Should President Tramp be impeached?

[shonuff253]

[QUOTE="atlanta cock#, post: 4641852, member: 23244"That seems to be the point you lefties fail to grasp. Your visceral hatred of Trump has clouded your judgment, and Trump plays you like a fiddle.[/QUOTE]

"It was not an abuse, but even if it were it’s not an impeachable offense."

Alexander Hamilton, a famed American statesman, wrote in1788 that impeachment proceedings were for “those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Seems like Alexander Hamilton disagrees with you.

 

[atlanta cock#]

[QUOTE="atlanta cock#, post: 4641852, member: 23244"That seems to be the point you lefties fail to grasp. Your visceral hatred of Trump has clouded your judgment, and Trump plays you like a fiddle.

"It was not an abuse, but even if it were it’s not an impeachable offense."

Alexander Hamilton, a famed American statesman, wrote in1788 that impeachment proceedings were for “those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Seems like Alexander Hamilton disagrees with you.

Apparently, Alan Dershowitz, a famed liberal, disagrees with Hamilton too.

 

[shonuff253]

Apparently, Alan Dershowitz, a famed liberal, disagrees with Hamilton too.

Hmmmmmmmm, let's see Alexander Hamilton: Founding Father and author the Federalist papers (bedrock for the ratification of the U.S. Constitution) or Alan Dershowitz: someone born more than two hundred years after the Constitution was signed. Think Hamilton Trumps Alan don't you?

 

[atlanta cock#]

Hmmmmmmmm, let's see Alexander Hamilton: Founding Father and author the Federalist papers (bedrock for the ratification of the U.S. Constitution) or Alan Dershowitz: someone born more than two hundred years after the Constitution was signed. Think Hamilton Trumps Alan don't you?

Do you personally know Hamilton? Do you know he would have determined Trump committed an impeachable offense? I’m thinking he would oppose sending millions to a corrupt country. I’m also thinking he would oppose a VP’s son making millions off of the VP’s office. I’m damn sure he’d oppose a former VP lying about it.

You never responded to my point that if Biden were not running, this would be a non-issue. So, anyone who commits a crime can escape prosecution by running for POTUS as a Dem, eh?

Lemme ax this. Who paid for those pens the Hag was gleefully handing out like candy?

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...an-testifies-to-the-power-of-truth?verso=true

Vindman explained that he reported the July 25th phone call “out of a sense of duty,” because it was “improper for the President of the United States to demand a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen and political opponent.”

Lt Col Vindman was on the phone call and reporteded it because he thought immediately that it was an abuse of office

Unfortunately for that Vindman freak, Trump released the call transcript for everyone to see for themselves that Vindman was lying. When asked if there was something left out of the transcript, Vindman had to admit there was not. In fact, there was no improper behavior.

So there it is for all to see. A perfect phone call. Sunlight exposed the false accusation. The bad guys were foiled again.

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

But Trump did not seek help from an ally, he was seeking to exploit and blackmail and Ally into a frivolous and unethical political investigation run by his personal lawyer and not the Department of Justice.

But Trump did not seek help from an ally, he was seeking to exploit and blackmail and Ally into a frivolous and unethical political investigation run by his personal lawyer and not the Department of Justice.

Do you have a shred of evidence for that charge of blackmail, or political investigation? You should have immediately shared it with the DEMs in the House inquiry. They came up with nothing.

 

[deadduckdawg]

Unfortunately for that Vindman freak

Don't stand in the way of freak love.

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

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[GADAWGinIraq]

The Federal Election Commission and Title 52 say otherwise he has committed crimes

Chair Ellen L. Weintraub, Federal Election Commission- 13 June 2019

Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. This is not a novel concept. Electoral intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the beginnings of our nation. Our Founding Fathers sounded the alarm about “foreign Interference, Intrigue, and Influence.” They knew that when foreign governments seek to influence American politics, it is always to advance their own interests, not America’s. Anyone who solicits or accepts foreign assistance risks being on the wrong end of a federal investigation. Any political campaign that receives an offer of a prohibited donation from a foreign source should report that offer to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Title 52-VOTING AND ELECTIONS; Subtitle III-Federal Campaign Finance; CHAPTER 301-Federal Elections; Campaigns Subchapter I-Disclosure of Federal Campaign Funds:

§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election

 

[shonuff253]

Do you personally know Hamilton? Do you know he would have determined Trump committed an impeachable offense? I’m thinking he would oppose sending millions to a corrupt country. I’m also thinking he would oppose a VP’s son making millions off of the VP’s office. I’m damn sure he’d oppose a former VP lying about it.

You never responded to my point that if Biden were not running, this would be a non-issue. So, anyone who commits a crime can escape prosecution by running for POTUS as a Dem, eh?

Lemme ax this. Who paid for those pens the Hag was gleefully handing out like candy?

Alexander Hamilton, a famed American statesman, wrote in 1788 that impeachment proceedings were for “those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Dude did you just ask me if I personally knew a historical figure who died more than 200 years ago..........holy shit that is the dumbest debate retort I've ever heard in my entire life. Oh sorry, yes you're right I don't know Alexander ****ing Hamilton my bad. That totally negates his clearly defined and articulated beliefs that POTUS abuse of power is an impeachable offense; which I must add is what Alan Dershowitz will argue against.

Also I've answered your questions Biden already. If Biden were not running for president, I believe that Trump 100% would not have started pushing the false narrative that Biden went rouge and forced the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor out (which the EU and IMF wanted) for personal gain.

 

[shonuff253]

Do you have a shred of evidence for that charge of blackmail, or political investigation? You should have immediately shared it with the DEMs in the House inquiry. They came up with nothing.

Sorry you must have missed it but the House of Representative just finished Impeachment proceedings in which they presented evidence to show Trump administration withheld congressional approved foreign aide, In violation of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, in exchange for announcement for the investigation into a political rival. An investigation mind you that his own Department of Justice has refused to initiate.

 

[GADAWGinIraq]

Alexander Hamilton, a famed American statesman, wrote in 1788 that impeachment proceedings were for “those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Dude did you just ask me if I personally knew a historical figure who died more than 200 years ago..........holy shit that is the dumbest debate retort I've ever heard in my entire life. Oh sorry, yes you're right I don't know Alexander ****ing Hamilton my bad. That totally negates his clearly defined and articulated beliefs that POTUS abuse of power is an impeachable offense; which I must add is what Alan Dershowitz will argue against.

Also I've answered your questions Biden already. If Biden were not running for president, I believe that Trump 100% would not have started pushing the false narrative that Biden went rouge and forced the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor out (which the EU and IMF wanted) for personal gain.

Your beliefs on what President Trump would have done if Biden weren't running don't matter. What matters is that President Trump has a duty to check out corruption if he feels it's necessary before handing over American dollars. The President never held the aide as a bargaining chip. The Ukrainians never knew of any hold and the Ukrainian President said there was no bribe. The Democrat's selected witnesses in the House partisan impeachment offered no evidence of any wrongdoing. End of story. Another wild goose chase by the Democrats. They been calling for impeachment since Trump was elected... that's not how impeachment works.

 

[shonuff253]

Unfortunately for that Vindman freak, Trump released the call transcript for everyone to see for themselves that Vindman was lying. When asked if there was something left out of the transcript, Vindman had to admit there was not. In fact, there was no improper behavior.

So there it is for all to see. A perfect phone call. Sunlight exposed the false accusation. The bad guys were foiled again.

Wrong again Johnny

https://www.businessinsider.com/whi...key-phrases-trump-call-ukraine-expert-2019-10
Top national security aide said White House transcript left out direct mention of Burisma and other details from Trump call
Vindman reportedly said some of his edits seemed to make it in but others adding a direct mention of Burisma by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and a mention by Trump of recordings of Biden discussing Ukraine corruption did not.

Why this is important is because it shows his phone call was anything but perfect and Trump was only bringing up the broader case of Ukrainian corruption but it was specific to Biden a political rival thus an abuse of power and illegal as define by the United States Election committe.

 

[shonuff253]

Your beliefs on what President Trump would have done if Biden weren't running don't matter. What matters is that President Trump has a duty to check out corruption if he feels it's necessary before handing over American dollars. The President never held the aide as a bargaining chip. The Ukrainians never knew of any hold and the Ukrainian President said there was no bribe. The Democrat's selected witnesses in the House partisan impeachment offered no evidence of any wrongdoing. End of story. Another wild goose chase by the Democrats. They been calling for impeachment since Trump was elected... that's not how impeachment works.

Absolutely he has a duty to snuff out corruption which I fully support, so go through your DoJ to perform those investigation. Why is Trump having his personal lawyer run an off the books investigation into a political rival outside of his own Department of Justice?

 

[GADAWGinIraq]

Absolutely he has a duty to snuff out corruption which I fully support, so go through your DoJ to perform those investigation. Why is Trump having his personal lawyer run an off the books investigation into a political rival outside of his own Department of Justice?

I know this impeachment is a sham. You know it is. We all know it is. It's totally partisan and it's what the founding fathers feared.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hamilton-wouldnt-impeach-trump-11570661260

Signing off... goodnight Dawgs.

 

[shonuff253]

I know this impeachment is a sham. You know it is. We all know it is. It's totally partisan and it's what the founding fathers feared.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hamilton-wouldnt-impeach-trump-11570661260

Signing off... goodnight Dawgs.

Again Alan giving an opinion that his highly controversial. He is saying president can not be impeached for more or less personal short comings like adultry (Bill Clinton) or paying of pornstar for an affair (Trump and Stormy) which I agree with. His argument that you can't impeach a president for abuse of power is completely wrong as Hamilton in plan language said was a reason for impeachment:

"A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust." - Federalist 65

Good night john boy

 

[ZosoDawg]

Isn’t it great how the lefty lunatics use the constitution when they think it will help them, but the rest of the time they just wipe their azz with it?

 

[washdog]

[QUOTE="atlanta cock#, post: 4641852, member: 23244"That seems to be the point you lefties fail to grasp. Your visceral hatred of Trump has clouded your judgment, and Trump plays you like a fiddle.

"It was not an abuse, but even if it were it’s not an impeachable offense."

Alexander Hamilton, a famed American statesman, wrote in1788 that impeachment proceedings were for “those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Seems like Alexander Hamilton disagrees with you.[/QUOTE]
The Democrats have made impeachment meaningless ? All impeachment means that the party that controls the Congress doesn't like the other party president.
They want to do away with the electoral college so that the big population centers full of illegals and no voter ID laws . If they want to go popular vote then no one receiving welfare no one not legal and you most pass some kind of intelligent test before you can have the right vote.
I would like for a voter to least be able to read and and pay taxes

 

[atlanta cock#]

But impeachment hadn't started when Giuliani started his investigation so that makes it political from the start with no desire to seek out justice. Next

Impeachment began before Trump was sworn in. This was always an impeachment looking for a crime.

Riddle me this professor. Why has Trump not been charged with a crime? Why is no crime mentioned in the 2 articles of impeachment?

You hate him. I get that. In fact, I’m fine with it. But your hatred misleads you.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

No I'm saying Trump would not have started his scheme to bribe and blackmail the Ukrainian into a frivolous and unwarranted political investigation run by his personal lawyer and not DoJ into Biden had Biden not been Trump's primary political opponent.

Really think about what you are inferring. Do you really think Biden has a snowballs chance in hell if defeating Trump in any type of contest based on intelligence or record of accomplishments? Biden could not make it in life anywhere else but as a politician, it’s not even close.

 

[MooseHumperDawg]

="shonuff253, post: 4641870,
from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

So POTUS violated some public trust? I don't feel violated. What is a public trust.

 

[shonuff253]

Impeachment began before Trump was sworn in. This was always an impeachment looking for a crime.

Riddle me this professor. Why has Trump not been charged with a crime? Why is no crime mentioned in the 2 articles of impeachment?

You hate him. I get that. In fact, I’m fine with it. But your hatred misleads you.

https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.html

The impeachment process is political in nature, not criminal. Congress has no power to impose criminal penalties on impeached officials. But criminal courts may try and punish officials if they have committed crimes.

The Constitution sets specific grounds for impeachment. They are “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.” To be impeached and removed from office, the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these acts.

Impeachment began before Trump was sworn in. This was always an impeachment looking for a crime.

Riddle me this professor. Why has Trump not been charged with a crime? Why is no crime mentioned in the 2 articles of impeachment?

You hate him. I get that. In fact, I’m fine with it. But your hatred misleads you.

 

[shonuff253]

Impeachment began before Trump was sworn in. This was always an impeachment looking for a crime.

Riddle me this professor. Why has Trump not been charged with a crime? Why is no crime mentioned in the 2 articles of impeachment?

You hate him. I get that. In fact, I’m fine with it. But your hatred misleads you.

I don't I don't hate Trump, far from it. Do you hate at snake for behaving like a snake no. do you hit a wolf for sneaking into a sheep's pasture and killing some sheep oh, no that's his nature. But what I do hate is the hypocrisy of the Republican Party and its supporters who put a man above their country. Had the same offenses Trump is being accused of doing been done by Obama those on the right would be marching on the White House demanding Revolution.

 

[deadduckdawg]

Had the same offenses Trump is being accused of doing been done by Obama those on the right would be marching on the White House demanding Revolution.

You mean we would march on the White House like we did after Fast and Furious, Benghazi, weaponizing the IRS, the State Dept emails, the OPM hack, and his ignoring veterans and the VA? Or maybe like we marched after the release of the Taliban 5, or after Obama's actions worsened race relations and put cops in the crosshairs, or when he engineered contraceptive and abortion mandates, or Uranium One, or levying fines on Americans to force them to buy something they did not want?

Your supposition is dumbassed.

 

[shonuff253]

You mean we would march on the White House as we did after Fast and Furious, Benghazi, weaponizing the IRS, the State Dept emails, the OPM hack, and his ignoring veterans and the VA? Or maybe like we marched after the release of the Taliban 5, or after Obama's actions worsened race relations and put cops in the crosshairs, or when he engineered contraceptive and abortion mandates, or Uranium One, or levying fines on Americans to force them to buy something they did not want?

Your supposition is dumbassed.

Now it is you taking it to the extent of political actions being impeachable offenses, I am not. There are a lot of things Trump has done that. Do not agree with but the attempt at bribing the Ukrainians into starting an investigation into a political rival was a bridge too far. I'm even willing to admit that after Mueller released his full report I wasn't sure it was an impeachable offense and would be a mistake for the House to push for it.

 

[shonuff253]

You mean we would march on the White House like we did after Fast and Furious, Benghazi, weaponizing the IRS, the State Dept emails, the OPM hack, and his ignoring veterans and the VA? Or maybe like we marched after the release of the Taliban 5, or after Obama's actions worsened race relations and put cops in the crosshairs, or when he engineered contraceptive and abortion mandates, or Uranium One, or levying fines on Americans to force them to buy something they did not want?

Your supposition is dumbassed.

So are you saying the listed controversies we're impeachable offenses?

 

[deadduckdawg]

So are you saying the listed controversies we're impeachable offenses?

Some of them might be. Trump's actions certainly should not be.

Weaponizing the IRS against Americans seems serious to me. Obama's actions resulted in deaths of troops and diplomats.

You unsurprisingly misread my post. You stated if Trumps "offenses" had been committed by Obama the right would march on the White House and demand revolution. I merely pointed out the right did neither after that bonehead's anti-American moves. I did not state that I thought they were impeachable.

Now, reverse the question: What if Trump committed that list of offenses? You guys would all don your pink pussy hats and strut around the National Mall with stupid signs.

 

[fandawg]

or ?

He has already been impeached.

 

[shonuff253]

Some of them might be. Trump's actions certainly should not be.

Weaponizing the IRS against Americans seems serious to me. Obama's actions resulted in deaths of troops and diplomats.

You unsurprisingly misread my post. You stated if Trump's "offenses" had been committed by Obama the right would march on the White House and demand revolution. I merely pointed out the right did neither after that bonehead's anti-American moves. I did not state that I thought they were impeachable.

Now, reverse the question: What if Trump committed that list of offenses? You guys would all don your pink pussy hats and strut around the National Mall with stupid signs.

The only one that would have been impeachable would be the IRS candle buy if memory serves me correctly, it turned out to be confined to the local IRS branch in Cincinnati. It was so long ago but I could be wrong. That said, the GOP controlled the House at the time so they could have launched an investigation into the matter. If it had been proven to be an Obama directed scheme like the Ukraine matter then it would absolutely be an approachable offense.

 

[deadduckdawg]

The only one that would have been impeachable would be the IRS candle buy if memory serves me correctly, it turned out to be confined to the local IRS branch in Cincinnati. It was so long ago but I could be wrong. That said, the GOP controlled the House at the time so they could have launched an investigation into the matter. If it had been proven to be an Obama directed scheme like the Ukraine matter then it would absolutely be an approachable offense.

You still don't get it, so I'm done wasting my time.

 

[kdsdawg]

https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.html

The impeachment process is political in nature, not criminal. Congress has no power to impose criminal penalties on impeached officials. But criminal courts may try and punish officials if they have committed crimes.

The Constitution sets specific grounds for impeachment. They are “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.” To be impeached and removed from office, the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these acts.

well except there was no bribery, so there's that

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

Sorry you must have missed it but the House of Representative just finished Impeachment proceedings in which they presented evidence to show Trump administration withheld congressional approved foreign aide, In violation of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, in exchange for announcement for the investigation into a political rival. An investigation mind you that his own Department of Justice has refused to initiate.

Actually, they showed the exact opposite. All aid was paid, to the penny, and before the deadline. And the President of Ukraine is unaware of any "threat" or "quid pro quod".

You just lie constantly. Not sure why you feel comfort in doing that.

 

[shonuff253]

Actually, they showed the exact opposite. All aid was paid, to the penny, and before the deadline. And the President of Ukraine is unaware of any "threat" or "quid pro quod".

You just lie constantly. Not sure why you feel comfort in doing that.

Aide was only paid after the media broke news that it was being held up and questions we're asking why. After a fair and thorough investigation by House Dems, it was determined funds we're held up in violation of the 1974 Impoundment Control Act.

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

Aide was only paid after the media broke news that it was being held up and questions we're asking why. After a fair and thorough investigation by House Dems, it was determined funds we're held up in violation of the 1974 Impoundment Control Act.

"it was determined". 100% untrue. You lie constantly. Glad to let you join the equally dishonest RoyDawgMercer on the Ignore list. Bye.

 

[shonuff253]

"it was determined". 100% untrue. You lie constantly. Glad to let you join the equally dishonest RoyDawgMercer on the Ignore list. Bye.

Don't go Johnny. I'll admit it was determined was a little jab, I should have instead said. Something along the lines of lead to House Impeachment charges.

Also what have I lied about?

 

[atlanta cock#]

I don't I don't hate Trump, far from it. Do you hate at snake for behaving like a snake no. do you hit a wolf for sneaking into a sheep's pasture and killing some sheep oh, no that's his nature. But what I do hate is the hypocrisy of the Republican Party and its supporters who put a man above their country. Had the same offenses Trump is being accused of doing been done by Obama those on the right would be marching on the White House demanding Revolution.

I think when Obama passed his message to Putin about being more flexible in his second term was far worse than anything Trump has done. I think his handling of Iran was sheer incompetence and fantasy worthy of impeachment, but the adults on the Right treated the office with respect. A far cry from the Dems and from how Obama stabbed Israel in the back.

 

[deadduckdawg]

"it was determined". 100% untrue. You lie constantly. Glad to let you join the equally dishonest RoyDawgMercer on the Ignore list. Bye.

Arguing with liars is no fun. I'd rather argue with Michael Moore than RoyDawg.

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

Arguing with liars is no fun. I'd rather argue with Michael Moore than RoyDawg.

I wont be wasting my time any longer with those 2. There is no point in continuing to have discussions with dishonest people.

 

[deadduckdawg]

I wont be wasting my time any longer with those 2. There is no point in continuing to have discussions with dishonest people.

There are 5 or 6 more you might or might not have met. They will pop up next time something bad happens to America. Bad economic news gives them a woody and they involuntarily dry hump a sofa arm.

 

[JohnnyBeeDawg]

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