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I wouldn’t say Obama and Biden gave a peaceful transfer

of power . Nor have democrats accepted the results of the election. So why is everyone worry about Trump ? The democrats and media haven’t accepted the results in the last election. Are they going to accept 2020 results? Yeah only if it goes their way .
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of power . Nor have democrats accepted the results of the election. So why is everyone worry about Trump ? The democrats and media haven’t accepted the results in the last election. Are they going to accept 2020 results? Yeah only if it goes their way .
And yet Obama controlled the vast power of the federal government and managed a peaceful transition of power to Trump. If fact, there were no conditions, no dire scenarios shared. Just a transition of power. Trump has stated clearly and repeatedly that the only possible way he losses is through massive voter fraud (something even his own FBI director states there is no evidence of) and he and his proxies like Barr are absolutely setting up a situation that will almost certainly lead to bloodshed.

This is one of the absolutely worst "wahtaboutism" I have seen yet, and that is truly saying something.

 
And yet Obama controlled the vast power of the federal government and managed a peaceful transition of power to Trump. If fact, there were no conditions, no dire scenarios shared. Just a transition of power. Trump has stated clearly and repeatedly that the only possible way he losses is through massive voter fraud (something even his own FBI director states there is no evidence of) and he and his proxies like Barr are absolutely setting up a situation that will almost certainly lead to bloodshed.

This is one of the absolutely worst "wahtaboutism" I have seen yet, and that is truly saying something.

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I prefer Whataburgerism....
 
And yet Obama controlled the vast power of the federal government and managed a peaceful transition of power to Trump. If fact, there were no conditions, no dire scenarios shared. Just a transition of power. Trump has stated clearly and repeatedly that the only possible way he losses is through massive voter fraud (something even his own FBI director states there is no evidence of) and he and his proxies like Barr are absolutely setting up a situation that will almost certainly lead to bloodshed.

This is one of the absolutely worst "wahtaboutism" I have seen yet, and that is truly saying something.

What in the hell was peaceful about the Obama administration using the FBI, Sate Department, NSA, and CIA to create a Russia collusion hoax to justify spying on the Trump administration and the democrats working to impeach President Trump based on some made up BS? I sure as hell wouldn’t call that a peaceful transfer of power.

Let’s also not forget Maxine Waters call to harass members of the Trump administration.
 
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What in the hell was peaceful about the Obama administration using the FBI, Sate Department, NSA, and CIA to create a Russia collusion hoax to justify spying on the Trump administration and the democrats working to impeach President Trump based on some made up BS? I sure as hell wouldn’t call that a peaceful transfer of power.
They didn't "create" the well documented interactions between various senior members of the Trump campaign and various direct and indirect proxies of Russia, as well as numerous other other foreign actors. The bipartisan report from the Senate confirmed that Russia did in fact interfere in the 2016 election, they did it at scale, and that Paul Manafort and others had many direct and indirect interactions with Russian representatives. By the way, every single intelligence service of this country has stated categorically Russia is doing it again. It is difficult to determine why the President hasn't spoken out about Russia on this topic.

You saying it didn't happen doesn't make it true. It happened, it happened over many meetings and communications and lest you forget, Trump himself requested Russian involvement during a live press conference. So yes, certainly enough there to launch an investigation.

Read the first twenty pages of this report and explain to me again how it was a hoax.

 
They didn't "create" the well documented interactions between various senior members of the Trump campaign and various direct and indirect proxies of Russia, as well as numerous other other foreign actors. The bipartisan report from the Senate confirmed that Russia did in fact interfere in the 2016 election, they did it at scale, and that Paul Manafort and others had many direct and indirect interactions with Russian representatives. By the way, every single intelligence service of this country has stated categorically Russia is doing it again. It is difficult to determine why the President hasn't spoken out about Russia on this topic.

You saying it didn't happen doesn't make it true. It happened, it happened over many meetings and communications and lest you forget, Trump himself requested Russian involvement during a live press conference. So yes, certainly enough there to launch an investigation.

Read the first twenty pages of this report and explain to me again how it was a hoax.

You apparently have either ignored or are not familiar with how many of the chance meetings with Russian representatives were coordinated by those involved in the “investigation”. Several of the Russian representatives had interactions with numerous individuals in the State Department, FBI, and CIA, so how about we accuse them of collusion as well and investigate them for a few years? Russia and China both want our country in chaos and have been working to influence our politics for decades and the democrats have certainly done their part to create chaos in our country. How about the billions of dollars funneled to our universities through Confucius Institutes which spread communist propaganda? Guess you don’t have a problem with that do you?

Russia has worked to influence our elections, but Trump campaign did not collude with them. A team of FBI agents and lawyers spent 4 years investigating the Trump administration and found no collusion. Yet we have proof that the Hillary campaign conspired with foreign intelligence individuals to attempt to find dirt on Trump.
 
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You apparently have either ignored or are not familiar with how many of the chance meetings with Russian representatives were coordinated by those involved in the “investigation”. Several of the Russian representatives had interactions with numerous individuals in the State Department, FBI, and CIA, so how about we accuse them of collusion as well and investigate them for a few years? Russia and China both want our country in chaos and have been working to influence our politics for decades and the democrats have certainly done their part to create chaos in our country. How about the billions of dollars funneled to our universities through Confucius Institutes which spread communist propaganda? Guess you don’t have a problem with that do you?
You didn't read the first twenty pages of the report, did you?

Wray just yesterday confirmed that several foreign states are attempted to interfere in the election but that Russia's activities are more extensive.

This doesn't sound like a hoax at all, does it? Also, I challenge you to find me a SINGLE quote or video from this year of Trump strongly condemning Russia and threatening repercussions for interfering in our elections AGAIN. You can't find it because it doesn't exists.

But guess what? I can share with you quotes from two days ago of Trump talking about how he and Putin are Friends. Weird, right?


Here is Wray identifying the threat last week.

"FBI Director Christopher Wray on Thursday described “very active efforts” by Russia to interfere in the 2020 election, primarily by working to damage former Vice President and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

Wray said Russians have been using social media, as well as “proxies, state media, online journals" and other vehicles to hurt Biden and what it views as anti-Russian factions in U.S. politics.

Wray’s assessment affirms the findings of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which last month described Russia’s efforts to damage Biden and specifically identified Andriy Derkach, a pro-Russian Ukrainian lawmaker who has met with President Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, as an agent of Russia’s influence operations."

 
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You didn't read the first twenty pages of the report, did you?

Wray just yesterday confirmed that several foreign states are attempted to interfere in the election but that the extent of Russia's activities are more extensive.

This doesn't sound like a hoax at all, does it? Also, I challenge you to find me a SINGLE quote or video from this year of Trump strongly condemning Russia and threatening repercussions for interfering in our elections AGAIN. You can't find it because it doesn't exists.

But guess what? I can share with you quotes from two days ago of Trump talking about how he and Putin are Friends. Weird, right?


Here is Wray identifying the threat last week.

"FBI Director Christopher Wray on Thursday described “very active efforts” by Russia to interfere in the 2020 election, primarily by working to damage former Vice President and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

Wray said Russians have been using social media, as well as “proxies, state media, online journals" and other vehicles to hurt Biden and what it views as anti-Russian factions in U.S. politics.

Wray’s assessment affirms the findings of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which last month described Russia’s efforts to damage Biden and specifically identified Andriy Derkach, a pro-Russian Ukrainian lawmaker who has met with President Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, as an agent of Russia’s influence operations."

You’re still missing the point! Russia is working against us and has been for decades, but the Trump administration has not colluded with Russia! Of course Russia is going to make it appear they are working against Biden knowing that the democrats are going to take the bait. They knew how the liberal media would play it. Look how easy you libs are played. Democrats make an accusation, Russia plays its part to make it look like the accusation is valid, and people like you believe it to be the truth. You’re the pawn!

So I guess the Trump administration placing sanctions on said Russian agent doesn’t equal condemning Russia’s interference?

Washington — The Trump administration announced Thursday it has sanctioned a pro-Russia Ukrainian lawmaker who has been spreading unsubstantiated allegations designed to hurt Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden for attempting to influence the U.S. presidential election.

The Treasury Department said the lawmaker, Andriy Derkach, has been an "active Russian agent" for more than a decade and has close ties to Russian intelligence. Since late 2019, Derkach has "waged a covert influence campaign centered on cultivating false and unsubstantiated narratives concerning U.S. officials in the upcoming 2020 presidential election, spurring corruption investigations in both Ukraine and the U.S. designed to culminate prior to election day," the agency said.

Also, Trump has been tough in general against Russia. I pay attention to the actual policies that the Trump administration implements to determine Trump’s stance on an issue. Actions are greater than words. Trump can say that Putin is an angel, but if Trump’s policies are kicking Putin in the nutsack then I’d say that he’s not a friend of Putin.


Do you not have any issues with the China financed Confucius Institutes? You were oddly silent on that issue in your response.
 
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Some of you guys defending the Obama administration & his DOJ/FBI sure did jump in this thread on the wrong day with all the new documents being dumped.

Maybe just maybe if you’d quit listening to the propaganda you think is news you’d begin to understand what occurred, just how bad it was, and how badly you’ve been lied to.

Actual documents, not paid for Russian propaganda that you’ve been fed:















Peaceful transition of power my ass
 
Some of you guys defending the Obama administration & his DOJ/FBI sure did jump in this thread on the wrong day with all the new documents being dumped.

Maybe just maybe if you’d quit listening to the propaganda you think is news you’d begin to understand what occurred, just how bad it was, and how badly you’ve been lied to.

Actual documents, not paid for Russian propaganda that you’ve been fed:















Peaceful transition of power my ass

Exactly!
 
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It’s simply amazing how they continue to believe pure propaganda, actual propaganda, while ignoring actual documents in these coup plotters own words.

Russia Russia Russia

Meanwhile actual documents were released yesterday showing the son of the former VP & current presidential candidate obtaining $3.5 million from the wife of a Russian oligarch & former mayor of fvcking Moscow while his dad was VP. Not rumors, not some paid for political hit job, but actual receipts of wire transfers in a senate report
 
And yet Obama controlled the vast power of the federal government and managed a peaceful transition of power to Trump. If fact, there were no conditions, no dire scenarios shared. Just a transition of power. Trump has stated clearly and repeatedly that the only possible way he losses is through massive voter fraud (something even his own FBI director states there is no evidence of) and he and his proxies like Barr are absolutely setting up a situation that will almost certainly lead to bloodshed.

This is one of the absolutely worst "wahtaboutism" I have seen yet, and that is truly saying something.

Yeah, because he thought they would have enough dirt on PDT to have him removed from office. He was smiling like a Cheshire cat and acting like he had grace similar to prison guards escorting prisoners to the electric chair.
 
It’s simply amazing how they continue to believe pure propaganda, actual propaganda, while ignoring actual documents in these coup plotters own words.

Russia Russia Russia

Meanwhile actual documents were released yesterday showing the son of the former VP & current presidential candidate obtaining $3.5 million from the wife of a Russian oligarch & former mayor of fvcking Moscow while his dad was VP. Not rumors, not some paid for political hit job, but actual receipts of wire transfers in a senate report
I'll be awaiting all the indictments that have been promised and are sure to follow. Or perhaps the fact that they are releasing all this material is a very clear indicator that they don't have anything criminal (again, as long promised) and are dumping the docs to try and change the horrible negative momentum Trump is seeing in the polls. It won't work.
 
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I'll be awaiting all the indictments that have been promised and are sure to follow. Or perhaps the fact that they are releasing all this material is a very clear indicator that they don't have anything criminal (again, as long promised) and are dumping the docs to try and change the horrible negative momentum Trump is seeing in the polls. It won't work.
Biden had 10 people show up to his last rally. Trump had thousands. Take your head out of the ground.
 
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