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Most people judge Christianity by the people they know who claim to be Christian. I believe this concept is flawed. No human can live up to the standards that was set by Jesus himself. We are sinners born with a sin nature. We fail all the time. Judge Christianity by that One who sacrificed everything on the cross. If you want to know what Christianity is all about, read about the One who sacrificed everything because of His love for all mankind;
this includes Muslims, Hindus, and all non believers. Mark Richt understands this and does not expect people to put him on a pedestal.
 
Most people judge Christianity by the people they know who claim to be Christian. I believe this concept is flawed. No human can live up to the standards that was set by Jesus himself. We are sinners born with a sin nature. We fail all the time. Judge Christianity by that One who sacrificed everything on the cross. If you want to know what Christianity is all about, read about the One who sacrificed everything because of His love for all mankind;
this includes Muslims, Hindus, and all non believers. Mark Richt understands this and does not expect people to put him on a pedestal.
Who cares! Thus is a football site.
 
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Who cares! Thus is a football site.

On the day that every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord, we will all care. The brave young men and women of Oregon who professed Christ even when it meant their death, they care. To not read a post is always an option; to ultimately ignore Christ isn't.
 
On the day that every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord, we will all care. The brave young men and women of Oregon who professed Christ even when it meant their death, they care. To not read a post is always an option; to ultimately ignore Christ isn't.
Good lord dude. Educate yourself. Unreal.
 
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Good lord dude. Educate yourself. Unreal.

Why so angry friend? Educate myself and get real in regard to what?

“Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭14:1‬ ‭NLT‬‬
 
Most people judge Christianity by the people they know who claim to be Christian. I believe this concept is flawed. No human can live up to the standards that was set by Jesus himself. We are sinners born with a sin nature. We fail all the time. Judge Christianity by that One who sacrificed everything on the cross. If you want to know what Christianity is all about, read about the One who sacrificed everything because of His love for all mankind;
this includes Muslims, Hindus, and all non believers. Mark Richt understands this and does not expect people to put him on a pedestal.
I don't think judging Christianity based on the life of Jesus is smart or on solid foundations either. Jesus didn't found Christianity or write its books or develop its churches, sects, customs, traditions, etc. . . The Christians that did found it and the churches that have continued to form, develop, and evolve are all thoroughly, indisputably 100% human. The influence of Jesus' teachings may be present in the texts, liturgy, organizations and individuals, but if you are evaluating or judging "Christianity" you are absolutely judging humans and their organizations, and as we are inherently flawed people and as churches and Christians have done some really evil stuff, a fair, rational and objective person can look poorly upon Christians or the churches but still hold Jesus in the highest of high regards. The Church wants it to be one in the same for obvious reasons, but my belief is that the religion should be evaluated and judged separately from Jesus.

Evaluating Jesus and evaluating Christianity are two entirely different thing.
 
Good lord dude. Educate yourself. Unreal.
Good grief! He has educated himself and chose to be a pastor. Based on this post you obviously took a different route. This is a bizarre post even for you.
 
I don't think judging Christianity based on the life of Jesus is smart or on solid foundations either. Jesus didn't found Christianity or write its books or develop its churches, sects, customs, traditions, etc. . . The Christians that did found it and the churches that have continued to form, develop, and evolve are all thoroughly, indisputably 100% human. The influence of Jesus' teachings may be present in the texts, liturgy, organizations and individuals, but if you are evaluating or judging "Christianity" you are absolutely judging humans and their organizations, and as we are inherently flawed people and as churches and Christians have done some really evil stuff, a fair, rational and objective person can look poorly upon Christians or the churches but still hold Jesus in the highest of high regards. The Church wants it to be one in the same for obvious reasons, but my belief is that the religion should be evaluated and judged separately from Jesus.

Evaluating Jesus and evaluating Christianity are two entirely different thing.
Many who profess to be Christian are not.
 
Bubble dawg that was a great post. I am a Christian and believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour through Bible searching and have found this belief allows me to live forever with Jesus Christ in heaven forever with loved ones and other believers. I also love unbelievers as there was a time in my life that I was not. God bless all of you would be my prayer.
 
I don't think judging Christianity based on the life of Jesus is smart or on solid foundations either. Jesus didn't found Christianity or write its books or develop its churches, sects, customs, traditions, etc. . . The Christians that did found it and the churches that have continued to form, develop, and evolve are all thoroughly, indisputably 100% human. The influence of Jesus' teachings may be present in the texts, liturgy, organizations and individuals, but if you are evaluating or judging "Christianity" you are absolutely judging humans and their organizations, and as we are inherently flawed people and as churches and Christians have done some really evil stuff, a fair, rational and objective person can look poorly upon Christians or the churches but still hold Jesus in the highest of high regards. The Church wants it to be one in the same for obvious reasons, but my belief is that the religion should be evaluated and judged separately from Jesus.

Evaluating Jesus and evaluating Christianity are two entirely different thing.

Jesus didn't found Christianity but Christianity was founded based on Jesus. Nothing other than that pure and simple.
 
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Interesting use of words. The irony is rich.

You think it's an educational flaw to not believe in a religious system? I mean, there's intellectual proof of any of them?

His post was unnecessary and a bit crude but not ironic under any definition.

As to OP of course it's natural to judge any movement by its followers - and I'd say fair in the big picture. Not perfect, but fair.
 
Jesus didn't found Christianity but Christianity was founded based on Jesus. Nothing other than that pure and simple.
Right. But it was founded by humans that were flawed sinners then and the religion has continued to change and evolve as good people and bad people and flawed people have influenced and controlled the religion. Christianity (if viewed as a monolith) now is not Christianity in the early centuries AD is not the Christianity of the Dark Ages is not the Christianity of last century.

Wars have been fought over whose Christianity is the right Christianity. Pope Francis' Catholic Church is not the Church of the crusades. Southern Baptist churches are not your Episcopal churches performing gay weddings.

Religion is a human institution. Spirituality is something more than human.
 
Right. But it was founded by humans that were flawed sinners then and the religion has continued to change and evolve as good people and bad people and flawed people have influenced and controlled the religion. Christianity (if viewed as a monolith) now is not Christianity in the early centuries AD is not the Christianity of the Dark Ages is not the Christianity of last century.

Wars have been fought over whose Christianity is the right Christianity. Pope Francis' Catholic Church is not the Church of the crusades. Southern Baptist churches are not your Episcopal churches performing gay weddings.

Religion is a human institution. Spirituality is something more than human.

true, being a Christian is all about Jesus and his teachings. People have tried to change that since the beginning of churches. Even in the Bible. The churches Jesus preached about went away from His teachings. It has gotten worse over the years. People don't want to adhere to Jesus's teachings and they form their- own church to live they way they want to live. Gonna be a lot of surprised people on judgement day.
 
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You think it's an educational flaw to not believe in a religious system? I mean, there's intellectual proof of any of them?

His post was unnecessary and a bit crude but not ironic under any definition.

As to OP of course it's natural to judge any movement by its followers - and I'd say fair in the big picture. Not perfect, but fair.
ARC, his post was about as ironic as one could get. Invoking the name of our creator in telling a pastor to educate himself about Christianity is about the most ironic thing I could imagine.
 
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true, being a Christian is all about Jesus and his teachings. People have tried to change that since the beginning of churches. Even in the Bible. The churches Jesus preached about went away from His teachings. It has gotten worse over the years. People don't want to adhere to Jesus's teachings and they form their- own church to live they way they want to live. Gonna be a lot of surprised people on judgement day.
True... the Osteenification of American Christianity right before our eyes.
 
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On the day that every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord, we will all care. The brave young men and women of Oregon who professed Christ even when it meant their death, they care. To not read a post is always an option; to ultimately ignore Christ isn't.
I can't, for the life of me, understand why anybody facing a gunman would answer any question about faith....at least not after he murdered the first one

And fwiw, I'm a Christian
 
I can't, for the life of me, understand why anybody facing a gunman would answer any question about faith....at least not after he murdered the first one

And fwiw, I'm a Christian
The reward is much greater than you may know. "But whosoever denies me before men, I will deny before my father who is in heavan." Matthew 10:33
 
The reward is much greater than you may know. "But whosoever denies me before men, I will deny before my father who is in heavan." Matthew 10:33

Clearly, you believe in Jiminy Cricket Jesus. I, on the other hand, don't think Matthew , who was a man...(well, really not a man, but a composite drawn up by centuries of translators and iterative work by many many religious men and women).... Cmeant that if somebody is about to murder you, that you need to give up your life for the sake of uttering some words

And I love me some Jesus .... Just not your kind, apparently
 
I don't think judging Christianity based on the life of Jesus is smart or on solid foundations either. Jesus didn't found Christianity or write its books or develop its churches, sects, customs, traditions, etc. . . The Christians that did found it and the churches that have continued to form, develop, and evolve are all thoroughly, indisputably 100% human. The influence of Jesus' teachings may be present in the texts, liturgy, organizations and individuals, but if you are evaluating or judging "Christianity" you are absolutely judging humans and their organizations, and as we are inherently flawed people and as churches and Christians have done some really evil stuff, a fair, rational and objective person can look poorly upon Christians or the churches but still hold Jesus in the highest of high regards. The Church wants it to be one in the same for obvious reasons, but my belief is that the religion should be evaluated and judged separately from Jesus.

Evaluating Jesus and evaluating Christianity are two entirely different thing.
That will preach, right there. Good point!
 
Right. But it was founded by humans that were flawed sinners then and the religion has continued to change and evolve as good people and bad people and flawed people have influenced and controlled the religion. Christianity (if viewed as a monolith) now is not Christianity in the early centuries AD is not the Christianity of the Dark Ages is not the Christianity of last century.

Wars have been fought over whose Christianity is the right Christianity. Pope Francis' Catholic Church is not the Church of the crusades. Southern Baptist churches are not your Episcopal churches performing gay weddings.

Religion is a human institution. Spirituality is something more than human.
true, being a Christian is all about Jesus and his teachings. People have tried to change that since the beginning of churches. Even in the Bible. The churches Jesus preached about went away from His teachings. It has gotten worse over the years. People don't want to adhere to Jesus's teachings and they form their- own church to live they way they want to live. Gonna be a lot of surprised people on judgement day.
I think that you might be the one that is surprised.
 
About to leave for the game with enough gear to stay dry and warm. May all you, my brothers, be blessed. For all who are unconvinced, may your eyes be opened to the glory of Christ Jesus. Let us be thankful in all things, especially a UGA victory. Everybody have fun, be careful, and Go Dawgs!!!!!!!
 
Clearly, you believe in Jiminy Cricket Jesus. I, on the other hand, don't think Matthew , who was a man...(well, really not a man, but a composite drawn up by centuries of translators and iterative work by many many religious men and women).... Cmeant that if somebody is about to murder you, that you need to give up your life for the sake of uttering some words

And I love me some Jesus .... Just not your kind, apparently
There is only one Jesus and he gave his life for you. He is waiting for you to welcome him into your heart.
 
I don't think judging Christianity based on the life of Jesus is smart or on solid foundations either. Jesus didn't found Christianity or write its books or develop its churches, sects, customs, traditions, etc. . . The Christians that did found it and the churches that have continued to form, develop, and evolve are all thoroughly, indisputably 100% human. The influence of Jesus' teachings may be present in the texts, liturgy, organizations and individuals, but if you are evaluating or judging "Christianity" you are absolutely judging humans and their organizations, and as we are inherently flawed people and as churches and Christians have done some really evil stuff, a fair, rational and objective person can look poorly upon Christians or the churches but still hold Jesus in the highest of high regards. The Church wants it to be one in the same for obvious reasons, but my belief is that the religion should be evaluated and judged separately from Jesus.

Evaluating Jesus and evaluating Christianity are two entirely different thing.

I have no idea what you just said. Please explain.

Christ implemented his Church, not religion. Is this what you meant. The "Church" is the group of Christ followers, no more, no less. It has the same relationship to Christ as a marriage.

The Bible speaks vividly on that subject.

The "Church" was not brick and motar, rather obidience to Christ's teachings.

Is this where you were going?
 
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I don't think judging Christianity based on the life of Jesus is smart or on solid foundations either. Jesus didn't found Christianity or write its books or develop its churches, sects, customs, traditions, etc. . . The Christians that did found it and the churches that have continued to form, develop, and evolve are all thoroughly, indisputably 100% human. The influence of Jesus' teachings may be present in the texts, liturgy, organizations and individuals, but if you are evaluating or judging "Christianity" you are absolutely judging humans and their organizations, and as we are inherently flawed people and as churches and Christians have done some really evil stuff, a fair, rational and objective person can look poorly upon Christians or the churches but still hold Jesus in the highest of high regards. The Church wants it to be one in the same for obvious reasons, but my belief is that the religion should be evaluated and judged separately from Jesus.

Evaluating Jesus and evaluating Christianity are two entirely different thing.

Exceptional post. Indeed Most Christians today seem to follow a combination of their post-Christ evolved religion of choice and the books of The Old Testament, which is mostly Jewish.
Many Christians in this country mock the core teachings of Jesus without seeing the colossal irony.
 
I have no idea what you just said. Please explain.

Christ implemented his Church, not religion. Is this what you meant. The "Church" is the group of Christ followers, no more, no less. It has the same relationship to Christ as a marriage.

The Bible speaks vividly on that subject.

The "Church" was not brick and motar, rather obidience to Christ's teachings.

Is this where you were going?

Christ damn sure didn't set up the evoled trappings and views of the many and varied ''Christian Churches''. The Catholic Church is somewhat faithful, at least in spirit, the trappings are a wild mix Pagan and many other influences though.
The mainstream Christian Right has their own agendas though, and most of their political platform has little or nothing to do with Christ teachings, in fact they often mock those who truly believe in His most fundamental teachings.
 
I don't think judging Christianity based on the life of Jesus is smart or on solid foundations either. Jesus didn't found Christianity or write its books or develop its churches, sects, customs, traditions, etc. . . The Christians that did found it and the churches that have continued to form, develop, and evolve are all thoroughly, indisputably 100% human. The influence of Jesus' teachings may be present in the texts, liturgy, organizations and individuals, but if you are evaluating or judging "Christianity" you are absolutely judging humans and their organizations, and as we are inherently flawed people and as churches and Christians have done some really evil stuff, a fair, rational and objective person can look poorly upon Christians or the churches but still hold Jesus in the highest of high regards. The Church wants it to be one in the same for obvious reasons, but my belief is that the religion should be evaluated and judged separately from Jesus.

Evaluating Jesus and evaluating Christianity are two entirely different thing.

Don't quite understand your point. The Church and Christ go very much hand in hand and is the same relationship wise as marriage.

Christ is the bridegroom in the relationship to the Church as the bride. The Church being the followers of Christ. Paul speaks candidly on the subject in Corinthians, to the Corinthians about religion versus being a follower of Christ.

Many references in the Bible of Christ the bridegroom and the Church as the bride, in how a man and woman should treat each other and live. This is the big problem with same sex marriage and Biblical teachings. It bastardizes the type of marriage relationship deplicted in the Bible between a man and woman and the sanctity of it in how our relationship to Christ should be.

Of course, we, man, has bastardized the sexes into a mish mash of political correctness, taking away the very differences that God created and put in place to allow growth and understanding of each other. Now, we don't even know what sex we are.

The Church is called to follow Christ, support each other and spread the gospel of Christ. That is all the Church does, or is biblically called to do.

Yes, man makes religion, but man did not create the Word of God. While someone might have a problem with how a Bapt, Methodist or Episcopalian Church conducts their business, you can't argue with Paul or Words from Christ in how we should conduct our lives.

On the same note..... People will bash the Church for making it man's business, yet support those who do the same thing to fit their own lifestyles. Yes, man has spent his life trying to work God into what he wants.

You either except the Word of God or don't. Someone playing church doesn't affect my understanding of what Christ says or what Paul teaches.

Just saying.
 
Christ damn sure didn't set up the evoled trappings and views of the many and varied ''Christian Churches''. The Catholic Church is somewhat faithful, at least in spirit, the trappings are a wild mix Pagan and many other influences though.
The mainstream Christian Right has their own agendas though, and most of their political platform has little or nothing to do with Christ teachings, in fact they often mock those who truly believe in His most fundamental teachings.

What teachings are they mocking? Just curious.

And what agenda does the Christian Right have that is contrary to the Bible?

And how does it conflict with the Bible?
 
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Don't quite understand your point. The Church and Christ go very much hand in hand and is the same relationship wise as marriage.

Christ is the bridegroom in the relationship to the Church as the bride. The Church being the followers of Christ. Paul speaks candidly on the subject in Corinthians, to the Corinthians about religion versus being a follower of Christ.

Many references in the Bible of Christ the bridegroom and the Church as the bride, in how a man and woman should treat each other and live. This is the big problem with same sex marriage and Biblical teachings. It bastardizes the type of marriage relationship deplicted in the Bible between a man and woman and the sanctity of it in how our relationship to Christ should be.

Of course, we, man, has bastardized the sexes into a mish mash of political correctness, taking away the very differences that God created and put in place to allow growth and understanding of each other. Now, we don't even know what sex we are.

The Church is called to follow Christ, support each other and spread the gospel of Christ. That is all the Church does, or is biblically called to do.

Yes, man makes religion, but man did not create the Word of God. While someone might have a problem with how a Bapt, Methodist or Episcopalian Church conducts their business, you can't argue with Paul or Words from Christ in how we should conduct our lives.

On the same note..... People will bash the Church for making it man's business, yet support those who do the same thing to fit their own lifestyles. Yes, man has spent his life trying to work God into what he wants.

You either except the Word of God or don't. Someone playing church doesn't affect my understanding of what Christ says or what Paul teaches.

Just saying.

Churches evolve to the needs, desires and prejudices of members and leaders.
The agenda of most churches with a conservative bent almost always stray very far from Jesus's teachings. It's really absurd when you simply read the beliefs of those on this board who are the most zealous in their claims to being of faith.
I'm absolutely sure the self described ''Christians'' on this board would loath and ridicule Jesus if all they had to go on was his sermons without the label of ''The Son Of God'' attached to them.
 
Exceptional post. Indeed Most Christians today seem to follow a combination of their post-Christ evolved religion of choice and the books of The Old Testament, which is mostly Jewish.
Many Christians in this country mock the core teachings of Jesus without seeing the colossal irony.

I will say this, as a Christ Follower. Christ did not rewrite the book on sin. He completed the Law, specifically in how we relate to God and deal with forgiveness of sin.

Old Testament Laws, as it relates to Jew and non-Jews, were not abolished. Customs were. Jewish law was (in regards to Christ), but sin was not redefined.

That is the danger in these types of conversations. We can say that Christians don't understand Christ and are only self serving...... well, so is everyone else. We are human.

Christ lived with sinners, but never approved sin. He lived with sinners, but never ignored the sin. He forgave sinners, but commanded them to sin no more.

That point was so important to him, that he died for it and would not compromise it.

So what core teachings do I mock as a Christian? Just curious. You said it. I will change my behavior when called out. I sin a lot. I am always wanting to live my life pleasing to God. So what core teachings do Christians mock?
 
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Churches evolve to the needs, desires and prejudices of members and leaders.
The agenda of most churches with a conservative bent almost always stray very far from Jesus's teachings. It's really absurd when you simply read the beliefs of those on this board who are the most zealous in their claims to being of faith.
I'm absolutely sure the self described ''Christians'' on this board would loath and ridicule Jesus if all they had to go on was his sermons without the label of ''The Son Of God'' attached to them.

What agenda of "most" Churches strays from Jesus's teachings?

While I am not sure if I would loath His teachings if I knew he wasn't the Son of God, but I would assume he was a pretty decent guy. But because He is the Son of God, as I believe him to be, I can't tell him what he meant.

Again, he did not redefine sin, he just gave us an out.

Would like to know your views on how most Churches stray from Jesus.
 
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