Does the Muslim flight attendant's refusal to serve alcohol compare...?

[Boost Assendahm]

Does the Muslim flight attendant's refusal (prefers not to on religious grounds) to serve alcohol to guests/customers during her assigned shifts on her airline's flights compare at all to the KY clerk's refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples (reportedly due to religious convictions as well)? One lady's a government employee, and the other works in the "private sector." That part is different, but shouldn't ALL challenges to laws and policies (private or public) based on religious convictions be treated the same way for all citizens of all religions/sects? Equality seems to be such a moving target for our culture. We have earned a place in high global standing as regards "cherry picking." We do love to pick laws, rules, regulations and religious verses that best suit our mood of the moment.

 

[whitepug6]

Does the Muslim flight attendant's refusal (prefers not to on religious grounds) to serve alcohol to guests/customers during her assigned shifts on her airline's flights compare at all to the KY clerk's refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples (reportedly due to religious convictions as well)? One lady's a government employee, and the other works in the "private sector." That part is different, but shouldn't ALL challenges to laws and policies (private or public) based on religious convictions be treated the same way for all citizens of all religions/sects? Equality seems to be such a moving target for our culture. We have earned a place in high global standing as regards "cherry picking." We do love to pick laws, rules, regulations and religious verses that best suit our mood of the moment.

Would you support a government official who was a Quaker who refused to issue gun permits based on a religious commitment to pacifism?

The point is, this court clerk is not being jailed for practicing her religion. She is being jailed for using the government to force others to practice HER religion.

 

[Boost Assendahm]

Would you support a government official who was a Quaker who refused to issue gun permits based on a religious commitment to pacifism?

The point is, this court clerk is not being jailed for practicing her religion. She is being jailed for using the government to force others to practice HER religion.

Are there Quaker flight attendants, too? Gonna be tough to get a drink on airplanes. I believe that if your religion/ethics/morals get in the way of your performing your job (unless you're self employed) according to your company/department policies and procedures or your management team's guidelines and directives, then you need to be subject to corrective action up to and including dismissal as appropriate. Equality and rights should matter for ALL of us, equally.

And for what it's worth, I do not think religious organizations should get any more of a tax break than any other individual, organization or business. I also believe that there should be one standard for public behavior, particularly when one is in direct contact (conducting business or discussing options) with a government official in any capacity at any level of government.

 

[whitepug6]

Are there Quaker flight attendants, too? Gonna be tough to get a drink on airplanes. I believe that if your religion/ethics/morals get in the way of your performing your job (unless you're self employed) according to your company/department policies and procedures or your management team's guidelines and directives, then you need to be subject to corrective action up to and including dismissal as appropriate. Equality and rights should matter for ALL of us, equally.

And for what it's worth, I do not think religious organizations should get any more of a tax break than any other individual, organization or business. I also believe that there should be one standard for public behavior, particularly when one is in direct contact (conducting business or discussing options) with a government official in any capacity at any level of government.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Fivehade]

Does the Muslim flight attendant's refusal (prefers not to on religious grounds) to serve alcohol to guests/customers during her assigned shifts on her airline's flights compare at all to the KY clerk's refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples (reportedly due to religious convictions as well)? One lady's a government employee, and the other works in the "private sector." That part is different, but shouldn't ALL challenges to laws and policies (private or public) based on religious convictions be treated the same way for all citizens of all religions/sects? Equality seems to be such a moving target for our culture. We have earned a place in high global standing as regards "cherry picking." We do love to pick laws, rules, regulations and religious verses that best suit our mood of the moment.

This is another example of first world problem .... Who could possibly even GAS about a Muslim flight attendant not giving them a beer or a mini bottle on a flight? Most sane people have other crap to worry about

 

[StoneColdKillerDawg]

This is another example of first world problem .... Who could possibly even GAS about a Muslim flight attendant not giving them a beer or a mini bottle on a flight? Most sane people have other crap to worry about

Exactly...like trying to stay alert so that they can stop said Muslim flight attendant from carrying out her REAL purpose for being on that flight...

 

[Boost Assendahm]

This is another example of first world problem .... Who could possibly even GAS about a Muslim flight attendant not giving them a beer or a mini bottle on a flight? Most sane people have other crap to worry about

Fair enough, but what exactly do you worry about, and more importantly, what exactly are you doing about it?

 

[1966septemberdawg]

Would you support a government official who was a Quaker who refused to issue gun permits based on a religious commitment to pacifism?

The point is, this court clerk is not being jailed for practicing her religion. She is being jailed for using the government to force others to practice HER religion.

A Quaker has more class than to take a government job. Bad example.

 

[Fivehade]

Fair enough, but what exactly do you worry about, and more importantly, what exactly are you doing about it?

I spend my Time thinking about my house payment and my kids college fund, stuff like that . Spend some concern also about my gardening and upkeep of my place and vehicles.

I also wonder about which QB the dawgs will play all season

 

[dieharddawg62]

I spend my Time thinking about my house payment and my kids college fund, stuff like that . Spend some concern also about my gardening and upkeep of my place and vehicles.

I also wonder about which QB the dawgs will play all season

Amen.

 

[im4thedawgs]

This is another example of first world problem .... Who could possibly even GAS about a Muslim flight attendant not giving them a beer or a mini bottle on a flight? Most sane people have other crap to worry about

Difference is the Muslim flight attendant accepted the job knowing serving alcohol was part of the job description. The lady in jail had the "rules" changed on her, since issuing marriage licenses to gays wasn't the law (is it even now since congress never passed one?) when she accepted her position. Not only do judges write laws, now they also run the NFL.

 

[whitepug6]

A Quaker has more class than to take a government job. Bad example.

Really? Then how do you explain two Quaker Presidents of the United States, both in the 20th century---Herbert Hoover and Richard M. Nixon?

 

[1966septemberdawg]

Really? Then how do you explain two Quaker Presidents of the United States, both in the 20th century---Herbert Hoover and Richard M. Nixon?

That was back when a politician was not a lying,whoring, thieving sleazebag of a profession. I mean that most sincerely.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Would you support a government official who was a Quaker who refused to issue gun permits based on a religious commitment to pacifism?

The point is, this court clerk is not being jailed for practicing her religion. She is being jailed for using the government to force others to practice HER religion.

Incorrect. She was jailed because she ignored a court order. It wasn't because she forced anyone to do anything. That is like saying when gays target Christian companies to bake wedding cakes, the refusal to make the cake is forcing beliefs on the customer. Actually, the gays are trying to force their beliefs on the company owner.

While I appreciate her stance, she should have been fired for ignoring her management directive.

If a flight attendant has a job description that says you will serve alcohol to customers, you will be required to serve alcohol. If you don't want to do it, why did you apply and take the job? You don't take a job, understanding the rules, then tell your boss what you will do.

The difference is that the clerks job description changed after she we already hired and had been on the job for years.

If you don't like the duty, don't apply. Don't take a job that conflicts with your beliefs. If the job changes, and you don't like it, quit.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Does the Muslim flight attendant's refusal (prefers not to on religious grounds) to serve alcohol to guests/customers during her assigned shifts on her airline's flights compare at all to the KY clerk's refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples (reportedly due to religious convictions as well)? One lady's a government employee, and the other works in the "private sector." That part is different, but shouldn't ALL challenges to laws and policies (private or public) based on religious convictions be treated the same way for all citizens of all religions/sects? Equality seems to be such a moving target for our culture. We have earned a place in high global standing as regards "cherry picking." We do love to pick laws, rules, regulations and religious verses that best suit our mood of the moment.

Also, if I wanted a drink, I would just ask another flight attendant. Problem solved.
If I want a cake made, I would just go find someone to make my cake.

Abortion is legal, but it doesn't give the government the right to force me to have an abortion.

That way, I am not "forcing" my beliefs or morality on others.

 

[Boost Assendahm]

That pretty much sums up my "belief system." No one should be forced to do something that flies in the face of his/her belief system or religious convictions, UNLESS by not performing that particular act, the offender can or does cause physical harm to any other citizen present at the time of his/her refusal to perform that act or duty. Pretty simple. It has become exceedingly tiresome for most of us to be told that accepting or tolerating a particular act or belief system or life style is NOT enough, that we should totally and unconditionally embrace that act/belief system/religion/lifestyle or be castigated as mean/intolerant/hater/criminals. Why can't we say and believe and act as if we like/love you, but do not like/embrace/love what you do/say/believe? "All or nothing" is a hard sell......for any of us.