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Isolationism is no longer an option, and technology is the reason.....

-lowcountrydawg

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Even if you subscribe (I don't) to the notion that the US has no obligation to prevent mass atrocities and genocide around the world, I assume you support the notion of defending our soil.

Historically, you could argue that staying out of the game of preventing mass atrocities abroad was justified because the groups committing those acts were not a threat to us. I would argue that allowing a terrorist state in Afghanistan led to Al Queda and 9/11, but for the purposes of this discussion, I will even concede that point.

Here is the difference today. Every day you allow ISIS to exist - they grow. Why? Because they have social media and use it to broadcast their well produced propaganda as their vehicle to grow. Not within the middle east, but in the West. In Europe. In America. There are probably dozens of domestic terrorists in the US being created daily with this stuff. When Al Queda was hiding in caves, the most we would see is a three month old video of Bin Laden with an AK in the background. Technology wasn't being used the way it is today.

If we don't put our American Heroes at risk on the ground to wipe out this evil, and do it in a very public way - this movement will remain "sexy" to troubled youth. It is a powder keg waiting to blow up, and it already has in France. If we don't engage our military to do this, what the hell are they for? If our president does not put folks on the ground in a meaningful way to wipe these guys out, it is crystal clear that fulfilling campaign promises and one man's legacy of the liberal Reagan is more important than protecting our people. Our kids, our wives.

Our political correctness and the desire to fulfill a political agenda is going to get a lot of people killed.
 
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Even if you subscribe (I don't) to the notion that the US has no obligation to prevent mass atrocities and genocide around the world, I assume you support the notion of defending our soil.

Historically, you could argue that staying out of the game of preventing mass atrocities abroad was justified because the groups committing those acts were not a threat to us. I would argue that allowing a terrorist state in Afghanistan led to Al Queda and 9/11, but for the purposes of this discussion, I will even concede that point.

Here is the difference today. Every day you allow ISIS to exist - they grow. Why? Because they have social media and use it to broadcast their well produced propaganda as their vehicle to grow. Not within the middle east, but in the West. In Europe. In America. There are probably dozens of domestic terrorists in the US being created daily with this stuff. When Al Queda was hiding in caves, the most we would see is a three month old video of Bin Laden with an AK in the background. Technology wasn't being used the way it is today.

If we don't put our American Heroes at risk on the ground to wipe out this evil, and do it in a very public way - this movement will remain "sexy" to troubled youth. It is a powder keg waiting to blow up, and it already has in France. If we don't engage our military to do this, what the hell are they for? If our president does not put folks on the ground in a meaningful way to wipe these guys out, it is crystal clear that fulfilling campaign promises and one man's legacy of the liberal Reagan is more important than protecting our people. Our kids, our wives.

Our political correctness and the desire to fulfill a political agenda is going to get a lot of people killed.

Hey, all for it as long as they reinstate the draft including for college kids. The reality is that essentially none of the people wanting to go to ground war will send any of their family members to do the fighting. Those who have family members who go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Africa and South America to fight all these wars (yes I said South America-Columbia primarily) aren't so excited to get our family members shot at again to try again to fix bushes stupid war. Let them fight it out and strategically bomb. Notice Isis hasn't moved east? Iran and Russia are going to be or are our best allies in this thing-that's how f'ed up the Middle East is.
 
Hey, all for it as long as they reinstate the draft including for college kids. The reality is that essentially none of the people wanting to go to ground war will send any of their family members to do the fighting. Those who have family members who go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Africa and South America to fight all these wars (yes I said South America-Columbia primarily) aren't so excited to get our family members shot at again to try again to fix bushes stupid war. Let them fight it out and strategically bomb. Notice Isis hasn't moved east? Iran and Russia are going to be or are our best allies in this thing-that's how f'ed up the Middle East is.
Don't understand the logic. Seems like the draft would be a reason not to send people, as they didn't volunteer for duty. Ask the special forces guys who would be doing the majority of the fighting how they feel about it.

And add me to the list of people who think we need to go kill these guys over there to protect all of us, but unwilling to go myself or afraid to send my kids. It is what our military heroes are trained to do, and because those guys have volunteered to put their lives on the line to protect the rest of us - they are 10x the man I am. Men like my grandfather, who parachuted into Holland, or my cousin - a bomb squad guy. Those guys are heroes.

The concepts of wanting to do what is necessary to protect our country, even if it risks the lives of the good guys, and at the same time being unwilling to encourage our kids to volunteer are not mutually exclusive.
 
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