Regarding Muschamp (to SC lurkers)..

[byrd dawg]

I meant this in all seriousness - not a jab - asking why are some (because clearly its not all SC fans) are excited about Muschamp other than the fact of "he's our coach now and I'll support". he didn't succeed at Tx, was fired from UF for poor performance, and hired at Auburn and opponents ran all over that defense.. But, you'll say look at what UF did with his players. They beat a bad UGA team and barely beat Vandy, Fl Atlantic, and Tenn.. yes, a win is win, but if you boast about his players at UF, then, the other side of the coin is that it took someone else to pull out the talent. I can hear the excuse now, too, about Auburn and those NOT being his players...Seems like an excuse around every corner. Either he has some scandalous pics of someone to get these jobs or people think they're getting someone special just because he throws tirades on the sidelines or like the nickname, "Boom".. He looked the fool in the Alabama game and cost AU a field goal which was a turning point. So, SC.. what say you? I would be concerned as a Gamecock.. but, then, again, I like the hire as a UGA fan (as do many other SEC foe). As for the "now he's motivated and has something to prove response".. Um, ok, this time is different.

 

[whitepug6]

I meant this in all seriousness - not a jab - asking why are some (because clearly its not all SC fans) are excited about Muschamp other than the fact of "he's our coach now and I'll support". he didn't succeed at Tx, was fired from UF for poor performance, and hired at Auburn and opponents ran all over that defense.. But, you'll say look at what UF did with his players. They beat a bad UGA team and barely beat Vandy, Fl Atlantic, and Tenn.. yes, a win is win, but if you boast about his players at UF, then, the other side of the coin is that it took someone else to pull out the talent. I can hear the excuse now, too, about Auburn and those NOT being his players...Seems like an excuse around every corner. Either he has some scandalous pics of someone to get these jobs or people think they're getting someone special just because he throws tirades on the sidelines or like the nickname, "Boom".. He looked the fool in the Alabama game and cost AU a field goal which was a turning point. So, SC.. what say you? I would be concerned as a Gamecock.. but, then, again, I like the hire as a UGA fan (as do many other SEC foe). As for the "now he's motivated and has something to prove response".. Um, ok, this time is different.

I don't think Sakerlina people have any choice but to pretend this is an exciting hire. Otherwise, they would be calling for their AD's firing. Ray Tanner had months to contact and hire an up-and-coming young coach. Tanner put all his eggs in one basket (pun intended) to pursue Tom Herman, who played Sakerlina. Then Tanner put all his attention on hiring Kirby Smart. McGarity played Tanner by promptly firing Richt and hiring Smart. Once Herman and Smart were off the board, Tanner panicked and started contacting retread head coaches---Rich Rodriguez, Greg Schiano, and Muschamp. It is very telling that neither RichRod nor Schianoman wanted anything to do with Sakerlina.

The Sakerlina people are under some delusion that their football program is a prestige job simply because it is in the SEC. That's like Vanderbilt or Kentucky claiming prestige status---crazy. At least Vanderbilt and Kentucky have won an SEC title in football. Sakerlina has won one (1) SEC East in its history.

There were a lot of head football coaches who would have been good hires:

Mike Leach, Wash State
Scott Satterfield, App State
Willie Fritz, Georgia Southern
Matt Campbell, Toledo
Jeff Brohm, Western Kentucky
Chris Klieman, North Dakota State

But Tanner and Sakerlina think they are an elite program deserving of an elite coach.

 

[Dawgman94]

They think they hired a Saban deciple they actually hired a brown and tubs deciple.

 

[oletex]

I meant this in all seriousness - not a jab - asking why are some (because clearly its not all SC fans) are excited about Muschamp other than the fact of "he's our coach now and I'll support". he didn't succeed at Tx, was fired from UF for poor performance, and hired at Auburn and opponents ran all over that defense.. But, you'll say look at what UF did with his players. They beat a bad UGA team and barely beat Vandy, Fl Atlantic, and Tenn.. yes, a win is win, but if you boast about his players at UF, then, the other side of the coin is that it took someone else to pull out the talent. I can hear the excuse now, too, about Auburn and those NOT being his players...Seems like an excuse around every corner. Either he has some scandalous pics of someone to get these jobs or people think they're getting someone special just because he throws tirades on the sidelines or like the nickname, "Boom".. He looked the fool in the Alabama game and cost AU a field goal which was a turning point. So, SC.. what say you? I would be concerned as a Gamecock.. but, then, again, I like the hire as a UGA fan (as do many other SEC foe). As for the "now he's motivated and has something to prove response".. Um, ok, this time is different.

Actually he is a damn strong defensive cord. No doubt. AU came on at the end. And Texas kinda came unglued after he left the program. His next to last year there they were in the national title game. He inherited a gang infested nightmare @ UF and never got an offensive thing going. Too late he tried to do what they should have been doing all along and that is go to a spread with all the speed in Florida. He recruited all that explosive defensive talent. He will bring in some great players @ SC. That was their problem this year, they ran out of athletes. He is his own man but the guy who taught him the trade is as good a defensive coach as any and that was Bill "Brother Oliver" when Brother went to AU late in his career.

 

[SOSCock]

Actually he is a damn strong defensive cord. No doubt. AU came on at the end. And Texas kinda came unglued after he left the program. His next to last year there they were in the national title game. He inherited a gang infested nightmare @ UF and never got an offensive thing going. Too late he tried to do what they should have been doing all along and that is go to a spread with all the speed in Florida. He recruited all that explosive defensive talent. He will bring in some great players @ SC. That was their problem this year, they ran out of athletes. He is his own man but the guy who taught him the trade is as good a defensive coach as any and that was Bill "Brother Oliver" when Brother went to AU late in his career.

 

[1ClemsonJR]

Worst hire since ,since , never mind ..

 

[Dawgman94]

Worst hire since ,since , never mind ..

Lu holtz HBc take your pick

 

[tngamecock#]

I meant this in all seriousness - not a jab - asking why are some (because clearly its not all SC fans) are excited about Muschamp other than the fact of "he's our coach now and I'll support". he didn't succeed at Tx, was fired from UF for poor performance, and hired at Auburn and opponents ran all over that defense.. But, you'll say look at what UF did with his players. They beat a bad UGA team and barely beat Vandy, Fl Atlantic, and Tenn.. yes, a win is win, but if you boast about his players at UF, then, the other side of the coin is that it took someone else to pull out the talent. I can hear the excuse now, too, about Auburn and those NOT being his players...Seems like an excuse around every corner. Either he has some scandalous pics of someone to get these jobs or people think they're getting someone special just because he throws tirades on the sidelines or like the nickname, "Boom".. He looked the fool in the Alabama game and cost AU a field goal which was a turning point. So, SC.. what say you? I would be concerned as a Gamecock.. but, then, again, I like the hire as a UGA fan (as do many other SEC foe). As for the "now he's motivated and has something to prove response".. Um, ok, this time is different.

How do you say he didn't succeed at TX? He got the UF job b/c of it. Good news is, in a few years, we'll both see how this worked out.

 

[slufstuff]

Our AD missed on Herman and Smart. It is no secret that Muschamp was not the first choice. But I like the energy he has brought, and he is putting together a strong staff. If he stays out of Roper's way (the new OC) then I think USC will show a lot of improvement next year.

USC will give Muschamp plenty of time to put his program in place. I am not convinced UGa will be nearly as patient with Smart. I will put it this way. If Muschamp goes 6-6 next year, our fans will generally be happy because of the improvement shown. If Smart goes 7-5, a lot of UGa fans will be wanting to run him off.

 

[Dawgman94]

Our AD missed on Herman and Smart. It is no secret that Muschamp was not the first choice. But I like the energy he has brought, and he is putting together a strong staff. If he stays out of Roper's way (the new OC) then I think USC will show a lot of improvement next year.

USC will give Muschamp plenty of time to put his program in place. I am not convinced UGa will be nearly as patient with Smart. I will put it this way. If Muschamp goes 6-6 next year, our fans will generally be happy because of the improvement shown. If Smart goes 7-5, a lot of UGa fans will be wanting to run him off.

We ain't going 7-5 unlike mr muschamp our does not open his mouth.

 

[WillieG]

Our AD missed on Herman and Smart. It is no secret that Muschamp was not the first choice. But I like the energy he has brought, and he is putting together a strong staff. If he stays out of Roper's way (the new OC) then I think USC will show a lot of improvement next year.

USC will give Muschamp plenty of time to put his program in place. I am not convinced UGa will be nearly as patient with Smart. I will put it this way. If Muschamp goes 6-6 next year, our fans will generally be happy because of the improvement shown. If Smart goes 7-5, a lot of UGa fans will be wanting to run him off.

You mean in 5 years you will be happy with 6-6 since it will be an improvement while we will be upset with 7-5 because it will be a step back.

 

[Cackdiesel]

You mean in 5 years you will be happy with 6-6 since it will be an improvement while we will be upset with 7-5 because it will be a step back.

SC needs recruiting and he will bring that. Even if he sucks as a coach, he'll leave the next guy with plenty of talent. That's how I see it.

Georgia doesn't need the help with recruiting like we do. Recruiting has to be the number one priority for SC for the next few years and I think he can do that.

All of that said, I think Georgia would have been better off keeping Richt and allowing Smart a test run at SC. You could've stolen him from us at anytime if he showed that he was up to the job.

 

[WillieG]

All of that said, I think Georgia would have been better off keeping Richt and allowing Smart a test run at SC. You could've stolen him from us at anytime if he showed that he was up to the job.

I hear you but the main assumption is he would have taken the SC job. He turned down some other programs in the past and if he truly wanted a stepping stone to UGA that might not have been the job he would have chosen.

 

[Dawgman94]

SC needs recruiting and he will bring that. Even if he sucks as a coach, he'll leave the next guy with plenty of talent. That's how I see it.

Georgia doesn't need the help with recruiting like we do. Recruiting has to be the number one priority for SC for the next few years and I think he can do that.

All of that said, I think Georgia would have been better off keeping Richt and allowing Smart a test run at SC. You could've stolen him from us at anytime if he showed that he was up to the job.

Na you scared that Kirby going to run over the sec all aiboard the Kirby train

 

[Cackdiesel]

I hear you but the main assumption is he would have taken the SC job. He turned down some other programs in the past and if he truly wanted a stepping stone to UGA that might not have been the job he would have chosen.

That's fair. Either way, I don't think he would've stayed more than a couple of years with us. I'd rather have Muschamp than him for that reason. Truthfully though, I would have rather gotten an offensive guy. I don't really expect big things out of Muschamp, but like I said, I do expect that he'll sign good talent. And as bad as we are right now, I'm okay with that. I don't think anyone could win with the players we have right now.

I just think Smart was always going to Georgia. It was just a matter of when that would happen, so I don't mind that we couldn't get him.

 

[Dawgman94]

That's fair. Either way, I don't think he would've stayed more than a couple of years with us. I'd rather have Muschamp than him for that reason. Truthfully though, I would have rather gotten an offensive guy. I don't really expect big things out of Muschamp, but like I said, I do expect that he'll sign good talent. And as bad as we are right now, I'm okay with that. I don't think anyone could win with the players we have right now.

I just think Smart was always going to Georgia. It was just a matter of when that would happen, so I don't mind that we couldn't get him.

Na you mad

 

[Cackdiesel]

Na you mad

word

 

[Dawgman94]

word

Angry ticked Jellus self lothing

 

[Cackdiesel]

Angry ticked Jellus self lothing

I like you

 

[Toneski M]

I meant this in all seriousness - not a jab - asking why are some (because clearly its not all SC fans) are excited about Muschamp other than the fact of "he's our coach now and I'll support". he didn't succeed at Tx, was fired from UF for poor performance, and hired at Auburn and opponents ran all over that defense.. But, you'll say look at what UF did with his players. They beat a bad UGA team and barely beat Vandy, Fl Atlantic, and Tenn.. yes, a win is win, but if you boast about his players at UF, then, the other side of the coin is that it took someone else to pull out the talent. I can hear the excuse now, too, about Auburn and those NOT being his players...Seems like an excuse around every corner. Either he has some scandalous pics of someone to get these jobs or people think they're getting someone special just because he throws tirades on the sidelines or like the nickname, "Boom".. He looked the fool in the Alabama game and cost AU a field goal which was a turning point. So, SC.. what say you? I would be concerned as a Gamecock.. but, then, again, I like the hire as a UGA fan (as do many other SEC foe). As for the "now he's motivated and has something to prove response".. Um, ok, this time is different.

Questioning the Muschamp hire is reasonable, but your comments are either uneducated or simply trolling. How did he not succeed at Texas.....what is your basis for this comment?

The UF years....he did not fair well with his OC's and had several. Added to the OC issue, his first year he had to boot a bunch of Meyer's bad apples. His second year he won a ton of games. His 3rd year was apparently decimated by injuries, almost record setting numbers of injuries.

Muschamp's 4th and final year he lost 5 games but 3 games were @Bama, LSU and @FSU (eventual NC). His two other losses were to Mizzou who won the East then a late season OT loss to SC which was the nail in the coffin.

Everyone points at how much more successful UF was this year without Muschamp.......but this year's UF team lost to LSU and FSU, then lost to Bama in the SECCG.....the same teams Muschamp lost to in 2014. However, this year's UF team got to play a bad Mizzou team and a horrible SC team and picked up those two wins the 2014 UF team didn't. It is not a stretch to conclude that had Muschamp stayed at UF this year he could have also beaten a bad Mizzou and horrible SC and won the East this year.

No reasonable SC fan I've heard from or read on a message board has delusions that SC is a more attractive program than Southern Cal or Georgia, as those jobs were other major jobs open this year. In spite of this though, Herman was likely headed to SC until Houston doubled his salary and promised an indoor practice facility......since SC wasn't going to pay Herman more than Spurrier was making Herman would've have been leaving Houston for only an additional $500K or so, and given the loyalty to a school who gave him his first shot and promises to committed recruits, it's no wonder Herman stayed. Then Smart was the next name on Tanner's list but you guys made the move to dump a likely HOF college coach and hire a guy with no head coach experience. Hiring Smart made sense in SC's situation but for Smart to be your first choice and to fire Richt for Smart (an unproven HC) is a real head scratcher for those who aren't Dawg fans. When I heard that Richt had been fired I was confident y'all had a deal in place for Chip Kelly. Georgia hiring Smart is the identical move UF made 5 years ago when it hired Muschamp.....y'all really don't know what you're getting as a HC.

So after Herman and Smart were off the table, Muschamp makes a ton of sense for SC as so many other names mentioned brought lots of unknowns and many had no ties to the SEC or southeast and those ties are almost a must for acquiring assistants and succeeding with recruits. For SC recruiting, Muschamp has already made more in person visits with recruits than Spurrier did since last signing day and he's brought along assistants with major recruiting success in the southeast.

We'll all have to wait to see about wins, but for SC fans we can look at the scenario I mentioned above.....we just hired a coach who would've won the East this year.

 

[67gamecock]

Gee, you Jawja folks eat your own young 'uns.

Look, Muschamp will be just fine. Sure, we were after Kirby - he was the best recruiter in the country . . . for Alabama, and he wanted to come to Carolina until he got the call to come to Athens - home, Mama, sacred soil, and all that. Oh, and he coaches a mean ass defense - something we need badly in Columbia, but it is what it is. KS is in Athens and Boom is in Columbia and Floriday can go to hell!

Wait'll next year!!!

 

[superflyby]

Muschamp is a proven DC...a proven recruiter...he was forced to hire Weiss and Peace....and by the time Roper got there it was a muddy mess. Roper was also working with backup QB's. I would say...lessons learned on Florida's payroll.....and a hell of a lot to prove, makes for a dangerous coach when you have Muschamp's ability. I will take Muschamp...you guys can have Smart. He's learning on your payroll.....lol....

 

[Palmetto Volunteer]

Dabo is cheesy as can be, but he is King down here. This will prevent Carl Jr's from being a great program.

 

[Dawgman94]

Muschamp is a proven DC...a proven recruiter...he was forced to hire Weiss and Peace....and by the time Roper got there it was a muddy mess. Roper was also working with backup QB's. I would say...lessons learned on Florida's payroll.....and a hell of a lot to prove, makes for a dangerous coach when you have Muschamp's ability. I will take Muschamp...you guys can have Smart. He's learning on your payroll.....lol....

Atleast we can aford our first choice

 

[superflyby]

Atleast we can aford our first choice

We offered more money to Herman. He just decided he liked Houston. There is nothing wrong with that. I respect his decision. He has a family that just settled in there and the offer from them was great. I am more than happy how it turned out. I love a hungry coach with something to prove.....

 

[Dawgman94]

We offered more money to Herman. He just decided he liked Houston. There is nothing wrong with that. I respect his decision. He has a family that just settled in there and the offer from them was great. I am more than happy how it turned out. I love a hungry coach with something to prove.....

Because sc would be a lateral move

 

[Dawgman94]

I'm

Dabo is cheesy as can be, but he is King down here. This will prevent Carl Jr's from being a great program.

phil was to fat to recruit

 

[superflyby]

Because sc would be a lateral move

That's all you got...we beat you guys under Spurrier with classes rated way lower. You should have won every one based on talent. If you an an SEC guy and not just some guy popping off at the mouth, you know that's not true.....but you got nothing else except an idiotic rant about something you know nothing about if you believe that....any SEC school is a step up...but I guess you aren't quite sharp enough to figure that out....

 

[dieharddawg62]

Our AD missed on Herman and Smart. It is no secret that Muschamp was not the first choice. But I like the energy he has brought, and he is putting together a strong staff. If he stays out of Roper's way (the new OC) then I think USC will show a lot of improvement next year.

USC will give Muschamp plenty of time to put his program in place. I am not convinced UGa will be nearly as patient with Smart. I will put it this way. If Muschamp goes 6-6 next year, our fans will generally be happy because of the improvement shown. If Smart goes 7-5, a lot of UGa fans will be wanting to run him off.

Not me, I'm not expecting us to be good. I'll give him 5 years.

 

[CockswilCrow]

SC needs recruiting and he will bring that. Even if he sucks as a coach, he'll leave the next guy with plenty of talent. That's how I see it.

Georgia doesn't need the help with recruiting like we do. Recruiting has to be the number one priority for SC for the next few years and I think he can do that.

All of that said, I think Georgia would have been better off keeping Richt and allowing Smart a test run at SC. You could've stolen him from us at anytime if he showed that he was up to the job.

Now thats what a smart AD would do. No doubt Smart would have jumped from my Gamecocks to Ga if he had proved himself at Carolina. I am happy with the BOOM hire, no doubt he has more ambition than SOS had in his last two years. Go BOOM and Gamecocks.

 

[DawginSC]

The UF years....he did not fair well with his OC's and had several. Added to the OC issue, his first year he had to boot a bunch of Meyer's bad apples. His second year he won a ton of games. His 3rd year was apparently decimated by injuries, almost record setting numbers of injuries.

Muschamp's 4th and final year he lost 5 games but 3 games were @Bama, LSU and @FSU (eventual NC). His two other losses were to Mizzou who won the East then a late season OT loss to SC which was the nail in the coffin.

Everyone points at how much more successful UF was this year without Muschamp.......but this year's UF team lost to LSU and FSU, then lost to Bama in the SECCG.....the same teams Muschamp lost to in 2014. However, this year's UF team got to play a bad Mizzou team and a horrible SC team and picked up those two wins the 2014 UF team didn't. It is not a stretch to conclude that had Muschamp stayed at UF this year he could have also beaten a bad Mizzou and horrible SC and won the East this year.

I'll just point out that I feel like this is a reason to doubt Jim McElwain as a coach, not a reason to think Muschamp is a good coach.

Your data supports the idea that the two didn't perform all that differently. That doesn't mean Muschamp did a good job. He did not.

The smartest SC response was the guy who said it was about recruiting and that when/if Muschamp fails at the coaching side, SC will be in a better place because the NEXT coach will have a lot of talent. That's a good way to view it I think.