If The Heisman meant anything, Christian McCaffrey would win it..

[HeulenHund2]

McCaffrey is 2nd in CFL in rushing, Henry is 1st with around 130 more yards than CM.
McCaffrey also has over 500 yards receiving, his combined rushing/receiving yards exceeds Henry's by over 300 yards. Add in McCaffrey's 1040 plus yards on kick returns and He blows Henry's production away.
In fact CM broke Barry Sanders' all time record for total yards. So how is it Henry's season that is just average compared to most years' rushing leader netting The Heisman over the all time great season McCaffrey had ? because that's what media buzz says will happen, when is the last time voters have gone against chatter ?

So Heisman voters have a chance to right the ship that has become something akin to America's Got Talent, but of course they won't.

 

[Tony0931]

He racked up 1000 extra CHEAP yds by running EVERY kick out to get this record- kid knew his shit. He averaged a touchback...took 36....THIRTY-SIX kicks out....that's ABSURD and a pretty damn weak average at that...

 

[Tony0931]

He racked up 1000 extra CHEAP yds by running EVERY kick out to get this record- kid knew his shit. He averaged a touchback...took 36....THIRTY-SIX kicks out....that's ABSURD and a pretty damn weak average at that...

I mean- I KNOW Henry is AT BEST the 3rd RB in SEC before Chubb injury- but McCAffrey skewed his stats by padding them w bs KO returns...

 

[oletex]

McCaffrey is 2nd in CFL in rushing, Henry is 1st with around 130 more yards than CM.
McCaffrey also has over 500 yards receiving, his combined rushing/receiving yards exceeds Henry's by over 300 yards. Add in McCaffrey's 1040 plus yards on kick returns and He blows Henry's production away.
In fact CM broke Barry Sanders' all time record for total yards. So how is it Henry's season that is just average compared to most years' rushing leader netting The Heisman over the all time great season McCaffrey had ? because that's what media buzz says will happen, when is the last time voters have gone against chatter ?

So Heisman voters have a chance to right the ship that has become something akin to America's Got Talent, but of course they won't.

Several things: Henry ran into big time defenses behind a rebuilt OL and with a shaky QB/wr corps, especially early on. They turned the ball over 5 times vs Ole Miss in the first contest. Stanford kid had a qb/balanced attack/OL in front of him.

They finally figured out what they could do and that was bludgeon til people gave in and he was the ball peen hammer. 90 carries the last two games. Henry was a freak at that, in maybe the best shape of any athlete in memory.

Much voting was significantly done before McC blew up the last week. He was strong all year but didn't have nearly the exposure Henry did playing for UA and in the SEC and on CBS many Saturdays.

I agree Stanford guy had an amazing season and it is a shame if he doesn't win but Bama would not be in the playoffs with he at TB, nor healthy Chubb, nor 4nette. They had one chance with their lack of big time Ol/skill players and he fit the bill perfectly, an animal who got stronger and stronger as the game and season went on. McC is obviously the better athlete, in fact Henry could have been the best LB or DE in CFB and maybe should have been one of those.

Finally this was the year of the great DC in the SEC. Smart, Collins, Pruitt, Muschamp, Chavis, and the guy @ Mizzou and Henry faced many if not most of them geared to do one thing, jam the LOS and tackle him and in the end it failed. If he wins he is worthy but so is the player at Stanford, a truly explosive, once in a lifetime performer. But the pub on him came maybe too late. JMO.

 

[Dawgman94]

Look both are great backs if you look but you think about it if Henry fased pac 12 defenses. He would put up better numbers than Christian. I can garontee Christian would not start for any sec team. He is not a sec running back

 

[HeulenHund2]

I mean- I KNOW Henry is AT BEST the 3rd RB in SEC before Chubb injury- but McCAffrey skewed his stats by padding them w bs KO returns...

McCaffrey is 2nd in CFB in rushing yards.
He has over 500 yards receiving, with an average per catch of 13.4, which is WR like.
Yes he gained over 1000 yards on kick returns, his average of 28.9 per return is anything but weak, it's 6th best in CFB. He did so while being worn down being the primary runner AND a top target in the passing game.
His resume is superior to Henry's.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Look both are great backs if you look but you think about it if Henry fased pac 12 defenses. He would put up better numbers than Christian. I can garontee Christian would not start for any sec team. He is not a sec running back

How can You guarantee CM wouldn't start in The SEC ? because He's white ?
I've watched him play, he is a better overall player than Henry. That said, he will likely play receiver in The NFL. I can think of 4 Heisman winners similar to McCaffrey who didn't have near his level of production.

 

[Dawgman94]

How can You guarantee CM wouldn't start in The SEC ? because He's white ?
I've watched him play, he is a better overall player than Henry. That said, he will likely play receiver in The NFL. I can think of 4 Heisman winners similar to McCaffrey who didn't have near his level of production.

No I'm not saying that just they both fite there systems. What I'm saying that Henry is a better back because he faced tougher compittion.

 

[HeulenHund2]

No I'm not saying that just they both fite there systems. What I'm saying that Henry is a better back because he faced tougher compittion.

First, McCaffrey plays in a more traditional pro-set offense than Henry does.
Also the record is clear these big straight line runners Bama produces are at best a mixed bag when they play in The NFL.
Henry is having a run of the mill season, very good, but not special in any historical sense. CM on the other hand is having an all time great season.

 

[Dawgman94]

First, McCaffrey plays in a more traditional pro-set offense than Henry does.
Also the record is clear these big straight line runners Bama produces are at best a mixed bag when they play in The NFL.
Henry is having a run of the mill season, very good, but not special in any historical sense. CM on the other hand is having an all time great season.

Ok thanks for the info I hade no idea cm was putting up these kind of numbers.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Ok thanks for the info I hade no idea cm was putting up these kind of numbers.

I'm just saying CM has set an all time record for total yards while Henry's production is about on par with what normally leads the SEC, and far below what Mason produced at Auburn a couple of years ago.

Nothing at all against Henry, I wish We'd had Him this season.
If You look at past Heisman winners, what CM has done is similar to, but superior to what several have done.

 

[Dawgman94]

I'm just saying CM has set an all time record for total yards while Henry's production is about on par with what normally leads the SEC, and far below what Mason produced at Auburn a couple of years ago.

Nothing at all against Henry, I wish We'd had Him this season.
If You look at past Heisman winners, what CM has done is similar to, but superior to what several have done.

You know after hearing you cm might deserve it. But the argument will be well Hernys team is in the plays

 

[HeulenHund2]

You know after hearing you cm might deserve it. But the argument will be well Hernys team is in the plays

I think he basically inherited it from Fournette when the Tiger floundered.
Also I think skin shade is a factor, though subconsciously so.

 

[Dawgman94]

I think he basically inherited it from Fournette when the Tiger floundered.
Also I think skin shade is a factor, though subconsciously so.

Hmm interesting take it could also be some sec clout.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Hmm interesting
take it could also be some sec clout.

I think all 3 are likely.

I have to correct Myself though. Henry did break HW's season SEC rushing record, though with an extra game.
That puts a bit of a different light on the race, but IMO McCaffrey still deserves to win.

 

[Dawgman94]

I think all 3 are likely.

I have to correct Myself though. Henry did break HW's season SEC rushing record, though with an extra game.
That puts a bit of a different light on the race, but IMO McCaffrey still deserves to win.

Mc does deserve it my dad was at UGA the same time Hershel was ,

 

[ZappaDawg]

Historical records don't mean anything anymore. The idiots who run college football made that happen by including championship games and bowls, without at least going back and including past bowl games. The stats are easy to find for the past fifty years. Quit mentioning Barry Sanders. Or Herschel Walker.

I realize that, unfortunately, nothing can be done about 12 game versus 11 game schedules, but all games past that point should be treated as the NFL does, as separate records. If Henry plays in the championship game, he'll have FOUR more games to add to his total than Walker had. McCaffrey will have three more games than Barry Sanders. The "records" aren't real to me. Yards per game is the only fair measurable anymore.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Historical records don't mean anything anymore. The idiots who run college football made that happen by including championship games and bowls, without at least going back and including past bowl games. The stats are easy to find for the past fifty years. Quit mentioning Barry Sanders. Or Herschel Walker.

I realize that, unfortunately, nothing can be done about 12 game versus 11 game schedules, but all games past that point should be treated as the NFL does, as separate records. If Henry plays in the championship game, he'll have FOUR more games to add to his total than Walker had. McCaffrey will have three more games than Barry Sanders. The "records" aren't real to me. Yards per game is the only fair measurable anymore.

You can't really qualify from generation to generation or offensive scheme to offensive scheme, but it's easy math to get per game averages.

In Sanders' historic 1988 season he averaged 295 total yards per game, mostly rushing.
With His bowl game left to play McCaffrey is averaging 269 total yards per game. While Sanders' rushing yards are from another planet, McCaffrey is much better as a receiver and has over twice as many return yards.
McCaffrey will likely be a receiver in The NFL, and I'm betting a damn good one, but Barry Sanders he ain't.

 

[Dawgman94]

Let's just agree both are great backs for there teams. But Christian deserves the heisman

 

[HeulenHund2]

Let's just agree both are great backs for there teams. But Christian deserves the heisman

Agreed.
Of course Chubb would of whipped em both.

 

[oletex]

I think he basically inherited it from Fournette when the Tiger floundered.
Also I think skin shade is a factor, though subconsciously so.

Drop the tendency to view things in racial terms. Truth is both in their own way have had seriously great years. The kid at Stanford just became a headliner a little later, without all the fanfare and when the issue was all pretty much settled and many of the votes already cast. He is a better athlete but a better football player? I doubt it. I look forward to watching him perform another year since he is only a soph. Problem he has is many people are like me, I haven't seen him perform a single play. His coach, Shaw, says he is quick as any human he has seen.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

I think he basically inherited it from Fournette when the Tiger floundered.
Also I think skin shade is a factor, though subconsciously so.

Willbon agrees with you on that. I really don't care who wins, just thing Navy QB should be in NY after this game.