Yeah but he’s going to pay for it with a $79 BILLION (with a B) investment in the IRS. Sounds like every citizen will have a full staff assigned to “help” review your returns.
Remember when folks on here said there was NO evidence
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I remember an IRS ruling from a few years ago that dictated any citizen who paid $600 or more during the year for services should 1099 the recipient. I think many, if not most, small business people have ignored it. My guess is the new push for $600 bank transaction reporting is to nab both the payer and the payee. They hope to disallow the deduction by the payer and collect taxes, penalties, and interest from the payee. It’s an us versus them mentality. 1099s are their primary weapon.
No, we can multi-task.
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Don’t understand why so many POC are so anxious to subject themselves to systemic racism. Why come here ?
Initial cases aren't normally going to be fraud cases, regardless of disposition. They are going to be procedure, voting law, or access to election material (even though access by citizens is a constitutional right). It normally takes years for fraud cases to work through. This can be true even in simple cases involving a single voter.
The first round cases about access to materials is where your fraud/criminal cases can be born. You have to see and find the evidence before you can have criminal cases. Sometimes, like we saw in Fulton County, election committees can declare sovereign immunity to prosecution.
Also seen in Fulton County, as well as numerous localities around the country, lawyers can file endless motions, continuances and other delays to avoid producing election materials. In Maricopa County, we hosted a staff of 73 from Perkins Coie dedicated to obstructing the state senate from exercising their constitutional duties. We had to get through 4 court decisions just to establish that it was okay to follow the US Constitution and state law.
When you quote "60 cases" those aren't all fraud cases, either. A lot of them are procedural or requests to enforce laws. Some are dropped because they are settled out of court or voluntarily withdrawn (12). Some are dismissed for standing, jurisdiction or timing (too early, too late) (39).
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pretty sure if it comes out that your right, that would be far worse for the foundation of this country. Maybe that's what some of you want.
it's not gonna happen because it's just not true.
have you ever stopped and thought about just what it would take to pull something like that off? just how many REP would have to go along with it? how many judges (many REP appointed) would have to go against their oath?
of course you haven't. you believe it because that's what trump said happened. he was sowing seeds of doubt months before the election because he knew his followers would believe anything he says.....and he was right.
You obviously do no yet have a firm understanding of what is intended for the country and for you. A small part of it is here in the views of the nominee for Comptroller of the Currency: https://www.wsj.com/articles/comptr...cqWcZTnb5lT1SvyGSV5pSMkCWrxBYEuSkxTNjPvdks0yg
The initial cases weren't about fraud because when given the opportunity, Rudy and team backed away from what they were so aggressively charging in public. It's exactly why NY has suspended Rudy's law license.
"As we have written, Giuliani — without providing evidence — described the lawsuit at the hearing as a part of “nationwide voter fraud” involving “at least 10 other jurisdictions.” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann asked Trump’s lawyer, “So you are alleging fraud?” Giuliani responded, “Yes, your honor.”
But later Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, admitted to Brann that the amended complaint did not allege fraud at all.
“Respondent repeatedly represented to the court that his client, the plaintiff, was pursuing a fraud claim, when indisputably it was not,” the New York court wrote, referring to Giuliani as the respondent in its order. “Respondent’s client had filed an amended complaint before the November 17, 2020 appearance in which the only remaining claim asserted was an equal protection claim, not based on fraud at all.”
In his Nov. 21 order dismissing the case, Brann criticized the Trump campaign for seeking to prevent Pennsylvania from certifying its election results without presenting any evidence to support such a “drastic remedy.”
Rudy Giuliani's Bogus Election Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org
A New York court suspended Rudy Giuliani's license to practice law in that state for making "demonstrably false and misleading statements" about the 2020 presidential election results. We recap some of the bogus claims that we have previously debunked.
www.factcheck.org
So the short answer is, there remains not a single instance of 2020 voter fraud beyond a few examples of people casting one fraudulent vote in the name of a dead relative (mostly for trump) proven in court or anywhere else.
But for the sake of argument, let's speculate that there was voter fraud and it was entirely in the favor of Biden (despite the example below, I guess the suggestion is republicans don't avail themselves of all of the super easy ways to subvert the democratic process). The only meaningful example of voter fraud in a federal election we have to use as a possible template is the 2018 congressional race in NC where a republican operative used bogus ballot harvesting methods to "create" around 1000 phantom republican votes to flip a very close race. The vote was in November 2018 and Leslie Dowless was arrested in February 2019, so a few short months later and not years.
So, to successfully execute a similar scheme, the dems would have to have hundreds of similar people across multiple states, all working with a support staff, to generate and submit tens of thousand of votes per state, and all so flawlessly executed that every instance escapes the intense scrutiny that this election has received, including in Mericopa, where the audit resulted in Biden adding 260 votes.
Has there been fraud in an election that involved 152.7m votes overseen by fifty states and thousands of counties? Possibly, but this has yet to be proven. Is it in any way reasonable to assume that, if there was fraud, the dems are the only ones who have cheated? No. Is it in any way reasonable to suggest that fraud occurred at the scale needed to flip multiple states? No. It's just not a rational position to take.
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Then why are the dims fighting so hard to stop actual audits? Why are you so against them. As I have said before, if you and the dims are sooooo certain nothing is afoul, then you should want audits to show just how big of a liar Trump is. Something does not pass the smell test. One doesn't need to have 20/20 vison to see how hard the dims are fighting a complete and thorough investigation. What are they hiding?The initial cases weren't about fraud because when given the opportunity, Rudy and team backed away from what they were so aggressively charging in public. It's exactly why NY has suspended Rudy's law license.
"As we have written, Giuliani — without providing evidence — described the lawsuit at the hearing as a part of “nationwide voter fraud” involving “at least 10 other jurisdictions.” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann asked Trump’s lawyer, “So you are alleging fraud?” Giuliani responded, “Yes, your honor.”
But later Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, admitted to Brann that the amended complaint did not allege fraud at all.
“Respondent repeatedly represented to the court that his client, the plaintiff, was pursuing a fraud claim, when indisputably it was not,” the New York court wrote, referring to Giuliani as the respondent in its order. “Respondent’s client had filed an amended complaint before the November 17, 2020 appearance in which the only remaining claim asserted was an equal protection claim, not based on fraud at all.”
In his Nov. 21 order dismissing the case, Brann criticized the Trump campaign for seeking to prevent Pennsylvania from certifying its election results without presenting any evidence to support such a “drastic remedy.”
Rudy Giuliani's Bogus Election Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org
A New York court suspended Rudy Giuliani's license to practice law in that state for making "demonstrably false and misleading statements" about the 2020 presidential election results. We recap some of the bogus claims that we have previously debunked.
So the short answer is, there remains not a single instance beyond 2020 voter fraud beyond a few examples of people casting one fraudulent vote in the name of a dead relative (mostly for trump) proven in court or anywhere else.
But for the sake of argument, let's speculate that there was voter fraud and it was entirely in the favor of Biden (despite the example below, I guess the suggestion is republicans don't avail themselves of all of the super easy ways to subvert the democratic process). The only meaningful example of voter fraud in a federal election we have to use as a possible template is the 2018 congressional race in NC where a republican operative used bogus ballot harvesting methods to "create" around 1000 phantom republican votes to flip a very close race. The vote was in November 2018 and Leslie Dowless was arrested in February 2019, so a few short months later and not years.
So, to successfully execute a similar scheme, the dems would have to have hundreds of similar people across multiple states, all working with a support staff, to generate and submit tens of thousand of votes per state, and all so flawlessly executed that every instance escapes the intense scrutiny that this election has received, including in Mericopa, where the audit resulted in Biden adding 260 votes.
Has there been fraud in an election that involved 152.7m votes overseen by fifty states and thousands of counties? Possibly, but this has yet to be proven. Is it in any way reasonable to assume that, if there was fraud, the dems are the only ones who have cheated? No. Is it in any way reasonable to suggest that fraud occurred at the scale needed to flip multiple states? No. It's just not a rational position to take.
I never said only Dems have ever cheated. In fact, I've tried over and over to remind people that this is a bipartisan issue. I've posted over and over information from Democrats complaining about election processes right up until last November.The initial cases weren't about fraud because when given the opportunity, Rudy and team backed away from what they were so aggressively charging in public. It's exactly why NY has suspended Rudy's law license.
"As we have written, Giuliani — without providing evidence — described the lawsuit at the hearing as a part of “nationwide voter fraud” involving “at least 10 other jurisdictions.” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann asked Trump’s lawyer, “So you are alleging fraud?” Giuliani responded, “Yes, your honor.”
But later Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, admitted to Brann that the amended complaint did not allege fraud at all.
“Respondent repeatedly represented to the court that his client, the plaintiff, was pursuing a fraud claim, when indisputably it was not,” the New York court wrote, referring to Giuliani as the respondent in its order. “Respondent’s client had filed an amended complaint before the November 17, 2020 appearance in which the only remaining claim asserted was an equal protection claim, not based on fraud at all.”
In his Nov. 21 order dismissing the case, Brann criticized the Trump campaign for seeking to prevent Pennsylvania from certifying its election results without presenting any evidence to support such a “drastic remedy.”
Rudy Giuliani's Bogus Election Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org
A New York court suspended Rudy Giuliani's license to practice law in that state for making "demonstrably false and misleading statements" about the 2020 presidential election results. We recap some of the bogus claims that we have previously debunked.
So the short answer is, there remains not a single instance of 2020 voter fraud beyond a few examples of people casting one fraudulent vote in the name of a dead relative (mostly for trump) proven in court or anywhere else.
But for the sake of argument, let's speculate that there was voter fraud and it was entirely in the favor of Biden (despite the example below, I guess the suggestion is republicans don't avail themselves of all of the super easy ways to subvert the democratic process). The only meaningful example of voter fraud in a federal election we have to use as a possible template is the 2018 congressional race in NC where a republican operative used bogus ballot harvesting methods to "create" around 1000 phantom republican votes to flip a very close race. The vote was in November 2018 and Leslie Dowless was arrested in February 2019, so a few short months later and not years.
So, to successfully execute a similar scheme, the dems would have to have hundreds of similar people across multiple states, all working with a support staff, to generate and submit tens of thousand of votes per state, and all so flawlessly executed that every instance escapes the intense scrutiny that this election has received, including in Mericopa, where the audit resulted in Biden adding 260 votes.
Has there been fraud in an election that involved 152.7m votes overseen by fifty states and thousands of counties? Possibly, but this has yet to be proven. Is it in any way reasonable to assume that, if there was fraud, the dems are the only ones who have cheated? No. Is it in any way reasonable to suggest that fraud occurred at the scale needed to flip multiple states? No. It's just not a rational position to take.
Remember, the case I know the most about isn't R's vs. D's. The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is 4 Republicans (1 just resigned, so 3) and 1 Democrat. The county recorder ran as Republican to get a corrupt person out of office. Turns out the new guy isn't much different.
Leslie Dowless ain't the problem. She was pursued and prosecuted by election officials and the government. What we are dealing with here is multiple cases where the people are going after election officials who either allowed bad things to happen, or perpetrated them.
Now you have to fight in court just to get access to potential evidence. We had to do that here for 6 months in a case where the law and the constitution are clear that the state legislature can look at any election materials they choose.
In Maricopa County, we know that county government officials lied to us repeatedly about the November election. We know that state laws were broken and procedures required by law were not followed.
For example, two firms that the county crowed about as being professional and recognized by the federal EAC, certified election machines for use in the election. They were each called in two conduct post-election examinations of the Dominion systems used in the election. Both gave a clean bill of health for the county's equipment after the election. But we know that there were uncertifiable machines used, including one bulk tabulator with a dual boot system installed (including 2 boot drives), and unapproved software.
There are more ballots in question than the margin of victory in the state of Arizona. In Georgia, you couldn't legally certify an election in that situation. Wish we had that here. The conclusions and supporting material have been handed over to the state Attorney General for investigation and prosecution.
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