing Morris with his pair of co-coordinators (who have actually put in a better system than Morris, as Clemson now has a 1000 yard rusher in Wayne Gallman where under Morris Clemson would live and die by the pass Big 12 style) Clemson has a real offensive system that they use to recruit and develop QBs and the players around them. And it only took Dabo 3-4 years to figure that out and put it in. By contrast, Richt never developed a consistent system or identity on offense in the 15 years he was at UGA.

For the future? In this recruiting class, Clemson has Zerrick Cooper, who is not a 5 star guy like Watson but he is a good dual threat QB and he is from Georgia. In the last recruiting class, Clemson bagged Kelly Bryant, who also is not rated as high as Watson, but is taller (6'4"), a dual threat guy from South Carolina and was the #11 QB in the country. See the pattern? Clemson recruits dual threat QBs from South Carolina and north Georgia; guys who they can extensively scout IN PERSON by sending members of their coaching staff to their games because they are only recruiting QBs that live within a few hours of the South Carolina campus. Not guys like Faton Bauta, Christian LeMay, Logan Gray, Joe Cox and Hutson Mason who wind up at UGA with high recruiting rankings but noodle arms, overrated speed and/or an inability to pick up the offense.

Add it all up and UGA only produced 3 QBs who really ever did anything special under Richt; 2 of those guys Richt didn't recruit. With Boyd and Watson (two guys that Swinney DID recruit; the former of whom actually won the job over a guy that the previous head coach ahd recruited!) in place, Swinney has already secured 2 conference titles, won a major bowl game and gotten into the national championship playoff (and under the BCS, the title game would be between Clemson and Alabama by the way. Even under the old system, the game would have been between Clemson and Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, with Oklahoma playing Notre Dame in the Orange and Stanford and Michigan State in the Rose hoping for an Alabama "upset" to give them a shot at a shared title. Ah, those were the days ...). So basically, Swinney's 3 QBs have already done more than UGA's 6 under Richt, and anything extra that either his current QB or any of his subsequent QBs accomplish will merely widen the gap.
 
You can add Cam to your list of guys Richt didn't recruit, and include Nick Marshall on your roster of studs Richt refused to play at QB. Hell, he would have put Tebow at tight end.

Look, I understand Richt was wedded to the pro style offense. But what I don't understand is how he didn't see what is totally obvious: College football is a star's game, where one player can carry a team to a national title game. Michael Vick, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Newton, Marshall, (possibly) Watson, etc.

When you have a chance to get someone like that, you do it, then adjust your offense. But Richt was totally inflexible and would never even consider it . He stuck with his offense through thick and thin, even when he didn't have an offensive line that could that could protect, a running back that could block, receivers that could catch, or a quarterback that could throw.

And yes, you don't have to have all the pieces if you have a defense like Alabama's -- which, of course, we never had after Van Gorder left.

I can't entirely agree here. There is a lot to be said for running a pro-style offense. Lest we forget, this is precisely what Alabama ran when they were at their best and won back-to-back national titles under A.J. McCarron. A pro-style offense is also what USC won when they won their 2 national titles and played for a third, and what FSU ran with their national title under Weinke (with Richt as OC) and also with their title with Jameis Winston. You can even say that Ohio State largely abandoned their option offense to win the national title with a very simple version of a pro-style offense last year.

Yes, a guy can carry a team to a title in college, but that isn't ideal. It marginalizes the rest of the talent on the team, and you are also up the creek without a paddle if the guy gets hurt or simply graduates. Funny that you had Young, Tebow and Newton on there. Texas abandoned a pro-style offense that they used to put high draft picks at RB in the NFL (Ricky Williams, Cedric Benson) in favor of a QB-centered attack, and when Brown no longer had Young or Colt McCoy pulling the trigger his whole program fell apart. The same thing happened with Urban Meyer at Florida when Tim Tebow left: he was out of Gainesville "to spend more time with his family because of health issues" a year later. Gene Chizik was fired 2 years after losing Newton, and Gus Malzahn will almost certainly be fired next year too.

Richt's failures were not refusing to follow the crowd and go with the zone read spread. It is looking more and more like the zone read is a fad anyway ... 3 of the 4 teams in the playoffs don't run it (Michigan State, Alabama, Oklahoma) and the 4th team, Clemson, looks a lot more like what the Carolina Panthers, Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers etc. have been doing the past few years than any college option offense. (Gene Chizik, who is the DC at Carolina, tried to use blitzes and coverages to confuse Watson during the ACC title game, but Watson consistently read the defenses and made checks at the line. Then Clemson made second half adjustments to get their running game going, and Gallman tore them up in the second half.) While I do use Richt's failure to see that Newton and Watson were obviously good passers as a mark against him, Richt's main failure was an inability to implement a successful offense regardless of who he recruited. Remember: 2008 happened with Matt Stafford (plus A.J. Green and Knowshon Moreno).
 
What drives You to keep pounding on this 62 ? it serves no purpose at all.
For the record, Richt coached QBs own most every SEC record. QB play was not a problem in His tenure, compared to every other league team that is. UF, Bama, LSU, Auburn, they've all had more gaps in QB play than We have.

But I can name 3 QBs that Richt recruited as either a tight end, a defensive back, or recruited too late at QB. sCam Newton, the guy that left UGA and went to Auburn, and Watson. Here's the kicker...they all played for a NC as a QB! We had tunnel vision in recruiting QBs sometimes.
 
Watson's coach was a Clemson guy that put Morris on him in the 8th grade. I think Clemson had such a lead, Richt never had a shot with DW.. The visit was a courtesy call out of respect for the UGA program, a respect DW still has..
 
Dabo and Chad Morris offered him in the 9th grade. They just developed the relationship early.
He was a life long Clemson fan for some reason and nobody else got a smell. He doesn't need coaching which is a good thing because dumbo and Scott could not provide it. If one will notice he seldom looks to the bench he just runs the offense. Look for doofus to try to keep him from going pro.
 
Said the Carolina fan , what would Muschamp do to develop Watson ?
 
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Clemson's season will end as disappointing as any other. The trophies they give for making the playoffs are mere Participation Trophies. While Clemson was acting like they won the superbowl, Bama was business as usual... Oklahoma is going to torch the Clemp'sons.... Bama will Torch Michigan state and after that, the whole thing resets for another year....
 
He was a life long Clemson fan for some reason and nobody else got a smell. He doesn't need coaching which is a good thing because dumbo and Scott could not provide it. If one will notice he seldom looks to the bench he just runs the offense. Look for doofus to try to keep him from going pro.
That is not true. He wanted to go to Georgia all along. Richt and Bobo were wishy washy about him until the last minute. Many of my friends from Gainesville say that couldn't figure out why Georgia didn't come at him hard. Then at the last minute they made a run, by then it was too late. He told them he was already committed to Clemson. Another reason that they are gone.
 
That is not true. He wanted to go to Georgia all along. Richt and Bobo were wishy washy about him until the last minute. Many of my friends from Gainesville say that couldn't figure out why Georgia didn't come at him hard. Then at the last minute they made a run, by then it was too late. He told them he was already committed to Clemson. Another reason that they are gone.


I'm sorry but your friends are wrong , what I'm telling you is no revelation, it's common knowledge.. He tells it in an Acc mini- documentary, you can find it on YouTube..
 
Clemson's season will end as disappointing as any other. The trophies they give for making the playoffs are mere Participation Trophies. While Clemson was acting like they won the superbowl, Bama was business as usual... Oklahoma is going to torch the Clemp'sons.... Bama will Torch Michigan state and after that, the whole thing resets for another year....

Ok , they gonna torch us like last year .. You remember that game , the one DW didn't play in..
 
Their Qb is better ?
Their RB is better ?
Their receivers are better ?
Their O-line is better?
TheirD is better?
 
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