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How would you feel if Georgia had a Muslim chaplain?

Fivehade said:
Yeah, I don't know about all that yapping, but my God doesn't really GAS about a football game. Seems spiritually dishonest to me to drag Jesus into UGA vs AU

And there was a time when the majority wanted black people to be enslaved .... The same black people who's descendants carry your football, you drool and pray over
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Dude, what are you talking about? No one brings God, Jesus, Abraham, Allah or any other religious figure into football. Any religious person of any faith believes that religion is part of life so would naturally apply to everything by default.

Thus, people who believe pray for good health in sports. It's not about praying to beat the other team. That's for delusional fans who abuse anything to get what they want.

Haven't you seen opponents pray for a competitor when an injury happens? They get it, you don't.
 
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Dawg 'n IT said:
Dude, what are you talking about? No one brings God, Jesus, Abraham, Allah or any other religious figure into football. Any religious person of any faith believes that religion is part of life so would naturally apply to everything by default.

Thus, people who believe pray for good health in sports. It's not about praying to beat the other team. That's for delusional fans who abuse anything to get what they want.

Haven't you seen opponents pray for a competitor when an injury happens? They get it, you don't.
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Seems to me they ought not make such a show of it..a la Tim Tebow
 
1966septemberdawg said:
You are a complete imbecile! really complete, no further training required. You have reached the nirvana of ineptitude.
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No need to be insulting...if you really believed in all that stuff, I'd think you'd be praying for me instead of being nasty
 
dieharddawg62 said:
I think what you believe is personal and it shouldn't be forced on you in anyway by our public institutions. That's why we have separation of church and state.

What's your opinion? This ought to be interesting.
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I would not allow my son to go to UGA to play sports.
It would be my option. I would not go to the media or stage a protest.
I would just take my education somewhere else.

If someone doesn't like Christian influence from a Christian coach, why go play for that coach? If you don't like to be yelled at, why are you complaining about your kid accepting a scholarship to play for Bobby Knight?

Kinda like when you want to have a cake made for your wedding. Do you go have a cake made from someone who doesn't want to make it for you, or just go find one that will?

We can't even have a cake made now without the media involved.

That is the freedom we have in our country. We have the right of choice..... or at least we used to.
 
Fivehade said:
Yeah, I don't know about all that yapping, but my God doesn't really GAS about a football game. Seems spiritually dishonest to me to drag Jesus into UGA vs AU

And there was a time when the majority wanted black people to be enslaved .... The same black people who's descendants carry your football, you drool and pray over
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You are right. He doesn't care who wins, only who gives their best in everything they do. Everything.
Giving our best and giving him the glory is all God wants.
 
dieharddawg62 said:
I think what you believe is personal and it shouldn't be forced on you in anyway by our public institutions. That's why we have separation of church and state.

What's your opinion? This ought to be interesting.
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Nothing is forced on these players! It's all voluntary as I understand it. And, I still can't find separation of church and state in the constitution.
 
Fetvuldawg said:
Nothing is forced on these players! It's all voluntary as I understand it. And, I still can't find separation of church and state in the constitution.
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if the guy is standing there praying and all are gathered around, and the game is fixin to start...you gonna tell me the one that doesn't want to be there has a choice?

i used to work for a place in augusta that would make us gather around the lobby and pray every day in the lobby...was a small company of about 40 or 50 people. you didn't dare NOT show up....now i kinda get that it was a private company and they can do whatever they want, but even then it REALLY sucked....UGA football is a government enterprise and shouldn't be doing that at all..ever...by any denomination
 
There's no truth to the separation clause in the manner many believe ascribed to it.
It just stands against an enforced national religion that is mandatory in attendance, etc.
like the church of England was.
Atheists in foxholes saying is a Aphorism, Fivehade. No one thinks there's an actual
foxhole on the field, but is merely a time of great duress for the 'people in the arena'
even though there isn't an ACTUAL arena. I suppose we need to choose better quotes
for people who are extremely literal on this site, but remember any sentence can be
picked apart by reading into it that which isn't there.
If a person feels comforted by the presence of a chaplain I wouldn't complain, though I
personally would not want one. It's not hurting me in the slightest and provides something
for a fellow human.
 
Fivehade said:
if the guy is standing there praying and all are gathered around, and the game is fixin to start...you gonna tell me the one that doesn't want to be there has a choice?

i used to work for a place in augusta that would make us gather around the lobby and pray every day in the lobby...was a small company of about 40 or 50 people. you didn't dare NOT show up....now i kinda get that it was a private company and they can do whatever they want, but even then it REALLY sucked....UGA football is a government enterprise and shouldn't be doing that at all..ever...by any denomination
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I was actually talking about chapel services or counseling sessions. I'm sure if there's a player that doesn't want to pray with the team he doesn't have to! You think if NC27 copped out CMR will throw him off the team? I think not!
 
Fetvuldawg said:
I was actually talking about chapel services or counseling sessions. I'm sure if there's a player that doesn't want to pray with the team he doesn't have to! You think if NC27 copped out CMR will throw him off the team? I think not!
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probably the starters wouldn't have a problem, but most of them would do it just to set an example anyway.....whether they believed in it or not
 
Fivehade said:
if the guy is standing there praying and all are gathered around, and the game is fixin to start...you gonna tell me the one that doesn't want to be there has a choice?

i used to work for a place in augusta that would make us gather around the lobby and pray every day in the lobby...was a small company of about 40 or 50 people. you didn't dare NOT show up....now i kinda get that it was a private company and they can do whatever they want, but even then it REALLY sucked....UGA football is a government enterprise and shouldn't be doing that at all..ever...by any denomination
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If you don't like what the company does, don't work there. If you don't want to pray at a football game, don't go.....don't commit to that school...... whatever.

Honestly, a family moves into a house next to an airport then expects the airport to stop flying planes.
 
PotimusWillie said:
If you don't like what the company does, don't work there. If you don't want to pray at a football game, don't go.....don't commit to that school...... whatever.

Honestly, a family moves into a house next to an airport then expects the airport to stop flying planes.
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I'm not talking about airports or shipyards I'm talking about individuals behaving decently to one another and not ramming their religion down their throats

When I took the job they never mentioned mandatory prayer meetings ...I'm just supposed to up and quit because I find it offensive ? How about have some respect for the non bible thumping types instead?
 
1966septemberdawg said:
And there was a time when the majority wanted black people to be enslaved .... The same black people who's descendants carry your football, you drool and pray over
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You have a really narrow view on life. God cares about all in attendance (players, coaches,all support staff and fans etc.) at a football game so yes he does care about a football game. Get over the slavery issue no one alive today had any part of that or wishes it was still occurring.[/QUOTE]

Interesting that you think you know what God cares about. Pretty arrogant for people to talk like this, like you got God all figured out.
 
dieharddawg62 said:
I think what you believe is personal and it shouldn't be forced on you in anyway by our public institutions. That's why we have separation of church and state.

What's your opinion? This ought to be interesting.[/QUOTE

A spiritual advisor would be advisable as a compromise in state funded institutions. Fact is that we all could use spiritual, moral and ethical guidance. Fighting over what kind of hat or collar or outfit our chosen "house of worship" requires of its spokesmen is patently childish and foolish. Denying or attempting to marginalize a nation's primary/founding religion otherwise is equally foolish as it accomplishes nothing but discord. For some of us, discord is our religion.
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Fivehade said:
I'm not talking about airports or shipyards I'm talking about individuals behaving decently to one another and not ramming their religion down their throats

When I took the job they never mentioned mandatory prayer meetings ...I'm just supposed to up and quit because I find it offensive ? How about have some respect for the non bible thumping types instead?
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You had a bad experience but does that mean casting those feelings on everything in life of which the majority of issues don't even concern you is appropriate ?

The presence of something does not necessarily mean it's being forced on people.
Until someone can show where football players are being forced to do religious acts or customs, this is a non issue. Giving a generic prayer for a team is hardly damaging to a nonbeliever anymore than a nonbeliever wishing the team well.
 
Spiritual/Moral/Ethical advisor could be a productive resource for all of us, unless our purpose is discord aka stirring the cauldron. For some of us, discord is a religion. What's really childish and foolish is being smug about your personal choices. We human beings have great capacity for worshipping ourselves along with our choices, while sneering at others and theirs. We prove every day how foolish we really are. Evidence of such is glaringly obvious in our choosing discord (typically as a form of entertainment) over productive discourse, which could ultimately solve ALL of our problems, perceived and real.
 
Dawg 'n IT said:
You had a bad experience but does that mean casting those feelings on everything in life of which the majority of issues don't even concern you is appropriate ?

The presence of something does not necessarily mean it's being forced on people.
Until someone can show where football players are being forced to do religious acts or customs, this is a non issue. Giving a generic prayer for a team is hardly damaging to a nonbeliever anymore than a nonbeliever wishing the team well.
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I guess it would be fine with you as long as it was group indirectly putting pressure on you to
Boost Assendahm said:
Spiritual/Moral/Ethical advisor could be a productive resource for all of us, unless our purpose is discord aka stirring the cauldron. For some of us, discord is a religion. What's really childish and foolish is being smug about your personal choices. We human beings have great capacity for worshipping ourselves along with our choices, while sneering at others and theirs. We prove every day how foolish we really are. Evidence of such is glaringly obvious in our choosing discord (typically as a form of entertainment) over productive discourse, which could ultimately solve ALL of our problems, perceived and real.
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I believe religious people are much more smug than non religious. Case in point, read all the the post in this message.
 
A lot of people, liberal and conservative alike, choose to be offended.

I don't like people knocking on my door to spread the Word any more than any other salesperson but that doesn't mean I have to crusade against religion.
 
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Dawg 'n IT said:
A lot of people, liberal and conservative alike, choose to be offended.

I don't like people knocking on my door to spread the Word any more than any other salesperson but that doesn't mean I have to crusade against religion.
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I agree 100%. There have been some horrific things done in the name of religion and some very positive things.
 
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dieharddawg62 said:
You have a really narrow view on life. God cares about all in attendance (players, coaches,all support staff and fans etc.) at a football game so yes he does care about a football game. Get over the slavery issue no one alive today had any part of that or wishes it was still occurring.
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Interesting that you think you know what God cares about. Pretty arrogant for people to talk like this, like you got God all figured out.[/QUOTE]

You are not seeing the forest for the trees. I implied God cares about a football game because of his children in attendance of that game. I do not think he cares about the outcome of the game unless it strengthens his message. I do not pretend to understand why God allows some things to happen to good people, and thugs to continue their lives of bad choices hurting others. I do know God made ALL of us and loves cares about ALL of us (maybe not our actions when we sin or hurt others). If you do not want to hear the prayer or participate just zone out until it is over. If I do not agree with something I avoid the situation, I do not try to force the participants to cease and desist. That is the differance between Conservatives and liberals, liberals must shut down free speech if they do not agree with it.
 
dieharddawg62 said:
You are not seeing the forest for the trees. I implied God cares about a football game because of his children in attendance of that game. I do not think he cares about the outcome of the game unless it strengthens his message. I do not pretend to understand why God allows some things to happen to good people, and thugs to continue their lives of bad choices hurting others. I do know God made ALL of us and loves cares about ALL of us (maybe not our actions when we sin or hurt others). If you do not want to hear the prayer or participate just zone out until it is over. If I do not agree with something I avoid the situation, I do not try to force the participants to cease and desist. That is the differance between Conservatives and liberals, liberals must shut down free speech if they do not agree with it
I'm a conservative by the way. I never said that having a chaplain was wrong. I'm not trying to force anything on anyone. I just asked a question that started all this. I wouldn't like a Muslim chaplain. But, in turn, I personally wouldn't want a self righteous Baptist either. Some wouldn't mind that. I just don't think we should be putting people in those types of positions where they have to choose something that they don't want to do because everyone else is doing it or it is implied that you must do this or that. Like prayer at work for the whole company...because the CEO is a religious person.

Just my opinion...
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i dont think god cares about a football game....football aint the place to pray
 
wouldn't care, he would be the loneliest guy in Athens.
 
1966septemberdawg said:
Interesting that you think you know what God cares about. Pretty arrogant for people to talk like this, like you got God all figured out.
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You are not seeing the forest for the trees. I implied God cares about a football game because of his children in attendance of that game. I do not think he cares about the outcome of the game unless it strengthens his message. I do not pretend to understand why God allows some things to happen to good people, and thugs to continue their lives of bad choices hurting others. I do know God made ALL of us and loves cares about ALL of us (maybe not our actions when we sin or hurt others). If you do not want to hear the prayer or participate just zone out until it is over. If I do not agree with something I avoid the situation, I do not try to force the participants to cease and desist. That is the differance between Conservatives and liberals, liberals must shut down free speech if they do not agree with it.[/QUOTE]

I'm a conservative by the way. I never said that having a chaplain was wrong. I'm not trying to force anything on anyone. I just asked a question that started all this. I wouldn't like a Muslim chaplain. But, in turn, I personally wouldn't want a self righteous Baptist either. Some wouldn't mind that. I just don't think we should be putting people in those types of positions where they have to choose something that they don't want to do because everyone else is doing it or it is implied that you must do this or that. Like prayer at work for the whole company...because the CEO is a religious person.

Just my opinion...
 
dieharddawg62 said:
You are not seeing the forest for the trees. I implied God cares about a football game because of his children in attendance of that game. I do not think he cares about the outcome of the game unless it strengthens his message. I do not pretend to understand why God allows some things to happen to good people, and thugs to continue their lives of bad choices hurting others. I do know God made ALL of us and loves cares about ALL of us (maybe not our actions when we sin or hurt others). If you do not want to hear the prayer or participate just zone out until it is over. If I do not agree with something I avoid the situation, I do not try to force the participants to cease and desist. That is the differance between Conservatives and liberals, liberals must shut down free speech if they do not agree with it.
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I'm a conservative by the way. I never said that having a chaplain was wrong. I'm not trying to force anything on anyone. I just asked a question that started all this. I wouldn't like a Muslim chaplain. But, in turn, I personally wouldn't want a self righteous Baptist either. Some wouldn't mind that. I just don't think we should be putting people in those types of positions where they have to choose something that they don't want to do because everyone else is doing it or it is implied that you must do this or that. Like prayer at work for the whole company...because the CEO is a religious person.

Just my opinion...[/QUOTE]
If i was in a group that started praying to satan, or allah I would exit until the prayer was over.
I would not feel the need to conform or join in. I would just simply pray my own prayer to my creator.
I do not think that would be much of a concern in Georgia, but who knows these days! I didn't say you were trying to stop the prayers, I am stating that is what the left wants when this issue comes up. I do not think Mark Richt or the staff would force a player to join in the prayer. It has to be some religious denomination, might as well be what is most common here in the south. Christianity is the dominant religion here, could be Presbyterian,Methodist, etc.
 
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You are correct about separation of church and state, but an argument could be made that the school is endorsing a religion. It's a state college funded by its citizens. It's a slippery slope. It's okay as long as it falls in line with your beliefs. It's not so okay if it doesn't.

The fact that I don't want the work place promoting their brand of God and silently requiring you to participate is something completely different all together.
 
Fivehade said:
I'm not talking about airports or shipyards I'm talking about individuals behaving decently to one another and not ramming their religion down their throats

When I took the job they never mentioned mandatory prayer meetings ...I'm just supposed to up and quit because I find it offensive ? How about have some respect for the non bible thumping types instead?
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Who is showing lack of respect for non bible thumping types? Prayers around athletic events has been a part of the American culture since we started playing sports. Seems to me, those who are now offended have no respect for traditional America.

If you are saying a prayer is ramming religion down your throat, you are quite a sensitive guy.

I am just having fun with you. But if you don't see the need for God, why should it bother you if someone else does see a need? It doesn't really matter in the long run.........right?
 
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1966septemberdawg said:
I'm a conservative by the way. I never said that having a chaplain was wrong. I'm not trying to force anything on anyone. I just asked a question that started all this. I wouldn't like a Muslim chaplain. But, in turn, I personally wouldn't want a self righteous Baptist either. Some wouldn't mind that. I just don't think we should be putting people in those types of positions where they have to choose something that they don't want to do because everyone else is doing it or it is implied that you must do this or that. Like prayer at work for the whole company...because the CEO is a religious person.

Just my opinion...
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If i was in a group that started praying to satan, or allah I would exit until the prayer was over.
I would not feel the need to conform or join in. I would just simply pray my own prayer to my creator.
I do not think that would be much of a concern in Georgia, but who knows these days! I didn't say you were trying to stop the prayers, I am stating that is what the left wants when this issue comes up. I do not think Mark Richt or the staff would force a player to join in the prayer. It has to be some religious denomination, might as well be what is most common here in the south. Christianity is the dominant religion here, could be Presbyterian,Methodist, etc.[/QUOTE]

Correct, but that is you. Some people anti religious because of some of the religious craziness that to them when they were a child.
PotimusWillie said:
Who is showing lack of respect for non bible thumping types? Prayers around athletic events has been a part of the American culture since we started playing sports. Seems to me, those who are now offended have no respect for traditional America.

If you are saying a prayer is ramming religion down your throat, you are quite a sensitive guy.

I am just having fun with you. But if you don't see the need for God, why should it bother you if someone else does see a need? It doesn't really matter in the long run.........right?
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It's funny how people think like that as long as it falls in line with their religious beliefs. It wouldn't be no big deal if a Muslim CEO required every one in the office to pray toward the east.
 
dieharddawg62 said:
If i was in a group that started praying to satan, or allah I would exit until the prayer was over.
I would not feel the need to conform or join in. I would just simply pray my own prayer to my creator.
I do not think that would be much of a concern in Georgia, but who knows these days! I didn't say you were trying to stop the prayers, I am stating that is what the left wants when this issue comes up. I do not think Mark Richt or the staff would force a player to join in the prayer. It has to be some religious denomination, might as well be what is most common here in the south. Christianity is the dominant religion here, could be Presbyterian,Methodist, etc.
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Correct, but that is you. Some people anti religious because of some of the religious craziness that to them when they were a child.


It's funny how people think like that as long as it falls in line with their religious beliefs. It wouldn't be no big deal if a Muslim CEO required every one in the office to pray toward the east.[/QUOTE]
I would exercise my freedom of choice (while I still have it!) and find another job. I would not try to force shutting down what he is doing.
It is much easier than the left makes it out to be. You have the right to freedom, but you will always be offended by something, and you do not have the right to force others to assimilate to your brand of religion, idealism, lifestyle etc. I know you are not suggesting this, but it really is about freedom to worship in your choice.
 
Yeah
FeralDawg said:
There's no truth to the separation clause in the manner many believe ascribed to it.
It just stands against an enforced national religion that is mandatory in attendance, etc.
like the church of England was.
Atheists in foxholes saying is a Aphorism, Fivehade. No one thinks there's an actual
foxhole on the field, but is merely a time of great duress for the 'people in the arena'
even though there isn't an ACTUAL arena. I suppose we need to choose better quotes
for people who are extremely literal on this site, but remember any sentence can be
picked apart by reading into it that which isn't there.
If a person feels comforted by the presence of a chaplain I wouldn't complain, though I
personally would not want one. It's not hurting me in the slightest and provides something
for a fellow human.
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Yeah, Fivehade has proven time and again that he is unable to comprehend the use of metaphors and the like - just not his bag...
 
My ''feelings'' would be complicated, I'd be ok with it intellectually though.
 
HeulenHund2 said:
Damn, that's a petty. egotistical God you're conjuring up.
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Don't you love people that speak on behalf of their maker that they have never seen.

Bible verse that I can't remember the address...

"I (God) have been misrepresented by men that do not know me."
 
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