I have a son and a daughter. So, I measure the events of this week through two lenses...

[RedNBlackNtheDay]

... understanding there are both males and females who - for various reasons - are compelled to take advantage of situations afforded them.

Given the bond between a daughter and father, I naturally worry for her that some drink not constantly supervised gets drugged or some guy doesn't respective her enough when she establishes a limit or someone identifies her as a potential victim. I worry about what I'd do if any of the above befell her.

But, I worry about my son, too. There have always been those girls who want the attention and communicate one thing and insist on another. There are some girls who are, in a word, batshit crazy and when everyone's having drinks late into the evening, inhibitions come off and the person who goes to bed with you at midnight is not the same one with whom you wake in the morning.

I don't know if there is a point to any of this except to say that I wish the authorities would seek to keep private any investigation or allegation until such time as charges can be filed. No innocent young person needs a headline that follows them forever in a simple Google search.

And, I empathize with the UGA coaching staff in pondering, "What is the right move?" Do you favor 'the appearance of things' or an as-yet innocent young man? The #metoo movement has had a positive impact; if, for no other example, the extrication of Hollywood lechers like Harvey Weinstein. But, in its wake is the gross exaggeration, by some, of taking serious each allegation to mean that men are guilty until proven innocent.

We are the lessor to always equate 'wokeness' with fairness.

 

[riserrr]

Nothing against you personally, OP, and I agree with a lot of this, but this post probably belongs on the Chat.

 

[Troubadawg]

Nothing against you personally, OP, and I agree with a lot of this, but this post probably belongs on the Chat.

The Vent is the Chat in a cheap suit.

 

[Obi Won]

... understanding there are both males and females who - for various reasons - are compelled to take advantage of situations afforded them.

Given the bond between a daughter and father, I naturally worry for her that some drink not constantly supervised gets drugged or some guy doesn't respective her enough when she establishes a limit or someone identifies her as a potential victim. I worry about what I'd do if any of the above befell her.

But, I worry about my son, too. There have always been those girls who want the attention and communicate one thing and insist on another. There are some girls who are, in a word, batshit crazy and when everyone's having drinks late into the evening, inhibitions come off and the person who goes to bed with you at midnight is not the same one with whom you wake in the morning.

I don't know if there is a point to any of this except to say that I wish the authorities would seek to keep private any investigation or allegation until such time as charges can be filed. No innocent young person needs a headline that follows them forever in a simple Google search.

And, I empathize with the UGA coaching staff in pondering, "What is the right move?" Do you favor 'the appearance of things' or an as-yet innocent young man? The #metoo movement has had a positive impact; if, for no other example, the extrication of Hollywood lechers like Harvey Weinstein. But, in its wake is the gross exaggeration, by some, of taking serious each allegation to mean that men are guilty until proven innocent.

We are the lessor to always equate 'wokeness' with fairness.

Same here with a boy and a girl.

Treat your sons to never assume anything and understand the signs of an out of control female.

Treat your daughters to protect themselves and be cognizant of who they are around.

College is about having fun, but not being careful in certain situations can ruin your life in a hurry.

 

[Klumpy Time]

... understanding there are both males and females who - for various reasons - are compelled to take advantage of situations afforded them.

Given the bond between a daughter and father, I naturally worry for her that some drink not constantly supervised gets drugged or some guy doesn't respective her enough when she establishes a limit or someone identifies her as a potential victim. I worry about what I'd do if any of the above befell her.

But, I worry about my son, too. There have always been those girls who want the attention and communicate one thing and insist on another. There are some girls who are, in a word, batshit crazy and when everyone's having drinks late into the evening, inhibitions come off and the person who goes to bed with you at midnight is not the same one with whom you wake in the morning.

I don't know if there is a point to any of this except to say that I wish the authorities would seek to keep private any investigation or allegation until such time as charges can be filed. No innocent young person needs a headline that follows them forever in a simple Google search.

And, I empathize with the UGA coaching staff in pondering, "What is the right move?" Do you favor 'the appearance of things' or an as-yet innocent young man? The #metoo movement has had a positive impact; if, for no other example, the extrication of Hollywood lechers like Harvey Weinstein. But, in its wake is the gross exaggeration, by some, of taking serious each allegation to mean that men are guilty until proven innocent.

We are the lessor to always equate 'wokeness' with fairness.

Well said. What’s clear from the responses the last day or so is that not many of us do well with ambiguity and many of us are just looking for someone to blame. It can be more nuanced or complicated than that as you alluded to in your post. It’s tough to compartmentalize my deep desire to see UGA win a MNC and Adam’s undeniable ability to help us do that and wanting a fair and just world where we seek hard truths rather than convenient rationalizations. That being said we have to separate the two and hope that the truth, whatever that may be, is allowed to come to the fore.

 

[MiddleTennDawg]

I still feel we are running WAY SHORT on justice when it comes to women falsely accusing a man of rape or domestic violence. There is virtually no consequence for someone that submits a false claim.

I know the women in my family go nuts when this happens. Their take is that it destroys the desire for other women to report a true crime. This is one of the reasons they feel they wont be believed.

I am not saying this is the case at all here. Just throwing out my opinion on any claim of rape. If the guy is guilty, throw him under the jail. If she is lying, throw HER under the jail. Lives are ruined when a rape happens, or is falsely claimed.

 

[RandolWhite]

Nobody knows anything yet.

I had several rape victims as clients.

I also had a young man as a client that’s reputation was ruined then the girl admitted she lied months into the ordeal.

It’s terrible it came to this at all. For all involved.

 

[hogan ward]

I appreciate the issues for women and men in these situations. Any man that takes advantage of a woman should have serious ramifications to deal with. That being said, any woman that makes up a story about what happened to her and lied about everything, should have to face consequences as well. I had a client whose daughter made up allegations and later admitted to lying about those statements. Fortunately this wasn't a criminal case, but there was still backlash against that young man while the allegations were out there. No idea of what a proper punishment for her should be. As to anyone raping a woman, castrate him. Won't happen again with that instrument.

 

[Dawg 4:13]

Many years ago had a friend who unbeknownst to me (and others in our tailgate group, yes he WAS part of our group) had a problem with “peeking” at young girls. He got caught and it deservedly “ruined” his life. My oldest daughter was I think pre-teen @ the time, I recall having that conversation with her: If something bad happens, tell us or another adult; but, don’t ever, or let your friends make a false accusation because it will cause much permanent harm even if proved to be false.

 

[Rawdaddy]

If all it takes is a false accusation to sideline a star player for weeks on end and potentially an entire season, then it's only going to be a matter of time before it happens again either here or somewhere else. I mean there are people out there crazy enough to go to another campus and poison the trees and we know there are boosters crazy enough to pay recruits out of pocket. I certainly don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for someone somewhere to pay some young lady to make an accusation against an opposing team's star player. I am certainly not saying that is what has happened here, I'm just saying that if I can sit here and think of that potentiality, then I know people much more devious than myself can

 

[scottmac1972]

You are a better dad then most I know. Sure they all match up on the daughter part.

But on the son, the bar is....did he die today? No. I did my job as a parent.

 

[macondawg28]

... understanding there are both males and females who - for various reasons - are compelled to take advantage of situations afforded them.

Given the bond between a daughter and father, I naturally worry for her that some drink not constantly supervised gets drugged or some guy doesn't respective her enough when she establishes a limit or someone identifies her as a potential victim. I worry about what I'd do if any of the above befell her.

But, I worry about my son, too. There have always been those girls who want the attention and communicate one thing and insist on another. There are some girls who are, in a word, batshit crazy and when everyone's having drinks late into the evening, inhibitions come off and the person who goes to bed with you at midnight is not the same one with whom you wake in the morning.

I don't know if there is a point to any of this except to say that I wish the authorities would seek to keep private any investigation or allegation until such time as charges can be filed. No innocent young person needs a headline that follows them forever in a simple Google search.

And, I empathize with the UGA coaching staff in pondering, "What is the right move?" Do you favor 'the appearance of things' or an as-yet innocent young man? The #metoo movement has had a positive impact; if, for no other example, the extrication of Hollywood lechers like Harvey Weinstein. But, in its wake is the gross exaggeration, by some, of taking serious each allegation to mean that men are guilty until proven innocent.

We are the lessor to always equate 'wokeness' with fairness.

Good post. Speaking hypothetically, forgetting that you had drunk sex the night before isn’t that uncommon. What if it starts back up in the morning if the girl is just waking up? Is that rape? I’m just asking

 

[godawgies92]

Good post. Speaking hypothetically, forgetting that you had drunk sex the night before isn’t that uncommon. What if it starts back up in the morning if the girl is just waking up? Is that rape? I’m just asking

If the person cannot give consent, it’s rape. Period, end of story.

 

[macondawg28]

If the person cannot give consent, it’s rape. Period, end of story.

So consent the night before doesn’t count?

 

[ItzzMackk]

So consent the night before doesn’t count?

Nope. Not at all. A lot can change in a days time.

 

[godawgies92]

So consent the night before doesn’t count?

If you’re having sex with someone and they cannot consent, it’s rape. It’s that simple.

 

[DawgGoesWoof]

If the person cannot give consent, it’s rape. Period, end of story.

This is a very good principle to operate under, but not strictly true in a legal sense.

 

[Boom MFer Dawg]

Nothing against you personally, OP, and I agree with a lot of this, but this post probably belongs on the Chat.

Absolutely not. OP made a thoughtful post full of logic and empathy. You will never find tha on the chat. Just hate, half truths and conspiracy theories

 

[East Lake Dawg 61]

The Vent is the Chat in a cheap suit.

Naw, the Vent is crazy AF, but the Chat is unbearable. Whack job city.

 

[macondawg28]

If you’re having sex with someone and they cannot consent, it’s rape. It’s that simple.

Not sure you get the my question. You’ve obviously not ever hooked up when you’re extremely impaired.

 

[ContentTrout]

Consent can be revoked at literally any time during an encounter. If someone is in a state where they are unable to consent, prior conversations mean nada. IM not talking from a legal stand point. IM talking about a moral one

 

[macondawg28]

Consent can be revoked at literally any time during an encounter. If someone is in a state where they are unable to consent, prior conversations mean nada. IM not talking from a legal stand point. IM talking about a moral one

I agree. Question is did he stop once she objected. The article doesn’t address this other than say she was able to leave.

 

[ContentTrout]

makes sense. Im not gunna comment on speculation of what happened between them

 

[SOWEGAdawg12]

I still feel we are running WAY SHORT on justice when it comes to women falsely accusing a man of rape or domestic violence. There is virtually no consequence for someone that submits a false claim.

I know the women in my family go nuts when this happens. Their take is that it destroys the desire for other women to report a true crime. This is one of the reasons they feel they wont be believed.

I am not saying this is the case at all here. Just throwing out my opinion on any claim of rape. If the guy is guilty, throw him under the jail. If she is lying, throw HER under the jail. Lives are ruined when a rape happens, or is falsely claimed.

Part of that is it’s very hard to prove a negative - ie that something didn’t happen.

 

[Single Barrel Dawg]

Just be glad they’re old row, OP.

 

[A6A4F18]

Two simple rules
1. You rape a girl you need to go to prison and experience what you did over and over
2. You falsely accuse someone of rape you go to prison and experience what didn’t happen to you over and over

 

[RedNBlackNtheDay]

Just be glad they’re old row, OP.

Ergo, we settle out-of-court and for property titles on Sea Island or in Highlands.

 

[godawgies92]

Not sure you get the my question. You’ve obviously not ever hooked up when you’re extremely impaired.

No, I haven’t. I don’t ever get “extremely impaired” because I’m the one that always herds the cattle that are my friend group, and two, because I’m not trying to **** women who are blackout drunk.

 

[macondawg28]

No, I haven’t. I don’t ever get “extremely impaired” because I’m the one that always herds the cattle that are my friend group, and two, because I’m not trying to **** women who are blackout drunk.

Good for you but many of us did back in our 20’s

 

[shoppedawg]

I’m just going out on a limb here…

it seems like many of those that are firmly siding with the alleged victim are operating under the mindset that AA was sober.

I mean is it that uncommon that both parties are too drunk to ask for/receive consent? Not exactly the kind of conversation that goes well during a blackout.

I’m not siding with either here, but it seems like a few people are thinking he was 100% lucid taking advantage of someone unconscious. Just a possibility that should be considered.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

... understanding there are both males and females who - for various reasons - are compelled to take advantage of situations afforded them.

Given the bond between a daughter and father, I naturally worry for her that some drink not constantly supervised gets drugged or some guy doesn't respective her enough when she establishes a limit or someone identifies her as a potential victim. I worry about what I'd do if any of the above befell her.

But, I worry about my son, too. There have always been those girls who want the attention and communicate one thing and insist on another. There are some girls who are, in a word, batshit crazy and when everyone's having drinks late into the evening, inhibitions come off and the person who goes to bed with you at midnight is not the same one with whom you wake in the morning.

I don't know if there is a point to any of this except to say that I wish the authorities would seek to keep private any investigation or allegation until such time as charges can be filed. No innocent young person needs a headline that follows them forever in a simple Google search.

And, I empathize with the UGA coaching staff in pondering, "What is the right move?" Do you favor 'the appearance of things' or an as-yet innocent young man? The #metoo movement has had a positive impact; if, for no other example, the extrication of Hollywood lechers like Harvey Weinstein. But, in its wake is the gross exaggeration, by some, of taking serious each allegation to mean that men are guilty until proven innocent.

We are the lessor to always equate 'wokeness' with fairness.

If they both save themselves for their marriages then none of this matters.

 

[NavyDawg22]

I still feel we are running WAY SHORT on justice when it comes to women falsely accusing a man of rape or domestic violence. There is virtually no consequence for someone that submits a false claim.

I know the women in my family go nuts when this happens. Their take is that it destroys the desire for other women to report a true crime. This is one of the reasons they feel they wont be believed.

I am not saying this is the case at all here. Just throwing out my opinion on any claim of rape. If the guy is guilty, throw him under the jail. If she is lying, throw HER under the jail. Lives are ruined when a rape happens, or is falsely claimed.

Innocent until proven guilty. The media and #MeToo movement have flipped this on it's head.

Many, many, women out there who take advantage of judgement mistakes to lash out and act out. You have a bunch of drinks (sounded like she was inebriated) then you are flirting and acting horny and you come to or sober up and you are having sex. Then instead of immediately reporting it to the police you go on a character assassination ruining a guy's character who thought he was just getting lucky. Now said person lost millions of dollars because you don't know how to hold your liquor and instead of blaming yourself you are trying to destroy a guy's life? Sorry, but way too many holes in this ladies story. She made some mistakes and then got angry or greedy or whatever but I hope she gets sued and the university gets sued also.

 

[_Keef_]

If the person cannot give consent, it’s rape. Period, end of story.

I don’t know for sure about all that. If 2 kids are drunk and have sex and she never told him no, then I think it is consensual. Nobody has to drink to excess. That is their bad choice to get black out drunk. And it is a choice. There is no law requiring anyone to drink alcohol. Just because one doesn’t “remember” it doesn’t necessarily mean they both didn’t want it at the time. If they both consensually do it, then IMO it is not rape. If she explicitly said no and he forced himself on her or drugged her without her knowledge, then yeah that’s rape and throw the book at him.

 

[godawgies92]

I don’t know for sure about all that. If 2 kids are drunk and have sex and she never told him no, then I think it is consensual. Nobody has to drink to excess. That is their bad choice to get black out drunk. And it is a choice. There is no law requiring anyone to drink alcohol. Just because one doesn’t “remember” it doesn’t necessarily mean they both didn’t want it at the time. If they both consensually do it, then IMO it is not rape. If she explicitly said no and he forced himself on her or drugged her without her knowledge, then yeah that’s rape and throw the book at him.

“Never saying no” does not equal a “yes.”Again, if a person cannot consent to having sex, whether that be because they are impaired or unconscious, it’s rape.

EDIT: I want to add on to this because I don’t want people to get the idea that I think they’re rapists just because they had drunk sex with a woman or man. But I think there’s a lot of older people in here that look back on their college drinking days with that veneer of nostalgia that hides some of the darker things that happen. There are dudes that hang out in bars, basically sober, in order to find drunk women to try to take home with them. They’re predators. I’m not saying that Adam is one of them, but these dudes exist. The fact is, we simply don’t know the circumstances around what happened. I’m not presuming he’s guilty, but I’m also not going to say he’s innocent by default. I’ll wait until all of the available information comes out. I suggest y’all do the same instead of trying to blow holes in a woman’s story that you haven’t even heard yet.

 

[_Keef_]

“Never saying no” does not equal a “yes.”Again, if a person cannot consent to having sex, whether that be because they are impaired or unconscious, it’s rape.

EDIT: I want to add on to this because I don’t want people to get the idea that I think they’re rapists just because they had drunk sex with a woman or man. But I think there’s a lot of older people in here that look back on their college drinking days with that veneer of nostalgia that hides some of the darker things that happen. There are dudes that hang out in bars, basically sober, in order to find drunk women to try to take home with them. They’re predators. I’m not saying that Adam is one of them, but these dudes exist. The fact is, we simply don’t know the circumstances around what happened. I’m not presuming he’s guilty, but I’m also not going to say he’s innocent by default. I’ll wait until all of the available information comes out. I suggest y’all do the same instead of trying to blow holes in a woman’s story that you haven’t even heard yet.

TBF, I never said dead fishing was OK. I also never said whether this particular guy was innocent or guilty. Also never implied there aren’t criminal sexual predators.

 

[NavyDawg22]

Innocent until proven guilty. That is supposedly the law however it is not reality when it comes to our world today. AA has had his name smeared (if innocent) and true character and financial damages have occurred.

Fairness if people actually cared about that would dictate allowing him to play until being found guilty or at a minimum until he has been charged. None of those things have happened and the damage continues to be done. Not only to him but also to the football team every time this accusation is mentioned and to the university.

 

[Whosyodawgy]

Same here with a boy and a girl.

Treat your sons to never assume anything and understand the signs of an out of control female.

Treat your daughters to protect themselves and be cognizant of who they are around.

College is about having fun, but not being careful in certain situations can ruin your life in a hurry.

Actually, summer camp is about having fun.
College is supposed to be about preparing yourself to be able to earn a living.
But then, I realize I am not on topic so ... ex-cuuuuse me.

 

[anon_q2raz786xy94b]

I have a son and a daughter, and I refuse to jump on the woke bandwagon of guilt. Let the police do their job and he will either be found guilty or innocent