I really hate that the tea party extremist types are having such influence on this election...

[Fivehade]

Your anti-conservative rhetoric on multiple threads indicates you to be a Liberal. If you're not liberal then you're missing a perfect opportunity to classify yourself as one. I don't see you standing up for unborn babies being aborted, traditional marriage, smaller government, strong defense, religious freedom, personal responsibility, low taxes, and strict adherence to the constitution, etc.

What you did above is attempt to deflect from the fact you were busted not reading your own link. It's too bad because there is some good information in it.

If you believe the border fence is un-American then it is obvious you have not educated yourself on the subject. What is un-American is burdening the American tax paying citizen with Billions of dollars paid to illegal households. As more and more illegals enter the county the billions will increase exponentially. How is this fair to rising generations of

I have educated myself on the subject and many others... I question whether or not you have any education at all based on you repeating the same propaganda over and over again, as fact, and shouting down anybody that disagrees with you as a liberal .... Your views are repugnant to any freedom loving American

..the idea of a a wall around America is a collossal waste of money and resources and is patently UnAmerican

 

[Rolodawg2011]

No... I mean I'm your day to day life, out on the street, at work, what have you....do you talk to ordinary people in the same way you do on teh chats?

Yes I do....Do you display your ignorance on a daily basis?

 

[1966septemberdawg]

I have educated myself on the subject and many others... I question whether or not you have any education at all based on you repeating the same propaganda over and over again, as fact, and shouting down anybody that disagrees with you as a liberal .... Your views are repugnant to any freedom loving American

..the idea of a a wall around America is a collossal waste of money and resources and is patently UnAmerican

The idea of a wall just along the southern border is Not around America. The southern border with a proper wall does not mean a wall around the US. Country Club is right your post indicate that you act and respond as a liberal. He is not spouting propaganda it is what educated people call facts to formulate an opinion on current events that he is posting. You should open your mind and see the facts for what they are am formulate your own opinion, not some article you posted that you assume bolsters your point without reading the content. You would help yourself by reviewing the facts and actually think about your responses. You are the one dropping the hammer of judgement upon others.

 

[CountryClubDawg]

I have educated myself on the subject and many others... I question whether or not you have any education at all based on you repeating the same propaganda over and over again, as fact, and shouting down anybody that disagrees with you as a liberal .... Your views are repugnant to any freedom loving American

..the idea of a a wall around America is a collossal waste of money and resources and is patently UnAmerican

If the shoe fits, wear it. i judge people by the content of their character, and your character, or lack thereof, is very revealing. You've added nothing substative to the fence conversation, but instead you've deflected, whined, and opined the fence is un-America and a waste of money without anything to back your liberal stance. You've proven youself to be lazy, sloppy, and intellectually dishonest. Your credibility is non-existent and civil discourse with you is futile.

See how that works? You want to discuss a border fence intelligently or you want to continue slinging mud? Because I can do both. Your move, skippy.

Now, I'm off to hit a few

 

[Fivehade]

If the shoe fits, wear it. i judge people by the content of their character, and your character, or lack thereof, is very revealing. You've added nothing substative to the fence conversation, but instead you've deflected, whined, and opined the fence is un-America and a waste of money without anything to back your liberal stance. You've proven youself to be lazy, sloppy, and intellectually dishonest. Your credibility is non-existent and civil discourse with you is futile.

See how that works? You want to discuss a border fence intelligently or you want to continue slinging mud? Because I can do both. Your move, skippy.

Now, I'm off to hit a few

hit a few what? baby pupppies?

 

[Fivehade]

The idea of a wall just along the southern border is Not around America. The southern border with a proper wall does not mean a wall around the US. Country Club is right your post indicate that you act and respond as a liberal. He is not spouting propaganda it is what educated people call facts to formulate an opinion on current events that he is posting. You should open your mind and see the facts for what they are am formulate your own opinion, not some article you posted that you assume bolsters your point without reading the content. You would help yourself by reviewing the facts and actually think about your responses. You are the one dropping the hammer of judgement upon others.

i guess in your world, if somebody types it up on a wingnut , right wing website, then it's a fact and you've 'done your research' by doing a simple google search.

fortunately for the rest of us, that's not even remotely true....a 2000 mile, double walled, transparent, southern border fence...Great Wall of Murrca, is pretty heinous. you can't accept it, but that doesn't make it not true....just like lack of WMD in Iraq

 

[PotimusWillie]

the politics of anger are gonna turn this into an Electio-tainment, anger fueled , ridiculous thing that hands the election to Hillary Clinton

This clown with a combover is completely unelectable , but these people are still so mad at Obama they just wanna stand there and scream

You would have hated Boston in the 1700's then.

 

[Fivehade]

You would have hated Boston in the 1700's then.

yeah, and you know...the inquisition was a beeyotch too

 

[FeralDawg]

seriously, why not just give a trillion dollars to mexico instead of building a wall to keep them out?

Someone else's money?

 

[1966septemberdawg]

i guess in your world, if somebody types it up on a wingnut , right wing website, then it's a fact and you've 'done your research' by doing a simple google search.

fortunately for the rest of us, that's not even remotely true....a 2000 mile, double walled, transparent, southern border fence...Great Wall of Murrca, is pretty heinous. you can't accept it, but that doesn't make it not true....just like lack of WMD in Iraq

The wall is far more cost effective than the continuing flood of immigrants, drugs, crime and terrorist that can come over our border easily now.
We are still the nation that gives our aid, food and support of man hours to a cause that may help a nation or people in need in a crisis.
This does nothing to diminish our humanitarian spirit, it just shows we are serious about the protection of our nation.

 

[Fivehade]

The wall is far more cost effective than the continuing flood of immigrants, drugs, crime and terrorist that can come over our border easily now.
We are still the nation that gives our aid, food and support of man hours to a cause that may help a nation or people in need in a crisis.
This does nothing to diminish our humanitarian spirit, it just shows we are serious about the protection of our nation.

yeah....i'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that. a wall that stops nobody, costs a bazillion dollars, takes a decade to build and an army to support, to keep out 8000 migrant workers that just want a job.....seems a bit extreme, xenophobic, and dang near racist, to me

 

[Fivehade]

Someone else's money?

baking powder?

 

[FeralDawg]

So you're saying just give out billions of dollars to people? Where is that coming from? Other peoples money.
You are quoted above saying just give out money. Someone else's I assume. Can these people live with YOU?
Or just get YOUR checks from your work?
Especially after sending billions already to Mexico where they are rolling the printing presses giving out pamphlets on how to evade US authorities and reside in the US Illegally, while receiving benefits.
Then as the last resort of a scoundrel you choose Patriotism as a cover by saying fences are just UN-American then in a typical move throw out -Oh Yeah...and Racist!

 

[Fivehade]

So you're saying just give out billions of dollars to people? Where is that coming from? Other peoples money.
You are quoted above saying just give out money. Someone else's I assume. Can these people live with YOU?
Or just get YOUR checks from your work?
Especially after sending billions already to Mexico where they are rolling the printing presses giving out pamphlets on how to evade US authorities and reside in the US Illegally, while receiving benefits.
Then as the last resort of a scoundrel you choose Patriotism as a cover by saying fences are just UN-American then in a typical move throw out -Oh Yeah...and Racist!

oh good grief.....what i'm saying is if you're gonna spend a trillion bucks on some complete waste of time boondoggle fence that doesn't even stop illegal immigration...AT ALL....then just give the money away to the actual people...whatever people, doesn't matter, dont care....just pile it all up and let the peeps have at it.

dadgum 2000 mile , 20 foot tall, transparent double wall...i swear to dawg, y'all are nuts

 

[FeralDawg]

I'm saying if you hand out someone else's money in a mall as an experiment, don't be surprised if
there's a ton of takers and no end in sight until the mall doors are locked. And if in the confusion people start getting killed
and you're still handing out other peoples money, who's the crazy one?
You're response was 'baking powder'. And other people are 'nuts'?

 

[Fivehade]

I'm saying if you hand out someone else's money in a mall as an experiment, don't be surprised if
there's a ton of takers and no end in sight until the mall doors are locked. And if in the confusion people start getting killed
and you're still handing out other peoples money, who's the crazy one?
You're response was 'baking powder'. And other people are 'nuts'?

i'm not saying to go to the mall and hand out money, but that's a good idea....at least as good as building 4000 miles of transparent security wall at our southern border

 

[PotimusWillie]

yeah....i'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that. a wall that stops nobody, costs a bazillion dollars, takes a decade to build and an army to support, to keep out 8000 migrant workers that just want a job.....seems a bit extreme, xenophobic, and dang near racist, to me

Don't allow access to any subsidy or gov $ assistance. Do not allow citizenship to babies born in the U.S. by illegal, undocumented or whatever you want to call them. Do not allow them to marry a U. S. citizen so they can stay.

If they break the law and they are undocumented, they are deported.

If a mexican citizen needs medical assistance in the U.S. , and they are undocumented, bill the country of Mexico for medical services. Mexico would then speed a little more time and money to stop the U.S. invasion.

If we got to that point, I might agree with you on the wall.

 

[Fivehade]

Don't allow access to any subsidy or gov $ assistance. Do not allow citizenship to babies born in the U.S. by illegal, undocumented or whatever you want to call them. Do not allow them to marry a U. S. citizen so they can stay.

If they break the law and they are undocumented, they are deported.

If a mexican citizen needs medical assistance in the U.S. , and they are undocumented, bill the country of Mexico for medical services. Mexico would then speed a little more time and money to stop the U.S. invasion.

If we got to that point, I might agree with you on the wall.

my mom was an immigrant...from Europe....and fit many of the categories that would have had you deny me citizenship, btw

 

[1966septemberdawg]

yeah....i'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that. a wall that stops nobody, costs a bazillion dollars, takes a decade to build and an army to support, to keep out 8000 migrant workers that just want a job.....seems a bit extreme, xenophobic, and dang near racist, to me

Try 300,000 that are draining or treasury, no know if it were only about 8000 there would be no uproar. There are enough illegals here that they have changed our advertising and cities. When did dialing 1 for English begin? We are still in the Unites States.

 

[FeralDawg]

I would too. No EBT cards, Medicaid, housing, food handouts or cash and I'd see no need for a wall.
I blame the churches for drawing them here as well, with all their programs where they get get taxpayer money
to 'care' for them. All about profit at the taxpayers expense. Just wicked behaviour. Nothing to do with
true benevolence.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

my mom was an immigrant...from Europe....and fit many of the categories that would have had you deny me citizenship, btw

She more than likely was not an illegal immigrant! Big difference.

 

[Fivehade]

She more than likely was not an illegal immigrant! Big difference.

no, she was illegal...in the 60s. she overstayed her visit, or whatever they call it.


i was born here, but according to you idiot rednecks i should have my citizenship revoked

 

[FeralDawg]

my mom was an immigrant...from Europe....and fit many of the categories that would have had you deny me citizenship, btw

She may have been one of the last of the European migrant waves since Ted Kennedys deal in 65 closed off the European immigration so we could focus more on the Third World Imports (apparently more exotic) instead of hard workers like your mother. I am assuming she's a hard worker since she made sure you got more than enough education.
My family lived hard in Appalachia when they came here dead ass broke and uneducated, too. But somehow they persevered and didn't get community housing or EBT cards and free phones. You keep forgetting all these freebies are NOT a right guaranteed to us by a creator, but like flies to honey they are drawn by the freebies instead of a chance to work hard and better themselves. If you skip the line, I am almost sure you are here to play the system rather than bust tail to get ahead. That's just human nature, but as with everything else we keep lowering standards.

 

[Fivehade]

She may have been one of the last of the European migrant waves since Ted Kennedys deal in 65 closed off the European immigration so we could focus more on the Third World Imports (apparently more exotic) instead of hard workers like your mother. I am assuming she's a hard worker since she made sure you got more than enough education.
My family lived hard in Appalachia when they came here dead ass broke and uneducated, too. But somehow they persevered and didn't get community housing or EBT cards and free phones. You keep forgetting all these freebies are NOT a right guaranteed to us by a creator, but like flies to honey they are drawn by the freebies instead of a chance to work hard and better themselves. If you skip the line, I am almost sure you are here to play the system rather than bust tail to get ahead. That's just human nature, but as with everything else we keep lowering standards.

we ate government cheese and used govt milk powder, etc...at various times we got govt assistance checks too....i got free lunches at Georgia public schools, that was always an embarassment as the teachers made sure to treat everybody like crap who got free lunch tix...me and the black kids, mostly, at least in my class.

for the most part, she didn't work, except very very occasionally.

i'm not making any of this up....

 

[FeralDawg]

I also call BS that your 'mom is now an illegal immigrant so everyone else is a redneck' argument.
You have reached a new low. I'm talking to your mom about this the next time I see her. She raised you
better than this, Fivehade.

 

[Fivehade]

She may have been one of the last of the European migrant waves since Ted Kennedys deal in 65 closed off the European immigration so we could focus more on the Third World Imports (apparently more exotic) instead of hard workers like your mother. I am assuming she's a hard worker since she made sure you got more than enough education.
My family lived hard in Appalachia when they came here dead ass broke and uneducated, too. But somehow they persevered and didn't get community housing or EBT cards and free phones. You keep forgetting all these freebies are NOT a right guaranteed to us by a creator, but like flies to honey they are drawn by the freebies instead of a chance to work hard and better themselves. If you skip the line, I am almost sure you are here to play the system rather than bust tail to get ahead. That's just human nature, but as with everything else we keep lowering standards.

we ate government cheese and used govt milk powder, etc...at various times we got govt assistance checks too....i got free lunches at Georgia public schools, that was always an embarassment as the teachers made sure to treat everybody like crap who got free lunch tix...me and the black kids, mostly, at least in my class.

for the most part, she didn't work, except very very occasionally.

i'm not making any of this up....

 

[Fivehade]

I also call BS that your 'mom is now an illegal immigrant so everyone else is a redneck' argument.
You have reached a new low. I'm talking to your mom about this the next time I see her. She raised you
better than this, Fivehade.

her being illegal didnt make you all dumb idiot rednecks...y'all were born that way, i reckon...or learned it...either way, i dont care. you is what you is

 

[FeralDawg]

Aaaaw! From the guy who demands civility, no less. There's your lesson for the day for how a passive aggressive
liberal attacks when questioned.
If your family was wringing a hard-earned living out of the land instead of waiting on a handout I could take all this, but to show that handing out other peoples money doesn't lead to more demands of free money, you failed this one.
Rednecks, indeed. I say good day, sirrah!

 

[Fivehade]

Aaaaw! From the guy who demands civility, no less. There's your lesson for the day for how a passive aggressive
liberal attacks when questioned.
If your family was wringing a hard-earned living out of the land instead of waiting on a handout I could take all this, but to show that handing out other peoples money doesn't lead to more demands of free money, you failed this one.
Rednecks, indeed. I say good day, sirrah!

yeah , i dont know...after 71 posts from you knuckdraggers calling me names over and over and over...i guess i just had enough....and then you pick that ONE to start crowing about civility

america is a nation of immigrants...as racist and xenophobic as you wanna be, it still is that way

 

[1966septemberdawg]

no, she was illegal...in the 60s. she overstayed her visit, or whatever they call it.


i was born here, but according to you idiot rednecks i should have my citizenship revoked

My touchy today aren't you? You must mean my redneck friend with the purple head, he served me well all my life.
No need to discuss that though. I see why you carry such a torch for the law breakers now. We are one of the few nations that kil ourselves with the immigration policies we have. Try going to Australia and see how long they let you stay. The civilized countries understand the need for immigration control.

 

[PotimusWillie]

my mom was an immigrant...from Europe....and fit many of the categories that would have had you deny me citizenship, btw

You are either ignorant or just contrary. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you ignorant.

Your mother, a European immigrant, was not offered the same gov assistance as those now. She also worked hard to gain her citizenship in the U.S. The undocumented workers do not. They corrupt the system by marrying to be allowed to stay, or have children, that will then be provided for by the government. Your mother did not do this.

So no, she would not have been denied citizenship. I think also you must be rather young and have no true working knowledge of how our immigration system worked and how it works now.

Our country should not have to accept and absorb those who just wish to tap a system they haven't contributed to. Your mother worked and paid her taxes and became a citizen.

Am I wrong?

 

[Fivehade]

You are either ignorant or just contrary. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you ignorant.

Your mother, a European immigrant, was not offered the same gov assistance as those now. She also worked hard to gain her citizenship in the U.S. The undocumented workers do not. They corrupt the system by marrying to be allowed to stay, or have children, that will then be provided for by the government. Your mother did not do this.

So no, she would not have been denied citizenship. I think also you must be rather young and have no true working knowledge of how our immigration system worked and how it works now.

Our country should not have to accept and absorb those who just wish to tap a system they haven't contributed to. Your mother worked and paid her taxes and became a citizen.

Am I wrong?

yes, you're wrong...she waited til she was....prolly 62 or 63 to get her citizenship....about 40 years..

 

[Fivehade]

My touchy today aren't you? You must mean my redneck friend with the purple head, he served me well all my life.
No need to discuss that though. I see why you carry such a torch for the law breakers now. We are one of the few nations that kil ourselves with the immigration policies we have. Try going to Australia and see how long they let you stay. The civilized countries understand the need for immigration control.

i dont wanna go to Australia, mate.

 

[FeralDawg]

Neither do most free-loaders. Out of all of the developed nations on Earth only the US and Canada
allow any form of birthright citizenship and the inherent freebies. And that's only through NOT
enforcing laws.

 

[Fivehade]

Neither do most free-loaders. Out of all of the developed nations on Earth only the US and Canada
allow any form of birthright citizenship and the inherent freebies. And that's only through NOT
enforcing laws.

mainly because it's such a long flight. i'm an american citizen, by birthright....even you slackjaws cant take that away from me

 

[PotimusWillie]

yes, you're wrong...she waited til she was....prolly 62 or 63 to get her citizenship....about 40 years..

Did she have a job? Did she pay taxes over those 40 years?

Did she have you just to stay in the U.S?

Did she take you to the emergency room for free healthcare every time you sniffled.

 

[FeralDawg]

Rednecks, slackjaws, knuckledraggers! You're just lowering the tone as you go, aren't you?
Great work SocialCircle, AgEng or whoever! You just enjoying all your lies, and passing out labels like
a great far-leftist socialist!

 

[Fivehade]

Did she have a job? Did she pay taxes over those 40 years?

Did she have you just to stay in the U.S?

Did she take you to the emergency room for free healthcare every time you sniffled.

1) didnt work very much, as i said earlier

2) couldnt say ...never came up in that way as a point of discussion

3) no, but medical care in rural Georgia was, and remains, really bad so it isn't like there was a huge option to do that

 

[PotimusWillie]

1) didnt work very much, as i said earlier

2) couldnt say ...never came up in that way as a point of discussion

3) no, but medical care in rural Georgia was, and remains, really bad so it isn't like there was a huge option to do that

OK, since you won't concede your point even in discussion.

Was she married? If so, did your Dad work? If so, did he pay taxes?

I know, I know. Ya'll lived in a tent. Stole vegetables from the surrounding countryside and sold illegal moonshine to buy baby formula.......... And used local vitamin store witch doctor for medical help.

How many brothers and sisters Hade?

 

[Fivehade]

OK, since you won't concede your point even in discussion.

Was she married? If so, did your Dad work? If so, did he pay taxes?

I know, I know. Ya'll lived in a tent. Stole vegetables from the surrounding countryside and sold illegal moonshine to buy baby formula.......... And used local vitamin store witch doctor for medical help.

How many brothers and sisters Hade?

you dont seem to get it....i'm exactly the kind of person you would have deported, even at 50 years of age.....what do you say to that? am i not american enough, having lived all my life here?