I've found that attitudes about marijuana are a good litmus test about people and their general...

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

ability to identify with every day people. E.g, I've noticed that people who call marijuana "dope" or worse, "whacky backy", tend to be a little out of touch. This leads me to to the POTUS debate the other night, and the prevailing attitude on stage, specifically regarding "marijuana being a gateway drug". To just categorically say this about a fairly important issue, troubles me. Nobody could accuse the candidates on stage of being stupid, but it does give me pause regarding their analytical skills. Just because there is correlation, doesn't mean there's causation. By the flawed logic on stage, cigarettes and alcohol are also gateway drugs. But nobody is crying about them, not with their lobbies, and they actually kill. And just because people work their way up the ladder with experimentation, doesn't mean that there's anything connecting weed to heroin or meth. With that level of willingness to understand a simpler issue like this, makes me wonder about their ability to process far more complicated issues.

 

[FeralDawg]

What if they called it a left-handed cigarrette? Or stated "We should not legalize the Chronic!"? That's the last thing I care about. Hell, I'm 48 and still say dope. Doesn't make me unable to process complicated issues. Just means I used to 'Smoke a lot of dope'. Used to love the 'Mary Jane' as well. People and their word usage is usually a generational by-product more than an inability to use logic. Forgive and forget.

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

What if they called it a left-handed cigarrette? Or stated "We should not legalize the Chronic!"? That's the last thing I care about. Hell, I'm 48 and still say dope. Doesn't make me unable to process complicated issues. Just means I used to 'Smoke a lot of dope'. Used to love the 'Mary Jane' as well. People and their word usage is usually a generational by-product more than an inability to use logic. Forgive and forget.

It was an observation that set up my point. Nothing more. And it obviously doesn't apply to everyone.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Most politicians who rail against weed are out and out hypocrites. They were happy to compare smoking to a harmless beer last night. Ask them about the millions of broken homes, murders and early deaths from poisoned livers caused by booze, or the millions of deaths from tobacco which the republicans supported virtually to the last day possible while repeating the tobacco industry's lies for 20 years after they all knew the truth.

Put me in the support the legalization box, just in case it wasn't already obvious.

 

[NavyDawg22]

ability to identify with every day people. E.g, I've noticed that people who call marijuana "dope" or "whacky backy", tend to be a little out of touch. This leads me to to the POTUS debate the other night, and the prevailing attitude on stage, specifically regarding "marijuana being a gateway drug". To just categorically say this about a fairly important issue, troubles me. Nobody could accuse the candidates on stage of being stupid, but it does give me pause regarding their analytical skills. Just because there is correlation, doesn't mean there's causation. By the flawed logic on stage, cigarettes and alcohol are also gateway drugs. But nobody is crying about them, not with their lobbies, and they actually kill. And just because people work their way up the ladder with experimentation, doesn't mean that there's anything connecting weed to heroin or meth. With that level of willingness to understand a simpler issue like this, makes me wonder about their ability to process far more complicated issues.

Baron, I grew up in Alaska back when growing your own pot was legal. I also grew up in Seattle and I still occasionally use the word dope. Saying the use of the word itself is a litmus test is laughable. I agree with the rest of your statement but not with the use of the word. That is just wacky!

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

Baron, I grew up in Alaska back when growing your own pot was legal. I also grew up in Seattle and I still occasionally use the word dope. Saying the use of the word itself is a litmus test is laughable. I agree with the rest of your statement but not with the use of the word. That is just wacky!

The word dope isn't the point or the litmus test. If that word distracts from the larger point, forget I said it. The point remains the same.

 

[HeulenHund2]

The word dope isn't the point or the litmus test. If that word distracts from the larger point, forget I said it. The point remains the same.

I can dig where you're comin from Dude.

 

[dirtytoeddawg]

I couldn't beleive what I heard when Christie used the old "gateway" drug line, then I thought Rand was going to make him look foolish and out of touch with his sentiment towards weed and Rand wound up crapping the bed with some concocted story of a single mom needing medicinal for her poor child.

It's just amazing how out of touch so many GOP politicians are with the general consensus of the public.

BTW, Colorados tax revenues from pot just eclipsed thier revenues from alcohol.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/debrabo...os-pot-tax-revenues-are-higher-than-alcohols/

 

[HeulenHund2]

I couldn't beleive what I heard when Christie used the old "gateway" drug line, then I thought Rand was going to make him look foolish and out of touch with his sentiment towards weed and Rand wound up crapping the bed with some concocted story of a single mom needing medicinal for her poor child.

It's just amazing how out of touch so many GOP politicians are with the general consensus of the public.

BTW, Colorados tax revenues from pot just eclipsed thier revenues from alcohol.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/debrabo...os-pot-tax-revenues-are-higher-than-alcohols/

I found myself agreeing with Rand far more than any of the other candidates last night. I agree though, he punked out a bit in answering the weed question.
He was very good in addressing the questions on intervening in The Mid-East though.

 

[NavyDawg22]

It should be legalized for those over 21 with the same type of restrictions. They are working on a test right now for drivers.

 

[Fivehade]

ability to identify with every day people. E.g, I've noticed that people who call marijuana "dope" or worse, "whacky backy", tend to be a little out of touch. This leads me to to the POTUS debate the other night, and the prevailing attitude on stage, specifically regarding "marijuana being a gateway drug". To just categorically say this about a fairly important issue, troubles me. Nobody could accuse the candidates on stage of being stupid, but it does give me pause regarding their analytical skills. Just because there is correlation, doesn't mean there's causation. By the flawed logic on stage, cigarettes and alcohol are also gateway drugs. But nobody is crying about them, not with their lobbies, and they actually kill. And just because people work their way up the ladder with experimentation, doesn't mean that there's anything connecting weed to heroin or meth. With that level of willingness to understand a simpler issue like this, makes me wonder about their ability to process far more complicated issues.

Cocaine should be legalized ... Heroin too. It's just medicine

 

[HeulenHund2]

It should be legalized for those over 21 with the same type of restrictions. They are working on a test right now for drivers.

I agree.

 

[NavyDawg22]

Cocaine should be legalized ... Heroin too. It's just medicine

I'm not for this being legalized however. Marijuana yes. This other stuff no.

 

[dieharddawg62]

I'm not for this being legalized however. Marijuana yes. This other stuff no.

Why not, Cocaine is already easier for a teenager to buy than alcohol. Much more dangerous though because it is illegal.

Do you think cocaine is more harmful than alcohol?

 

[NavyDawg22]

Why not, Cocaine is already easier for a teenager to buy than alcohol. Much more dangerous though because it is illegal.

Do you think cocaine is more harmful than alcohol?

No, and I understand your logic but I don't agree. I'm not trying to change the entire world. First babie steps. Let's get some data on the weed first and see how it works out. Not here to argue about which drugs should or should not be allowed. I just offered my opinion that is all. Thank you.

 

[dieharddawg62]

No, and I understand your logic but I don't agree. I'm not trying to change the entire world. First babie steps. Let's get some data on the weed first and see how it works out. Not here to argue about which drugs should or should not be allowed. I just offered my opinion that is all. Thank you.

I got you.

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

I doubt you have "found" anything except maybe yourself in a bad neighborhood broke or worse at some point in time. If you are a big user. LOL! But to each his own. You are kidding yourself in an effort to justify your dependency or appear to be BS'ing yourself that you are somehow enlightened. Simply because those who turn to drugs are usually weak and can't face reality. Bottomline. I was in SE Asia and saw first hand the lives that were messed over drugs. Look around you at the meth heads with their front teeth missing, the heroin freaks. The young people who are borderline unemployable because they can't spell cat at age 25 from smoking weed. The folks in boot hill. Drugs are a "gateway" for sure. A gateway to thinning out the weak and those who can't cope or compete in these challenging days . So by all means knock yourself out, you deserve relief. BTW, I ran a big company in Houston before I retired and sent a ton of employees to rehab to try and save them, some I managed too. Most had destroyed their families, stolen to get more drugs or I got them out of jail. Coke freako's were all the rage. First tipoff was their production would go to hell, arrests, family probs, theft, and so forth. But if I fired them I hired someone to replace them with worse habits so I would send them off and they would straighten up for a time then right back into hell they would go.

I'm 70 and don't particularly give a damn since I stayed away from that crap and because of it I can afford to live away from the trash that it brought on. But we are free agents so have at it and good damn luck!

None of this has anything to do with marijuana or my POV. It sounds like you're describing a lot of things, but pot isn't one of them.

 

[oletex]

Most politicians who rail against weed are out and out hypocrites. They were happy to compare smoking to a harmless beer last night. Ask them about the millions of broken homes, murders and early deaths from poisoned livers caused by booze, or the millions of deaths from tobacco which the republicans supported virtually to the last day possible while repeating the tobacco industry's lies for 20 years after they all knew the truth.

Put me in the support the legalization box, just in case it wasn't already obvious.

Drugs are good for one thing. ID'ing & thinning out the losers. But hey it's your thing, do what you wanna do. Just stay the hell away from me with your paranoia (by product). I've seen hundreds if not thousands of lost balls in high weeds who can't find their azz with both hands and can't be trusted.

 

[oletex]

None of this has anything to do with marijuana or my POV. It sounds like you're describing a lot of things, but pot isn't one of them.

Pot use is equally as bad as it turns bright young minds into blithering idiots, period! So if a person doesn't mind a kid who could be an engineer or a captain of industry bouncing from unemployment to porn shop clerk to parking lot attendant then hell fire go for it.

 

[NavyDawg22]

None of this has anything to do with marijuana or my POV. It sounds like you're describing a lot of things, but pot isn't one of them.

I don't know Baron you have been advocating for cocaine, meth and heroin. If not you need to clarify your position because your posts read that way.

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

I don't know Baron you have been advocating for cocaine, meth and heroin. If not you need to clarify your position because your posts read that way.

I don't know Baron you have been advocating for cocaine, meth and heroin. If not you need to clarify your position because your posts read that way.

Those words are being put into my mouth. Promoting the use and denouncing the war on drugs are two separate things.

 

[dieharddawg62]

I doubt you have "found" anything except maybe yourself in a bad neighborhood broke or worse at some point in time. If you are a big user. LOL! But to each his own. You are kidding yourself in an effort to justify your dependency or appear to be BS'ing yourself that you are somehow enlightened. Simply because those who turn to drugs are usually weak and can't face reality. Bottomline. I was in SE Asia and saw first hand the lives that were messed over drugs. Look around you at the meth heads with their front teeth missing, the heroin freaks. The young people who are borderline unemployable because they can't spell cat at age 25 from smoking weed. The folks in boot hill. Drugs are a "gateway" for sure. A gateway to thinning out the weak and those who can't cope or compete in these challenging days . So by all means knock yourself out, you deserve relief. BTW, I ran a big company in Houston before I retired and sent a ton of employees to rehab to try and save them, some I managed too. Most had destroyed their families, stolen to get more drugs or I got them out of jail. Coke freako's were all the rage. First tipoff was their production would go to hell, arrests, family probs, theft, and so forth. But if I fired them I hired someone to replace them with worse habits so I would send them off and they would straighten up for a time then right back into hell they would go.

I'm 70 and don't particularly give a damn since I stayed away from that crap and because of it I can afford to live away from the trash that it brought on. But we are free agents so have at it and good damn luck!

How many alcoholics did the same exact thing?

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

Pot use is equally as bad as it turns bright young minds into blithering idiots, period! So if a person doesn't mind a kid who could be an engineer or a captain of industry bouncing from unemployment to porn shop clerk to parking lot attendant then hell fire go for it.

I see how well informed you are. Better tell some of my friends who are lawyers, bankers and professors that reefer madness is taking them over.

 

[dieharddawg62]

Those words are being put into my mouth. Promoting the use and denouncing the war on drugs are two separate things.

I don't understand why they can't see that alcohol does the same thing.

How many alcohols do you know destroying everything in their path, but people want to talk about crack heads. How many crackheads do you know? How many alcoholics?

It's not even close. Truth is people like their alcohol, it's different. But, it's not.

 

[NavyDawg22]

I see how well informed you are. Better tell some of my friends who are lawyers, bankers and professors that reefer madness is taking them over.

I don't agree with the pot thing. It actually seems fairly harmless. I don't advocate people use it though unless they have eye cataract issues or anxiety issues. I do think it helps those with high stress much better than alcohol. The other drugs I have yet to hear a convincing argument that warrants it's legalization. I have seen the results in my own family and with those close to me and I will never be convinced of it being legalized. I have a cousin in law right now who has had several of her teeth pulled, her face and body are a mess and no one knows where she is. Her life if she is still living is a disaster because she can't escape the grip of heroin. Heroin is gripping America. Legalizing it would not reduce it's use it is too addictive even for those without addictive personalities. Advocating for this is ethically wrong IMO.

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

I don't agree with the pot thing. It actually seems fairly harmless. I don't advocate people use it though unless they have eye cataract issues or anxiety issues. I do think it helps those with high stress much better than alcohol. The other drugs I have yet to hear a convincing argument that warrants it's legalization. I have seen the results in my own family and with those close to me and I will never be convinced of it being legalized. I have a cousin in law right now who has had several of her teeth pulled, her face and body are a mess and no one knows where she is. Her life if she is still living is a disaster because she can't escape the grip of heroin. Heroin is gripping America. Legalizing it would not reduce it's use it is too addictive even for those without addictive personalities. Advocating for this is ethically wrong IMO.

Pot is the most innocuous recreational thing anyone does, maybe just south of eating icecream. And as far as advocating anything (regarding the latter part of your post) is jut putting words in my mouth. But I will say that manufacturing criminals doesn't help, and no form of prohibition has ever worked. There are answers. I'm not in charge of coming up with them or enforcing them... but all the government has ever done, is exacerbate the problem. Gasoline on the fire.

 

[NavyDawg22]

Pot is the most innocuous recreational thing anyone does, maybe just south of eating icecream. And as far as advocating anything (regarding the latter part of your post) is jut putting words in my mouth. But I will say that manufacturing criminals doesn't help, and no form of prohibition has ever worked. There are answers. In not in charge of coming up with them or enforcing them... but all the government has ever done, is exacerbate thr problem. Gasoline on the fire.

It sounds like we agree on Pot and on the systemic incarceration of non-violent offenses. Not sure on the other stuff with you since you really have not addressed it with clarity. Regardless I enjoy your posts.

 

[ugafish]

Pot use is equally as bad as it turns bright young minds into blithering idiots, period! So if a person doesn't mind a kid who could be an engineer or a captain of industry bouncing from unemployment to porn shop clerk to parking lot attendant then hell fire go for it.

Yet it's alcohol that makes people do the dumbest of all things, but I doubt you have it in the same area as weed.

 

[oletex]

How many alcoholics did the same exact thing?

So your point is since we have a potential life destroying problem on the one hand then that cries out for adding more destruction and wasted and costly addictions. Logic gives way to insanity.

 

[oletex]

Yet it's alcohol that makes people do the dumbest of all things, but I doubt you have it in the same area as weed.

Wait up. Because one human failing can lead to tragedy we need to add more misery, cost and nightmares. What world do some folks live in? Jeebus at the rationale here. I broke my leg on a motorcycle so I need to ride bucking bulls til I break my neck? Strange what passes for intelligence anymore.

 

[oletex]

Pot is the most innocuous recreational thing anyone does, maybe just south of eating icecream. And as far as advocating anything (regarding the latter part of your post) is jut putting words in my mouth. But I will say that manufacturing criminals doesn't help, and no form of prohibition has ever worked. There are answers. I'm not in charge of coming up with them or enforcing them... but all the government has ever done, is exacerbate the problem. Gasoline on the fire.

Except for permanently destroying brain cells which of course restricts a frequent and long time user's ability to perform tasks, carry on logical discourse and make rational decisions then I guess you may have a point.

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

So your point is since we have a potential life destroying problem on the one hand then that cries out for adding more destruction and wasted and costly addictions. Logic gives way to insanity.

I wish you had this zeal about Heart Disease and Type Two Diabetes. Actual killers based on bad decisions. And why do you have a problem with someone juxtaposing something that kills a lot of people (alcohol) and something in which nobody has never OD'd (marijuana) to make a fair comparison? And by your logic (apparently wanting a prohibition on anything new that some say is harmful), why aren't you protesting new cars, fast food or someone mopping a floor because of the possibility that someone could slip (all of which are more dangerous than marijuana)? And if you're wondering why I'm taking the argument to such extremes, I want to stress the fact that when someone attacks the topic like a naked Berserker, with crazy grenades, you do your cause no justice. I assure you.

 

[BaronVonHeinsteidel]

Except for permanently destroying brain cells which of course restricts a frequent and long time user's ability to perform tasks, carry on logical discourse and make rational decisions then I guess you may have a point.

There is no legit study to suggests that at all. The only study to ever suggest it (which is decades old btw) was one in which a rhesus monkey had a week's worth of smoke pumped into a gasmask at once, thereby killing him of carbon monoxide poisoning. Yes, suffocating the animal will kill brain cells but not the pot.

Any more expert opinions, not grounded at anything, you want to spew at people?

 

[dieharddawg62]

I don't agree with the pot thing. It actually seems fairly harmless. I don't advocate people use it though unless they have eye cataract issues or anxiety issues. I do think it helps those with high stress much better than alcohol. The other drugs I have yet to hear a convincing argument that warrants it's legalization. I have seen the results in my own family and with those close to me and I will never be convinced of it being legalized. I have a cousin in law right now who has had several of her teeth pulled, her face and body are a mess and no one knows where she is. Her life if she is still living is a disaster because she can't escape the grip of heroin. Heroin is gripping America. Legalizing it would not reduce it's use it is too addictive even for those without addictive personalities. Advocating for this is ethically wrong IMO.

How has it being illegal stopped her from getting it. It's just made her a criminal. How bout we use all the money to help her rather than making you a criminal.

 

[atlanta cock#]

Most politicians who rail against weed are out and out hypocrites. They were happy to compare smoking to a harmless beer last night. Ask them about the millions of broken homes, murders and early deaths from poisoned livers caused by booze, or the millions of deaths from tobacco which the republicans supported virtually to the last day possible while repeating the tobacco industry's lies for 20 years after they all knew the truth.

Put me in the support the legalization box, just in case it wasn't already obvious.

I'm conflicted on this one. I recognize the hypocrisy regarding alcohol. But, I also recognize that adding yet another drug to the legal side of the balance sheet isn't good for society. Look no further than Moonbeam Brown out in California. Even that nutbag says that California cannot compete with the world if everyone is high.

The other issue is the health costs. Now that the lefties have people like me subsidizing their healthcare, shouldn't we be a little more cognizant of the effect of drugs (and junk food)?

 

[ugafish]

Wait up. Because one human failing can lead to tragedy we need to add more misery, cost and nightmares. What world do some folks live in? Jeebus at the rationale here. I broke my leg on a motorcycle so I need to ride bucking bulls til I break my neck? Strange what passes for intelligence anymore.

Depends on what kind of tragedy you speak of. Weed makes you laugh at the movie and eat a pizza. To equate that with what goes on after getting wasted on booze is a bit silly.

 

[ugafish]

Except for permanently destroying brain cells which of course restricts a frequent and long time user's ability to perform tasks, carry on logical discourse and make rational decisions then I guess you may have a point.

Your experience with weed doesn't seem like the experience I am accustomed to. You must be dealing with folks who were natural born losers/idiots because there are plenty of high functioning professionals who use weed without disasterous effects you mention.

 

[atlanta cock#]

Your experience with weed doesn't seem like the experience I am accustomed to. You must be dealing with folks who were natural born losers/idiots because there are plenty of high functioning professionals who use weed without disasterous effects you mention.

Same could be said for people who drink alcohol.

 

[sdawg83]

This country is going to hell in a hand basket anyway so go ahead legalize anything and everything and speed it up!

 

[oletex]

I wish you had this zeal about Heart Disease and Type Two Diabetes. Actual killers based on bad decisions. And why do you have a problem with someone juxtaposing something that kills a lot of people (alcohol) and something in which nobody has never OD'd (marijuana) to make a fair comparison? And by your logic (apparently wanting a prohibition on anything new that some say is harmful), why aren't you protesting new cars, fast food or someone mopping a floor because of the possibility that someone could slip (all of which are more dangerous than marijuana)? And if you're wondering why I'm taking the argument to such extremes, I want to stress the fact that when someone attacks the topic like a naked Berserker, with crazy grenades, you do your cause no justice. I assure you.

LOL. You got it all wrong...of course. I'm 70 and won't be here forever. So other than the clients I serve as a consultant I got no dog in this fight. But I do know come here from sic 'em. And 1 plus 1 always comes out 2. My cause is too get out of this life dead but not miserably unemployed and broke til I can get dead. I'm merely using your silly and faux enlightenment cause as jest man. OTT, I could be bothered. Smoke 'em if you got 'em or whatever it is you do.