And it illustrates what is wrong with some cops and some policing in general. The assumption that I have a gun, I am the police and if I choose to use it on you for whatever reason it is justified because I am the police. Kid and his gf are trying to sell some dope. Cops know who he is, where he lives, etc. Small town. During the attempted take down kid tries to drive off and cop blows him away. Not armed, nothing, he simply does what most kids would do if given a chance, drive off. Feds are also investigating and I have no doubt they are going to make a charge. Look, M. Brown was a thug who assaulted that policeman and tried to take his gun for no other reason than to shoot the cop. Then charged the cop. He basically committed suicide. Policeman was involved in a fight for his life. This kid did none of the sort. Tried to sell dope, busted, tried to drive off and the cop murdered him.
Police shooting 19 year old in Seneca SC looks like murder!
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A car is a deadly weapon, it is just easier to tell these people to comply with law enforcement as not doing so leads to difficult outcomes. This president is just idiotic adding fuel to the fire, comply people and let by he courts decide.
I agree. BO and Holder have blood and racial violence and a rising murder rate all over this country on their hands. But it is two separate issues. Violence by a thug is violence by a thug. Watch the video, this was violence by a police thug. Sorry as I am to say it and it is scary in it's own way. Like the policeman also in S.C. I believe who shot the fleeing suspect in the back. And the cops who took the guy off the horse in California. Thug is thug. And the cop who shot the guy who took off when he asked for his driver's license. I understand, cops are out here dealing with animals but then some become the same animal it seems. Part of the division spread by politicians. And as insane as it seems a very few cops do crazy things (and totally unnecessary as they have all they need to arrest 99% of these people later) since they catch the us vs the t-rds mentality. Some part of it is the issuing of military equipment to cops and they think they are in Iraq. This idiot, or so it appears had on some sort of military gear with fatiques and crap. You so bad, join the army. A few cop an attitude and become incapable of dealing with the people they are to protect. Even common moms transporting their children.
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Look it is possible to support Law Enforcement but also demand that poor and illegal police actions be prosecuted. The shit going on by some law enforcement out there must stop
A car is only a potential weapon when it's coming at you, not when it's driving away. Also I've seen that claim made when the cop was to the side of a moving car, which is transparently ridiculous.
I have to agree if its the video I saw. The car was not coming at him...correct...wasn't it a sting for a pot dealer?
He was close enough to the car and on the left side which was the direction it was turning. You never know what the next move by the driver is when they are fleeing arrest.
Again, best to just comply and let the lawyers and judge decide.
What you were doing is secondary once you've been asked to stop and comply by law enforcement.
It just has to be this way to stop all of these shootings or rough handling. Law has to be maintained and it will always be through strength not weakness. Cops are arseholes but the job makes them that way as they want to go home at the end of the day as well.
Again, best to just comply and let the lawyers and judge decide.
What you were doing is secondary once you've been asked to stop and comply by law enforcement.
It just has to be this way to stop all of these shootings or rough handling. Law has to be maintained and it will always be through strength not weakness. Cops are arseholes but the job makes them that way as they want to go home at the end of the day as well.
Let's prosecute bad cops, send them to prison and see what effect it has on others who would abuse their positions.
Cops don't have to kill unless they HAVE TO kill. You can't turn a car like lawnmower, there are no zero turn autos. If a cop is to the side of a car he has better options than opening fire.
Good luck with that, I recommend teaching the actual criminals to comply. Your way or Obamas way is just going to keep getting them killed. Teaching people it is OK to ignore authority will continue to end badly.
Cops can be criminals, in fact when they commit illegal violence, they ARE criminals. Treat them like we do other violent criminals.
Also nobody teaches people it's ok to flee the scene, but it's damn sure not a capital crime is it ? You charge a person appropriately and let due process run it's course. That is how our justice system is designed to work.
Even in murder cases DUE process is the order of law.
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Sure they can be but that is irrelevant to the issues of today. Comply and do not allow the situation to excalate. Let the lawyers and judge sort it out if you weren't doing anything wrong. That is real due process, you possibly forfeit that when you do not comply with a police officer at the time of arrest or potential arrest. It is that simple.
Preach it to the people that keep being involved in this so they understand or it will continue to happen.
Preach it to the people that keep being involved in this so they understand or it will continue to happen.
It's FAR from irrelevant to what's going on, it's THE MOST critical ingredient in ending these bad shootings and other unduly violent reactions by cops.
Criminals, drunks, people with tempers and those who might be understandably scared of cops WILL run on occasion and they will say or do things that might piss cops off, it goes with the job.
No, the only way this will be brought under control is for cops to behave right.
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Looking at this thread, one obvious piece of nuance is being ignored by those defending the officer. He shot the kid while he was parallel to the driverside window. Away from the front of the moving car in which originally positioned himself. People who are pretending really hard if they are trying to convince themselves that this was an act of self defense. And btw, the fact that the cop drew a gun on the guy, escalating the situatuion out of the gate, forced an unnecessary fight/flight reaction. The cop's actions were criminally negligent across the board, and are being arbitrarily ignored by his apologists.
Any of you remember the man shot and killed in Toccoa, GA a few years ago? He was a young white preacher who had given a ride to a known prostitute / drug dealer. A drug task force happened to be in surveillance and thought he was buying / propositioning. The drug force were in plain cloths and surrounded his car, guns drawn. He panicked, thought it was a robbery, and sped off. They killed him because he was accused of using his car as a deadly weapon. His widow sued and got some money, but this one was really bad.
I'm 100% certain that high speed pursuits (and similar situations) are cause for more death than what would have been committed without the high risk apprehension. In Japan (where they place a very high premium on pragmatism), the cops don't even engage in these practices because they know that the risk for death for everyone involved (especially innocent civilians), is far too high. I'm reminded of the innecessary death of Braves trainer, Jeff Porter's wife, who was killed by a police vehicle at high speeds.
I do not know the whole story but it is irrelevant to the deadman... Again, if you run, they will chase you, if you fight, they will fight back.
One thing is for sure, if he did what he was told he would be alive....Law enforcement is never going to always get it right, but running and disobeying the law does not help.
The current Dept of Justice and President is making it worse, not better. Do not empower criminals and thugs.
I will be the first to tell you cops can be arse holes and crooks, but it is what it is in situations like this. Throw your hands up and cooperate or take your chances....
One thing is for sure, if he did what he was told he would be alive....Law enforcement is never going to always get it right, but running and disobeying the law does not help.
The current Dept of Justice and President is making it worse, not better. Do not empower criminals and thugs.
I will be the first to tell you cops can be arse holes and crooks, but it is what it is in situations like this. Throw your hands up and cooperate or take your chances....
Well, compliance well get you shot too. There was that incident where a cop pulled a kid over. The cop told the kid to show him his paperwork, the kid reaches in his truck for said paperwork, and the cop drops him. 2. All that said, two interesting themes are recurring here: 1. Most of these incidents occur when the cop comes in too hot, where everyone becomes a victim of their adrenaline, poor training or disregard for their training. People are putting all the onus on the victims who get scared into a fight flight reaction (and that is a chemical reaction, irreversible in the moment, triggered by a rush of adrenaline and dopamine), and completely ignoring any and all responsibility of people who are paid to have a cooler head in tense situations, than the average citizen.
Some in law enforcement will commit violent crimes regardless.
You can bet they would be fewer if they knew there would be a likelihood it would land them in prison though.
You would think. But the dash cams and the body cams and stuff don't seem to matter to the tiny % who are inclined to do such. And others getting heat don't seem to matter. But it is a tiny, tiny group. I think most inner city cops should be black since other blacks are slower to scream racism if the cop is black. Plus the black thugs know many of the black police are not messing around and will get tough so they are slower to provoke. One big issue that is exploding is the public school situation. A few black children will act out. And having a monitor, security person and so forth doesn't seem to phase them once they get on a roll. And then the real problem rears it's head, the parent who has taught them negative things in their bringing up. They want the school shut down, money and people fired. And it is only going to get worse now that the president has indicated that they are being put upon. That problem has no answer except work hard and send your child to a private school or at least a great public school with higher demographics to draw from.
In a case like We saw with the black girl getting dragged from a desk, I'd say call in help and pick the desk up with her in it if necessary. There are some teen agers too far gone for regular schools, You have to think of the greater good, even if it means permanent expulsion.
I say do what is needed to de-escalate .... the teacher and administrator turned this into a situation where a teenaged girl and all the snakes in her head were calling the shots ....
...this was an out of control, low speed chase, but every person in a position authority that could stop it refused to.... and all of us including that poor dumb idiot teenaged girl, have to pay the price for the poor actions of the adults in charge
that said, I don't think the cop shoulda been fired either, but municipalities are now afraid of black mob violence so that's all that could be done
You said it Five DEESCALATION is the name of the game and is a technique not currently being widely used by our nations law enforcement. How would this situation have been different if the cop had just blocked the teen's car forward path of motion
I also find it interesting that some on this board will scream from the roof tops demanding accountability when they make mistakes (school teachers, politicians, welfare recipients, kids, doctors and anyone else they can think of) but let a police officer make a mistake that cost some their life and it's the he feared for his life excuse. We should demand more from our Law Enforcement officer and not continually make excuses for their misconduct.
Having ran retail (big ticket, big box) I can tell you the by far most out of control and difficult if not downright impossible to deal with are black females. Whites? Piece of cake 99% of the time. Hispanics? Same, just do the right thing plus a little and they are happy almost to a person and will do business again. Black males? Pretty simple too. Do the right thing and pay them, not a lot but something. Black women. They want death, destruction, building burnt down, electric chair for all employees, half a mill, a victory lap parade and a raised platform so they can scream and throw stuff from it and yell "don't you talk DOWN to me MU f! 1 full hour a day.
That said there likely was no de-escalation once, as Helen kinda put it, some of these people have gone too far around the bend. So what do you do? If you call the parents they will come crazy themselves at times, others they bring a lynch mob. Damn few would do what most folks would say do and that is retrieve the child, get her side at home and make an appt with the principal and teacher/guidance to discuss where to go from there, what factors are contributing and what is best for the child.
I don't think the "continually make excuses for their misconduct is a real big issue". People pretty much have their eyes open. Here's the background. The police rarely if ever meet someone at their work in a good mood because they are constantly dealing with negative and the people they are meeting are either aholes or unhappy most of the time. So they cop an attitude themselves and the police convo goes on and on about not taking any shit and so on. Then we militarized them which further cemented their idea that it's them against the people. And the cities, counties and states are pushing the hell out of them to generate income. ALL of THEM! And glorifying the hard core and belittling the non-producers. You sling all of that against a group who is pizzed and thinks they have been screwed over and who happens to be committing a disproportionate amt of the violent crimes, are ganged up and broke so they can't afford insurance, registrations and or their license is suspended. And the jackazz stopping me is one of the ones who is screwing me over and btw, I have warrants out for me and see what happens. Both parties think the other is bent on doing harm. And on a hair trigger.
The cop approached the car. The kid made zero attempts to drive towards the police officer
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