Reports out of Houston County are UGA pulled
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If you mean Kirby pulled the offer, that would make us liars.
I think it's probably what the kid said, he wasn't made to feel welcome by the new staff.
I think it's probably what the kid said, he wasn't made to feel welcome by the new staff.
Supposedly we pulled, then again, CMR has pulled offers before. Heck, we've had hoops coaches (FACT that I have first hand knowledge of) who had their 1 year kept to 1 year scholarship. That i don't like, but we did it to a player after 95-96.
Keep in mind, no idea the reason. Might not fit, then again might be looking at him as a "no way he qualifies to get in" type of guy.
Sure as hell doesn't make any sense for a WR to decommit after learning the Gatorade National POY is coming to play QB...
Richt pulled 1 offer from an injured player in 2002, I don't recall another except for misbehavior. Of course there are always more offers out than we can take, so sometimes there is no room by the time a player makes up his mind, that is different, it really can't be helped.
The guy explained he felt Kirby doesn't want him. All KS needs to do is call and assure him otherwise, it'll be interesting to see if he does.
''fit'' shouldn't come into it since our AD has promised We'll honor Our commitments.
That to me was a stupid statement by AD. Until the line that is dotted is signed (Glengarry) then I wouldn't honor them unless the current coach wants them. We, along with everyone, gets burned so late in the process at times. Could have been "we'll honor it" but no other love.
I'm in 100% agreement with McGarity and he should hold Kirby to it.
I was afraid KS would want to push rules and run off players like Bama does, We're not Bama and We shouldn't lower Our standards for Kirby or anybody else.
If people want that type of program, go support them.
We are trying to join the elite, if you want a CMR like program, follow him. We run off plenty of players with certain rules, but we've also had plenty of kids transfer over the years. Rather get them out now than later...its more fair to them than once they have to sit out a year. My guess is he isn't feeling the love as much as he wants...and as a 3 star, not sure he should expect a ton of love. One full week on the job until a complete dead period (don't know if kid signed FA papers or not,) and their were much bigger priorities.
If Kirby don't like players other staff recruited ...why should he be forced to take them ?? So he can process them next yr
There are elite programs that are far less sleazy than Saban's Bama program.
If it's proven Kirby is pulling scholarships from committed players, some of Us will let McGarity and others know Our thinking.
I don't think he pulled it by the way, but as I posted the other night, he doesn't really have to, this Kid is probably right in his thinking.
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but again i Ask....why should he have to honor kids old staff offered ...if he knows he dont want them ....why should he have to run them off later? ...and about sleezy bama ...it really sucks to be them as They get ready for another natty
I'm afraid you have your facts wrong. The 95-96 basketball team was all seniors with the exception of 5 players and all 5 of those players were back on the 96-97 team. Those 5 were Larry Brown, Michael Chadwick, Ray Harrison, Jon Nordin, and G.G. Smith.
The commitment is by the school, it's a UGA scholarship, We made a promise to the Kids and their families, it's a big deal. I'm 100% in agreement with The AD on this one.
Offers are a different thing. If the player hasn't committed, I'm ok with not pursuing players who don't fit what Kirby is looking for.
It doesn't suck to be Bama, it probably doesn't suck to be an inside trader or a drug dealer either, unless You care about Your character and what You take and leave this World.
We can compete without selling Our souls. We might not win 4 or 5 titles like Saban, but 1 or 2 will be fine by Me.
I do not, you forgot RS Frosh Kevin Bishop, nice try, i worked for them. There was also RS Soph Finizee Ransom.
Both
Both Redshirted...Kevin because he wasn't ready and Fin because he was a transfer.
Both Redshirted...Kevin because he wasn't ready and Fin because he was a transfer.
And it was Kevin Bishop who was told his services were no longer needed...he went back to England and played pro ball...for how long, no idea. Only thing he really had going from him was 7'
I'm all for Kirby not being forced to take players he doesn't want. It's in every ones best interest in the long run. With our history the last 7 years, radical change is a good thing.
It's silly to think We have to abandon everything that's good about what We've done. It's not some pact where We give in to the dark side and all Our desires will be fulfilled. It's maybe a couple of scholarships, don't make it out to be a choice between winning and losing.
It's not Kirby's decision to make anyway, he is an employee of The University.
His name is spelled Phenizee, not Finizee, and he played his freshman season at Winston-Salem State on their 94-95 team. He sat out the 95-96 season and played on our 96-97 and 97-98 teams as a junior and senior to finish out his college career.
As for Kevin Bishop, I don't remember him being on that 95-96 team. I remember him joining the program at some point after that. I would give you the benefit of the doubt but after you chucked "Finizee" into the mix, there's no way I'm doing that.
Nice try.
I miss spelled Phin's name, since we only called him that for the entire time he was there. Bishop came in with Tubby's first class. 7' from England, gone after a year. I'm pretty sure Phin would forgive the name issue since I am the one who took him to see Doc Elliot when he had food poisoning and didn't have a car. Odd, you want to doubt that when I have a picture, the team picture taken in the pre-season with Kevin Bishop standing there. Pretty sure, GG, Ray, Chadwick, Jon, Los, Rod (what team called Shandon) T-bell, Steve (went to million man march and tubby ran him near to death for missing practice, that was the trade off,) Pertha, Katu, and LB would back me on this...Although Katu basically disappeared the moment Syracuse eliminated us. Made some sort of deal with a manager I've known for 20 years for all his UGA stuff and went back to Detroit..I guess. In the end, Kevin Bishop, #33, front and center above.
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I miss spelled Phin's name, since we only called him that for the entire time he was there. Bishop came in with Tubby's first class. 7' from England, gone after a year. I'm pretty sure Phin would forgive the name issue since I am the one who took him to see Doc Elliot when he had food poisoning and didn't have a car. Odd, you want to doubt that when I have a picture, the team picture taken in the pre-season with Kevin Bishop standing there. Pretty sure, GG, Ray, Chadwick, Jon, Los, Rod (what team called Shandon) T-bell, Steve (went to million man march and tubby ran him near to death for missing practice, that was the trade off,) Pertha, Katu, and LB would back me on this...Although Katu basically disappeared the moment Syracuse eliminated us. Made some sort of deal with a manager I've known for 20 years for all his UGA stuff and went back to Detroit..I guess. In the end, Kevin Bishop, #33, front and center above.
Do you even remember the point you were originally trying to make? That we pulled scholarships for Ransom and Bishop following the 95-96 season?
I guess we pulled Ransom's scholarship and he continued playing for us anyway for another 2 years. Good lord man.
Go back and read. I never said we pulled Ransoms, only bishop...hence this post yesterday:
I only mentioned Phin, misspelled and all, because he was on the team as a RS (tore it up in practice that year far more than he ever did on court in games) that you hadn't mentioned along with Kevin.
I see now what you were trying to say. I guess I had trouble following b/c it took you 3 separate posts to get your point across.
True, should have just edited it. In the end, i felt bad for Kevin...long way to go only to be never used. Now, a big part was he probably shouldn't have been recruited...he was just tall and skinny, but Tubby seemed to be infatuated with taller lanky kids. Deyoung who was pretty decent and by far the least lean of the 3, dryden not so much until Harrick got him and only then his last year really. Sadly, the best 2 rebounders (not most rebounds as i don't know without looking, but most adept at it) were Baker and LB.
Phin had all the raw ability of Derrick Dukes, but while Dukes was a streak shooter, Phin never really became what he was in practice...that said, the dunk contests between Dukes and Phin in 96-97 practices were fun to watch.
Interesting stuff. That 2nd Tubby team had a lot of promise but just fizzled out in the tournament...and then he left for Kentucky and it was over.
Sorry for giving you a hard time. You obviously know your stuff about those basketball teams. Definitely more than me. I should keep my trap shut more often.
Sorry for giving you a hard time. You obviously know your stuff about those basketball teams. Definitely more than me. I should keep my trap shut more often.
They were a bit over-rated, and it kills me to say that about those guys, but the SEC outside of UK and SC were very down. We had a team of freshman and sophmores, with our only upper classmen all being Juco transfers....Dukes was good, but streaky, Lorenzo Hall was streaky, just in a different way. DeYoung got pushed around a bit, but was pretty good...Devin Baker was probably the best JUCO cut out for SEC and bigger conference play...he was a beast...and of course we had LB after football (he won us the SEC tourney game against Arky.) The bigger issue is we were a more finesse team IMO, not as much beef in the post that we had with TBell and Los. Our entire post 96-97 was built more like Shandon, which was fine for him at 3, but not so much for guys at 4 and 5.
Look at the other schools that have offered the guy. Makes you wonder who is recruiting receives.
we haven't won one in 35 yrs...how is "the Georgia way" been working for us?
It's silly to think We have to throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak.
If We recruit and coach a bit better We can win a title or 2. It's typically knee jerk to want to immolate everything about the current winningest program.
First off, Richt has failed to honor scholarship offers and commits plenty of times. Usually, it never officially gets out: the coaching staff informs the kids privately to look elsewhere, and the kid "decommits" in a face-saving move for both. But one incident where it DID get out: Devin Burns ... remember him?
Second, the idea that "everyone is unethical but Richt" is just the fermented sour grape juice that UGA fans have been using to console themselves over all the talent that has passed through UGA and the state without so much as a berth in the title game, or an SEC title in 10 years. First off, you can pit Saban's roster management techniques against Richt's many years of player discipline problems and call it a wash. Second, lots of guys have won more than Richt without either Saban's envelope pushing or having so many kids on the police blotter, and they include the other 3 guys in the playoff this year (Dantonio, Swinney, Stoops).
As this is a change of coaching staffs, I am fine with UGA letting a kid know in early December that he would have real difficulty in getting his scholarship renewed after the 2016 season if he wasn't on 2 deep or at least a major contributor on special teams by then. If a kid, particularly an in-state kid who can convert from scholarship to walk-on with a generous financial aid package at a public university - is confident in his ability or is merely absolutely committed to UGA for either its athletics or academic programs or both, he should be fine with those terms, especially if he would have been hard-pressed to gain admittance to UGA or a similar institution on his academic record alone. There are certainly far worse things than playing big time college football for a year and then concentrating on your academics until you wind up with a degree from a major university.
It is the established coaching staffs who pull offers from kids that have been committed for months - as well as any staff who waits until January (and sometimes as late as February, mere days before signing day) - that I cannot stand. I also dislike the selfish fans who try to make an equivalence between kids who decommit and kids who get their offers pulled. In the former case, universities sign kids at the same position in next year's class (and often in the very same class). In the latter case, kids often find that the other schools are full and wind up in regrettable situations. Case in point: the high school player on the year in South Carolina last season. Petrino convinced the kid to sign early and then dumped him less than a week before signing day (without even telling him that his offer wasn't going to be honored when the kid took an official visit in mid-January, even though Petrino knew by then that he wasn't going to take the kid, but held off notifying him in hopes that the kid would go elsewhere on his own, sparing him the embarrassment). So, a kid who could have redshirted at Clemson wound up having to choose Wake Forest over Georgia Southern because they were the only ones who had room for an 185 lb. RB who mostly ran between the tackles (and would have needed a year or two to bulk up) that late in the process.
Incidentally, Burns' humiliation by UGA's bumbling was only the beginning: he wound up having a horrible experience as an NCAA football player, and was far from the only one. The many people who despise football recruits, regarding them to be arrogant prima donnas in need of a comeuppance (except those who sign with UGA of course, those are all GREAT KIDS!) could use being more mindful of that. I still remember a few years back on this board (when I was a lurker, not a member) some guy on this board wished that Marcus Lattimore would suffer a career ending injury. Since that guy got his wish, I wonder if he is happy now ...
Second, the idea that "everyone is unethical but Richt" is just the fermented sour grape juice that UGA fans have been using to console themselves over all the talent that has passed through UGA and the state without so much as a berth in the title game, or an SEC title in 10 years. First off, you can pit Saban's roster management techniques against Richt's many years of player discipline problems and call it a wash. Second, lots of guys have won more than Richt without either Saban's envelope pushing or having so many kids on the police blotter, and they include the other 3 guys in the playoff this year (Dantonio, Swinney, Stoops).
As this is a change of coaching staffs, I am fine with UGA letting a kid know in early December that he would have real difficulty in getting his scholarship renewed after the 2016 season if he wasn't on 2 deep or at least a major contributor on special teams by then. If a kid, particularly an in-state kid who can convert from scholarship to walk-on with a generous financial aid package at a public university - is confident in his ability or is merely absolutely committed to UGA for either its athletics or academic programs or both, he should be fine with those terms, especially if he would have been hard-pressed to gain admittance to UGA or a similar institution on his academic record alone. There are certainly far worse things than playing big time college football for a year and then concentrating on your academics until you wind up with a degree from a major university.
It is the established coaching staffs who pull offers from kids that have been committed for months - as well as any staff who waits until January (and sometimes as late as February, mere days before signing day) - that I cannot stand. I also dislike the selfish fans who try to make an equivalence between kids who decommit and kids who get their offers pulled. In the former case, universities sign kids at the same position in next year's class (and often in the very same class). In the latter case, kids often find that the other schools are full and wind up in regrettable situations. Case in point: the high school player on the year in South Carolina last season. Petrino convinced the kid to sign early and then dumped him less than a week before signing day (without even telling him that his offer wasn't going to be honored when the kid took an official visit in mid-January, even though Petrino knew by then that he wasn't going to take the kid, but held off notifying him in hopes that the kid would go elsewhere on his own, sparing him the embarrassment). So, a kid who could have redshirted at Clemson wound up having to choose Wake Forest over Georgia Southern because they were the only ones who had room for an 185 lb. RB who mostly ran between the tackles (and would have needed a year or two to bulk up) that late in the process.
Incidentally, Burns' humiliation by UGA's bumbling was only the beginning: he wound up having a horrible experience as an NCAA football player, and was far from the only one. The many people who despise football recruits, regarding them to be arrogant prima donnas in need of a comeuppance (except those who sign with UGA of course, those are all GREAT KIDS!) could use being more mindful of that. I still remember a few years back on this board (when I was a lurker, not a member) some guy on this board wished that Marcus Lattimore would suffer a career ending injury. Since that guy got his wish, I wonder if he is happy now ...
It happens, my favorite of all time was the kid that sent in a letter of intent to a school that never offered him anything or had contact with him at all.
I think it's 75 percent of the time on the kid, behavioural, academic, or too slow to accept.
Like others have said, letting them no as early as possible is important.
I think it's 75 percent of the time on the kid, behavioural, academic, or too slow to accept.
Like others have said, letting them no as early as possible is important.
Oh he pulled
Oh he pulled some more. Remember the OL couple years ago and then another a year or so before that. Kid can't play or get in then go ahead and level with him while he has time to do something else Like the QB Burns.
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