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What is more important to you?

  • Leaving like $60 billion dollars of military machines and armaments in Afghanistan for our enemies to use against our allies and us
  • Gas and diesel prices fueling inflation
  • Drag Queen story time in Kindergarten classrooms
  • Illegals entering our country by the tens of thousands
  • Providing US citizen tax dollars to illegals
  • Laws controlled by the Fed versus local representation
  • Government control and approval of what can be considered free speech
  • Biological men, calling themselves women, competing against women in sports
  • Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President
 
What is more important to you?

  • Leaving like $60 billion dollars of military machines and armaments in Afghanistan for our enemies to use against our allies and us
  • Gas and diesel prices fueling inflation
  • Drag Queen story time in Kindergarten classrooms
  • Illegals entering our country by the tens of thousands
  • Providing US citizen tax dollars to illegals
  • Laws controlled by the Fed versus local representation
  • Government control and approval of what can be considered free speech
  • Biological men, calling themselves women, competing against women in sports
  • Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President

Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn't get elected President.
 
What is more important to you?

  • Leaving like $60 billion dollars of military machines and armaments in Afghanistan for our enemies to use against our allies and us
  • Gas and diesel prices fueling inflation
  • Drag Queen story time in Kindergarten classrooms
  • Illegals entering our country by the tens of thousands
  • Providing US citizen tax dollars to illegals
  • Laws controlled by the Fed versus local representation
  • Government control and approval of what can be considered free speech
  • Biological men, calling themselves women, competing against women in sports
  • Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President
I thought it was 9 billion left in Afghanistan
 
I thought it was 9 billion left in Afghanistan
I said “like” $60 billion.

Are there any liberals here on this board that have the slightest sense of humor?

“Fair, equal, and balanced” was the biggest hint.

It’s satire. Participate.

Good thing I didn’t hang a participle or two. The progressives would have had another thing to point out and ignore the entire point of the post.
 
Who other than the government would determine what is and is not free speech?
1776
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


Apparently you missed this part of history class. Our rights come from God our creator not government. Government is created to serve man; to reinforce our safety and happiness. When will you socialists realize that this type of government only creates two classes of citizen. The oppressor and the oppressed. Good luck, but I think I have a feeling which side you will be on.
 
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1776
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


Apparently you missed this part of history class. Our rights come from God our creator not government. Government is created to serve man; to reinforce our safety and happiness. When will you socialist realize that this type of government only creates two classes of citizen. The oppressor and the oppressed. Good luck, but some how I think I have a feeling which side you will be on.
No, we did not in fact talk about God in history class. Unless you went to a parochial school, you didn’t either.

Y’all seem to be talking more about the source of our rights, and that’s fine. God also gave us free will, and therefore the ability to deprive others of their God-given rights. The Constitution is an attempt by man to enforce those rights on Earth.

If you want to leave it in God’s hands alone, then let’s just abolish the Supreme Court, since apparently it’s not needed. In fact, why have government in the first place? Are you an anarchist? I doubt it.

If you’re waiting for God to deliver his opinion on whether money is free speech or if corporations are individuals, I got news for you, my guy. You’re going to be waiting a while.
 
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I said “like” $60 billion.

Are there any liberals here on this board that have the slightest sense of humor?

“Fair, equal, and balanced” was the biggest hint.

It’s satire. Participate.

Good thing I didn’t hang a participle or two. The progressives would have had another thing to point out and ignore the entire point of the post.

Well the rest of your post is accurate is why I was wondering if I had the wrong number. I have seen an estimation of over 80 billion but seems to be grossly overestimated
 
Where is God mentioned in the Constitution?
God is mentioned in our Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The Constitution was written to assure that principle was maintained. It was written to control the government, not the citizen. Which in turn protects the citizen.

Thomas Jefferson stated

… are not selective grants of governmental benevolence; they are inherent properties of each human being, whether unborn or aged or unable to care for himself
 
What is more important to you?

  • Leaving like $60 billion dollars of military machines and armaments in Afghanistan for our enemies to use against our allies and us
  • Gas and diesel prices fueling inflation
  • Drag Queen story time in Kindergarten classrooms
  • Illegals entering our country by the tens of thousands
  • Providing US citizen tax dollars to illegals
  • Laws controlled by the Fed versus local representation
  • Government control and approval of what can be considered free speech
  • Biological men, calling themselves women, competing against women in sports
  • Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President
Drag queens, federal overstep, free speech, gender issues are all major concerns, because I see these as issues a society is very unlikely to come back from.

However, "Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President" is certainly disingenuous. This belittles the very legitimate concerns that many reasonable citizens have with Trump's posiitons and character.
 
God is mentioned in our Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The Constitution was written to assure that principle was maintained. It was written to control the government, not the citizen. Which in turn protects the citizen.

Thomas Jefferson stated

… are not selective grants of governmental benevolence; they are inherent properties of each human being, whether unborn or aged or unable to care for himself
So...do these rights belong to human beings? Can't be right. I thought this was just an American citizen thing.
 
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God is mentioned in our Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The Constitution was written to assure that principle was maintained. It was written to control the government, not the citizen. Which in turn protects the citizen.

Thomas Jefferson stated

… are not selective grants of governmental benevolence; they are inherent properties of each human being, whether unborn or aged or unable to care for himself
Is the Declaration of Independence a legal document?
 
What is more important to you?

  • Leaving like $60 billion dollars of military machines and armaments in Afghanistan for our enemies to use against our allies and us
  • Gas and diesel prices fueling inflation
  • Drag Queen story time in Kindergarten classrooms
  • Illegals entering our country by the tens of thousands
  • Providing US citizen tax dollars to illegals
  • Laws controlled by the Fed versus local representation
  • Government control and approval of what can be considered free speech
  • Biological men, calling themselves women, competing against women in sports
  • Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President
In all seriousness, I think it just lies in what folks hold important.

If voting is an opportunity to gain some moral high ground where you are more "proud" of the Country when there isn't an asshole in charge, you care less about policy. This undoubtedly favors Harris, although I would argue the hypocricy of the democrat party is every bit as bad as the mean tweet asshole.

I look at it differently. I want a President to effectively advance our Country's interests and the interests of my family. That means peace and prosperity. And some of the most effective leaders / negotiators / deterrents to violence, etc.....are bullies. They are total assholes. But guess what? I don't work for that asshole. He works for me. I don't live with him. I just appoint him to advance our interests.

I wish more folks saw it this way.
 
In all seriousness, I think it just lies in what folks hold important.

If voting is an opportunity to gain some moral high ground where you are more "proud" of the Country when there isn't an asshole in charge, you care less about policy. This undoubtedly favors Harris, although I would argue the hypocricy of the democrat party is every bit as bad as the mean tweet asshole.

I look at it differently. I want a President to effectively advance our Country's interests and the interests of my family. That means peace and prosperity. And some of the most effective leaders / negotiators / deterrents to violence, etc.....are bullies. They are total assholes. But guess what? I don't work for that asshole. He works for me. I don't live with him. I just appoint him to advance our interests.

I wish more folks saw it this way.
"And some of the most effective leaders / negotiators / deterrents to violence, etc.....are bullies. They are total assholes."

I think this is an extremely misguided understanding of what makes an effective leader.
 
"And some of the most effective leaders / negotiators / deterrents to violence, etc.....are bullies. They are total assholes."

I think this is an extremely misguided understanding of what makes an effective leader.


I say again. It isn't who I want to work for or with. But sometimes not caring what the hell the other side or the media thinks of you is a very big asset. It makes you less vulnerable to manipulation and much less predictable. And frees you to make unpopular decisions for the good of the country. Like other effective but unpopular executives, he fires folks. He pisses people off. He motivates people to do a great job or get fired. He negotiates for the good of the country, popularity be damned.

Furthermore, this isn't some hypothetical exercise. We had four years of peace and prosperity under this guy.

And before you throw "his mis-management of Covid" in my face, the dude has been totally vindicated. He was the one, along with red State governors, who wanted to open up the economy and protect the vulnerable, rather than close down schools and unnecessarily restrict younger folks, especially once vaccines were approved. He, along with Kemp, DeSantis, etc. were called murderers for it. In hindsight, they were right. The teachers' unions, the Biden admin, etc. were wrong. And a lot of their continued policy restricted the supply of goods and labor that led to the inflation we are dealing with today.

In general, almost all the knocks on Trump are on things he said or some kind of hypothetical "what if" based on things he has said. The proof is in the pudding. Our country did much better under the asshole's leadership.
 
Drag queens, federal overstep, free speech, gender issues are all major concerns, because I see these as issues a society is very unlikely to come back from.

However, "Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President" is certainly disingenuous. This belittles the very legitimate concerns that many reasonable citizens have with Trump's posiitons and character.
It was meant to be disingenuous. It was satire.

It could only belittle the self important.
 
No, we did not in fact talk about God in history class. Unless you went to a parochial school, you didn’t either.

Y’all seem to be talking more about the source of our rights, and that’s fine. God also gave us free will, and therefore the ability to deprive others of their God-given rights. The Constitution is an attempt by man to enforce those rights on Earth.

If you want to leave it in God’s hands alone, then let’s just abolish the Supreme Court, since apparently it’s not needed. In fact, why have government in the first place? Are you an anarchist? I doubt it.

If you’re waiting for God to deliver his opinion on whether money is free speech or if corporations are individuals, I got news for you, my guy. You’re going to be waiting a while.
just stating that our freedoms are derived from our Creator and not government. The constitution was written to protect these freedoms. Although it fails to mention God, His finger prints are all over it. God and the Bible were actually taught in my schools when I grew up. I did not advocate for anarchy but I guess you skipped that part. Good governance is required for a civil society. It’s apparent that we do not have good governance because we are no longer civil. We want to be a government for the immigrant and not one relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens.
 
Is the Declaration of Independence a legal document?
You are going down the wrong rabbit hole there nuff.

You can discuss legal allowance with the pedophile or doctor who kills conceived human life in the womb. I am a life is based on ethical values guy. Legal law is the boundary of human existence and living at those boundaries make for a dangerous life for everyone.

The Declaration of Independence listed the signers ethical beliefs and standards they declared personally and for how the new country would be managed, which did not include the British. And they were willing to die for it.

The legalities came with the Constitution, which was put in place to control the government, not the citizen. And it was written by the same men who recognized God in this process.

Gee, let’s determine the relative value of the Declaration of Independence. Heck yeah!
 
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Is the Declaration of Independence a legal document?
You're nothing but an antagonist and an f'ing asshole. Thank GOD our country didn't depend on dipshits like you to advance the ideals of the greatest country ever known to man.
 
You're nothing but an antagonist and an f'ing asshole. Thank GOD our country didn't depend on dipshits like you to advance the ideals of the greatest country ever known to man.
More name calling..... when all else fails, revert to what you guys do best. Smh...
 
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You are going down the wrong rabbit hole there nuff.

You can discuss legal allowance with the pedophile or doctor who kills conceived human life in the womb. I am a life is based on ethical values guy. Legal law is the boundary of human existence and living at those boundaries make for a dangerous life for everyone.

The Declaration of Independence listed the signers ethical beliefs and standards they declared personally and for how the new country would be managed, which did not include the British. And they were willing to die for it.

The legalities came with the Constitution, which was put in place to control the government, not the citizen. And it was written by the same men who recognized God in this process.

Gee, let’s determine the relative value of the Declaration of Independence. Heck yeah!
The answer is no it's not a legal document
 
Hello, communist. Would love to hear your defense of Kamala and how the democratic party stripped you of your vote.

Not engaging with people who can't communicate without the need to put down others. All the time. Will just wait until another thread pops up and people at least agree to disagree with some respect.
 
Drag queens, federal overstep, free speech, gender issues are all major concerns, because I see these as issues a society is very unlikely to come back from.

However, "Making sure a man who posts mean tweets doesn’t get elected President" is certainly disingenuous. This belittles the very legitimate concerns that many reasonable citizens have with Trump's posiitons and character.
Mr. Chop, would you please enlighten us as to Kamala's character and in fact please enlighten us on all democrat character. Please pay attention to dim pols that call opposition voters, "deplorables". "bitter clingers" "fascist" etc. Also explain the "character" needed to celebrate the ability to kill unborn innocent human babies.

Thank you.
 
Who other than the government would determine what is and is not free speech?
Hoooolllllyyyyuu f*ck… take a moment of self reflection my friend. If you think the government has any rights to decide what is free speech and what’s not you should head to Russia buddy, they’d LOVE you over there!
 
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Hoooolllllyyyyuu f*ck… take a moment of self reflection my friend. If you think the government has any rights to decide what is free speech and what’s not you should head to Russia buddy, they’d LOVE you over there!
It's not what I "think." It's Article III and Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803).
 
It's not what I "think." It's Article III and Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803).
When the government sets the laws to make the laws.

Our Constitution was written to protect US citizens from the government, not visa versa.

Political opinion should never, under any circumstances, be prohibited. Speech of opinion should never be prohibited.
 
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Says you? Not sure he says so.

And our founding Fathers gave God much credit in designing their independence from tyranny.
But they didn't give God enough credit to base their their rule of law and government on him...kind of telling.
 
But they didn't give God enough credit to base their their rule of law and government on him...kind of telling.
They absolutely did. Much of our legal system was based on biblical tenants.

But you know that.

The beauty in what our founding fathers did was acknowledge free will and personal freedoms of opinion and speech.

The “inalienable rights” statement deferred respect to God and referenced a strong understanding of behaving ethically. This they understood.

And they assured the right to bear arms not as protection against invading armies, as we have a military, but for the citizen to protect themselves from the tyranny of government control.

They were smart enough to understand that man corrupts and man used government for power. Rhat government was to serve the citizen, not rule it.
 
What parts of our legal system are uniquely Judeo-Christian values.
I am guessing that PW doesn’t understand that most of the major world religions share some core tenants. As such, I put ChatGPT to work for an answer.

The world's major religions, despite their diverse beliefs and practices, share several key tenets that reflect common human concerns and ethical principles. These shared principles include:

1. **The Golden Rule**: Most major religions advocate for a version of the Golden Rule, which is to treat others as you would want to be treated. This concept is central to the moral teachings of many faiths, emphasizing empathy, compassion, and respect for others.

2. **The Importance of Compassion and Love**: Many religions emphasize the importance of compassion, love, and kindness toward others. This is often expressed through charitable acts, helping those in need, and fostering positive relationships within the community.

3. **The Value of Life and the Dignity of the Individual**: Major religions generally uphold the sanctity of life and the intrinsic worth of each person. This includes a respect for human dignity, often grounded in the belief that humans are created in the image of a divine being or possess an inherent spiritual value.

4. **The Pursuit of Justice**: Justice is a common theme, with religions advocating for fairness, equity, and the protection of the vulnerable. This often includes teachings on social justice, the right treatment of others, and the importance of just laws and governance.

5. **The Importance of Community and Belonging**: Religious traditions frequently stress the importance of belonging to a community, whether it be a family, a religious congregation, or the broader society. This sense of community is often linked to shared worship, rituals, and moral support.

6. **The Practice of Rituals and Worship**: While the specific rituals vary widely, the act of worship and the use of rituals to connect with the divine or the sacred is common across major religions. These practices help to foster a sense of connection to a higher power and provide a framework for spiritual life.

7. **A Belief in a Higher Power or Ultimate Reality**: Most major religions include a belief in some form of higher power, whether it is a personal God, gods, or an ultimate reality or truth. This belief often provides the foundation for the religion's ethical teachings and practices.

8. **An Ethical or Moral Framework**: Religions typically provide a set of ethical guidelines or moral teachings that guide the behavior of their adherents. These guidelines often address how to live a good life, interact with others, and fulfill one's duties to society and the divine.

9. **The Idea of Spiritual Growth and Transformation**: Many religions encourage the idea of spiritual growth, personal transformation, or enlightenment. This often involves practices such as prayer, meditation, moral discipline, and the pursuit of wisdom.

10. **The Concept of Afterlife or Continuation Beyond Death**: While the specifics vary, many religions have beliefs about life after death, whether it involves reincarnation, heaven and hell, or some other form of spiritual continuation.

These shared tenets reflect common human concerns and aspirations, providing a moral and spiritual framework that has guided individuals and societies throughout history.
 
I am guessing that PW doesn’t understand that most of the major world religions share some core tenants. As such, I put ChatGPT to work for an answer.

The world's major religions, despite their diverse beliefs and practices, share several key tenets that reflect common human concerns and ethical principles. These shared principles include:

1. **The Golden Rule**: Most major religions advocate for a version of the Golden Rule, which is to treat others as you would want to be treated. This concept is central to the moral teachings of many faiths, emphasizing empathy, compassion, and respect for others.

2. **The Importance of Compassion and Love**: Many religions emphasize the importance of compassion, love, and kindness toward others. This is often expressed through charitable acts, helping those in need, and fostering positive relationships within the community.

3. **The Value of Life and the Dignity of the Individual**: Major religions generally uphold the sanctity of life and the intrinsic worth of each person. This includes a respect for human dignity, often grounded in the belief that humans are created in the image of a divine being or possess an inherent spiritual value.

4. **The Pursuit of Justice**: Justice is a common theme, with religions advocating for fairness, equity, and the protection of the vulnerable. This often includes teachings on social justice, the right treatment of others, and the importance of just laws and governance.

5. **The Importance of Community and Belonging**: Religious traditions frequently stress the importance of belonging to a community, whether it be a family, a religious congregation, or the broader society. This sense of community is often linked to shared worship, rituals, and moral support.

6. **The Practice of Rituals and Worship**: While the specific rituals vary widely, the act of worship and the use of rituals to connect with the divine or the sacred is common across major religions. These practices help to foster a sense of connection to a higher power and provide a framework for spiritual life.

7. **A Belief in a Higher Power or Ultimate Reality**: Most major religions include a belief in some form of higher power, whether it is a personal God, gods, or an ultimate reality or truth. This belief often provides the foundation for the religion's ethical teachings and practices.

8. **An Ethical or Moral Framework**: Religions typically provide a set of ethical guidelines or moral teachings that guide the behavior of their adherents. These guidelines often address how to live a good life, interact with others, and fulfill one's duties to society and the divine.

9. **The Idea of Spiritual Growth and Transformation**: Many religions encourage the idea of spiritual growth, personal transformation, or enlightenment. This often involves practices such as prayer, meditation, moral discipline, and the pursuit of wisdom.

10. **The Concept of Afterlife or Continuation Beyond Death**: While the specifics vary, many religions have beliefs about life after death, whether it involves reincarnation, heaven and hell, or some other form of spiritual continuation.

These shared tenets reflect common human concerns and aspirations, providing a moral and spiritual framework that has guided individuals and societies throughout history.
What will doesn’t understand is that Christianity was the predominant religion in our founding immigrants and within the culture of the British colonists during and long after the independence from Britain.

It wasn’t a porporri of world religions. World religions were not taught as an elective in schools in that era and I am sure Facebook and Twitter, in that day, didn’t promote worldview religions.

The basis of our American culture was formed from Judeo Christian standards.

The hindsight of religious standards, as you posted, comes from years of study and exploration, it is not religious understandings our founding fathers knew.

The differences in religious beliefs in our colonial times were primarily logistical details regarding the Trinity of God, salvation of man, and what the tribulation meant. Then there were atheists and agnostics.

In regards to the study of world religions to base our laws, no, it didn’t happen. It was more of a belief in God or not issue.

The rationale behind what our founding fathers meant cannot be rewritten because of what we know and placing that knowledge on them.

The basis of good has a home in many religions. And it should. But our founding fathers were influenced by Christianity.

But a good man doesn’t go to Heaven. A saved and repentive good man who recognizes Jesus Christ as his savior does. So the details matter. A man who promotes false teachings and sin is condemned. We can’t dictate to God His laws and rules.

We all have a choice. We can choose the red pill or blue pill. Free will, will.
 
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