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STEP 1. Move car manufacturing to USA.
STEP 2. Tariffs stop.
Amazing how many don’t get this very simple thing. I wonder how much more competitive it will make the companies producing cars here. Who are already providing jobs for actual Americans.

At some point a Democrat will likely win an election again. How will they reason with the voter that it is a good thing to go back to shipping our jobs overseas. 🤦‍♂️
 
STEP 1. Move car manufacturing to USA.
STEP 2. Tariffs stop.
Amazing how many don’t get this very simple thing. I wonder how much more competitive it will make the companies producing cars here. Who are already providing jobs for actual Americans.

At some point a Democrat will likely win an election again. How will they reason with the voter that it is a good thing to go back to shipping our jobs overseas. 🤦‍♂️
Just “move manufacturing to the US”. Simple, right?

Given this is so simple, what do you think is involved for companies wishing to move manufacturing to the US and how long do you think is required between the decision to develop more US capacity and new vehicles rolling off the assembly line?
 
Just “move manufacturing to the US”. Simple, right?

Given this is so simple, what do you think is involved for companies wishing to move manufacturing to the US and how long do you think is required between the decision to develop more US capacity and new vehicles rolling off the assembly line?
Never said it was simple. I know some of these companies are going to have to build factories over here. Going to have to take it on the chin or live with the tariffs for a while. I knew you wouldn’t like this deal. I am so shocked.
 
Never said it was simple. I know some of these companies are going to have to build factories over here. Going to have to take it on the chin or live with the tariffs for a while. I knew you wouldn’t like this deal. I am so shocked.
Amazing how many don’t get this very simple thing. I wonder how much more competitive it will make the companies producing cars here. Who are already providing jobs for actual Americans.

At some point a Democrat will likely win an election again. How will they reason with the voter that it is a good thing to go back to shipping our jobs overseas. 🤦‍♂️
“Amazing how some people don’t get this very simple thing”. That’s your quote.

Who is going to take it on the chin, the OEMs or the consumer? And I guess MAGA is now all for price controls.

The OEMs can’t just eat a 25% increase in costs. That’s economic idiocy.

I’ve been extremely loud and consistent about the fact that tariffs were going to drive huge cost of living increases. This is simply one example of a growing list.

I can’t imagine all of the people you regularly reference as struggling under Biden are going to feel great about price increases that are theoretically going to benefit the economy two to three years from now at the earliest.

That’s the opposite of Trump’s “Day One” promises.
 
Never said it was simple. I know some of these companies are going to have to build factories over here. Going to have to take it on the chin or live with the tariffs for a while. I knew you wouldn’t like this deal. I am so shocked.
So wait, are MAGA folks now in favor of the government using coercion for dictating pricing decisions to companies competing in the free market? Isn't that what happens in socialist or communist forms of government? I'm sure AOC and Bernie approve.
 
Just “move manufacturing to the US”. Simple, right?

Given this is so simple, what do you think is involved for companies wishing to move manufacturing to the US and how long do you think is required between the decision to develop more US capacity and new vehicles rolling off the assembly line?
Good point. I think what you will see is for example a BMW negotiate tariff relief in exchange for doing more manufacturing here (like in Greenville)…..the relief will come once the commitment is made (soon).

There’s a reason foreign auto stocks are getting hammered. We buy a lot of their cars. And we will continue to do so…..but in exchange for commitments that benefit the US economy.
 
“Amazing how some people don’t get this very simple thing”. That’s your quote.

Who is going to take it on the chin, the OEMs or the consumer? And I guess MAGA is now all for price controls.

The OEMs can’t just eat a 25% increase in costs. That’s economic idiocy.

I’ve been extremely loud and consistent about the fact that tariffs were going to drive huge cost of living increases. This is simply one example of a growing list.

I can’t imagine all of the people you regularly reference as struggling under Biden are going to feel great about price increases that are theoretically going to benefit the economy two to three years from now at the earliest.

That’s the opposite of Trump’s “Day One” promises.
more jobs like these over here good. Less jobs over here bad. That should take care of the explanation.

I get you don’t like tariffs. That you have made clear. Some of his tariffs worked last time. What we have been doing hasn’t been working in the economy for the working class. This is what lost the election. Trying something different to help bring home better working class jobs here isn’t a bad thing to try. You can harp on the reprocussions. I get it. At the end of the day, if he is wrong and we feel pain for it the next three years it will cost the gop the next election. You are so sure of yourself and your opinion. So if you turn out to be right you should be happy. I don’t mind someone trying something different. The 34 percent economy approval rating wasn’t an accident. The rich got richer and more people became poor. Go look at the numbers out there required per state to live comfortably now. If that doesn’t shake you. I don’t know what will.

 
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So wait, are MAGA folks now in favor of the government using coercion for dictating pricing decisions to companies competing in the free market? Isn't that what happens in socialist or communist forms of government? I'm sure AOC and Bernie approve.
If the pressure is on US companies, I agree. Villifying oil companies, blaming greedy grocery companies for price increases, etc.

If Trump uses tariffs to pick winners amongst domestic companies…..that’s a problem and anti-capitalist. Let the market work.

But using the leverage of tariffs on the world stage to benefit our own economy is a different story.
 
So wait, are MAGA folks now in favor of the government using coercion for dictating pricing decisions to companies competing in the free market? Isn't that what happens in socialist or communist forms of government? I'm sure AOC and Bernie approve.
Interesting spin brother. Holy smokes. Is this really your take? If aoc approved that is great. She is the leader of the democrat party. So why are you so concerned. She gives you your marching orders. You should be happy with this then.
 
Good point. I think what you will see is for example a BMW negotiate tariff relief in exchange for doing more manufacturing here (like in Greenville)…..the relief will come once the commitment is made (soon).

There’s a reason foreign auto stocks are getting hammered. We buy a lot of their cars. And we will continue to do so…..but in exchange for commitments that benefit the US economy.
What you suggest would be extremely unwieldy and difficult to implement.

Is it based off of the commitment of investment budget? A commitment of $1b in plant investment is very different for Toyota versus Honda versus Mazda versus the European OEMs given the current size and scale of their US businesses. Or perhaps it’s based off a formula as a percentage of current sales or production?

Any of those options get complicated very quickly and risk the administration playing favorites.

Speaking of, guess which company most clearly benefits from these new tariffs. Tesla, and it isn’t even close! They have the cleanest supply chain and all of the vehicles sold in the US are currently made here, which GM and Ford can’t claim. Tesla also happens to be the company most at risk from the threat from new Chinese EV imports.

Shocker, right?

more jobs like these over here good. Less jobs over here bad. That should take care of the explanation.

I get you don’t like tariffs. That you have made clear. Some of his tariffs worked last time. What we have been doing hasn’t been working in the economy for the working class. This is what lost the election. Trying something different to help bring home better working class jobs here isn’t a bad thing to try. You can harp on the reprocussions. I get it. At the end of the day, if he is wrong and we feel pain for it the next three years it will cost the gop the next election. You are so sure of yourself and your opinion. So if you turn out to be right you should be happy. I don’t mind someone trying something different. The 34 percent economy approval rating wasn’t an accident. The rich got richer and more people became poor. Go look at the numbers out there required per state to live comfortably now. If that doesn’t shake you. I don’t know what will.

So you feel all of your pals who suffered so badly from inflation under Biden will have no issue with more cost of living increases for the next few years because it’s all going to work out great later?

Current polling suggests that Trump and the GOP are going struggle mightily if “Day One” has turned into “Suffer more now for a brighter future late”.

But hey, at least we are shipping brown people who have never been charged with a crime off to outsourced concentration camps in El Salvador, so we’ve got that going for us.
 
What you suggest would be extremely unwieldy and difficult to implement.

Is it based off of the commitment of investment budget? A commitment of $1b in plant investment is very different for Toyota versus Honda versus Mazda versus the European OEMs given the current size and scale of their US businesses. Or perhaps it’s based off a formula as a percentage of current sales or production?

Any of those options get complicated very quickly and risk the administration playing favorites.

Speaking of, guess which company most clearly benefits from these new tariffs. Tesla, and it isn’t even close! They have the cleanest supply chain and all of the vehicles sold in the US are currently made here, which GM and Ford can’t claim. Tesla also happens to be the company most at risk from the threat from new Chinese EV imports.

Shocker, right?


So you feel all of your pals who suffered so badly from inflation under Biden will have no issue with more cost of living increases for the next few years because it’s all going to work out great later?

Current polling suggests that Trump and the GOP are going struggle mightily if “Day One” has turned into “Suffer more now for a brighter future late”.

But hey, at least we are shipping brown people who have never been charged with a crime off to outsourced concentration camps in El Salvador, so we’ve got that going for us.
I’ve got no problem with a US President thumbing the scales on foreign investment as part of a negotiation. These countries tariff the shit out of US vehicles….a big reason you never see them in Europe.

I predict we will get some tariff resolutions next week, and the market will like it.
 
What you suggest would be extremely unwieldy and difficult to implement.

Is it based off of the commitment of investment budget? A commitment of $1b in plant investment is very different for Toyota versus Honda versus Mazda versus the European OEMs given the current size and scale of their US businesses. Or perhaps it’s based off a formula as a percentage of current sales or production?

Any of those options get complicated very quickly and risk the administration playing favorites.

Speaking of, guess which company most clearly benefits from these new tariffs. Tesla, and it isn’t even close! They have the cleanest supply chain and all of the vehicles sold in the US are currently made here, which GM and Ford can’t claim. Tesla also happens to be the company most at risk from the threat from new Chinese EV imports.

Shocker, right?


So you feel all of your pals who suffered so badly from inflation under Biden will have no issue with more cost of living increases for the next few years because it’s all going to work out great later?

Current polling suggests that Trump and the GOP are going struggle mightily if “Day One” has turned into “Suffer more now for a brighter future late”.

But hey, at least we are shipping brown people who have never been charged with a crime off to outsourced concentration camps in El Salvador, so we’ve got that going for us.
You want to go race and immigration go for it. You know where I stand on that. If you come over here illegally, you have lost control of what may happen to you. They were in cages under Obama. You didn’t care then. Under Biden they got out into purgatory for a while. The ones who didn’t come streaming across. Where they had to seperate the women and children because they were being raped. I don’t allow my girls to run their favorite spot anymore due to what happened to Laken Riley. My daughter dates a guy here from Puerto Rico and Peru. Great kid. Staying with us this weekend to watch some March madness with me. His parents came over and did it the right way. Went thru the process and are now citizens. You should hear them talk about people here illegally not going thru the proper channels. Worse than anything I would ever say. Same with the folks who own the business next door to me. It isn’t about race. You play a stupid game and you just might win a stupid prize.

If what Trump does ends up not working out, you will get what you want. You are adamantly opposing every single move. This is where I have an issue. Neither side have all the right ideas. You blanket every decision he makes as the wrong one. Before you get to see the end result. Nearly everything Biden touched turned to shit because we got to see the ended result. There was no reason to let the border be open. None. Other than to buy votes. Instead of blaming Trump for this, he isn’t the reason they are here and in this spot. He has already made mistakes in his presidency. He will continue to make mistakes. He wouldn’t be the first or last president to promise things day one and not be able to deliver. But you can see him working every day. He is in the news doing something every day. That by itself is at least reassuring. I don’t expect him to be perfect. And if he is wrong in what he does so be it, but what we have been doing wasn’t working.
 
Just “move manufacturing to the US”. Simple, right?

Given this is so simple, what do you think is involved for companies wishing to move manufacturing to the US and how long do you think is required between the decision to develop more US capacity and new vehicles rolling off the assembly line?
they are doing it......Apple, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai
 
more jobs like these over here good. Less jobs over here bad. That should take care of the explanation.

I get you don’t like tariffs. That you have made clear. Some of his tariffs worked last time. What we have been doing hasn’t been working in the economy for the working class. This is what lost the election. Trying something different to help bring home better working class jobs here isn’t a bad thing to try. You can harp on the reprocussions. I get it. At the end of the day, if he is wrong and we feel pain for it the next three years it will cost the gop the next election. You are so sure of yourself and your opinion. So if you turn out to be right you should be happy. I don’t mind someone trying something different. The 34 percent economy approval rating wasn’t an accident. The rich got richer and more people became poor. Go look at the numbers out there required per state to live comfortably now. If that doesn’t shake you. I don’t know what will.

I missed the edited paragraph that you added.

I'm not against the use of tariffs per se. They can be an important component of effective trade policy when deployed strategically. But they do have consequences, and the more broadly and inconsistently they are used, the more dire the potential consequences can be. I think we are seeing that manifested now in a number of ways, none of which are good for US consumers in the short or even mid-term.

I like more US manufacturing as a concept, and I happen to also benefit professionally given my line of work. That doesn't change my concern about the impact of how Trump's policy is being implemented, specifically the disruption of the current economy and the impact on prices for a middle class that is already under duress.

I'm also skeptical about the long-term impact of reshoring manufacturing on the US jobs market given the impact of AI and roboticization, but that concern applies to far more than this limited topic.
You want to go race and immigration go for it. You know where I stand on that. If you come over here illegally, you have lost control of what may happen to you. They were in cages under Obama. You didn’t care then. Under Biden they got out into purgatory for a while. The ones who didn’t come streaming across. Where they had to seperate the women and children because they were being raped. I don’t allow my girls to run their favorite spot anymore due to what happened to Laken Riley. My daughter dates a guy here from Puerto Rico and Peru. Great kid. Staying with us this weekend to watch some March madness with me. His parents came over and did it the right way. Went thru the process and are now citizens. You should hear them talk about people here illegally not going thru the proper channels. Worse than anything I would ever say. Same with the folks who own the business next door to me. It isn’t about race. You play a stupid game and you just might win a stupid prize.

If what Trump does ends up not working out, you will get what you want. You are adamantly opposing every single move. This is where I have an issue. Neither side have all the right ideas. You blanket every decision he makes as the wrong one. Before you get to see the end result. Nearly everything Biden touched turned to shit because we got to see the ended result. There was no reason to let the border be open. None. Other than to buy votes. Instead of blaming Trump for this, he isn’t the reason they are here and in this spot. He has already made mistakes in his presidency. He will continue to make mistakes. He wouldn’t be the first or last president to promise things day one and not be able to deliver. But you can see him working every day. He is in the news doing something every day. That by itself is at least reassuring. I don’t expect him to be perfect. And if he is wrong in what he does so be it, but what we have been doing wasn’t work
I added an unrelated topic, which I should have resisted. I am so angry about it I couldn't help myself. Apologies.

Several of the people we have shipped off to what can legitimately be called a concentration camp in El Salvado were here legally and have never been charged with a crime, much less convicted. There is no proof that these people were associated with any gangs.

If we had not dispensed with due process, these people would have almost certainly not been shipped to El Salvador. It is criminal what we are doing as a country, and it goes against everything we are supposed to stand for.








And here is Kristi Noem touring the prison in El Salvador, bragging about this absolute evil that we are responsible for. She also happens to be wearing a $58k solid gold Rolex Chronograph while doing it, which is just perfect, in a really twisted and dark way.

You know I felt the Biden border policy was a failure, in fact his biggest failure. It doesn't justify what we are doing regarding this program.



WTF even is this? Posted by the official WH account.

 
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“Amazing how some people don’t get this very simple thing”. That’s your quote.

Who is going to take it on the chin, the OEMs or the consumer? And I guess MAGA is now all for price controls.

The OEMs can’t just eat a 25% increase in costs. That’s economic idiocy.

I’ve been extremely loud and consistent about the fact that tariffs were going to drive huge cost of living increases. This is simply one example of a growing list.

I can’t imagine all of the people you regularly reference as struggling under Biden are going to feel great about price increases that are theoretically going to benefit the economy two to three years from now at the earliest.

That’s the opposite of Trump’s “Day One” promises.
The worst part (for me) is that eliminating NAFTA and putting on huge tariffs are not even conservative, Republican principles. They’re Democrat principles.

The only other candidate with this much animas toward NAFTA and loving tarifs was Bernie freaking Sanders. And he’s insane.

The idea that he threatened auto makers today with retribution if they raised prices is so nuts.

And we haven’t even really seen much from Kash and RFK Jr. yet. Lol

Going to be an interesting 45 months.
 
So wait, are MAGA folks now in favor of the government using coercion for dictating pricing decisions to companies competing in the free market? Isn't that what happens in socialist or communist forms of government? I'm sure AOC and Bernie approve.
Liberals are in favor of smaller government. Wait for it. Campaign 2028
 
Interesting spin brother. Holy smokes. Is this really your take? If aoc approved that is great. She is the leader of the democrat party. So why are you so concerned. She gives you your marching orders. You should be happy with this then.
My choice has never been between Trump or the democrats. But rather Trump vs the more moderate, business-minded GOP. There are no shortage of good candidates.
 
My choice has never been between Trump or the democrats. But rather Trump vs the more moderate, business-minded GOP. There are no shortage of good candidates.
I wanted two new candidates a while back. I am much more moderate. But I find myself leaning more right because the left has lost their damn minds. You can see it in the moderate democrats too leaving the party. Even Trump. Life long Democrat. Rfk. Tulsi. Elon etc. he doesn’t govern from the far right. Never has. But I agree there are no shortage of good candidates, but I truly believe people gravitate to Trump because he will say what other candidates won’t. You can view that as good or bad. There are no shortages right now of Trump hating conservatives or moderates who are too embarrassed to admit being democrats. It is all that argues on this board. No one wants to admit they are a democrat anymore. What does that tell you?

They will argue points no moderate or conservative human should ever argue. Yet still claim they aren’t a democrat. It is almost funny. I just made a choice. I don’t care for Trump per se. But damn the alternative. The other choice was a brain dead man or low iq woman. A lawyer, who can’t speak without a prompter. She was nearly the president too. Should we cover how bad Hillary is.
 
I wanted two new candidates a while back. I am much more moderate. But I find myself leaning more right because the left has lost their damn minds. You can see it in the moderate democrats too leaving the party. Even Trump. Life long Democrat. Rfk. Tulsi. Elon etc. he doesn’t govern from the far right. Never has. But I agree there are no shortage of good candidates, but I truly believe people gravitate to Trump because he will say what other candidates won’t. You can view that as good or bad. There are no shortages right now of Trump hating conservatives or moderates who are too embarrassed to admit being democrats. It is all that argues on this board. No one wants to admit they are a democrat anymore. What does that tell you?

They will argue points no moderate or conservative human should ever argue. Yet still claim they aren’t a democrat. It is almost funny. I just made a choice. I don’t care for Trump per se. But damn the alternative. The other choice was a brain dead man or low iq woman. A lawyer, who can’t speak without a prompter. She was nearly the president too. Should we cover how bad Hillary is.
Yeah. Trump is nuts, but Democrats are a freak show

He earned my vote.
 
I missed the edited paragraph that you added.

I'm not against the use of tariffs per se. They can be an important component of effective trade policy when deployed strategically. But they do have consequences, and the more broadly and inconsistently they are used, the more dire the potential consequences can be. I think we are seeing that manifested now in a number of ways, none of which are good for US consumers in the short or even mid-term.

I like more US manufacturing as a concept, and I happen to also benefit professionally given my line of work. That doesn't change my concern about the impact of how Trump's policy is being implemented, specifically the disruption of the current economy and the impact on prices for a middle class that is already under duress.

I'm also skeptical about the long-term impact of reshoring manufacturing on the US jobs market given the impact of AI and roboticization, but that concern applies to far more than this limited topic.

I added an unrelated topic, which I should have resisted. I am so angry about it I couldn't help myself. Apologies.

Several of the people we have shipped off to what can legitimately be called a concentration camp in El Salvado were here legally and have never been charged with a crime, much less convicted. There is no proof that these people were associated with any gangs.

If we had not dispensed with due process, these people would have almost certainly not been shipped to El Salvador. It is criminal what we are doing as a country, and it goes against everything we are supposed to stand for.








And here is Kristi Noem touring the prison in El Salvador, bragging about this absolute evil that we are responsible for. She also happens to be wearing a $58k solid gold Rolex Chronograph while doing it, which is just perfect, in a really twisted and dark way.

You know I felt the Biden border policy was a failure, in fact his biggest failure. It doesn't justify what we are doing regarding this program.



WTF even is this? Posted by the official WH account.

Like I said. Had we not lost our minds at the border this wouldn’t be happening. There are always people caught in the crossfire. I have learned when the left posts fear porn on Twitter I like to let the dust settle. That actually goes for anyone posting there. I will wait and see if any of that turns out to be true or if there isn’t another side to the story. There almost always is a reason. I don’t know what the batting average is these days for the left fear porn being right. But it is really low.
 
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Like I said. Had we not lost our minds at the border this wouldn’t be happening. There are always people caught in the crossfire. I have learned when the left posts fear porn on Twitter I like to let the dust settle. That actually goes for anyone posting there. I will wait and see if any of that turns out to be true or if there isn’t another side to the story. There almost always is a reason. I don’t know what the batting average is these days for the left fear porn being right. But it is really low.
The cost of no enforcement whatsoever (Laken Riley, etc) far exceeds the cost of REVERSIBLE collateral damage in the enforcement of border policy and the corrective actions necessary due to prior failed policy. And the very public way we are doing this has a deterrent advantage that far exceeds actual border crossings and deportations.

This applies to the DOGE effort as well. Any CEO will tell you that over cutting and then adding back when necessary is a tried and true successful tactic when cost cutting. It has to happen. Just get us to baseline 2019 spending andjusted for inflation. That’s still too much. But Everyone should agree with that.
 
Yeah. Trump is nuts, but Democrats are a freak show

He earned my vote.
Get it - sometimes I think he is crazy like a fox and other times just crazy. Then I remind myself what the results were in his last term - economically etc.

Wish he could be just a little more political sometimes, or have better decorum. But it served him well last time.

We’re in some crazy times right now, would be tough for anyone. But definitely think “KAMALA” would have made it much worse.
 
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Good point. I think what you will see is for example a BMW negotiate tariff relief in exchange for doing more manufacturing here (like in Greenville)…..the relief will come once the commitment is made (soon).

There’s a reason foreign auto stocks are getting hammered. We buy a lot of their cars. And we will continue to do so…..but in exchange for commitments that benefit the US economy.

“Amazing how some people don’t get this very simple thing”. That’s your quote.

Who is going to take it on the chin, the OEMs or the consumer? And I guess MAGA is now all for price controls.

The OEMs can’t just eat a 25% increase in costs. That’s economic idiocy.

I’ve been extremely loud and consistent about the fact that tariffs were going to drive huge cost of living increases. This is simply one example of a growing list.

I can’t imagine all of the people you regularly reference as struggling under Biden are going to feel great about price increases that are theoretically going to benefit the economy two to three years from now at the earliest.

That’s the opposite of Trump’s “Day One” promises.
You libs think this should happen over night you know it is going to take a few years to get the manufacturing going. We will go through a tough time during the short term but we will be better off long term.
 
The cost of no enforcement whatsoever (Laken Riley, etc) far exceeds the cost of REVERSIBLE collateral damage in the enforcement of border policy and the corrective actions necessary due to prior failed policy. And the very public way we are doing this has a deterrent advantage that far exceeds actual border crossings and deportations.

This applies to the DOGE effort as well. Any CEO will tell you that over cutting and then adding back when necessary is a tried and true successful tactic when cost cutting. It has to happen. Just get us to baseline 2019 spending andjusted for inflation. That’s still too much. But Everyone should agree with that.
There’s always an excuse for the deterioration of rights.

Due process for all is as fundamental of a Constitutional right as we have. Of course deportations are easier when you dispense with it. We could scotch the Bill of Rights and it would be easier for the government to do a lot of things. The entire point of constitutionally granted rights is that they are so important that they must be protected when it’s difficult for the state, not when it’s easy.

Do you really think it stops with supposed Venezuelan gang members? Why not domestic gang members who are full citizens? Or citizens accused of murder?

If the SCOTUS decides that due process is no longer an inviolable right, things are going to get very ugly very quickly.
 
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You libs think this should happen over night you know it is going to take a few years to get the manufacturing going. We will go through a tough time during the short term but we will be better off long term
Until the next Prez comes along. No guarantee he/she will adopt the same policies (tariffs)…..and as someone pointed out earlier, it takes time for the process to work.

There has to be compromise somewhere. It’s all a gamble, as long as it’s not an all or nothing gamble.
 
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What you suggest would be extremely unwieldy and difficult to implement.

Is it based off of the commitment of investment budget? A commitment of $1b in plant investment is very different for Toyota versus Honda versus Mazda versus the European OEMs given the current size and scale of their US businesses. Or perhaps it’s based off a formula as a percentage of current sales or production?

Any of those options get complicated very quickly and risk the administration playing favorites.

Speaking of, guess which company most clearly benefits from these new tariffs. Tesla, and it isn’t even close! They have the cleanest supply chain and all of the vehicles sold in the US are currently made here, which GM and Ford can’t claim. Tesla also happens to be the company most at risk from the threat from new Chinese EV imports.

Shocker, right?


So you feel all of your pals who suffered so badly from inflation under Biden will have no issue with more cost of living increases for the next few years because it’s all going to work out great later?

Current polling suggests that Trump and the GOP are going struggle mightily if “Day One” has turned into “Suffer more now for a brighter future late”.

But hey, at least we are shipping brown people who have never been charged with a crime off to outsourced concentration camps in El Salvador, so we’ve got that going for us.
Yeah you people wanted to keep these criminals in the country to murder and rape the citizens of this nation. Everything is great when it is not effecting you. If you are for keeping these so called brown people here that makes you a traitor to our country because they all came here illegally and all are criminals.
 
You want to go race and immigration go for it. You know where I stand on that. If you come over here illegally, you have lost control of what may happen to you. They were in cages under Obama. You didn’t care then. Under Biden they got out into purgatory for a while. The ones who didn’t come streaming across. Where they had to seperate the women and children because they were being raped. I don’t allow my girls to run their favorite spot anymore due to what happened to Laken Riley. My daughter dates a guy here from Puerto Rico and Peru. Great kid. Staying with us this weekend to watch some March madness with me. His parents came over and did it the right way. Went thru the process and are now citizens. You should hear them talk about people here illegally not going thru the proper channels. Worse than anything I would ever say. Same with the folks who own the business next door to me. It isn’t about race. You play a stupid game and you just might win a stupid prize.

If what Trump does ends up not working out, you will get what you want. You are adamantly opposing every single move. This is where I have an issue. Neither side have all the right ideas. You blanket every decision he makes as the wrong one. Before you get to see the end result. Nearly everything Biden touched turned to shit because we got to see the ended result. There was no reason to let the border be open. None. Other than to buy votes. Instead of blaming Trump for this, he isn’t the reason they are here and in this spot. He has already made mistakes in his presidency. He will continue to make mistakes. He wouldn’t be the first or last president to promise things day one and not be able to deliver. But you can see him working every day. He is in the news doing something every day. That by itself is at least reassuring. I don’t expect him to be perfect. And if he is wrong in what he does so be it, but what we have been doing wasn’t working.
Under Trump we
they are doing it......Apple, Toyota, Honda, Hyundaiake
 
Until the next Prez comes along. No guarantee he/she will adopt the same policies (tariffs)…..and as someone pointed out earlier, it takes time for the process to work.

There has to be compromise somewhere. It’s all a gamble, as long as it’s not an all or nothing gamble.
Sure it’s a gamble but you won’t know if you don’t try it.
 
So the car industry should just eat the tariffs? And isn't Trump essentially arguing for price controls? Seems to me when Kamala campaigned on stopping price gouging all the Reps were screaming price controls OMG!!! I can't hear you now.


This will help his buddy Elon.

Everyone on the planet knows this is a tactic, and even if they are implemented it'll be for a short period of time because other countries will capitulate. My Q for you is why are you not willing to fight and pay for a short while to make things better in the long run when you were perfectly willing to pay through the nose when Biden, Obama and their globalist sycophants were wasting billions on BS?

Are you not willing to fight for your children and your fellow countrymen?
 
Everyone on the planet knows this is a tactic, and even if they are implemented it'll be for a short period of time because other countries will capitulate. My Q for you is why are you not willing to fight and pay for a short while to make things better in the long run when you were perfectly willing to pay through the nose when Biden, Obama and their globalist sycophants were wasting billions on BS?

Are you not willing to fight for your children and your fellow countrymen?
 
What you suggest would be extremely unwieldy and difficult to implement.

Is it based off of the commitment of investment budget? A commitment of $1b in plant investment is very different for Toyota versus Honda versus Mazda versus the European OEMs given the current size and scale of their US businesses. Or perhaps it’s based off a formula as a percentage of current sales or production?

Any of those options get complicated very quickly and risk the administration playing favorites.

Speaking of, guess which company most clearly benefits from these new tariffs. Tesla, and it isn’t even close! They have the cleanest supply chain and all of the vehicles sold in the US are currently made here, which GM and Ford can’t claim. Tesla also happens to be the company most at risk from the threat from new Chinese EV imports.

Shocker, right?


So you feel all of your pals who suffered so badly from inflation under Biden will have no issue with more cost of living increases for the next few years because it’s all going to work out great later?

Current polling suggests that Trump and the GOP are going struggle mightily if “Day One” has turned into “Suffer more now for a brighter future late”.

But hey, at least we are shipping brown people who have never been charged with a crime off to outsourced concentration camps in El Salvador, so we’ve got that going for us.
The "suffer now, it will be better later" argument is probably the most ridiculous thing I have seen in politics since the Democrats had the audacity to cause a government spending increase the "inflation reduction act." Complete idiocy reigns on both sides of the political spectrum.
 
Everyone on the planet knows this is a tactic, and even if they are implemented it'll be for a short period of time because other countries will capitulate. My Q for you is why are you not willing to fight and pay for a short while to make things better in the long run when you were perfectly willing to pay through the nose when Biden, Obama and their globalist sycophants were wasting billions on BS?

Are you not willing to fight for your children and your fellow countrymen?
Some additional "suffer now" incoming from this "conservative" administration.


 
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There’s always an excuse for the deterioration of rights.

Due process for all is as fundamental of a Constitutional right as we have. Of course deportations are easier when you dispense with it. We could scotch the Bill of Rights and it would be easier for the government to do a lot of things. The entire point of constitutionally granted rights is that they are so important that they must be protected when it’s difficult for the state, not when it’s easy.

Do you really think it stops with supposed Venezuelan gang members? Why not domestic gang members who are full citizens? Or citizens accused of murder?

If the SCOTUS decides that due process is no longer an inviolable right, things are going to get very ugly very quickly.
There’s no agenda here other than getting rid of violent illegal aliens that hurt or kill Americans. Not everything needs to be viewed in a political lens. Sometimes Trump is right.
 
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