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and how some "UGA" fans reacted to the firing. The similarities follow along the commitment of recruits and fans to Richt vs. a commitment to the school.

First, not saying that is altogether bad. For the recruits, at least, a coaching staff is their conduit to the school and the face of the institution for a kid not within easy driving distance to Athens. Moreover, the coach is the conduit to playing time at the school... and what one promises versus another is always a factor.

Second, as the parent of a college sophomore and a soon-to-be HS senior, the college choice is a difficult endeavor. Figuring out what you think you might want to be in life is a challenge for most 18 year olds. Understanding which schools have better social opportunities seems to be a much easier choice. So, the commitment - even for my kids - has not been which school would afford them the best education aligned with their 'life goal'; rather, it is 'where might I be the happiest for the next 4 years?' If a coach is selling happiness or comfort, the school is just part of the story. Hang on to that comfort thought, please.

Third, some of these kids have been seeing and hearing from the same coach for 3 years before signing day. That's 17% of their life (for an 18 year old); and more like 38% of their cognitive life if you consider they only began awareness of their athletic abilities and school potential at, say, 10 years of age.

So, when a recruit becomes attached to a coach or a previous coach, it is to be expected. When that situation changes, and the recruit's mind wavers, that is to be expected as well.

What perplexes me is the cult-like fan attraction to the previous coaching staff which simultaneously - on the one hand - has connected with the previous head coach in much the way a teenage recruit does and - on the other hand - can be so reliant on that 'comfort' notion that they are willing to overlook he coach's performance history and trends which belittle the institution they claim to value from the perspective of years of adulthood.

Why did/do fans need the 'comfort' of Mark Richt.

Perhaps at dinner parties, it was comforting to have the 'old crutch' in the pocket in case you happened upon the Bama/Gator/Vol/WarEagle/BengalTiger/Seminole/(now)Clemson fan who could boast about their program's recent success vis-a-vis football. You know, the 'old crutch' which is a.) 'Mark Richt is a good man' (no debate); and, b.) 'We're on a higher mission at UGA.' At which point, one takes on the persona of Jake and Elwood Blues... albeit in red and black. The lack of significant wins, or championships, or NC rings at that point rendered moot and/or base pursuits.

It's like the cognitive dissonance where you recognize you're married to someone who prefers to lie on the couch and eat bon-bons and charge it off to a thyroid condition. I don't get it.

Thank goodness those days are over; at least for now. I wonder if the same nuttiness will follow to Thug U where the expectation for NC rings is much higher and less likely than UGA?

Kirby Smart can succeed or fail... but at least we've made the decision to try harder as an institution. The 'old crutch' is gone. The conversation has become more digital. More about the W's and L's, now.

And, if you're gonna keep score... that's how it ought to be.
 
and how some "UGA" fans reacted to the firing. The similarities follow along the commitment of recruits and fans to Richt vs. a commitment to the school.

First, not saying that is altogether bad. For the recruits, at least, a coaching staff is their conduit to the school and the face of the institution for a kid not within easy driving distance to Athens. Moreover, the coach is the conduit to playing time at the school... and what one promises versus another is always a factor.

Second, as the parent of a college sophomore and a soon-to-be HS senior, the college choice is a difficult endeavor. Figuring out what you think you might want to be in life is a challenge for most 18 year olds. Understanding which schools have better social opportunities seems to be a much easier choice. So, the commitment - even for my kids - has not been which school would afford them the best education aligned with their 'life goal'; rather, it is 'where might I be the happiest for the next 4 years?' If a coach is selling happiness or comfort, the school is just part of the story. Hang on to that comfort thought, please.

Third, some of these kids have been seeing and hearing from the same coach for 3 years before signing day. That's 17% of their life (for an 18 year old); and more like 38% of their cognitive life if you consider they only began awareness of their athletic abilities and school potential at, say, 10 years of age.

So, when a recruit becomes attached to a coach or a previous coach, it is to be expected. When that situation changes, and the recruit's mind wavers, that is to be expected as well.

What perplexes me is the cult-like fan attraction to the previous coaching staff which simultaneously - on the one hand - has connected with the previous head coach in much the way a teenage recruit does and - on the other hand - can be so reliant on that 'comfort' notion that they are willing to overlook he coach's performance history and trends which belittle the institution they claim to value from the perspective of years of adulthood.

Why did/do fans need the 'comfort' of Mark Richt.

Perhaps at dinner parties, it was comforting to have the 'old crutch' in the pocket in case you happened upon the Bama/Gator/Vol/WarEagle/BengalTiger/Seminole/(now)Clemson fan who could boast about their program's recent success vis-a-vis football. You know, the 'old crutch' which is a.) 'Mark Richt is a good man' (no debate); and, b.) 'We're on a higher mission at UGA.' At which point, one takes on the persona of Jake and Elwood Blues... albeit in red and black. The lack of significant wins, or championships, or NC rings at that point rendered moot and/or base pursuits.

It's like the cognitive dissonance where you recognize you're married to someone who prefers to lie on the couch and eat bon-bons and charge it off to a thyroid condition. I don't get it.

Thank goodness those days are over; at least for now. I wonder if the same nuttiness will follow to Thug U where the expectation for NC rings is much higher and less likely than UGA?

Kirby Smart can succeed or fail... but at least we've made the decision to try harder as an institution. The 'old crutch' is gone. The conversation has become more digital. More about the W's and L's, now.

And, if you're gonna keep score... that's how it ought to be.
and how some "UGA" fans reacted to the firing. The similarities follow along the commitment of recruits and fans to Richt vs. a commitment to the school.

First, not saying that is altogether bad. For the recruits, at least, a coaching staff is their conduit to the school and the face of the institution for a kid not within easy driving distance to Athens. Moreover, the coach is the conduit to playing time at the school... and what one promises versus another is always a factor.

Second, as the parent of a college sophomore and a soon-to-be HS senior, the college choice is a difficult endeavor. Figuring out what you think you might want to be in life is a challenge for most 18 year olds. Understanding which schools have better social opportunities seems to be a much easier choice. So, the commitment - even for my kids - has not been which school would afford them the best education aligned with their 'life goal'; rather, it is 'where might I be the happiest for the next 4 years?' If a coach is selling happiness or comfort, the school is just part of the story. Hang on to that comfort thought, please.

Third, some of these kids have been seeing and hearing from the same coach for 3 years before signing day. That's 17% of their life (for an 18 year old); and more like 38% of their cognitive life if you consider they only began awareness of their athletic abilities and school potential at, say, 10 years of age.

So, when a recruit becomes attached to a coach or a previous coach, it is to be expected. When that situation changes, and the recruit's mind wavers, that is to be expected as well.

What perplexes me is the cult-like fan attraction to the previous coaching staff which simultaneously - on the one hand - has connected with the previous head coach in much the way a teenage recruit does and - on the other hand - can be so reliant on that 'comfort' notion that they are willing to overlook he coach's performance history and trends which belittle the institution they claim to value from the perspective of years of adulthood.

Why did/do fans need the 'comfort' of Mark Richt.

Perhaps at dinner parties, it was comforting to have the 'old crutch' in the pocket in case you happened upon the Bama/Gator/Vol/WarEagle/BengalTiger/Seminole/(now)Clemson fan who could boast about their program's recent success vis-a-vis football. You know, the 'old crutch' which is a.) 'Mark Richt is a good man' (no debate); and, b.) 'We're on a higher mission at UGA.' At which point, one takes on the persona of Jake and Elwood Blues... albeit in red and black. The lack of significant wins, or championships, or NC rings at that point rendered moot and/or base pursuits.

It's like the cognitive dissonance where you recognize you're married to someone who prefers to lie on the couch and eat bon-bons and charge it off to a thyroid condition. I don't get it.

Thank goodness those days are over; at least for now. I wonder if the same nuttiness will follow to Thug U where the expectation for NC rings is much higher and less likely than UGA?

Kirby Smart can succeed or fail... but at least we've made the decision to try harder as an institution. The 'old crutch' is gone. The conversation has become more digital. More about the W's and L's, now.

And, if you're gonna keep score... that's how it ought to be.

Like Richt said in one of his parting comments, "rings just collect dust". At $4M a year his priority wasn't to win football games. I would have been fine leaving him as the football coach if they had reduced his pay to a school teacher because that was what he wanted to be.
 
Good OP till the 6th paragraph, that's where the pointless grinding on Richt and subtle insults to recruits Who were looking forward to playing for Him started.
 
players/recruits come/came to attend/play in athens for more reasons than cmr (although he was a big reason in alot of cases)...but i'll give u an A for ur slant.
 
and how some "UGA" fans reacted to the firing. The similarities follow along the commitment of recruits and fans to Richt vs. a commitment to the school.

First, not saying that is altogether bad. For the recruits, at least, a coaching staff is their conduit to the school and the face of the institution for a kid not within easy driving distance to Athens. Moreover, the coach is the conduit to playing time at the school... and what one promises versus another is always a factor.

Second, as the parent of a college sophomore and a soon-to-be HS senior, the college choice is a difficult endeavor. Figuring out what you think you might want to be in life is a challenge for most 18 year olds. Understanding which schools have better social opportunities seems to be a much easier choice. So, the commitment - even for my kids - has not been which school would afford them the best education aligned with their 'life goal'; rather, it is 'where might I be the happiest for the next 4 years?' If a coach is selling happiness or comfort, the school is just part of the story. Hang on to that comfort thought, please.

Third, some of these kids have been seeing and hearing from the same coach for 3 years before signing day. That's 17% of their life (for an 18 year old); and more like 38% of their cognitive life if you consider they only began awareness of their athletic abilities and school potential at, say, 10 years of age.

So, when a recruit becomes attached to a coach or a previous coach, it is to be expected. When that situation changes, and the recruit's mind wavers, that is to be expected as well.

What perplexes me is the cult-like fan attraction to the previous coaching staff which simultaneously - on the one hand - has connected with the previous head coach in much the way a teenage recruit does and - on the other hand - can be so reliant on that 'comfort' notion that they are willing to overlook he coach's performance history and trends which belittle the institution they claim to value from the perspective of years of adulthood.

Why did/do fans need the 'comfort' of Mark Richt.

Perhaps at dinner parties, it was comforting to have the 'old crutch' in the pocket in case you happened upon the Bama/Gator/Vol/WarEagle/BengalTiger/Seminole/(now)Clemson fan who could boast about their program's recent success vis-a-vis football. You know, the 'old crutch' which is a.) 'Mark Richt is a good man' (no debate); and, b.) 'We're on a higher mission at UGA.' At which point, one takes on the persona of Jake and Elwood Blues... albeit in red and black. The lack of significant wins, or championships, or NC rings at that point rendered moot and/or base pursuits.

It's like the cognitive dissonance where you recognize you're married to someone who prefers to lie on the couch and eat bon-bons and charge it off to a thyroid condition. I don't get it.

Thank goodness those days are over; at least for now. I wonder if the same nuttiness will follow to Thug U where the expectation for NC rings is much higher and less likely than UGA?

Kirby Smart can succeed or fail... but at least we've made the decision to try harder as an institution. The 'old crutch' is gone. The conversation has become more digital. More about the W's and L's, now.

And, if you're gonna keep score... that's how it ought to be.
If you watch football long enough it has and will be about wins and losses. You make it sound like Richt was only kept because he is a good person. He won a lot of ball games and made the school a lot of money. The stadium was sold out. A lot of UGA fans seem to hold a grudge because he did not win a N/C. He was close a couple of times but luck did not fall his way. I wish Richt all the luck in the world at The U. For some people the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That is until they find out the grass is over a septic tank field. Let it play out and then we will know if it was a good decision.
 
If you watch football long enough it has and will be about wins and losses. You make it sound like Richt was only kept because he is a good person. He won a lot of ball games and made the school a lot of money. The stadium was sold out. A lot of UGA fans seem to hold a grudge because he did not win a N/C. He was close a couple of times but luck did not fall his way. I wish Richt all the luck in the world at The U. For some people the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That is until they find out the grass is over a septic tank field. Let it play out and then we will know if it was a good decision.
we needed a change & kickstart...I'm thankful for what cmr was and did for UGA.
 
we needed a change & kickstart...I'm thankful for what cmr was and did for UGA.
May be true. For the older fans smart needs to average 11 wins per year. If he doesn't McGarity should be fired and the 2 boosters put in a corner.
 
May be true. For the older fans smart needs to average 11 wins per year. If he doesn't McGarity should be fired and the 2 boosters put in a corner.
Smart just needs to make sure we don't get blown out of any games. This not showing up; special team blunders; and annual blowouts is what cost Richt his job.
 
Smart just needs to make sure we don't get blown out of any games. This not showing up; special team blunders; and annual blowouts is what cost Richt his job.

Ultimately the last 2 UF games, along with Bama and Tenn. this season got Him fired. If We'd won the Tenn game, I think He'd of gotten another season. If We'd beaten either Bama or UF, I'm sure he would have.
 
Like Richt said in one of his parting comments, "rings just collect dust". At $4M a year his priority wasn't to win football games. I would have been fine leaving him as the football coach if they had reduced his pay to a school teacher because that was what he wanted to be.
Oh, his priority was to win alright. The comment was just a weak cover. What got him fired was underachieving in the weak side of the league. Mizzou, Mizzou and a UF with freshmen and walk on types starting on the OL winning the last 3 East titles is pitiful. Why is there even a discussion about why he was let go?
 
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CMR just was not good at making his own luck, you do this through attention to detail in all aspects, you recruit yours needs then recruit to the max, you don't let numbers dwindle to probationary levels, you don't keep family and friends in high positions when they are not cutting it, you do not let the SC program go to crap, luck is made, you play the statistics and leverage it with preparation. CMR just did not understand that.

The rings gather dust speech was telling about his mindset and so was the arena speech.. who knows I suspect we will look worse and better at times but we won't know for sure until year 2 or 3.

Kirby is driven, intelligent, and was groomed by the best.... that is what we know.....the rest is up to him.
 
CMR just was not good at making his own luck, you do this through attention to detail in all aspects, you recruit yours needs then recruit to the max, you don't let numbers dwindle to probationary levels, you don't keep family and friends in high positions when they are not cutting it, you do not let the SC program go to crap, luck is made, you play the statistics and leverage it with preparation. CMR just did not understand that.

The rings gather dust speech was telling about his mindset and so was the arena speech.. who knows I suspect we will look worse and better at times but we won't know for sure until year 2 or 3.

Kirby is driven, intelligent, and was groomed by the best.... that is what we know.....the rest is up to him.

CMR's mentor was 3 wide right FG attempts away from winning 5 titles with Richt as His OC.
I'm on board with Kirby but Bowden had the best 14 year run in CFB history, again, just those missed FGs against Miami away from complete domination.
 
and how some "UGA" fans reacted to the firing. The similarities follow along the commitment of recruits and fans to Richt vs. a commitment to the school.

First, not saying that is altogether bad. For the recruits, at least, a coaching staff is their conduit to the school and the face of the institution for a kid not within easy driving distance to Athens. Moreover, the coach is the conduit to playing time at the school... and what one promises versus another is always a factor.

Second, as the parent of a college sophomore and a soon-to-be HS senior, the college choice is a difficult endeavor. Figuring out what you think you might want to be in life is a challenge for most 18 year olds. Understanding which schools have better social opportunities seems to be a much easier choice. So, the commitment - even for my kids - has not been which school would afford them the best education aligned with their 'life goal'; rather, it is 'where might I be the happiest for the next 4 years?' If a coach is selling happiness or comfort, the school is just part of the story. Hang on to that comfort thought, please.

Third, some of these kids have been seeing and hearing from the same coach for 3 years before signing day. That's 17% of their life (for an 18 year old); and more like 38% of their cognitive life if you consider they only began awareness of their athletic abilities and school potential at, say, 10 years of age.

So, when a recruit becomes attached to a coach or a previous coach, it is to be expected. When that situation changes, and the recruit's mind wavers, that is to be expected as well.

What perplexes me is the cult-like fan attraction to the previous coaching staff which simultaneously - on the one hand - has connected with the previous head coach in much the way a teenage recruit does and - on the other hand - can be so reliant on that 'comfort' notion that they are willing to overlook he coach's performance history and trends which belittle the institution they claim to value from the perspective of years of adulthood.

Why did/do fans need the 'comfort' of Mark Richt.

Perhaps at dinner parties, it was comforting to have the 'old crutch' in the pocket in case you happened upon the Bama/Gator/Vol/WarEagle/BengalTiger/Seminole/(now)Clemson fan who could boast about their program's recent success vis-a-vis football. You know, the 'old crutch' which is a.) 'Mark Richt is a good man' (no debate); and, b.) 'We're on a higher mission at UGA.' At which point, one takes on the persona of Jake and Elwood Blues... albeit in red and black. The lack of significant wins, or championships, or NC rings at that point rendered moot and/or base pursuits.

It's like the cognitive dissonance where you recognize you're married to someone who prefers to lie on the couch and eat bon-bons and charge it off to a thyroid condition. I don't get it.

Thank goodness those days are over; at least for now. I wonder if the same nuttiness will follow to Thug U where the expectation for NC rings is much higher and less likely than UGA?

Kirby Smart can succeed or fail... but at least we've made the decision to try harder as an institution. The 'old crutch' is gone. The conversation has become more digital. More about the W's and L's, now.

And, if you're gonna keep score... that's how it ought to be.

Despite your somewhat off base analysis the "bar" has been set rather high. The highest winning percentage in modern UGA football history. Not bad for a guy who didn't even care about winning. This winning percentage despite certain obstacles in place for years, that even the most ardent CMR critics would have to admit are only recently being addressed. Kirby's walking into a great situation, but the expectations are off-the-charts. Ultimately Richt leaving was probably a good thing but not for any of the reasons you stated. Let's hope it works out. Historically it hasn't but maybe UGA and Kirby will become only the 2nd coach to pull it off.
 
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