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I really hate that the tea party extremist types are having such influence on this election...

you dont seem to get it....i'm exactly the kind of person you would have deported, even at 50 years of age.....what do you say to that? am i not american enough, having lived all my life here?

No, I don't think you are. Your an apologist and bleeding heart, but you aren't what we are talking about.

Don't flatter yourself. You aren't the image of the oppressed to be held up to the masses on this board as an example.
 
No, I don't think you are. Your an apologist and bleeding heart, but you aren't what we are talking about.

Don't flatter yourself. You aren't the image of the oppressed to be held up to the masses on this board as an example.
i'm none of that nonsense you're yammering about..neither are all the mexican immigrants to our great country
 
my mom was an immigrant...from Europe....and fit many of the categories that would have had you deny me citizenship, btw

From Europe you say, huh? She wouldn't happen to be from France by chance, would she? Because, that would explain a lot. Like your defeatist, apologist, can't do, surrender attitude.
 
You are either ignorant or just contrary. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you ignorant.

Your mother, a European immigrant, was not offered the same gov assistance as those now. She also worked hard to gain her citizenship in the U.S. The undocumented workers do not. They corrupt the system by marrying to be allowed to stay, or have children, that will then be provided for by the government. Your mother did not do this.

So no, she would not have been denied citizenship. I think also you must be rather young and have no true working knowledge of how our immigration system worked and how it works now.

Our country should not have to accept and absorb those who just wish to tap a system they haven't contributed to. Your mother worked and paid her taxes and became a citizen.

Am I wrong?

NO! You're right! Right wing reactionaries should find a way to identify these illegal immigrants and exclude them from the economy in the interest of driving them out of the country. Maybe some Republican will offer up a bill in Congress requiring all illegal immigrants to wear a yellow patch sewn on their clothing, or require them to have a bar code tattooed on their forearm. Then the Republicans can pass laws forbidding American citizens from doing business with illegal immigrants, or even marrying them. The US government could seize illegal immigrants' assets. After that, the Republicans could build internment camps near the borders of the United States, maybe even require the illegal immigrants interned there to do work.
 
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NO! You're right! Right wing reactionaries should find a way to identify these illegal immigrants and exclude them from the economy in the interest of driving them out of the country. Maybe some Republican will offer up a bill in Congress requiring all illegal immigrants to wear a yellow patch sewn on their clothing, or require them to have a bar code tattooed on their forearm. Then the Republicans can pass laws forbidding American citizens from doing business with illegal immigrants, or even marrying them. The US government could seize illegal immigrants' assets. After that, the Republicans could build internment camps near the borders of the United States, maybe even require the illegal immigrants interned there to do work.

Now that is a start pug. I think your on to something here. Instead of internment camps we should call them deportation camps.
 
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NO! You're right! Right wing reactionaries should find a way to identify these illegal immigrants and exclude them from the economy in the interest of driving them out of the country. Maybe some Republican will offer up a bill in Congress requiring all illegal immigrants to wear a yellow patch sewn on their clothing, or require them to have a bar code tattooed on their forearm. Then the Republicans can pass laws forbidding American citizens from doing business with illegal immigrants, or even marrying them. The US government could seize illegal immigrants' assets. After that, the Republicans could build internment camps near the borders of the United States, maybe even require the illegal immigrants interned there to do work.
Now you're talkin! We could have different color patches for different % of American purity too
 
Great work! Take it to the extreme just like the Donald.
So quick to compare extremists to Nazi's. And who are extreme? Everyone you don't agree with.
Certainly EVERYONE you don't like can't be Nazis to the liberal mind? That's the go to checklist 3
right behind racists, but just ahead of Neanderthals.
Global warming is caused by racism. Slow economy-racism. Voter ID like every first world nation = Nazis.
Cops getting ambushed and killed - revenge for past racism AND Nazis neanderthals (trifecta!).
 
Great work! Take it to the extreme just like the Donald.
So quick to compare extremists to Nazi's. And who are extreme? Everyone you don't agree with.
Certainly EVERYONE you don't like can't be Nazis to the liberal mind? That's the go to checklist 3
right behind racists, but just ahead of Neanderthals.
Global warming is caused by racism. Slow economy-racism. Voter ID like every first world nation = Nazis.
Cops getting ambushed and killed - revenge for past racism AND Nazis neanderthals (trifecta!).
do i get any credit for being born here to an illegal immigrant? i only lived here 50 years, afterall, went to college, married a 5th generation american immigrant, had a couple kids that are 2nd/6th generation americans, depending on how you look at them too....seems i should get some priority status in the death camps

will my kids be OK under the purges or not? what about their kids?

btw, how many generations makes you a True Murrcan® ?
 
Let me know when your drama gets to the intermission and I'll talk to you like a big boy.
Death camps. Murrcan. Let me know when you're sneaking in to Mexico at night from their border and get caught what happens.
 
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i'm none of that nonsense you're yammering about..neither are all the mexican immigrants to our great country

You are right. The mexican immigrants aren't the image of the oppressed. They are the image of the entitled.

We no longer welcome immigrants into our country and demand that our ways are taught and maintained. We welcome them to come and take advantage of government assistance. That wasn't the case with your mom. We now welcome immigrants to create a voting block. Create a captive group who depends on the government for their very existence.

Great immigrants came to this country and founded companies and commerce. They didn't come expecting gov assist. And our government didn't publish pamphlets they explained how to do it.
 
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do i get any credit for being born here to an illegal immigrant? i only lived here 50 years, afterall, went to college, married a 5th generation american immigrant, had a couple kids that are 2nd/6th generation americans, depending on how you look at them too....seems i should get some priority status in the death camps

will my kids be OK under the purges or not? what about their kids?

btw, how many generations makes you a True Murrcan® ?

We are not a nation of immigrants, we are a nation of citizens. And many of the problems citizens have with Illegal Aliens today is that the political elite seem to favor those Illegals over the citizens who made this country. The Illegal Alien Children are called "Dreamers", but I ask you- aren't the American citizen's children "Dreamers" too?

The only constant in this world is change. And over the past 50 years many things have changed, but especially, as Pwillie, Europen American, so articulated above, Illegal Immigration is now taking advantage of the system and they feel entitled to what rightfully belongs to our children and grandchildren, etc.
 
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Great work! Take it to the extreme just like the Donald.
So quick to compare extremists to Nazi's. And who are extreme? Everyone you don't agree with.
Certainly EVERYONE you don't like can't be Nazis to the liberal mind? That's the go to checklist 3
right behind racists, but just ahead of Neanderthals.
Global warming is caused by racism. Slow economy-racism. Voter ID like every first world nation = Nazis.
Cops getting ambushed and killed - revenge for past racism AND Nazis neanderthals (trifecta!).

Conservatives and fascists have a lot in common...

Fascism is a form of political behavior marked by excessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, and victimhood. How many times have you seen posts on this message board claiming, "America is becoming a third world country", "Obama is running the country into the ground", "our best days are behind us", "white men are oppressed in this country"? I've seen posts bemoaning the decline in morality, expressing a persecution complex against Christians, conservatives, southerners, etc.
 
You never disputed your tactic. Just deflected. Clever again!
You should cry racist for more emphasis.
How many times do I see posts about how Conservative white men have enslaved the black race, have ruined the whole natural world, have caused global warming, are mean to women unlike the Muslims who are nice and eco-friendly and are ruining our country by holding it back?
Admit it. That sounds like your definition of fascism to me. You should go up to Alaska and claim how little time we have left before we are all wiped out. Sounds like your savior is a fascist by your standards.
We have no time to pass more legislation to help his friends green companies to taxpayer money, boo! The sky is falling!
 
According to Goldberg, progressives' affinity for fascism was quite understandable because, contrary to popular misconception: “Fascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left.”

To clarify this point, a working definition of fascism is in order. A comprehensive discussion of fascism's tenets and variations can be located here, but for the purpose of this discussion, fascism can be distilled down to this: It is a totalitarian movement that empowers an omnipotent government to control every nook and cranny of political, economic, social, and private life – generally in the name of “the public good.” Its leadership is commonly spearheaded by a powerful, charismatic, even deified figure who is viewed as uniquely capable – along with his hand-picked advisers – of leading his nation to new-found or restored greatness. Its economics are collectivist, socialist and redistributionist – supremely hostile to free-market capitalism and wealth inequalities. And it tends to promote and exploit the grievances of “the common man,” portraying society as the theater of a ceaseless conflict – a class war – between oppressor and oppressed, victimizer and victim. Consequently, identity politics are central to fascism.
Sounds JUST like YOUR savior, our POTUS. You are a divine dumbass,
Whitepug. And you want to educate children. GTFO.
 
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American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism. “Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin, who began to label all of the most blatantly evil traits shared by communism and fascism alike, as simply “fascist.”
 
You never disputed your tactic. Just deflected. Clever again!
You should cry racist for more emphasis.
How many times do I see posts about how Conservative white men have enslaved the black race, have ruined the whole natural world, have caused global warming, are mean to women unlike the Muslims who are nice and eco-friendly and are ruining our country by holding it back?
Admit it. That sounds like your definition of fascism to me. You should go up to Alaska and claim how little time we have left before we are all wiped out. Sounds like your savior is a fascist by your standards.
We have no time to pass more legislation to help his friends green companies to taxpayer money, boo! The sky is falling!

They say a hit dawg will howl. You sure are howling!
 
American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism. “Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin, who began to label all of the most blatantly evil traits shared by communism and fascism alike, as simply “fascist.”

Nice try. But how do you explain the fact that two progressive presidents, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman, successfully waged war against fascist Germany and Italy?

But you're talking about the 1930s and 1940s. I'm describing folks like you in the present-day. You right-wing proto-fascists have a rage and hatred toward the poor, illegal immigrants, Muslims, gays, feminists, intellectuals, and liberals.
I'm reminded of what author Sinclair Lewis wrote in It Can't Happen Here: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Conservatives see America as a nation in decline that is being threatened by people of color. This perceived decline has created a mindset among conservatives in which citizens are pitted against each other. In this mindset, conservatives feel they have to choose between preserving shrinking fortunes for themselves or contributing to the common good. How many times on this message board do you see people impotently raging about taxes being an unwarranted burden? Progressives see taxes as a contribution to community benefits such as education, health care, and safety.
 
How wrong you are. Really can't read can you?
Nice try to deflect again. Explain the current anti-semitism of the liberal elite. Same old stuff from the progressives/libs. Blame someone else and tell us how it will all be better if we just lie back and tack it.
You so FOS and you KNOW it.
The ONLY reason we got involved in WWII was profit. We turned our backs while Hitler told the world what he'd do. You know the progs are doing the same thing again and you're gonna watch it happen again in
the name of helping the poor now?
Here's your progressives on parade:
  • H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”
  • The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”
  • The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”
  • Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”
  • McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”
  • After having vistited Italy and interviewed Mussolini in 1926, the American humorist Will Rogers, who was informally dubbed “Ambassador-at-Large of the United States” by the National Press Club, said of the fascist dictator: “I’m pretty high on that bird.” “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government,” Rogers wrote, “that is, if you have the right dictator.”
  • Reporter Ida Tarbell was deeply impressed by Mussolini's attitudes regarding labor, affectionately dubbing him “a despot with a dimple.”
  • NAACP co-founder W. E. B. DuBois saw National Socialism as a worthy model for economic organization. The establishment of the Nazi dictatorship in Germany, he wrote, had been “absolutely necessary to get the state in order.” In 1937 DuBois stated: “there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.”
  • FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”
  • New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”
  • Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.
 
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Whitepug's ignorance coupled with his lack of reading comprehension sure makes him difficult to educate. Good luck, FeralDawg.

Remember, he's a "trained" Professional Historian. LOL!
 
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