Gurley is stuck with maybe the worst OL in the history of The NFL..

[HeulenHund2]

I think he has 7 yards on 16 carries in his 2 games active with The Rams.
I can't imagine there being a worse run blocking team, defenders are on TG as soon as he touch's the ball. The man deserves far better, The Rams should do the right thing and trade him NOW.

 

[dieharddawg62]

I think he has 7 yards on 16 carries in his 2 games active with The Rams.
I can't imagine there being a worse run blocking team, defenders are on TG as soon as he touch's the ball. The man deserves far better, The Rams should do the right thing and trade him NOW.

He should be used to it by now.

 

[HeulenHund2]

He should be used to it by now.

You clearly know nothing about blocking. Gurley got excellent blocking at UGA, as do our backs this season.
I don't know what Your agenda is, but You keep telling on Yourself.

I was off a bit in the OP. Gurley has 10 carries for 11 yards in his 1 and 1/2 games active with The Rams. He is forced to run laterally along or behind the line till the OL, which is also moving laterally, creates a crease, it's a slow to develop scheme and The Rams are about as bad at it as they possibly could be.

 

[dieharddawg62]

You clearly know nothing about blocking. Gurley got excellent blocking at UGA, as do our backs this season.
I don't know what Your agenda is, but You keep telling on Yourself.

I was off a bit in the OP. Gurley has 10 carries for 11 yards in his 1 and 1/2 games active with The Rams. He is forced to run laterally along or behind the line till the OL, which is also moving laterally, creates a crease, it's a slow to develop scheme and The Rams are about as bad at it as they possibly could be.

To get your goat, you're easy.

 

[HeulenHund2]

To get your goat, you're easy.

Sure, I'm buying that.

 

[dieharddawg62]

My agenda is to get Richt gone. I'm so sick of him.

 

[HeulenHund2]

My agenda is to get Richt gone. I'm so sick of him.

Like the women who get tired of shoes after a week, You need perspective.
Mostly though, You need to stick to facts, something the anti-Obama crowd should learn as well.
Coach Richt does many things extremely well, he just has a consistency issue.
Our rep is to basically not show up for a least 1 game a season, and often 2 or 3.
That is the truth, so it's fair to point it out in my view of things. If he could only keep his drive/focus..whatever every week for a full season We might finally win a title.

 

[dieharddawg62]

Like the women who get tired of shoes after a week, You need perspective.
Mostly though, You need to stick to facts, something the anti-Obama crowd should learn as well.
Coach Richt does many things extremely well, he just has a consistency issue.
Our rep is to basically not show up for a least 1 game a season, and often 2 or 3.
That is the truth, so it's fair to point it out in my view of things. If he could only keep his drive/focus..whatever every week for a full season We might finally win a title.

We can't get him to even consider a special teams coach. He's not going to change after 15 years.

 

[Fivehade]

had a pretty good game yesterday

 

[HeulenHund2]

had a pretty good game yesterday

Yep, he finished strong. Hopefully they are starting to figure out that blocking scheme.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

As a huge NFL fan, don't overlook what Fisher is building there. Also, they really simplified the Rams run plays with him until this past sunday. They are going to coddle him a bit, as they know what they are attempting to build, plus like anyone with a knee injury, he had to get full faith in that knee. They showed what they could do with Gurley this past weekend, they blocked well, and against a really talented D. That last play that got the first to win the game, was supremely planned, blocked, run, etc...

 

[HeulenHund2]

As a huge NFL fan, don't overlook what Fisher is building there. Also, they really simplified the Rams run plays with him until this past sunday. They are going to coddle him a bit, as they know what they are attempting to build, plus like anyone with a knee injury, he had to get full faith in that knee. They showed what they could do with Gurley this past weekend, they blocked well, and against a really talented D. That last play that got the first to win the game, was supremely planned, blocked, run, etc...

It is a complicated blocking scheme and they're breaking in 3 rookie OLs, which is ridiculous. I can't believe the difference in the second half Sunday to the rest of the season to date. It gives hope for sure, but it'll take consistency, that has to be proved over time.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Rams built a damn fine D first. They are looking to build a run first O, similar to what Fischer had with George in TN. Hurley will be fine. When he was drafted, you knew that they weren't thinking of this year....althought right now, this year may be a good one for them.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Rams built a damn fine D first. They are looking to build a run first O, similar to what Fischer had with George in TN. Hurley will be fine. When he was drafted, you knew that they weren't thinking of this year....althought right now, this year may be a good one for them.

Fisher got George beat all to hell, similar to what happened to Earl Campbell in Houston. The last thing I want for Todd is to be rode like a rented mule till he's crippled in his late twenties. George carried the ball 1765 times over his first 5 seasons, mostly inside runs at that.
Fortunately TG is elusive enough to avoid many of the big hits aimed his way.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Eddie George still had a great overall career and came very close to winning a super bowl. I would re-think the rode to hell, as if he were ruined. He started every slated start...130 and only Walter Payton had more at 170. Additionally he made 4 pro bowls in a row and had 1,000 yards or more all but one season. Such is the life of a NFL rusher in a feature back role...George and Gurley need to tote the rock a lot to be the best they can be, just like Walker, who wasn't given the carries and as such had a rather unremarkable pro career. The hope will be that Fisher continues the building path unlike what the Rams did with Stephen Jackson...there is a back that was rode to hell with next to zero team accomplishments.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Eddie George still had a great overall career and came very close to winning a super bowl. I would re-think the rode to hell, as if he were ruined. He started every slated start...130 and only Walter Payton had more at 170. Additionally he made 4 pro bowls in a row and had 1,000 yards or more all but one season. Such is the life of a NFL rusher in a feature back role...George and Gurley need to tote the rock a lot to be the best they can be, just like Walker, who wasn't given the carries and as such had a rather unremarkable pro career. The hope will be that Fisher continues the building path unlike what the Rams did with Stephen Jackson...there is a back that was rode to hell with next to zero team accomplishments.

George was run down by his 6th season, and it was from overuse. Campbell had a good career as well. He was literally crippled from overuse. I damn sure wouldn't want a Son of mine used that way.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

While his 6th season was his 2nd lowest of all (kind of discount his Cowboys totals which were his lowest) he did return to over 1,000 yards the next two. He only carried the ball 400 times once in his career and that was his 5th, so the dip is historically expected. He has also had a pretty good career for someone out of the Tenn Titans following that. His career accomplishments (10,000 yards, Pro Bowls, Rookie of the Year, All Pro (1st and 2nd team,) etc...pretty darn good career. Depends on what you want, want a longer career, don't be a feature back or better yet, don't be an NFL running back.

 

[HeulenHund2]

While his 6th season was his 2nd lowest of all (kind of discount his Cowboys totals which were his lowest) he did return to over 1,000 yards the next two. He only carried the ball 400 times once in his career and that was his 5th, so the dip is historically expected. He has also had a pretty good career for someone out of the Tenn Titans following that. His career accomplishments (10,000 yards, Pro Bowls, Rookie of the Year, All Pro (1st and 2nd team,) etc...pretty darn good career. Depends on what you want, want a longer career, don't be a feature back or better yet, don't be an NFL running back.

He gained those yards at a 3.3 YPC average after his 4th season. Fisher just kept banging him into DLs, 350 or so times a season for those 1000 yards. I like to take pride in original thinking, but I'm FAR from the first to think Fisher abused George.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

George was never a scat back type, his highest ypc was 4.1, most of his career he was in the 3's. He was a power back, if you want to make money, gotta have a lot of carries as you aren't the breakaway threat that some others have. I still stand by the obvious, if you are a feature back, you're going to have 5-10 year career nowadays unless on a loaded team (Cowboys with Smith.)

 

[HeulenHund2]

George was never a scat back type, his highest ypc was 4.1, most of his career he was in the 3's. He was a power back, if you want to make money, gotta have a lot of carries as you aren't the breakaway threat that some others have. I still stand by the obvious, if you are a feature back, you're going to have 5-10 year career nowadays unless on a loaded team (Cowboys with Smith.)

George's highest YPC average after his 4th season was 3.7, and that was his 5th season. The average was around 3.3 after those early all star seasons.
To some extent it's the rule with big backs. The trouble I see is even people who should know better seem to treat them like they're indestructible because they're big and strong. In fact though they are the ones who pay the highest price over time.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Its the position...its a trade off to some extent. You can be a feature back, especially as a power back, and you will have 5-7 years if lucky with health, but you'll make great money (by NFL standards since all NFL players make great money by most people's standards) or you can be in RB by committee and make far less. He remained pretty healthy, with ankle and toe problems being the biggest issues and unlike most NFL players, has made a good amount of money post retirement. All comes down to wants, doubt he would trade it as he was paid extremely well...heck, that kind of money post George was unheard of for most backs with the de-emphasis of the running game. That's why i think Gurley is a good fit with STL. They will run him right and give him the chance to truly be a star.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Its the position...its a trade off to some extent. You can be a feature back, especially as a power back, and you will have 5-7 years if lucky with health, but you'll make great money (by NFL standards since all NFL players make great money by most people's standards) or you can be in RB by committee and make far less. He remained pretty healthy, with ankle and toe problems being the biggest issues and unlike most NFL players, has made a good amount of money post retirement. All comes down to wants, doubt he would trade it as he was paid extremely well...heck, that kind of money post George was unheard of for most backs with the de-emphasis of the running game. That's why i think Gurley is a good fit with STL. They will run him right and give him the chance to truly be a star.

You're correct, the position is inherently debilitating. That's not to say a coach can't either be smart in his use of big backs who take the most contact or just look at them as a commodity that is capable of wearing down a defense. If I had a son or any other young man I had influence over I'd do what I could to make sure he wasn't used like Earl Campbell and others were. Hell, it's not even smart for a team over the course of a back's career to break him down. I honestly felt our coaches did a poor job with Chubb and Gurley a few times last season. Heck, Richt said as much.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Problem is, if you don't use backs to wear down the defense then they aren't successful, big backs that is. If he hadn't, he wouldn't have made the money nor made the hall. The whole use of a big back in college or pro is they wear down the defense until they dominate. If you don't do that, yes, you elongate their career..maybe a bit, but you could shorten it as you simply cut them for someone else that shines more in fewer carries.

Earl Campbell had the career he did, hall of fame, because of how he was used. So basically, in order to elongate their career a bit, possibly, you would kill their productivity and in hand, their paychecks as well.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Problem is, if you don't use backs to wear down the defense then they aren't successful, big backs that is. If he hadn't, he wouldn't have made the money nor made the hall. The whole use of a big back in college or pro is they wear down the defense until they dominate. If you don't do that, yes, you elongate their career..maybe a bit, but you could shorten it as you simply cut them for someone else that shines more in fewer carries.

Earl Campbell had the career he did, hall of fame, because of how he was used. So basically, in order to elongate their career a bit, possibly, you would kill their productivity and in hand, their paychecks as well.

Sorry, but that is old way thinking. Teams now strive for running game by committee so they can have fresh backs late in games AND save wear ad tear. They have good data showing backs that are overused just one season very often have big drop-off the following season and often never return to their previous level of production

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

It is old, but still true with bigger backs. Running game by committee works, but outside of AP (who has been a feature back) do you really see any hall of famers out there? Also, with the committee approach, you've seen salaries for backs go way down unless they are thought of as a feature back. The only real payday for a back this offseason, by comparison to years back, was Demarco Murray, who was a feature back and was expected to be (but completely wrong system for him now.) Gurley was brought in to be more of a feature back in a system that features the run. As such, he will be in line for one of the larger 2nd contract paydays if he stays healthy and is a success. True, they could protect him more, but he wouldn't be nearly as valuable on the market.

 

[HeulenHund2]

It is old, but still true with bigger backs. Running game by committee works, but outside of AP (who has been a feature back) do you really see any hall of famers out there? Also, with the committee approach, you've seen salaries for backs go way down unless they are thought of as a feature back. The only real payday for a back this offseason, by comparison to years back, was Demarco Murray, who was a feature back and was expected to be (but completely wrong system for him now.) Gurley was brought in to be more of a feature back in a system that features the run. As such, he will be in line for one of the larger 2nd contract paydays if he stays healthy and is a success. True, they could protect him more, but he wouldn't be nearly as valuable on the market.

The committee approach is like setup men in baseball, it's here to stay. You couldn't force the issue anyway. Defenses substitute too freely, plus defenders are bigger and faster. You'll still see great backs averaging 22/23 carries though. That is enough for a great back to get 1700 plus in the regular season. If he can stay healthy for 8 to 10 years, that's HOF stuff.
I think Chubb has an excellent chance to build a HOF resume, IF he stays relatively healthy to 31 or 32 years of age.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Eddie George may get in the hall, Earl the Pearl Campbell, your other example is in the hall of fame. For your other thing...1700 yards plus is HOF worthy...quite possibly, but only one back got above that last year...Murray. Every other back was at least 300 yards short of that in 2014. In 2013...no one got that...2012 - AP, 2011, 2010 - No one, 2009 - Chris Johnson...the last year more than 1 did that was 2006 when Tomlinson and Larry Johnson both did it.

All those guys had one thing in common...all were "feature" backs. If you share carries, you probably aren't getting 20 carries per game, no where close to that as an average. Looking at the rushing stats, the best a non-feature back can realistically hope for is around 1,100 yards and that is rare.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

And good lord dude...to hit 1700 on 22 carries, one would carry the ball 352 times (which isn't that far off what George did tote) and would have to average a little over 4.8 yards per carry. To put that in perspective..that is better than Smith, Payton, Tomlinson, Bettis, Dickerson, Dorsett, and Faulk...for their careers. Only Jim Brown and Sanders beat that average for their careers in the top 10 rushers of all time. In fact, of the top 30, only AP, Brown and Sanders have done that. 25 rushes has always been the landmark number of a feature back and that is historical (before passing was so in vogue) so not sure 22 carries per game is really helping a guy. Average running back now carries the ball only 13 times per game.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Eddie George may get in the hall, Earl the Pearl Campbell, your other example is in the hall of fame. For your other thing...1700 yards plus is HOF worthy...quite possibly, but only one back got above that last year...Murray. Every other back was at least 300 yards short of that in 2014. In 2013...no one got that...2012 - AP, 2011, 2010 - No one, 2009 - Chris Johnson...the last year more than 1 did that was 2006 when Tomlinson and Larry Johnson both did it.

All those guys had one thing in common...all were "feature" backs. If you share carries, you probably aren't getting 20 carries per game, no where close to that as an average. Looking at the rushing stats, the best a non-feature back can realistically hope for is around 1,100 yards and that is rare.

Earl Campbell is crippled for life. He has been since his early 30s.
Of course Chubb would have to land in a near ideal situation to average 100 plus a game, but he has the best combination of build and skills for durability since Emmitt Smith IMO. Please let my homey ( Cedartown HS boy here) stay free of major injuries. If NC can stay healthy and have an excellent group of blockers I don't see any limitations.

 

[HeulenHund2]

And good lord dude...to hit 1700 on 22 carries, one would carry the ball 352 times (which isn't that far off what George did tote) and would have to average a little over 4.8 yards per carry. To put that in perspective..that is better than Smith, Payton, Tomlinson, Bettis, Dickerson, Dorsett, and Faulk...for their careers. Only Jim Brown and Sanders beat that average for their careers in the top 10 rushers of all time. In fact, of the top 30, only AP, Brown and Sanders have done that. 25 rushes has always been the landmark number of a feature back and that is historical (before passing was so in vogue) so not sure 22 carries per game is really helping a guy. Average running back now carries the ball only 13 times per game.

You're right, I got a bit carried away. Charles is over 5 per at this point with KC, but finishing there is another thing.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Charles probably doesn't have much left in the tank IMO, but we shall see. Chubb could be good, i think Gurley can be better. We shall see, I like Chubb's chances. Thing is, for the most part, he should be on a decent team since backs don't go very high.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

earl is crippled for life, but i'm not sure he would change much or could unless he just said he wouldn't have played football. Throw in the money nowadays....its the position, it why good ones at RB are the most rare to stick around for SR years...you only have so many carries in you.