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On The Jim Chaney Hire

marshall_dillon

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He is not the guy that I wanted. The good thing: he wasn't Smart's first choice either. The guy that Smart wanted, Arkansas refused to release. That is a downer.

But here is the main part: Chaney is a guy who has been in the game since he was OL coach at Wyoming in 1995. (Actually before then he was an assistant for a small school in California that dropped football.) He was OC at Purdue for eight years (although it is fair to point out that head coach Joe Tiller called the plays for much of that time). 3 years as a position coach in the NFL. An OC at Tennessee, Arkansas and Pitt since then. He is a veteran, capable, qualified guy. He may not be exceptional or innovative, but with the exception of Auburn in 2010 and perhaps Florida in 2008, exceptional and innovative hasn't won national titles in the SEC. (Even then, the effectiveness was likely owing more to exceptional athletes like Percy Harvin, the Pouncey twins, Cam Newton and Tim Tebow than the scheme and playcalling). Otherwise, "reliable and effective" was what worked for LSU in 2003, Auburn in 2004, Florida in 2006, LSU in 2007 and (sigh) Alabama every year since then. UGA won't be a dumpster fire on offense like Tennessee under Dave Clawson, Auburn under Tommy Franklin and Hugh Nall, the entire Will Muschamp era at Florida or LSU since JaMarcus Russell left. UGA will be competent at running the football and passing the football at the same time, which happened shockingly few times at UGA under Richt: only in 2002, 2007-2008, 2012-2013. Yep. That is right. Those are the only times that UGA had a combination of a QB to pass for over 2800 yards (at a reasonable completion percentage and TD/INT ratio) and a RB to run for over 900. The David Greene/Musa Smith year in '02, the Stafford/Moreno 07-08 years, and the Murray/Gurley 12-13 years. 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2010, 2011 UGA had good to great QB play but not much at tailback; 2014 and 2015 they had great RB play but not much at QB, 2009 both the QB and the RB play were subpar but UGA somehow still won 8 games anyway. Wait ... it wasn't somehow. It was because the only ranked team - the only team with fewer than 5 losses - UGA beat that year was Georgia Tech. Balanced football will return to UGA under Chaney. Maybe UGA won't regularly throw for 4000 yards under Chaney or have a 1500 yard tailback under Chaney, but based on his track record UGA will have a 3000 yard passer and a 1000 yard rusher nearly every year. And having that alone at UGA would have won the SEC East every year since 2010, instead of having to suffer the indignity of watching South Carolina, Missouri twice, a terrible offensive team at Florida go instead.

Another factor: Smart was quick to emphasize a varied background; that Chaney had both pro-style and spread in his background. (The guy that Smart wanted from Arkansas had the same.) What it is pretty safe to gather from that: no more will UGA make the next Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, Connor Shaw or Josh Dobbs go out of state because they are spread guys and not pro-style guys. Under Chaney, UGA will be able to recruit, develop and run an offense for both and play whoever is best. This reminds me of a guy that UGA fans may detest but has a great track record at this: Jimbo Fisher. At LSU, Fisher won the SEC with Rohan Davey (dropback passer), a national title with Matt Mauck (spread option) and his system developed JaMarcus Russell (dropback passer, #1 overall pick) and Matt Flynn (spread option, won national title). And at FSU he has had Christian Ponder (pro style #1 draft pick), E.J. Manuel (spread option #1 draft pick), Jameis Winston (pro-style #1 overall draft pick and national title) and played both Everett Golston (spread dual threat) and Sean Maguire (pro style) this year for a 10-2 record. Another staff who does a great job: Clemson. In the past several years they have had Wally Korn (pro-style), Tajh Boyd (spread) and now Deshaun Watson (spread QB in high school, but is running mostly a pro-style offense with a lot of designed runs - pretty much what Cam Newton and Russell Wilson do in the NFL - at Clemson ... Miami needs to adopt that offense with Ryan Tannehill, who was first a WR then a spread QB at Texas A&M, and so does Cleveland with Johnny Manziel but oh well).

Now Chaney doesn't need to be as good as Fisher or the Clemson staff. He merely needs to produce offenses that are capable and consistent whether the QB is a pro-style guy or a dual threat guy, and of course have an effective running game no matter who is under center. And as he has done this before at a lot of other places, he will much more likely do this than not at UGA.
 
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My reaction..''The Pouncey Twins'' what a great name for porn, I mean if they were female, and attractive.
 
Not my first choice either, but the thing i've heard from former players of his, beat writers, as well as fans where he has been. He knows how to get the best players the ball in space. That would have been a wonder this year. Its what we need, especially after chubb went down and we failed at it a lot. I also like the fact that he has shown an ability to adapt, both from spread and pace to pro style...working with what talent he has had. We shall see. In the end, as OC, all that matters is can he score enough points to win big games. If we can see some consistency with, like you said, 3000 yard passers and 1000 yard rushers, we will be in the mix fairly consistently.
 
Gary Danielson raved about the hire today on the Finebaum show. Said his up and down resume is not really indicative of his ability to put together an offense. Pretty much every analyst, expert, and college football taking head seems to think it's a great hire. Fans seemed to be mixed at best on the hire. I do know this, the sexy hire doesn't always work out. I'm going to trust Kirby until he gives me a reason not to.
 
I'm not real excited about the Chaney hire, but I think He's good enough to put up enough points in support of a great defense.
We went for a defense centric approach by hiring Kirby. That being the case ball control is as important as putting up big scores. I'd sure rather win a low scoring game than lose a shootout.
As pointed out Chaney is capable of using the best players, Schotty struggled with that. I got really tired of the explanation for not using the TEs. All the talk about progressions rang false after awhile.
I'll give Kiffin credit for maximizing a great WR in 2014, then adjusting and setting records with a RB this season. If You have an AJ Green, get him the ball, Chubb, same thing.
I don't know that Chaney can max out multiple great talents like Carroll did at USC, but if We're good enough to win, I'll be happy.
 
Pittman may be the bigger deal here....I had no idea how well he recruited nationally:

  • Five-star James Hurst (signed to North Carolina from the state of Indiana)
  • Four-star Brian Wallace (signed to Arkansas over Alabama from the state of Missouri)
  • Four-star Denver Kirkland (signed to Arkansas over Miami from south Florida)
  • Four-star Frank Ragnow (signed to Arkansas over Florida State, etc. from the state of Minnesota)
  • Four-star Reeve Koehler (signed to Arkansas from the state of Hawaii)
Nor did i realize the importance of this until you start seeing that the southeast isn't exactly known for stud OL like it is other positions. On Bama's 2 deep, only half are from southern states. The rest are from all over.....
 
Pittman may be the bigger deal here....I had no idea how well he recruited nationally:

  • Five-star James Hurst (signed to North Carolina from the state of Indiana)
  • Four-star Brian Wallace (signed to Arkansas over Alabama from the state of Missouri)
  • Four-star Denver Kirkland (signed to Arkansas over Miami from south Florida)
  • Four-star Frank Ragnow (signed to Arkansas over Florida State, etc. from the state of Minnesota)
  • Four-star Reeve Koehler (signed to Arkansas from the state of Hawaii)
Nor did i realize the importance of this until you start seeing that the southeast isn't exactly known for stud OL like it is other positions. On Bama's 2 deep, only half are from southern states. The rest are from all over.....


I reviewed Arky's OL recruiting a few days ago. They have pulled about average for a middle of the pack SEC program.
It's how their players explode in size and strength that makes them really effective.
Nobody wants to explore the obvious, We'll see what We see in a program like Ours' where leaders aren't as inclined to look the other way as in many other programs.
 
and here we go again with steroid accusations out of you.....word out of arky and such is that his players love him, that he has basically a CMR type relationship with the players he coaches and the players who have moved on. I don't blame him from wanting to get away from BB though....or his wife (great eye candy, but when she opens her mouth to form words....dear God)
 
I reviewed Arky's OL recruiting a few days ago. They have pulled about average for a middle of the pack SEC program.
It's how their players explode in size and strength that makes them really effective.
Nobody wants to explore the obvious, We'll see what We see in a program like Ours' where leaders aren't as inclined to look the other way as in many other programs.

Why do you do shit like this? You all but accuse the man of juicing his players without a goddamn bit of evidence to make such an implication. None! You don't have a clue about this man or what he's like as a coach. You've never even met him. If he was juicing his players, he would have long been caught by now.

I'm also not sure how you can call four and five start offensive lineman about average for a middle of the road SEC program. That's far better than we've done the last 15 years when it comes to offensive line. You are unbelievable!
 
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Why do you do shit like this? You all but accuse the man of juicing his players without a goddamn bit of evidence to make such an implication. None! You don't have a clue about this man or what he's like as a coach. You've never even met him. If he was juicing his players, he would have long been caught by now.

I'm also not sure how you can call four and five start offensive lineman about average for a middle of the road SEC program. That's far better than we've done the last 15 years when it comes to offensive line. You are unbelievable!

I think Arky's OL is juicing, that is correct.
I don't contend to know who supplies them or who knows, but common sense suggest people close to the situation would have some idea.

In the 3 years Pittman has been at Arky they've signed 7 OL rated 3 stars and 4 rated 4 stars. SC has signed 7 rated 3 stars and 4 rated 4 stars, exactly the same for a similar program.
Oddly We have also signed 7 rated 3 and 4 rated 4 over the same 3 years. That is under-performing for Our situation. We've never had a big time recruiter at OL so I won't be surprised if He exceeds those results.
 
I reviewed Arky's OL recruiting a few days ago. They have pulled about average for a middle of the pack SEC program.
It's how their players explode in size and strength that makes them really effective.
Nobody wants to explore the obvious, We'll see what We see in a program like Ours' where leaders aren't as inclined to look the other way as in many other programs.
LOL! The NCAA radomly tests players for any illegal boost and they catch a few like the UF QB and the UGA OL. Frankly at this level not many players do that since they will get caught and no coaches will encourage it since they will lose their careers. And frankly it is not necessary. They have access to supplementation that comes real close and diet now. BTW, my good friend at UGA told me the admin at Georgia was far and away more supportive of supplementation money wise than his previous stop and was among the top 3 in the league at that time (2006). Alabama was his previous job. He hated that job (Bama) at the time he was there because the support was terrible. He is/was my friend and had zero reason to lie to me. He liked CMR, btw. But he said thebest places to coach in the SEC at that time were LSU, UGA and AU because of the support and supplementation was at the top of the list. But because of the health risks and even criminal charges against any coach steroids are just not school allowed. Someone would bust the entire ncaa and any school for a billion dollars. That is not happening anymore.Only UGA and UF players have been busted and in neither case was a coach or the school remotely involved.
 
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LOL! The NCAA radomly tests players for any illegal boost and they catch a few like the UF QB and the UGA OL. Frankly at this level not many players do that since they will get caught and no coaches will encourage it since they will lose their careers. And frankly it is not necessary. They have access to supplementation that comes real close and diet now. BTW, my good friend at UGA told me the admin at Georgia was far and away more supportive of supplementation money wise than his previous stop and was among the top 3 in the league at that time (2006) than Alabama which was his previous job. He hated that job (Bama) at the time he was there because the support was terrible. He is/was my friend and had zero reason to lie to me. He liked CMR, btw. But he said thebest places to coach in the SEC at that time were LSU, UGA and AU because of the support and supplementation was at the top of the list. But because of the health risks and even criminal charges against any coach steroids are just not school allowed. Someone would bust the entire ncaa and any school for a billion dollars. That is not happening anymore.Only UGA and UF players have been busted and in neither case was a coach or the school remotely involved.

You're naïve if You think even a fraction of players on PEDs are caught at any level. Your post doesn't reflect reality.

Bonds never tested positive, neither did Lance Armstrong, A-Roid, etc. Everybody taking the stuff knows the procedures to follow to avoid testing positive.
 
Have you ever seen or been through an NCAA drug test? I have. Not something you can exactly prepare for.
 
Not only the testing, but all it takes is 1 player who was juicing who didn't live up to potential, feel he was slighted playing time, or doesn't make NFL and needs money from a publication...to rat out the entire thing.
 
Have you ever seen or been through an NCAA drug test? I have. Not something you can exactly prepare for.

If 1% were caught we wouldn't see 20 year olds with veins on top of veins.
It's interesting if a person is in baseball and has that look, it's obvious. The same look in football..? are We dealing with a separate species ? The game is full of cheaters, and almost all of them fool the test.
 
I think Arky's OL is juicing, that is correct.
I don't contend to know who supplies them or who knows, but common sense suggest people close to the situation would have some idea.

In the 3 years Pittman has been at Arky they've signed 7 OL rated 3 stars and 4 rated 4 stars. SC has signed 7 rated 3 stars and 4 rated 4 stars, exactly the same for a similar program.
Oddly We have also signed 7 rated 3 and 4 rated 4 over the same 3 years. That is under-performing for Our situation. We've never had a big time recruiter at OL so I won't be surprised if He exceeds those results.

I think you're a damn idiot.
 
And we were doing so well.

Happens when you throw around accusations at Pitman and Cochran about juicing (i assume you would indicate Hocke our SC coach since he learned from Cochran) without any documentation to back it up. It looks like sour grapes at best, and downright rude and dishonest at worst.
 
Happens when you throw around accusations at Pitman and Cochran about juicing (i assume you would indicate Hocke our SC coach since he learned from Cochran) without any documentation to back it up. It looks like sour grapes at best, and downright rude and dishonest at worst.

''sour grapes'' that doesn't make a lick of sense.
I see what I see, that is tough to ignore, unless you want to not see something. Arkansas has an entire OL of 5 starters that all have the look that many know what it usually comes from. Add the massive weight gains, the over-inflated look, the pronounced veins, the weight distribution and on and on.
I worked out at a gym above Atlanta where guys from the near by wrestling school worked out. A guy there worked them out and supplied PEDs. After awhile it was very easy to tell when somebody went from clean workouts to using PEDs.

Now, I'm done with it.
 
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