Most of them. The military contract means you agree to go where they tell you to go, when they tell you and to follow all lawful orders under the penalty of court marshal. They can literally order you to carry out an almost certain suicide mission (extreme example) or to leave a pregnant wife and deploy thousands of miles away. I don't think forcing that agreement on any citizen by law is in line with the bill of rights.
They’ve always had dumbasses leading the military since the time of revolutionary war, certainly the civil war, Viet Nam etc. The key takeaway is they’ve had outstanding leaders/soldiers too. The left hand is halfway fighting the right hand and the enemy too.
When in the hell did this become an assault on liberty? This is about serving your country. They used to have the draft and I thought it was about serving our country. It’s time these young people start contributing back to our country instead of taking away everything without any accountability.
Viet Nam era draftees would agree. I can't imagine the SCOTUS hasn't ruled on it.
Leadership comes and goes. The heart of a patriot stays the same.
When did forcing military service (to borrow a phrase from Neil Boortz) "at the point of a gun" become an assault on liberty? I get how mandatory military service works in Israel and think military service in the U.S. should be aggressively promoted as well as incentivized but I'm not sure I'd want to force a bunch of candidates for Leavenworth into poisoning the ranks.
Most young people do the growing up they need to do and become productive adults because of military service. Coming to the realization that freedom is not free is an important milestone. Military service makes hiding from that truth much more difficult. That is a good thing. That is exactly the conclusion the Israelis have reached.
I remember back in the 50s and 60s, if you got in trouble with the law and you went before a judge not on a felony now but he would give you a choice jail time or military service and that’s a fact because I saw in first hand on two different occasions.
Judge Reeves in Smyrna used to do it all the time. He had another quip which was hilarious. He used to say, "if I see you again, you better bring your pajamas".
I agree military service a good thing but involuntary conscription is not compatible with liberty. If the constitution stated that you had to complete certain task to earn liberty, maybe but it doesnt require you to earn your freedom.
A classmate of mine got in trouble with the law and he was given that choice. He retired from the Army with 30 years of service and was a Master Sergeant working in the Pentagon when he retired. So troubled people can turn out for the better with military service.
That's true. The Constitution does not specify an obligation for full rights. IMO that is a mistake. If Veterans in our society enjoyed prestige for risking their lives to protect the rest, we would be better off as a society and more people would desire to serve, even if their reason was love of self ... we sure got no shortage of those shitheads.
This is about serving your country and that has nothing to do with liberty or freedom.
I think we're on the same page. I'm all for incentivizing military service in order to make a 3 or 4 yr commitment extremely attractive. I just think the decision to serve needs to be voluntary.
Amend the Constitution but that would be a very sad day. It would be hard to be the land of the free and the home of the brave if you were conscripting pussies into the military.
Man we have trans in the military now make those pussies into men. That’s what the military used to do. That’s what basic training was for. They just have to get tougher on the recruits like it used to be.
I get it but the military isn't about the infantry any longer. Yeah, we still need the badasses that can conquer the fear of fighting door to door but we also need the folks that grew up eating, drinking and sleeping technology. It doesn't really matter if the kid programming or operating drones can run the obstacle course.
OK. That I was expecting and I agree, except that there is a point when the right to citizenship is earned. The right to live in this country freely involves responsibility.
Wrong. Dictators need a democracy to gain power by way of vote, often received by incentives to voters. Hitler did it. Castro did it. Mussolini did it.
Notwithstanding the fact that mandatory military service works some places, I agree that military service is not a viable choice for everyone. Neither is a huge number indicative of an adequate military today. However, some form of public service after high school IMO would benefit every young person.
