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On the eve of election day 2020 v 2024.....

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I don't trust polls, which are totally dependent on how you weight turnout from different demographics, etc....notwithstanding any political bias or desired message. The one thing I do trust is that 15.1% spread on favorability.

The best predictor of turnout is the level of emotion associated with the candidates, and most importantly, the incumbent party. Even if the pollsters have appropriately adjusted for the shy trump vote or whatever you want to call it, I suspect their models haven't done much to account for the level of frustration / anger associated with the electorate that cuts across racial and economic categories. Inflation most importantly. That 15.1% says a lot. And early voting turnout from different demos support this. It is a 1980 dynamic, and in 1980 Reagan outperformed the polls by double digits. I don't expect that tomorrow, but I do think there is a good chance for a mandate-type outcome.

 
I just can't see Kamala inspiring a great turn out. I don't know how you can measure it and the Ds certainly make it easier for their voters to get ballots to precincts but from everything I'm seeing, the Rs are way more motivated.
 
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I just can't see Kamala inspiring a great turn out. I don't know how you can measure it and the Ds certainly make it easier for their voters to get ballots to precincts but from everything I'm seeing, the Rs are way more motivated.
Surprise outcomes almost always come from populist candidates that generate a goundswell of unseen voters.....people who feel disaffected. Brexit and Trump 2016 are the most notable situations here. That is exactly the opposite of what Harris is. Whatever word you want to use: Establishment. Elite. College grads, etc.

All the anecdotal info, his polling relative to 2016/2020, and most importantly, the mood of the country....points to Trump.
 
Surprise outcomes almost always come from populist candidates that generate a goundswell of unseen voters.....people who feel disaffected. Brexit and Trump 2016 are the most notable situations here. That is exactly the opposite of what Harris is. Whatever word you want to use: Establishment. Elite. College grads, etc.

All the anecdotal info, his polling relative to 2016/2020, and most importantly, the mood of the country....points to Trump.
I thought she came from a middle class family and was the candidate for change.
 
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