Just think, if we had hired ….

[Two if by Sea]

87,000 more school resource officers instead of IRS agents, the Apalachee shooting may have been avoided.

Because you know, dems claim if they can save just one life…….

Shows they value money and control, over people.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Not a bad point but the first thing we need to do is pass mandatory in patient mental health evaluations for anyone that threatens mass violence. My sister is an administrator at a jr. high and she was talking today about a student in her school that was asking for help but the school counselor couldn't intervene because the custodial parent wouldn't approve.

We have mechanisms in place for teachers to report children that are being neglected and or abused. We need to extend this practice to include teachers that refer a child to the school counselor and the counselor determines a child is suffering from mental anquish. It's not cruel to institutionalize a child that isn't functioning normally and needs extensive treatment.

 

[Two if by Sea]

Not a bad point but the first thing we need to do is pass mandatory in patient mental health evaluations for anyone that threatens mass violence. My sister is an administrator at a jr. high and she was talking today about a student in her school that was asking for help but the school counselor couldn't intervene because the custodial parent wouldn't approve.

We have mechanisms in place for teachers to report children that are being neglected and or abused. We need to extend this practice to include teachers that refer a child to the school counselor and the counselor determines a child is suffering from mental anquish. It's not cruel to institutionalize a child that isn't functioning normally and needs extensive treatment.

Use the money as best needed to protect those in the school. Personally, I would never subject a child to public school, regardless of physical safety. The government has ruined public schools and aren’t suitable for parents seeking true education for their kids.

My point was, the left is more concerned with confiscating people’s earnings than they are with anything else, including keeping citizens safe.

 

[WyoDawg307]

This disregard about Americans safety has been on display with the non-policing policies, non prosecution by the Soros DA’s and the invited illegal immigrants hordes. As well as to public gatherings/school/gun safety. They just want to take guns from citizens and safety be damned.

 

[stray]

Not a bad point but the first thing we need to do is pass mandatory in patient mental health evaluations for anyone that threatens mass violence. My sister is an administrator at a jr. high and she was talking today about a student in her school that was asking for help but the school counselor couldn't intervene because the custodial parent wouldn't approve.

We have mechanisms in place for teachers to report children that are being neglected and or abused. We need to extend this practice to include teachers that refer a child to the school counselor and the counselor determines a child is suffering from mental anquish. It's not cruel to institutionalize a child that isn't functioning normally and needs extensive treatment.

I don’t disagree and what we have to reevaluate is the Supreme Court ruling of Addington Vs Texas and the deinstitutionalization movement of the 70’s.
For those of us old enough to remember, there used to be many state run psychiatric hospitals. With Geraldo Rivera’s expose of Willowbrook hospital and the aforementioned court ruling people with mental issues we were no longer able to commit people against their will to mental hospitals. The advent of psychiatric drugs, with promises of being able to control mental patients, led to these people going back into society and many of them being homeless. This a huge part of our current homeless problem as well.
Another thing to examine is the overprescribing of psychotic drugs to children and the massive pot smoking problem with teens. Studies here are showing a great deal of schizophrenia with children who smoke pot.
I am not sure allowing school teachers and admin the power to hospitalize children by degree is the answer but we definitely need to be doing something. Because law enforcement has basically become the treatment mechanism for this problem and that’s not good either.

It defiantly complex and there isn’t an easy answer but the mental health issue in this country is staggering and the medications we are giving people are not always the answer.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

I don’t disagree and what we have to reevaluate is the Supreme Court ruling of Addington Vs Texas and the deinstitutionalization movement of the 70’s.
For those of us old enough to remember, there used to be many state run psychiatric hospitals. With Geraldo Rivera’s expose of Willowbrook hospital and the aforementioned court ruling people with mental issues we were no longer able to commit people against their will to mental hospitals. The advent of psychiatric drugs, with promises of being able to control mental patients, led to these people going back into society and many of them being homeless. This a huge part of our current homeless problem as well.
Another thing to examine is the overprescribing of psychotic drugs to children and the massive pot smoking problem with teens. Studies here are showing a great deal of schizophrenia with children who smoke pot.
I am not sure allowing school teachers and admin the power to hospitalize children by degree is the answer but we definitely need to be doing something. Because law enforcement has basically become the treatment mechanism for this problem and that’s not good either.

It defiantly complex and there isn’t an easy answer but the mental health issue in this country is staggering and the medications we are giving people are not always the answer.

Agree with everything you said and I'm not talking about involuntary institutionalization for people that sit in corners talking to themselves. Imo, threatening mass violence is cause for arrest and institutionalization which would get around Addington.

 

[poorpreacher]

Just think what would happen, if leaders took threats and other issues SERIOUSLY, instead of shrugging them off.

My wife has taught school for 21 years. She can cite example after example, of behaviors and threats, where nothing was done. At best, a 2 day suspension and then back in class.

I mean 5th graders bringing knives to school. 1st graders threatening to shoot teachers and the school.

When you don't deal with these issues early, they only get worse. But they aren't being handled, because administrators are scared of the consequences of holding kids accountable

 

[Two if by Sea]

I don’t disagree and what we have to reevaluate is the Supreme Court ruling of Addington Vs Texas and the deinstitutionalization movement of the 70’s.
For those of us old enough to remember, there used to be many state run psychiatric hospitals. With Geraldo Rivera’s expose of Willowbrook hospital and the aforementioned court ruling people with mental issues we were no longer able to commit people against their will to mental hospitals. The advent of psychiatric drugs, with promises of being able to control mental patients, led to these people going back into society and many of them being homeless. This a huge part of our current homeless problem as well.
Another thing to examine is the overprescribing of psychotic drugs to children and the massive pot smoking problem with teens. Studies here are showing a great deal of schizophrenia with children who smoke pot.
I am not sure allowing school teachers and admin the power to hospitalize children by degree is the answer but we definitely need to be doing something. Because law enforcement has basically become the treatment mechanism for this problem and that’s not good either.

It defiantly complex and there isn’t an easy answer but the mental health issue in this country is staggering and the medications we are giving people are not always the answer.

Yeah there is no way school teachers and admins should have the capacity to hospitalize anyone. That role belongs squarely on the shoulders of MDs.

Not trying to downplay the school shooting, but statistically, it is a huge outlier. It gains the most attention because it’s so scary and horrific. People
Are dying left and right everyday. Children are being poisoned every day. The left takes every opportunity to capitalize on these horrible
Shooting events, to seize our rights and to scare everyone to the max so they can further control and subjugate the population, all
In the name is “safety”

You want to make schools safer? Make them
Hard targets. Like other successful programs have done, arm certain teachers, keep a presence of police. Take down the worthless gun free zone BS signs, put up signs stating “Faculty and Staff are armed, if you are here to harm anyone, you will be shot”. Of a kid even brings up the possibility of a shooting, expel and ban them forever from the public school system. Make these people aware of the consequences. The evidence has shown that soft targets play a role in every single case.

The education system is anything but nowadays but presenting these schools as a soft target is the easiest way to invite such evil actions in them.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

At a certain point you have to consider whether these mass shootings are a desired outcome of the regime.

It is incredibly difficult to believe law enforcement can be rainman tracking down anyone even tangentially related to Jan 6th but individuals who openly admit to desiring to commit mass murder are simply allowed to proceed with the proceeding to proceed.

As for solutions, someone more intelligent than myself is required but I suggest bringing back public hangings in the town square.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Yeah there is no way school teachers and admins should have the capacity to hospitalize anyone. That role belongs squarely on the shoulders of MDs.

I don't think anyone is suggesting teachers should be admitting children into institutions but they should be notifying the school counselors if they notice a kid that is obviously struggling with mental anguish. The kids that are going off the rails aren't that difficult to spot. After notifying a trained counselor, there should be a process in place to have preliminary evals to determine if the child needs more extensive care up to and including admittance into an in patient facility.

As @poorpreacher stated above, teachers and school admins are reluctant to act due to a plethora of reasons. We should be compelling them to act if they notice an issue. We shouldn't be compelling them to stay quiet out of fear of lawsuits and disciplinary actions.

 

[Two if by Sea]

I don't think anyone is suggesting teachers should be admitting children into institutions but they should be notifying the school counselors if they notice a kid that is obviously struggling with mental anguish. The kids that are going off the rails aren't that difficult to spot. After notifying a trained counselor, there should be a process in place to have preliminary evals to determine if the child needs more extensive care up to and including admittance into an in patient facility.

As @poorpreacher stated above, teachers and school admins are reluctant to act due to a plethora of reasons. We should be compelling them to act if they notice an issue. We shouldn't be compelling them to stay quiet out of fear of lawsuits and disciplinary actions.

Not trying to disagree, but this is a slippery slope. I taught at college level for 32 yrs, dad was a physics teacher for 44 years and from my experience, faculty were more Inclined to fear lawsuits from Doing nothing when they noticed a problem.

In my experience, there are more than enough resources available for faculty to seek help for a troubled student.

IMO, faculty should absolutely report when an issue is clear. As long as an actual MD is the one making the decision about a mental facility, it’s fine. No counselor, teacher, admin should be close
To that should decision and should serve as a referral only.

Most educational institutions are overrun with moronic, self idolizing free loaders, while the rest are just counting the months until retirement to collect state pensions. There are exceptions, but generally speaking, I wouldn’t want a majority of
These people making any decision as to whether
Someone is institutionalized.

You are right, there should be a clear path for them to report violent, troubling behaviors but in my experience, that has not been the problem.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Not trying to disagree, but this is a slippery slope. I taught at college level for 32 yrs, dad was a physics teacher for 44 years and from my experience, faculty were more Inclined to fear lawsuits from Doing nothing when they noticed a problem.

In my experience, there are more than enough resources available for faculty to seek help for a troubled student.

IMO, faculty should absolutely report when an issue is clear. As long as an actual MD is the one making the decision about a mental facility, it’s fine. No counselor, teacher, admin should be close
To that should decision and should serve as a referral only.

Most educational institutions are overrun with moronic, self idolizing free loaders, while the rest are just counting the months until retirement to collect state pensions. There are exceptions, but generally speaking, I wouldn’t want a majority of
These people making any decision as to whether
Someone is institutionalized.

You are right, there should be a clear path for them to report violent, troubling behaviors but in my experience, that has not been the problem.

My point is there should be a series of protocols, for diagnosing and getting treatment for children that suffer from severe mental disorders that would be something like teacher reports to trained counselor, counselor reports to mental health agencies and then a plan is created. Of course you'd want doctors and probably a judge to handle involuntary committals but we can't have kids asking for help, publishing specific threats on social media and demonstrating behaviors that even the students recognize as dangerous being ignored.

My sister is an administrator in a Georgia jr high and was talking about this yesterday. She has one student that is suffering and asking for help but the school can't act because the custodial parent objects. Imo, there should be an evaluation process that could result in a mental health professional meeting with the parent and trying to get the kid help.