I guess the myth continues...
- Thread starter Riotch
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Myth?? He should be put under the jail. Nothing "mythical" about police acting like criminals.
I agree. Some idiot earlier (you could guess who) today stated "the myth of the white cop killing the black man". Just scroll down.
I doubt you'd want to trade jobs with any cop. I sure as hell wouldn't There are certainly bad ones out there but the vast majority do a great job under a lot of stressful situations. I don't condone the police acting irresponsibly but I don't see a lot of those critical of the police who want their job. Unfortunately the comments of Obama and others are making them even more of a "target" while often times ignoring the root causes of why certain groups commit such a disproportionate amount of crimes that it's impossible to not have more encounters, including confrontational ones, with the police. When blacks and hispanics are responsible for 97% of the gun related crimes in NYC there are gonna be a lot of minority encounters with the police. Any black person killed unnecessarily (or white 1) is one too many but unfortunately the media is focusing solely on the police while ignoring the scores of those killed every day at the hands of other blacks. Now Hillary is trying to use it for political.gain (surprise) by insisting too many minorities are in jail. If you look at the high percentage of crimes that go unsolved you could actually make the argument that there are too few in jail (of all races).
I don't disagree with you bout not wanting the cops jobs. But to say the country with the largest incarcerated populace on earth, isn't putting enough in jail....don't agree
I merely posted the truth Riotch from a recent editorial in the WSJ. Take it or leave it, the stats speak for themselves. 94% of all black people murdered in this country are killed by other blacks. Blacks are killed/shot by black police at virtually the same rate as white cops. The majority of police are white and blacks perpetrate a wildly higher rate of criminal activity than do any other race so yes there is going to be more law enforcement activity between the two. And in extreme rare cases the black or white cop is going to be over the line violent. But you already knew that. And it's not just a cop/black male situation. Females, both black and white, are 12.4 TIMES likely to be killed if they are in a personal relationship by their partner if that partner is black as opposed to a white male.
But the most startling stat is just 2% of younger black males have criminal records IF they were raised in a household with a their actual, biological father and mother. So it is not in the dna for black males to be violent. It's the breakdown of the black family, primarily started in the 60's by LBJ's great society. Listen, the numbers are the numbers. There it is. And I'm not going to get caught up in a bunch of childish name calling by folks who are increasingly displaying lack of stability. I understand this is a chatroom and if you post something it is viewed by all sorts of people. Some with issues. So be it.
But the most startling stat is just 2% of younger black males have criminal records IF they were raised in a household with a their actual, biological father and mother. So it is not in the dna for black males to be violent. It's the breakdown of the black family, primarily started in the 60's by LBJ's great society. Listen, the numbers are the numbers. There it is. And I'm not going to get caught up in a bunch of childish name calling by folks who are increasingly displaying lack of stability. I understand this is a chatroom and if you post something it is viewed by all sorts of people. Some with issues. So be it.
Okay there are 765,000 sworn officers in the USA. If you don't think there will occasionally be some bad officers you are kidding yourself. However, there are measures in place to deal with bad officers including USC 42, civil rights litigation. On the whole, percentage wise, these incidents are miniscule. Granted any breach is unacceptable and strains the public trust.
In the most recent largely publicized incidents, in which all the officers were not found to be criminally liable, the offenders were repeat offenders who failed to comply with the officers lawful orders and in Michael Brown's case actually attacked the officer. In other words, these incidents are completely in the offender's hands to avoid by complying with the officers requests, but they refuse to do so. Is it really abusive cops that is the problem or criminals with no respect for the law and a culture that is so forgiving as to coddle their miscreant behavior?
There is a lot in your discussion. I have long stated that the breakdown of the family is a major part in all the ills of society. But, within five years more than half of the children born in America will be out of wedlock. Presently, 72% black, 40 percent Hispanic and 27 percent white are born out of wedlock. If that is our only answer then there is no future except increasing violence and crime. Actually, murder and violent crime is down in the past ten years. So that is not the only answer to the question. I think economics answers most of this not wedlock for the future as in wedlock parentage births will be less than half of the populace within five years. Iceland has had a greater than 50 percent out of wedlock rate for decades. They also don't have free access to guns and more liberal drug laws.
I think to consistently reduce crime, you must consistently increase socioeconomic status. That involves educating our woefully uneducated populace. We can't compete with Asia for low end manufacturing jobs. High end yes (cars, engines, Lcocomotives, oil industry etc. ). This involves a greater reliance on trade schools and some how making our pre college education somewhere in the stratosphere of Europe and Asia (Korea, Japan etc..). We are presently 33 rd on international tests for high schoolers in math and science. We will continue to become a more stratified, cast like society if we don't fix this intelligenc/education gap.
We also have to stop incarcerating people for weed. Period. I won't even go into how whites smoke marijuana at the same rates as blacks but blacks are incarcerated for it at a much higher rate. A huge percentage of these problems we see related to inner city poverty can be attributed to petty arrests for drugs. The same issues effect the Appalachia and rural south (the poorest areas in the country) but there are less people who are more spread out so it seems less of a problem but per capita is is just as bad.
The stability issues of posters here is a good point. I ignored one of them. Just not worth it.
See post below, but for the good of our society we should legalize or decriminalize marijuana. I have linked an article and 50 percent of incarcerations are due to drug offenses 27 percent for weed alone. That's absurd and I don't smoke weed or use it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/war-on-drugs-prisons-infographic_n_4914884.html
Higer economic reality for the lowest third of our country has to be the fix because (see post below) out of wedlock birth will continue to increase for the foreseeable future approaching 50 percent of total births within five years. To improve our country economically we have to educate our populace better. Significantly better. Those will be the jobs that pay well, not Walmart. I had an incredible realization recently. The largest employer in the U.S. Is Walmart a job that growing up was a summer or college job. That's our full time reality now. Nothing wrong with working hard to make a living but Walmart doesn't pay a wage that anyone can live on at a high standard. Do the math $10/hr for 40 hours a week is $1600 a month. That's just not a lot when an iPhone is a minimum $300. Just my thoughts. Enjoy civil discussion. Lost my mind with another poster before. Just going to ignore those guys from now on.
Here is my problem with that argument. It seems the cops are always cleared. Always. "By the book". The only one who got caught was caught by cell phone video in South Carolina. There were no riots there. Why? They indicted him. And should have. I have a ton of sympathy for cops and the shitty thankless job they have. But, when black man after black man dies and gets shot "pulling a suspected weapon"(that turns out not to be a weapon) and the answer is always "by the book" and the cops is nearly always cleared from wrong doing. That bothers me. For the x amount we hear about, how many others are just swept away. Prior to this year,how often did you hear of an officer being charged for killing an innocent? Almost never. Chicago just paid out $5 million for the goon squads who tortured people. Yes admitted torture by the Chicago pd. into the early 1990's. That's bizarro stuff.
Finally, I blame the offenders. If you stop and are white, respectable looking person, on average you'll be fine. But if you're not, there is where there is a problem. I can't stand dirtballs as much as the next guy and I don't want to become a cop because it is a tough, bad, underpaid job. We have law enforcement in our family. I feel for them. But my family members after a few beers even admit there's been a different standard for a long time.
I have one other question. What happened to tazers? It seems recently police have been pulling guns more often than tazers. Maybe it's just a media bias thing but dang it seems like guys are getting shot that used to get tazed.
Iceland is 95% white the least multicultural Nation on the planet. 99% of ppl stopped by cops don't get beat, shot or arrested. Its not society's fault when ppl break the law, its the law breakers fault
The issue I see here is the wrong examples are used. All of the forensics in furguson support the officers story and the kid was bad.
The Baltimore issue, the moment the cops told him to stop and he kept running, he broke the law. He brought the arrest on himself then resisted arrest to the point of being restrained and placed on the floor. He was trying his best to bludgeon himself in the van. These cops will also walk due to the.mitigating circumstances the suspect created.
Cops need to tone it down but there also has to be a safety net for them when a mistake is made. It is rarely ever as cut and dry as folks want to make it out to be. The press presents the peeps as little angles while they all have.long rap sheets and A history of not following the law.
In all cases, be a law abiding citizen and this crap wont happen.
The Baltimore issue, the moment the cops told him to stop and he kept running, he broke the law. He brought the arrest on himself then resisted arrest to the point of being restrained and placed on the floor. He was trying his best to bludgeon himself in the van. These cops will also walk due to the.mitigating circumstances the suspect created.
Cops need to tone it down but there also has to be a safety net for them when a mistake is made. It is rarely ever as cut and dry as folks want to make it out to be. The press presents the peeps as little angles while they all have.long rap sheets and A history of not following the law.
In all cases, be a law abiding citizen and this crap wont happen.
Well having worked in law enforcement for 30 years, I take a little offense at your accusations. There are some bad officers but they are usually dealt with and usually forced out of law enforcement because most officers are people just like you with empathy for others and really want to help others. I think the only possible answer is through decrimilization of some minor crimes, because officers are going to enforces the laws you pass by and large.
It is an incredibly dangerous job and if you chip away at measures and the standards at which officers protect themselves you are sending more of them to an early grave. It used to be if you fought with someone with a gun and ended up getting shot people would say, Idiot. What were you expecting?" Now, we encourage the offenders to fight it seems. You are making a dangerous job more dangerous. There are cops dying in the line of duty almost daily, but that has become an expected norm. However, when a career criminal fights with an officer and dies, it has become a major issue.
If there is a double standard it is because one set of people you deal with are typically respectful and cooperative and the other is disrespectful, uncooperative and fights you at every turn. Statistics have shown that officers are in fact less likely to shoot a minority because of the repercussions which of course places their life in more danger.
I understand the emotion of this issue and the fact that sometimes perception is reality, but to me this is a manufactured crisis being used politically by those in power.
As far tazers there are very good uses for tazers, but there is no "magic bullet." It's good for someone basically seated or standing still, but doesn't work for a case like the Michael Brown case.
The interesting thing about all this is the president keeps chasing down these claims of racism and wrongful death, but every time he has been wrong, yet the story continues. The Boston professor- wrong. Trayvon Martin- Wrong. Micheal Brown- wrong. Now we have Freddie Gray which may very well turn out to be negligence on the part of the officers and after failure after failure to prove their case they will find one and say, See, we told you." It's disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.
One more question for you. The economic reform is good and all that, but the president just spent 1.8 billion in stimulus money in Baltimore. How much does it take? And how do you make anyone learn the necessary skill Set? It's the old "you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink" thing.
I respect your opinion, I just disagree somewhat. Decrimilization of some drugs would help. A lot of minority arrests are for drugs and about 50% of the prison population is in jail for drugs. Freddie Gray had about 15 previous drug arrest convictions. What a waste of resources.
