To take some of the sickest children from Gaza. He’s meeting With Trump at White House. There’s a start.
King of Jordan just agreed
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Question for you or anyone else: are the Geneva Conventions officially a thing of the past for the USA? I am no fan of the Palestinians, as they brought their destruction upon themselves, but moving the entire population out never to come back is a pretty clear cut violation of Article 49. I always thought the US tried to abide by that post WW2, but it looks like its merely a suggestion nowdays.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
Article 49 - Deportations, transfers, evacuations
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
I see your point. Counterpoint is that these are people who hate our country and Israel and have been given multiple (MULTIPLE) opportunities to coexist and cannot cope with that idea. Additionally, ask why the surrounding Arab/muslim nations will not allow them to immigrate into their countries and you may have an answer.
I guess the alternative is to rebuild it for them only to see them tear it down again and continue to terrorize anyone not like them.
The other alternative is to let them stay and keep bombing.
Hard for them to get comfy sleeping on the piles of rubble.
Ok so lets say all the hostages are released by Sat at noon. The fight is over . Well, where do they go? Gaza is destroyed. Egypt has already said hell to the naw. Nobody wants them , which makes sense since they are a bunch of savages.
They can build islands in Dubai with all that oil money, but they won’t build these people homes?… Why don’t their Muslim brothers and sisters, neighboring countries, etc. not help them?
Think that’s trumps goal
A. There is no such thing as Palestinians as Palestine does not nor has it ever existed
B. How could it be their home if they are considered by the UN to be refugees? One cannot be a refugee in their own home
C. By doing this, Trump will have saved the lives of millions of Arab refugees who are prisoners of Hamas terrorists used and tortured and butchered and brainwashed and sacrificed as human shields
Watching this issue evolve the past week is pretty interesting.
We’ve all been conditioned to believe there will always be this terrible Israel v Palestine conflict and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
So when Trump says “we will just take over Gaza and build them an infinitely better place to live”…..everyone, including many republicans, do a quadruple take “huh?” I admit I laughed out loud and dismissed it as a Trump troll.
Then you start thinking about it and the history here. And the fact that the “civilized” world has always stood on principle that the Palestinians should continue to be there. The “two state solution”. And the fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent lives have been lost in this impossible quest for a “two state solution”.
Maybe there is another way? An impossibly simple but not difficult to do other way? Use some leverage to make other Middle East countries partners and literally improve the lives of these people infinitely and secure a lasting peace? Maybe try something new?
Cause the last 75 years of having the 2 state solution policy has worked so well, we should continue it… I remember some genius friend of my wife’s friend when Trump first moved the embassy to Jerusalem. She said “this is really going to hurt all the peace progress”. My response was simple. “What progress?” People are just programmed to be dumb
Been going on for over 10,000 years. They only understand force
Genesis 16:12
This son of yours will be a wild man, as untamed as a wild donkey! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all his relatives.”
The king of Jordan is doing a delicate dance to please trump enough to keep the camp david accords "pro Israel" bribe money flowing to him,..while still not giving in too much so that his own people do not crush his rule because of his support of the most explicit war monger of this generation (netanyahu)
War monger ? don’t think Netanyahu would fire a single shot if the terrorism would end. Israel’s existence is in constant jeopardy. He can’t risk under utilizing force. To do so could be the end of Israel’s. It’s heart breaking seeing the circumstances Palestinians are living under. But they need to stop the prolific breeding (5+ children per family) and harboring terrorists. Wonder your opinion if you and your family lived in Jerusalem and were privy to Netanyahu’s intelligence info.
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Netanyahu is Dick Cheney multiplied by ten,.... immediately after 9/11, Netanyahu proposed pre-emptive attacks on Libya and Iraq because netanyahu wanted executive reform in the region and the predicate was that they were developing nasty weapons to harm humanity,...
immediately after the 2003 takeover of Iraq, an oil pipeline shut down since the 1940s was rebuilt and reopened to deliver oil from Iraq to Israel at a much cheaper rate than Israel was receiving by shipment through ships. This secret project was revealed by an American oil exec that came out later.
The worst of it is that netanyahu domestically makes religious arguments for genocide when he describes the amelek genocide in the book of Samuel by the prophet Samuel in which god supposedly instructed Samuel to remove the race of ameleks from earth in order to take over the land of Israel after the Egypt travels.but those are domestic pleas in Hebrew
that don't play well for an international audience,...but may would suffice for American evangelicals and the politically well connected
It is incredible all that Netanyahu was able to accomplish in 01-03 especially since his first term as PM ended in 99 and he wasn’t re-elected again until 09
My problem with Netanyahu is that he has no problem killing thousands of Arab kids if he thinks an airstrike might take out one Hamas guy. I know Hamas is pure evil, but the US and its allies have to have some moral code in fighting a war.
Unfortunately it is not so black and white as how you make it out. If they don’t kill those Hamas operatives. Or take out whatever weapons pile hidden under schools/hospitals etc. he is risking the lives of his own citizens. It’s not as much about killing sacrificing Arab children to kill Hamas as it is saving innocent Israeli lives.
I think these are their ancestral homes. Seems pretty complicated to me.
The UN considers them to be refugees.. How can one be a refugee in their own homeland?
Also, if it truly is their homeland and they truly care about it, why do they consistently forego peace and continue to wage war and attempt to destroy Israel. They could have had their own sovereign nation many times
Netanyahu had a list of 7 countries in North Africa and the middle east who were ripe for "regime change" and "nation building" in the late 1990s,.. the leading neocon think tanks in the USA at that time agreed but they had to wait for it to be implemented during the Bush/Cheney admin
The plan was for the USA to do the dirty work
Israel sent zero resources to help a 20 year fight in Afghanistan. And Israel sent zero resources towards a 10 plus year fight in iraq by americans.
After all, they Israel is/was our greatest ally
Regarding the rebuilt pipeline from Iraq to Israel after the conquest of Hussein
Unbelievable that they knew that Bush/Cheney would be the next US admin even in the 90s. So smart the Israeli's are able to see into the future. Probably why they also gave a list of the 19 names of the 9/11 terrorists to the US a month before 9/11 happened. So yea, they gave zero resources. Did not help at all.
They did not send troops, which was partly by US design. The US knew that if IDF was fighting in the Muslim countries, it would create all hell and chaos in the ME.
And great link you sent that doesn't go anywhere except for an error. I'm sure it is filled with proper true information. Like how Netanyahu is the biggest warmonger of his generation cause he somehow proposed preemtive on Libya and Iraq after 9/11 when not only was he not PM of Israel, but he was not in govt at all. You seem to be very highly informed on the topic. Haven't you also claimed (falsely of course) that the ADL and AIPAC are foreign organizations?
I am extremely excited for your next highly intellectual highly truthful post on this subject!
Trump laughing with Bibi and Musk, “All I had to say is we’d develop Gaza, make it the new Vegas, and Egypt and Saudi said they’d do it. And pay for it. Hahahahaha.
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I can't help that my links cannot be seen because you are computer illiterate, call an IT expert or are you trying to download on a flip phone?
It's heavy work getting someone like you caught up on the matter,...it's like asking an elementary teacher to spend every recess, lunch breach, and time between classes to coach up one child that doesn't get it.
It is not a conspiracy that Paul Wolfowitz, netanyahu, and a neocon segment favored middle east regime change in the 90s,...they did not get the pet project from Clinton,..not that Clinton was not a war monger, but rather Clinton preferred other adventures at the time to include Serbia.
Why would I feel like making this stuff up to prove myself on a football forum? My only hope is that someone reads this and just keeps an open mind, you are not my target audience,...that is not you, you adopt slogans and mantras because you are too lazy to ask questions
Or if you still don't believe me,...go read netanyahus 1995 book Fighting Terrorism
"Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of international terrorism will collapse into dust. The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes—Iran, Iraq, Syria, Taliban Afghanistan, Yasir Arafat’s Palestinian Authority, and several other Arab regimes, such as the Sudan"
Regime change at the cost of American blood and treasure was netanyahus foreign policy. And you never provided one example in which the USA received support in Iraq or afghanistan from Israel. Why are they are greatest ally?
As late as 10 years ago George Bush said he would be remembered positively by history because of the "Arab Spring" which was a dream of a democratic domino effect of democracy in the middle east imagined by Wolfowitz, Cheney, netanyahu,...and others..
Bush doesn't talk about "history" and the "Arab Spring" any more as his legacy because it is so propostruous in light of facts,...but if bush did want to make the argument, you would be a very good spokesman for bush
When did he mention at the cost of American blood? Or are you just inferring that... I fully believe he said that. I think every civilized human being on the planet would be for getting rid of terrorists and states who fund terrorists? Especially in Israel where they are a direct threat on your doorstep... But as an American citizen, am I for getting rid of terrorists and govts who fund and harbor terrorists? Terrorists who actively look to harm and kill (and succeed in doing so) American citizens? Absolutely. Maybe if the Taliban was toppled in 95, UBL would not have been able to successfully murder 3k American civilians.
I never said Israel was our greatest ally. Again, you are taking the original LIE that you said and turning it into something else... But Israel DID try and prevent Afghanistan/Iraq wars from happening by telling the US the names of the 19 terrorists who were in the US a month before 911 happened and warning the US that an attack by them would happen. The US didn't act
Netanyahu would not be stupid enough to say the USA would be investing in his plan in his 1995 book,..but it is clear in action,..of the 7 nations netanyahu wanted to be overthrown,...6 have been cooked either by military intervention or state department funding.
Those same 7 countries were identified to be overthrown by Paul Wolfwofitz in 1996.
Those same countries were identified to be overthrown in communications between Wesley Clark (4 star general and former presidential candidate) and bush advisors/intelligence after 9/11
The philosophy of creating democracy in the middle east is quite noble,...but it doesn't work in practicality for a myriad of reasons,...it's as about as silly as wishing for peace on earth in a song by John Lennon...
The netanyahu/Wolfowitz/Cheney/bush dream was to topple one major regime (like Iraq) and then a domino effect would occur in which every jihadi in the region would want to discard their religion and want to wear blue jeans and dance in blue suede shoes like Elvis,....
Trump defeated jeb bush in 2016 because of bushian middle east nation building when jeb bush was the frontrunner.and had all the support and money from the Republicans,..and now trump is promoting bushian nation building in Gaza,...the reform candidate becomes the status quo corporatist Republican when he has hung around long enough to make deals about his political future.
This is why politics and political history is mostly a Shakespearean tragedy if one hangs around long enough
Be like John Taylor of Caroline,....serve one/two terms in politics and return to your garden estate
The same 7 were likely to be identified by most of the free civilized world... And 6 as Arafat was not a leader of a country. He was a terrorist and leader of a terrorists organization. All of the nations mentioned as well are either straight up terrorist nations, nations and governments who harbor terrorists, nations and governments who fund terrorism or all of the above. You are talking about terrorist governments who participated in the murder of American citizens and American soldiers (NOT BECAUSE NETANYAHU WANTED IT OR BECAUSE ISRAEL HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. You CANNOT be that stupid)
"This is why politics and political history is mostly a Shakespearean tragedy if one hangs around long enough
Be like John Taylor of Caroline,....serve one/two terms in politics and return to your garden estate"
I agree 10000% on this. I don't think Bibi is some sort of saint or some sort of great leader. 10/7 happened on his watch. He has been in charge for nearly 20 of the past 30 years in Israel, which I think is way too long for anyone to be in power.
Trump did NOT defeat Bush because of his Mid East policies. If anyone had any clue about anything about Trump they would know his stance on Israel and the ME. Trump made the dangers of Islamist fundamentalist a pretty central part of his 16 campaign. He also has been very good friends w Netanyahu for nearly 40 years... He has always been extremely pro Israel, and rightfully so.
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