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i take comfort should cruz win that bachman did the same 4 yrs ago.

I don't see any of these republicans getting more than 25% of the minority vote.

Because of that, they'll need to get around 65% of the white vote to win the presidency.

I don't see any of these republicans able to put up Reagan-like support among whites like that.
 
But in all honesty on the GOP side... Iowa sets Rubio up very well.

If you look at the top 5... he's the only GOP candidate who can be considered "mainstream". Cruz is a far right candidate. Trump is an outsider with no political experience. Carson is an outsider with no political experience. Paul is a pure libertarian.

Assuming those not in the top 5 either quit or get dismissed as "no chance" candidates by the rest of the GOP primary voters, you are left with Rubio as the only non-idealogue option for voters.

Meanwhile, in the race for the "true believers", there are 2-4 options for them to consider. Rubio might not win it... but him being the only mainstream guy in the top 5 is pretty close to a best case scenario for him.
 
Better to hate the enemy of the state than hate the State!

Democrats are not the enemy of Republicans and vice versa. This is not friggin' war. Both parties should want what is best for the country and should respect one another and work together to make that happen. It's called compromise. Unfortunately they're all corrupt as hell and the hate, spite, and vitriol between politicians and the American people means this country is f***ed.
 
Democrats are not the enemy of Republicans and vice versa. This is not friggin' war. Both parties should want what is best for the country and should respect one another and work together to make that happen. It's called compromise. Unfortunately they're all corrupt as hell and the hate, spite, and vitriol between politicians and the American people means this country is f***ed.

LOL, are you kidding? Name one Democrat policy that's for what's best for the Country not best for their party? I mean there has never been a more corrupt POS running than Hillary.

Second question, how do you work with democrat socialists?....And do you really think that hasn't happened the last 7 years?

My guess is you're under 25?
 
LOL, are you kidding? Name one Democrat policy that's for what's best for the Country not best for their party? I mean there has never been a more corrupt POS running than Hillary.

Second question, how do you work with democrat socialists?....And do you really think that hasn't happened the last 7 years?

My guess is you're under 25?

My guess is your IQ is under 25.
 
LOL, are you kidding? Name one Democrat policy that's for what's best for the Country not best for their party? I mean there has never been a more corrupt POS running than Hillary.

Second question, how do you work with democrat socialists?....And do you really think that hasn't happened the last 7 years?

My guess is you're under 25?

More proof of what I was talking about, and no, I'm not under 25. I can name many Democrat and Republican policies that are good and bad for the country. Why bother discussing it with someone with your attitude. As for Republicans and Democrats working together, they rarely work together. Were you born yesterday? How many government shutdowns have we come close to?
 
More proof of what I was talking about, and no, I'm not under 25. I can name many Democrat and Republican policies that are good and bad for the country. Why bother discussing it with someone with your attitude. As for Republicans and Democrats working together, they rarely work together. Were you born yesterday? How many government shutdowns have we come close to?

No, see proof would be disputing my points with facts. Not avoiding them. Try again.
 
Owned what? I don't argue with you, I pity you. It must be sad to be a peckerwood low-information tube like yourself.
Owned what? I don't argue with you, I pity you. It must be sad to be a peckerwood low-information tube like yourself.

I'm smart enough not to double post. Honestly you're just an amusing distraction. No one here takes you seriously. Its clear you're an angry unaccomplished buffoon who can be whoever he wants to be on the internet.

I mean lets be honest. Anyone who enjoys being on the Democrat Plantation can't be taken seriously.
 
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Democrats are not the enemy of Republicans and vice versa. This is not friggin' war. Both parties should want what is best for the country and should respect one another and work together to make that happen. It's called compromise. Unfortunately they're all corrupt as hell and the hate, spite, and vitriol between politicians and the American people means this country is f***ed.
Why shouldn't we hate the crooked sob's and bitches that are screwing us to the wall while telling us they are looking out for us? I do not trust 95 % of them much less the dems who basically have crafted the art of lying to us while blaming someone else or some other plan. It is a war for the freedom of our very God given rights.
 
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LOL, are you kidding? Name one Democrat policy that's for what's best for the Country not best for their party? I mean there has never been a more corrupt POS running than Hillary.

Second question, how do you work with democrat socialists?....And do you really think that hasn't happened the last 7 years?

My guess is you're under 25?

Some people like Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, the Civil Rights Act and Womens Suffrage... all things that democrats brought about. Some people support democratic priorities like universal healthcare, reform of wall street, federal scholarships to aid those from poor families in getting education or preserving the environment.

Not everyone actually likes what the GOP does and don't think it's in the best interest of the nation.
 
Some people like Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, the Civil Rights Act and Womens Suffrage... all things that democrats brought about. Some people support democratic priorities like universal healthcare, reform of wall street, federal scholarships to aid those from poor families in getting education or preserving the environment.

Not everyone actually likes what the GOP does and don't think it's in the best interest of the nation.

Sure some do....BTW the programs you listed were long ago. And I don't think anyone would say they've worked as presented or been successful....The Civil rights act was passed with more Repubs..as if it matters

As to the newer issues you speak of. Sure some support them...mostly dependent ppl. And its designed to keep those ppl and more dependent. I don't think those ppl are capable of thinking past their own desire of free stuff. They have no idea the cost involved (because most won't have to pay it) and they have no idea how restricted it is, and how they don't have control over their own HC.

Same with Education...now this one is really quite funny. Because the ppl bitching about the cost of education are supporting the very ppl that caused the high cost. DemocRATs only want "free" education because they know THEY control it. Its nothing more than indoctrination centers for DemocRATs.

As to Wall Street....This is a big C'mon man, Wall Street is only second to Trial lawyers as supporters of DemocRATs. This isn't even debatable. Yea they'll reform it....to their much BIGGER benefit.

The environment is a canard. The dems use this as a way to control ppl and money. No one wants dirty air or water. But Dems push their "climate change" Hoax as nothing more than to control people and make sure they stay dependent. Think of the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on doing things to "save the planet" Its just the biggest hoax ever in the history of mankind. Its actually proves my theory that Dems depend on the ignorance, stupidity and dependence of their voters.

The problem is Dem's aren't attracting new American voters,..so they push amnesty so they can fill their voter ranks.

Now I'm not a GOP guy. But I don' think they're nearly as corrupt as Democrats. I think mostly they care about the Country. Mostly

Its truly and anti American cabal full of self interest and the enslavement of the populations. Ever hear a DemocRATS talking about Freedom?
 
Sure some do....BTW the programs you listed were long ago. And I don't think anyone would say they've worked as presented or been successful....The Civil rights act was passed with more Repubs..as if it matters

As to the newer issues you speak of. Sure some support them...mostly dependent ppl. And its designed to keep those ppl and more dependent. I don't think those ppl are capable of thinking past their own desire of free stuff. They have no idea the cost involved (because most won't have to pay it) and they have no idea how restricted it is, and how they don't have control over their own HC.

Many disagree with you on this. Conservative parties that agree with the GOP on economics in most other developed nations all support some form of universal healthcare. US conservatives are on an island on this one. Most GOP voters have no idea how healthcare works in other nations or how it compares to our own... most don't really now how little control they have over their healthcare today. But it's fine that you don't like the programs... the point is that many reasonable people (including CONSERVATIVES) disagree.

As for the civil rights act... 153 house democrats voted for it... 136 republicans. 46 senate democrats voted for it. 27 republicans. It was bi-partisan... but it was passed through on the backs of democrats

Same with Education...now this one is really quite funny. Because the ppl bitching about the cost of education are supporting the very ppl that caused the high cost. DemocRATs only want "free" education because they know THEY control it. Its nothing more than indoctrination centers for DemocRATs.

Not sure how you arrived at this one. What has caused high education costs has more to do with the research side of universities and the competition between colleges to get the hottest researchers/faculty (leading to higher salaries for professors, higher dollars spent on facilities to recruit those researchers and higher costs passed on to students). Many state run schools also have had to increase the cost to students because GOP state congresses have cut their funding. It's an issue, but it's laughable that you think it's mainly on the democrats.

As to Wall Street....This is a big C'mon man, Wall Street is only second to Trial lawyers as supporters of DemocRATs. This isn't even debatable. Yea they'll reform it....to their much BIGGER benefit.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/258599-clinton-lags-behind-republicans-in-wall-street-donations

So... not so much. As the article states... Obama took their money and didn't deliver for them... passing Dodd-Frank to restrict them. They've left the democrats and are backing the GOP. The democrats ARE the party fighting wall street today.

The environment is a canard. The dems use this as a way to control ppl and money. No one wants dirty air or water. But Dems push their "climate change" Hoax as nothing more than to control people and make sure they stay dependent. Think of the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on doing things to "save the planet" Its just the biggest hoax ever in the history of mankind. Its actually proves my theory that Dems depend on the ignorance, stupidity and dependence of their voters.

And some people who understand science realize climate change isn't a hoax. But hey... you can believe the moon landing was fake too. Iw on't stop you.

The problem is Dem's aren't attracting new American voters,..so they push amnesty so they can fill their voter ranks.

The problem is the GOP doesn't think anyone who isn't a white Christian IS an american. They are trying to restrict voting rights so that only the "REAL AMERICANS" are able to cast votes.

Now I'm not a GOP guy. But I don' think they're nearly as corrupt as Democrats. I think mostly they care about the Country. Mostly

Its truly and anti American cabal full of self interest and the enslavement of the populations. Ever hear a DemocRATS talking about Freedom?

Yes... democrats talk about freedom.

Freedom to not have to worry about choosing between medical care and food for the poor.
Freedom to choose if you carry a fetus to term or not.

But democrats also care about EQUALITY.
Equal pay for equal work... instead of having minorities and women earning less for the same jobs as white men.
Equal treatment by businesses and the police... instead of being presumed to be a criminal if you're black, an illegal if you're hispanic or a terrorist if you're muslim.
Equal opportunity for education regardless of economic circumstance... instead of having college be something only the wealthy can manage.

Some of us see stuff like healthcare not as enslavement... but rather as a chance to have care if you're sick without losing everything you own. We believe people have a few more basic rights than you do. We believe the right to life means the ability to not die if you're sick because you can't afford treatment. We believe we have a right to compete on an even playing field regardless of race, religion or economic beginnings. And we believe we have a right to have a relatively non-poluted planet to live in.
 
Many disagree with you on this. Conservative parties that agree with the GOP on economics in most other developed nations all support some form of universal healthcare. US conservatives are on an island on this one. Most GOP voters have no idea how healthcare works in other nations or how it compares to our own... most don't really now how little control they have over their healthcare today. But it's fine that you don't like the programs... the point is that many reasonable people (including CONSERVATIVES) disagree.

As for the civil rights act... 153 house democrats voted for it... 136 republicans. 46 senate democrats voted for it. 27 republicans. It was bi-partisan... but it was passed through on the backs of democrats



Not sure how you arrived at this one. What has caused high education costs has more to do with the research side of universities and the competition between colleges to get the hottest researchers/faculty (leading to higher salaries for professors, higher dollars spent on facilities to recruit those researchers and higher costs passed on to students). Many state run schools also have had to increase the cost to students because GOP state congresses have cut their funding. It's an issue, but it's laughable that you think it's mainly on the democrats.



http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/258599-clinton-lags-behind-republicans-in-wall-street-donations

So... not so much. As the article states... Obama took their money and didn't deliver for them... passing Dodd-Frank to restrict them. They've left the democrats and are backing the GOP. The democrats ARE the party fighting wall street today.



And some people who understand science realize climate change isn't a hoax. But hey... you can believe the moon landing was fake too. Iw on't stop you.



The problem is the GOP doesn't think anyone who isn't a white Christian IS an american. They are trying to restrict voting rights so that only the "REAL AMERICANS" are able to cast votes.



Yes... democrats talk about freedom.

Freedom to not have to worry about choosing between medical care and food for the poor.
Freedom to choose if you carry a fetus to term or not.

But democrats also care about EQUALITY.
Equal pay for equal work... instead of having minorities and women earning less for the same jobs as white men.
Equal treatment by businesses and the police... instead of being presumed to be a criminal if you're black, an illegal if you're hispanic or a terrorist if you're muslim.
Equal opportunity for education regardless of economic circumstance... instead of having college be something only the wealthy can manage.

Some of us see stuff like healthcare not as enslavement... but rather as a chance to have care if you're sick without losing everything you own. We believe people have a few more basic rights than you do. We believe the right to life means the ability to not die if you're sick because you can't afford treatment. We believe we have a right to compete on an even playing field regardless of race, religion or economic beginnings. And we believe we have a right to have a relatively non-poluted planet to live in.
YOu can not see the truth trough the lies you spin. Just like your party,
Morally and intellectually bankrupt.
 
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YOu can not see the truth trough the lies you spin. Just like your party,
Morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Feel free not to believe me. I'm simply posting the information for you. I'm not calling you names.

I could... but I won't. That's just how we morally bankrupt people roll... we're polite.
 
Feel free not to believe me. I'm simply posting the information for you. I'm not calling you names.

I could... but I won't. That's just how we morally bankrupt people roll... we're polite.


blah,blah,blah .................but we are $ 19 trillion in debt and the dems want to spend spend spend, sounds good ; but the bill has to be paid !
 
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blah,blah,blah .................but we are $ 19 trillion in debt and the dems want to spend spend spend, sounds good ; but the bill has to be paid !

I agree.

And the last president to get the budget balanced had the last name of "Clinton".
And before that was a guy named LBJ.

You should probably favor the party that has actually proven capable of showing fiscal responsibility if the debt is an important issue to you.
 
Many disagree with you on this. Conservative parties that agree with the GOP on economics in most other developed nations all support some form of universal healthcare. US conservatives are on an island on this one. Most GOP voters have no idea how healthcare works in other nations or how it compares to our own... most don't really now how little control they have over their healthcare today. But it's fine that you don't like the programs... the point is that many reasonable people (including CONSERVATIVES) disagree. .
Well, I don't think so really. We HAD the greatest HC in the World. I don't think leftist understand how it works. See when things are "free" its usually well, its NEVER the best. Its an impossibility. Its human nature. Leftist believe that their good intentions are more important than the results

As for the civil rights act... 153 house democrats voted for it... 136 republicans. 46 senate democrats voted for it. 27 republicans. It was bi-partisan... but it was passed through on the backs of democrats.

BTW thanks for the [/QUOTE] thingy's. Over 80% of the repubs in the house and senate voted for it, less than 65% of dems in both chambers supported it.

Not sure how you arrived at this one. What has caused high education costs has more to do with the research side of universities and the competition between colleges to get the hottest researchers/faculty (leading to higher salaries for professors, higher dollars spent on facilities to recruit those researchers and higher costs passed on to students). Many state run schools also have had to increase the cost to students because GOP state congresses have cut their funding. It's an issue, but it's laughable that you think it's mainly on the democrats..

Easy, if you understand economics. See Government expanded the student loan program, and under POSOTUS even took it over themselves. When there's more money easily available people are going to take advantage...supply and demand. Many more ppl getting access to loans and college creates false demand. The ppl running the schools are mostly leftist, they approve their salries, grants etc. They then leave the teaching to assistants while they "write" I mean I'm all for paying teachers more money. But look at Leftist moonbat Fauxahauntus . She taught one class and was paid $400k per. Now if she cared about the cost of college....ehh...see what I'm getting at. POSOTUS was a lecturer...and way over paid.


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/258599-clinton-lags-behind-republicans-in-wall-street-donations
So... not so much. As the article states... Obama took their money and didn't deliver for them... passing Dodd-Frank to restrict them. They've left the democrats and are backing the GOP. The democrats ARE the party fighting wall street today. .

Na, only recently have they started giving as much to Repubs. Maybe they've learned. But you look that the chain of command in the Dem party. Full of wall street types.


And some people who understand science realize climate change isn't a hoax. But hey... you can believe the moon landing was fake too. Iw on't stop you..

Well sorry. But there is no science that supports "climate change" Theres are reason that " Climate change" has been re-branded so often. Its a hoax. I don't mean to be insulting. But the evidence is so overwhelming its a Hoax. It takes are real umm...gullible person to buy into it. You can't find me a single computer model report that makes the claim its absolute. See they don't pay attention to their lying eyes. Their data THEY input in their computers are put there to get desired results. I mean there were the hacked emails where they were admitting to eachother they were lying. There's the phony hockey stick BS. There's decades of loony predictions and never, ever getting it right to look at....but no, the sheep still lap this BS up because its not science, its their religion.



The problem is the GOP doesn't think anyone who isn't a white Christian IS an american. They are trying to restrict voting rights so that only the "REAL AMERICANS" are able to cast votes..

Sorry, but that's just stupid. There were Hispanics, Blacks, Indian, Women etc running for President on the GOP side. Old white ppl on the Democrat side. Now tell me, How can the GOP restrict voting rights ? And shouldn't only REAL AMERICANS VOTE???? Seriously, please answer those points??? Please.



Yes... democrats talk about freedom.

Freedom to not have to worry about choosing between medical care and food for the poor.
Freedom to choose if you carry a fetus to term or not.

But democrats also care about EQUALITY.
Equal pay for equal work... instead of having minorities and women earning less for the same jobs as white men.
Equal treatment by businesses and the police... instead of being presumed to be a criminal if you're black, an illegal if you're hispanic or a terrorist if you're muslim.
Equal opportunity for education regardless of economic circumstance... instead of having college be something only the wealthy can manage..

Where? give me a link to a speech? And name a single person that doesn't have equality? These are silly, silly emotional arguments. I'm really so tired of the "blacks " or "insert you group here" aren't treated equally buy "insert your villian here" Its tired and lame. I've been hearing the same BS since I was 8 years old. How about instead of making a overblown emotional argument. Give me something here?

All blacks are not treated the same, all Hispanics aren't treated the same, all Muslims aren't treated the same. lets look

Blacks: Commit most of the crime, most of the violent crime, do most of the gun crime. Fact! So they'll have more contact with police. Now what would you rather have. The police ignoring these crimes? Because mostly they commit the crime in black neighborhoods. Would you rather these neighborhoods be unprotected? Also your argument is again based on emotion and an overstatement of the issue. Cops don't kill blacks all the time, its not some sort of conspiracy or crisis. More whites are killed by cops. The number of blacks killed is small, and the LARGE overwhelming majority of the times its completely justified.

No one has ever said all Hispanics are illegal. Why do you have to dramatize to try and make a point? But Most ILLEGALS are Hispanics. Do you believe we have a Sovereign Country? If Not why not? Please answer.

Muslims??? Muslims have an issue? Do you think their better off here in America than the shitholes they ran from? Do we see them being beat in the streets, run out of towns, afraid to go out in public? No, they carry on like every Other American. The point is leftist make arguments that aren't there to make. And the reason....Its trying to stir ppl up and make them out to be victims that only Democrats can save....See how it works?

Some of us see stuff like healthcare not as enslavement... but rather as a chance to have care if you're sick without losing everything you own. We believe people have a few more basic rights than you do. We believe the right to life means the ability to not die if you're sick because you can't afford treatment. We believe we have a right to compete on an even playing field regardless of race, religion or economic beginnings. And we believe we have a right to have a relatively non-poluted planet to live in.


Again, another strawman argument. Who loses everything they own? Does it happen. I'm sure it has, but again not a crisis.

Now to the rights question. You feel that you can use the power of the Government to access the labor of others? I mean someone has to pay right? There was never anyone in the Country that didn't have access to HC..Not a single person. We have medicade, medicare, and no one is refused service in an emergency room. So once again, its really a BS argument. The ONLY reason liberals want national HC, its about Control. Once the control your HC, they control YOU. Hence they never ,EVER talk about FREEDOM.

As the the even playing field....God talk about cliches. Everyone in the USC has an even playing field. The problem is the Dems have convinced so many ppl they're victims, when they have a road block in their life its automatically , the standed democRATS excuses, Race, Creed, Religion...The only person that has to live with the choices they make in life are Southern white males.

As to the polluted planet? Is it your position that Conservatives want a polluted planet? Do you believe we have our on hidden away secret supply of air and water? I mean to you see how utterly stupid these liberal talking points are???? You have to, you don't strike me as being stupid....
 
I agree.

And the last president to get the budget balanced had the last name of "Clinton".
And before that was a guy named LBJ.

You should probably favor the party that has actually proven capable of showing fiscal responsibility if the debt is an important issue to you.

Two points. The budget was never balanced. Both dems and repubs like to take credit for that. It was a lie by both sides. Base line budgeting is a canard.

Second point, as much as it was a lie. The fact was the Repubs brought Clinton along kicking and screaming and he finally agreed to Welfare reform to try and secure his legacy.
 
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Feel free not to believe me. I'm simply posting the information for you. I'm not calling you names.

I could... but I won't. That's just how we morally bankrupt people roll... we're polite.
I'm very polite until one tries to take my earnings and freedom. You just happen to be on the side of the freedom killers. I'm not subscribing to the modern enslavement of a race to secure votes and power for evil politicians. I'm sure you are a nice guy, just misinformed. I would offer you drink at my tail gate if we had just met during a home game.
 
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