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2,030,530 background checks, which only measure a portion of gun sales, as many transactions are legally conducted without such checks. And of course it does not include illegal transactions.

You might think, "That's still a lot of gun sales in 2017." But, not so fast; that's the number of checks conducted in JANUARY 2018, down 13,000 from that month a year ago.

The article, from the anti-gun lunatics at Bloomberg.com, did not specify what type firearms are being purchased, but I figure it is safe to assume most are high-cap rifles and pistols.

Go ahead and ban them. What a laugh.

I have somewhere in excess of 100 high-capacity AR magazines and maybe another 50 pistol magazines. I accumulated most all of them and many ARs in the late 90s when I was enjoying shooting with friends. Guess what was banned during that period. (Hint: Federal Assault Weapons Ban)

From the Wiki page regarding effectiveness of the Federal ban on assault weapons and high-cap magazines:
Studies on effectiveness of the legislation[edit]
A 2002 study by Koper and Roth found that around the time when the ban became law, assault weapon prices increased significantly, but this increase was reversed in the several months afterward due to a surge in assault weapons production that occurred just before the ban took effect.[2]

In 2003, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services, an independent, non-federal task force, examined an assortment of firearms laws, including the AWB, and found "insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence".[31] A 2004 critical review of firearms research by a National Research Council committee said that an academic study of the assault weapon ban "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence outcomes". The committee noted that the study's authors said the guns were used criminally with relative rarity before the ban and that its maximum potential effect on gun violence outcomes would be very small.[1]

In 2004, a research report commissioned by the National Institute of Justice found that should the ban be renewed, its effects on gun violence would likely be small, and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons", are rarely used in gun crimes. That study by Christopher S. Koper, Daniel J. Woods, and Jeffrey A. Roth of the Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania found no statistically significant evidence that either the assault weapons ban or the ban on magazines holding more than 10 rounds had reduced gun murders. The authors also report that "there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence, based on indicators like the percentage of gun crimes resulting in death or the share of gunfire incidents resulting in injury." [32]

In 2004, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence examined the impact of the Assault Weapons Ban, On Target: The Impact of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Act. Examining 1.4 million guns involved in crime, "in the five-year period before enactment of the Federal Assault Weapons Act (1990–1994), assault weapons named in the Act constituted 4.82% of the crime gun traces ATF conducted nationwide. Since the law's enactment, however, these assault weapons have made up only 1.61% of the guns ATF has traced to crime. Page 10 of the Brady report, however, adds that "an evaluation of copycat weapons is necessary". Including "copycat weapons", the report concluded that "in the post-ban period, the same group of guns has constituted 3.1% of ATF traces, a decline of 45%."[33] A spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) stated that he "can in no way vouch for the validity" of the report.[34]

A study conducted by Dube in 2013, showed that the passing of the FAWB in 1994 had an insignificant impact on violent crime in Mexico, while the expiration of the FAWB in 2004 combined with political instability was correlated with an increase in gun-related homicides among Mexican municipalities near the border.[35] Also in 2013, Koper reviewed the literature on the ban's effects and concluded that its effects on crimes committed with assault weapons were mixed due to its various loopholes. He also concluded that the ban did not seem to affect gun crime rates, but may have been able to reduce shootings if it had been renewed in 2004.[36]

Research by gun avocate John Lott found no impact of these bans on violent crime rates,[37] but provided evidence that the bans may have reduced the number of gun shows by over 20 percent.[38] Koper, Woods, and Roth studies focus on gun murders, while Lott's look at murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assaults. Unlike their work, Lott's research accounted for state assault weapon bans and 12 other different types of gun control laws.

In a 2013 report Samantha Bricknell from the Australian Institute of Criminology, Frederic Lemieux and Tim Prenzler compared mass shootings between America and Australia and found the "1996 NFA coincided within the cessation of mass shooting events" in Australia, and that there were reductions in America that were evident during the 1994–2004 US Federal Assault Weapon Ban.[3]
 
As I have said many times before, sadly, the party of Reagan has become the party of crazy.

Actually, a lot of Pub politicians agree with Reagan, they are just too scared of losing a Pub challenge in the primary when the NRA gets its panties in a wad
 
As I have said many times before, sadly, the party of Reagan has become the party of crazy.

Actually, a lot of Pub politicians agree with Reagan, they are just too scared of losing a Pub challenge in the primary when the NRA gets its panties in a wad

Let me ask you. Which of these guns should be banned?? Serious question

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You're right, proudly, I don't know a damn thing about guns other than one wiped out 14 kids and three adults in Parkland Florida last week.
 
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You're right, proudly, I don't know a damn thing about guns other than one wiped out 14 kids and three adults in Parkland Florida last week.

You don't know anything....but you know you want to ban them? The gun above is exactly like the AR15. Its the same caliber, can hold 30, 50, 100 round magazines.....And its almost every boy's starting rifle...........Kids.....I bought my son's that very gun when they were 10
 
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You're right, proudly, I don't know a damn thing about guns other than one wiped out 14 kids and three adults in Parkland Florida last week.
So, you don't know a damn thing about them, yet you subject us to your infinite opinions on what we need to do about them? And you wonder why we do not take your opinions seriously?
 
Let me ask you. Which of these guns should be banned?? Serious question

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Ohh, the ones on the bottom look scary! Let's make sure only the criminals have access to them. The Ruger 10/22 is one of the best shooting guns I have ever had. Accurate, dependable and cost effective to shoot.
I do not understand gays, but I am not calling for them to be exterminated or taken out of the public. You must educate yourself on the issues before you inflict your snap judgement on a whole nation. Ask a surviving Jewish person from WW II in Germany how the gun confiscation worked for them. The second amendment is all about protection from a tyrannical form of government and our means to prevent a government from walking over us and taking what they want. It also provides for personal protection from the bad guys. If someone breaks in my home I will not dial 911 and wait. I will control the situation and then call 911 to have the police either haul the dead perp off or take him to jail.
 
You're right, proudly, I don't know a damn thing about guns other than one wiped out 14 kids and three adults in Parkland Florida last week.

This is the problem with most liberal arguments on guns. They don’t understand them at all. I’ll make it easy for you as a multiple gun owner. If you want to ban guns you have to ban essentially all semi automatics. All of them. Pistols and rifles. Then you have to put a magazine capacity limit on the remaining shotguns and require only bolt action rifles (thus shotguns for hike defense and bolt action rifles for hunting-you can’t spray bullets indiscriminately with a bolt action win a four round magazine but you certainly can kill a deer or five people before reloading). Thus leaving shotguns (semi auto okay here but no extended magazine and 6 shot max) and bolt action rifles with a maximum four round magazine. Otherwise, rolo, myself or any gun owner will point out that “assault weapons”means nothing and if you ban ar 15’s the gun enthusiasts will just move to a different gun. You will play whack a mole forever trying to ban the new armalite (ar) 15 named something else. Also what you fail to realize is, that other than the Las Vegas shooting, all of the other mass shootings could just have easily been carried out with four pistols with extended 20-40 round magazines. Yes the ar is the preferred weapon of choice presently, but ban it and another firearm will become the gun of choice.

Further, I don’t think the USA is presently ready to ban all semi automatic weapons. Some will continue to argue about assault weapons while the nra and gun owners will silently snicker knowing what I just taught you.

So, if you want to actually discuss gun safety etc... then I think it would behoove you to understand that semiautomatic firearms (pistols and rifles all of them) are the mass casualty problem. They are also a huge problem in inner city violence and the pistol is the weapon of choice for suicide to completion. Some will argue they could do the same with a revolver and rapid reload as a semiautomatic and as a gun owner I say bullshat. The 17 year old last week sure as hell would have been stopped much more quickly with only revolver, a four shot bolt action rifle, or a six shot shotgun.

The final issue is what to do about all the guns (360 million or more) presently in private ownership in the USA. You’d have to confiscate and gun buyback all the semiautomatic pistols and rifles. I guess it could happen but good luck with that. If it occurred there would be a five year period where law abiding citizens might be less safe. During that period (took about that long for Australia) the first to be disarmed would be law abiding citizens and inner city thugs by stop and frisk and caught in crimes.

This will be probably the last time I write this summary for the liberals because unless this occurs none of what you’re presently talking about (assault weapons ban, magazine capacity limits, bump stock ban) will make any difference. Take a screenshot and share it for other folks who just don’t understand the issue. You are good hearted folks and do want to make our country more safe even though you are presently misguided by your ignorance of guns.
 
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