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From a post made yesterday by Dr. Levi Cowan of Tropical Tidbits, which a lot of us use when the hurricanes start brewing:

I never publicly comment on political matters because they are usually irrelevant to my work of providing hurricane data and forecasts to people in my personal capacity. Today though, it is highly relevant, and as a member of the meteorological community, I am angry.

Planned or ongoing bulk workforce cuts would irreparably harm the National Weather Service, NOAA, and their scientists who save innumerable lives by warning people in advance of tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, tsunamis, blizzards, and other life-threatening hazards. Many of you reading this may knowingly or unknowingly be alive today because of their work, or know someone who is.

As a direct consequence of wounding the NWS and NOAA, the public would be less safe.

My personal mission to bring hurricane science, data, and forecasts to the public would not be possible without the weather observations, doppler radar stations, computer models, hurricane hunter aircraft, and weather satellites provided by NOAA and the NWS. Your favorite weather apps, TV meteorologists, and private weather companies would also be unable to function without this data or the civil servants who live and breathe it to synthesize it into public safety information.

All of these benefits cost each taxpayer the equivalent of a few cups of coffee per year, and surveys show most would be willing to pay much more. The American weather enterprise saves many, many times more money than it costs to run, making it one of the biggest bangs for your buck in the government. The impact of quality weather forecasts and infrastructure on society is multiplied many-fold by preventing economic disruptions, keeping public transportation efficient, and providing lead time to prepare for and mitigate disasters. Most importantly, it saves priceless lives.

Careful, long-term plans to streamline or reorient the weather enterprise in an evolving world are not bad, but *this plan* is insane. A feverish rush to take a cleaver to this workforce is self-destructive and dangerous to Americans who rely on the services they provide. It also cuts off the legs of young, passionate scientists who represent the future of meteorology in the new age of Al and other emerging technologies - the very people we need in the field right now.

As a part of this community since the age of 8 when I began analyzing hurricanes with dial-up internet, I am heartbroken and concerned by what appears to be planned or already in motion. It also directly impacts my friends and family. I cannot be silent, despite knowing I do myself no favors by speaking out. I ask you to join me in advocating for u/NWS and u/NOAA if you value their work or the work that I am able to do because of them. There are many ways to make your voice heard
 
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400 folks w less than 1 year experience? I think we'll be ok. I'm sure losing your job sucks though.
How do you know how much experience they have? In at least a lot of the government jobs when you get promoted you are on "probation" (if you read some of the posts on the Chat you would know this) and these people were losing their jobs in this indiscriminate practice. Also, do you think that they are hiring people for these technical jobs without any experience?

Just another dumb response blindly approving anything that Trump or Musk does.
 
Many that blindly celebrated “cost cutting” will be directly affected by the loss of the services and benefits that those costs paid for.
 
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How do you know how much experience they have? In at least a lot of the government jobs when you get promoted you are on "probation" (if you read some of the posts on the Chat you would know this) and these people were losing their jobs in this indiscriminate practice. Also, do you think that they are hiring people for these technical jobs without any experience?

Just another dumb response blindly approving anything that Trump or Musk does.
From CNN:
Probationary employees — those who have been in their jobs for a year or less, in most cases — were fired Thursday, a person inside the National Weather Service told CNN. There are between 350 and 375 employees with that status at the weather service, though it’s not clear how many of those were impacted; the person has heard there were some exemptions given to critical positions — likely life-threatening disaster forecasting roles, including hurricanes and severe thunderstorms.
 
How do you know how much experience they have? In at least a lot of the government jobs when you get promoted you are on "probation" (if you read some of the posts on the Chat you would know this) and these people were losing their jobs in this indiscriminate practice. Also, do you think that they are hiring people for these technical jobs without any experience?

Just another dumb response blindly approving anything that Trump or Musk does.
Saw it on the Internet so it's true.
 
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From a post made yesterday by Dr. Levi Cowan of Tropical Tidbits, which a lot of us use when the hurricanes start brewing:

I never publicly comment on political matters because they are usually irrelevant to my work of providing hurricane data and forecasts to people in my personal capacity. Today though, it is highly relevant, and as a member of the meteorological community, I am angry.

Planned or ongoing bulk workforce cuts would irreparably harm the National Weather Service, NOAA, and their scientists who save innumerable lives by warning people in advance of tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, tsunamis, blizzards, and other life-threatening hazards. Many of you reading this may knowingly or unknowingly be alive today because of their work, or know someone who is.

As a direct consequence of wounding the NWS and NOAA, the public would be less safe.

My personal mission to bring hurricane science, data, and forecasts to the public would not be possible without the weather observations, doppler radar stations, computer models, hurricane hunter aircraft, and weather satellites provided by NOAA and the NWS. Your favorite weather apps, TV meteorologists, and private weather companies would also be unable to function without this data or the civil servants who live and breathe it to synthesize it into public safety information.

All of these benefits cost each taxpayer the equivalent of a few cups of coffee per year, and surveys show most would be willing to pay much more. The American weather enterprise saves many, many times more money than it costs to run, making it one of the biggest bangs for your buck in the government. The impact of quality weather forecasts and infrastructure on society is multiplied many-fold by preventing economic disruptions, keeping public transportation efficient, and providing lead time to prepare for and mitigate disasters. Most importantly, it saves priceless lives.

Careful, long-term plans to streamline or reorient the weather enterprise in an evolving world are not bad, but *this plan* is insane. A feverish rush to take a cleaver to this workforce is self-destructive and dangerous to Americans who rely on the services they provide. It also cuts off the legs of young, passionate scientists who represent the future of meteorology in the new age of Al and other emerging technologies - the very people we need in the field right now.

As a part of this community since the age of 8 when I began analyzing hurricanes with dial-up internet, I am heartbroken and concerned by what appears to be planned or already in motion. It also directly impacts my friends and family. I cannot be silent, despite knowing I do myself no favors by speaking out. I ask you to join me in advocating for u/NWS and u/NOAA if you value their work or the work that I am able to do because of them. There are many ways to make your voice heard
Technology >manpower.
The majority were probationary and there was no reason for the growth in headcount the last 4 years, other than to blow our tax dollars.
 
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Technology >manpower.
The majority were probationary and there was no reason for the growth in headcount the last 4 years, other than to blow our tax dollars.
Sure hope you are right - but that’s purely a guess on your part, and you are biased.

The guy who posted these things knows what he is talking about. And he does not work for the government, so he’s not a fired employee with an axe to grind.
 
From a post made yesterday by Dr. Levi Cowan of Tropical Tidbits, which a lot of us use when the hurricanes start brewing:

I never publicly comment on political matters because they are usually irrelevant to my work of providing hurricane data and forecasts to people in my personal capacity. Today though, it is highly relevant, and as a member of the meteorological community, I am angry.

Planned or ongoing bulk workforce cuts would irreparably harm the National Weather Service, NOAA, and their scientists who save innumerable lives by warning people in advance of tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, tsunamis, blizzards, and other life-threatening hazards. Many of you reading this may knowingly or unknowingly be alive today because of their work, or know someone who is.

As a direct consequence of wounding the NWS and NOAA, the public would be less safe.

My personal mission to bring hurricane science, data, and forecasts to the public would not be possible without the weather observations, doppler radar stations, computer models, hurricane hunter aircraft, and weather satellites provided by NOAA and the NWS. Your favorite weather apps, TV meteorologists, and private weather companies would also be unable to function without this data or the civil servants who live and breathe it to synthesize it into public safety information.

All of these benefits cost each taxpayer the equivalent of a few cups of coffee per year, and surveys show most would be willing to pay much more. The American weather enterprise saves many, many times more money than it costs to run, making it one of the biggest bangs for your buck in the government. The impact of quality weather forecasts and infrastructure on society is multiplied many-fold by preventing economic disruptions, keeping public transportation efficient, and providing lead time to prepare for and mitigate disasters. Most importantly, it saves priceless lives.

Careful, long-term plans to streamline or reorient the weather enterprise in an evolving world are not bad, but *this plan* is insane. A feverish rush to take a cleaver to this workforce is self-destructive and dangerous to Americans who rely on the services they provide. It also cuts off the legs of young, passionate scientists who represent the future of meteorology in the new age of Al and other emerging technologies - the very people we need in the field right now.

As a part of this community since the age of 8 when I began analyzing hurricanes with dial-up internet, I am heartbroken and concerned by what appears to be planned or already in motion. It also directly impacts my friends and family. I cannot be silent, despite knowing I do myself no favors by speaking out. I ask you to join me in advocating for u/NWS and u/NOAA if you value their work or the work that I am able to do because of them. There are many ways to make your voice heard
Jesus. Those aholes are never correct. This guy is whining bc his grant money is drying up. Go back to when the guy drew fronts and low pressure symbols on the map with a magic marker. They were as good as the know nothings now.
 
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Jesus. Those aholes are never correct. This guy is whining bc his grant money is drying up. Go back to when the guy drew fronts and low pressure symbols on the map with a magic marker. They were as good as the know nothings now.
Well you seem ignorant on this subject. And if you lived in Florida, you would appreciate the improvements they have made.
 
Jesus. Those aholes are never correct. This guy is whining bc his grant money is drying up. Go back to when the guy drew fronts and low pressure symbols on the map with a magic marker. They were as good as the know nothings now.
He doesn’t work for the government.
 
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