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Gabriel Sterling is a GA republican who works for Brad Raffensperger. All of you still supporting the stolen election narrative should taker a long look in the mirror. Ask yourself if Trump's callous disregard for the welfare of innocent people simply doing their jobs really represents who you are and what you want our country to be.

 
Gabriel Sterling is a GA republican who works for Brad Raffensperger. All of you still supporting the stolen election narrative should taker a long look in the mirror. Ask yourself if Trump's callous disregard for the welfare of innocent people simply doing their jobs really represents who you are and what you want our country to be.

There have been people threatened that wanted to testify about dominion issues. But that’s different.
 
There have been people threatened that wanted to testify about dominion issues. But that’s different.
Again, that is Trump fanning the flames. So not different. Nor is it different that anyone making threats over this election should all be treated the same.
 
you should do the same about the rioting and people being harassed while simply trying to have a meal, while Joementia has done little to nothing but blame right wing groups and smear the police, Kamala actively campaigned for bail money for rioters and convicted felons, when your done with that and you are comfortable with that representing who you are get back to me, the head of the GSA was threatened with her life, her family, her pets for not releasing some of Biden's transition money after Joementia begged his sheeps for transition money last week and blaming Emily for not recognizing him as the winner before states had certified their elections
 
you should do the same about the rioting and people being harassed while simply trying to have a meal, while Joementia has done little to nothing but blame right wing groups and smear the police, Kamala actively campaigned for bail money for rioters and convicted felons, when your done with that and you are comfortable with that representing who you are get back to me, the head of the GSA was threatened with her life, her family, her pets for not releasing some of Biden's transition money after Joementia begged his sheeps for transition money last week and blaming Emily for not recognizing him as the winner before states had certified their elections

such we enter the anger stage of grief

at least we are getting past denial finally
 
Thankfully he didn’t get on the bad side of the Clintons.. they know how to get it DONE.
 
Gabriel Sterling is a GA republican who works for Brad Raffensperger. All of you still supporting the stolen election narrative should taker a long look in the mirror. Ask yourself if Trump's callous disregard for the welfare of innocent people simply doing their jobs really represents who you are and what you want our country to be.

Is his name Jussie Smollet? Asking for friend.

Let’s all condemn the fascists...I mean Democrat socialists who left bodybags on the front porch of 4 republican senators.
 
you should do the same about the rioting and people being harassed while simply trying to have a meal, while Joementia has done little to nothing but blame right wing groups and smear the police, Kamala actively campaigned for bail money for rioters and convicted felons, when your done with that and you are comfortable with that representing who you are get back to me, the head of the GSA was threatened with her life, her family, her pets for not releasing some of Biden's transition money after Joementia begged his sheeps for transition money last week and blaming Emily for not recognizing him as the winner before states had certified their elections

Right wing militia types started a lot of that violence genius. Just go look at the arrests the DOJ made on all that. Most of them were militia types.
 
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Right wing militia types started a lot of that violence genius. Just go look at the arrests the DOJ made on all that. Most of them were militia types.
That’s been debunked. But you never fail to divert from your assigned talking points, I’ll give you credit for that.
 
Is his name Jussie Smollet? Asking for friend.

Let’s all condemn the fascists...I mean Democrat socialists who left bodybags on the front porch of 4 republican senators.
Stray, should we not be holding the POTUS to a high standard? Show me where any leader in the Democratic Party has once said anything as inflammatory as what Trump tweets multiple times a day.

What or who has the President not attempted to trash to serve his own ends? Bill Barr and the Justice Department, the CIA, the FBI, loyal Republican Party members at the state level, Kris Krebs (by all accounts a talented and loyal Republican who did his job), low level poll workers, everyone is disposable in his weak attempt to overturn an election he lost and lost by a lot.

I thought integrity and character were important to conservatives and by every possible measure Trump has none of either. And expect for more to come to light once he is out of office.
 
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Stray, should we not be holding the POTUS to a high standard? Show me where any leader in the Democratic Party has once said anything as inflammatory as what Trump tweets multiple times a day.

What or who has the President not attempted to trash to serve his own ends? Bill Barr and the Justice Department, the CIA, the FBI, loyal Republican Party members at the state level, Kris Krebs (by all accounts a talented and loyal Republican who did his job), low level poll workers, everyone is disposable in his weak attempt to overturn an election he lost and lost by a lot.

I thought integrity and character were important to conservatives and by every possible measure Trump has none of either. And expect for more to come to light once he is out of office.
Its not what dims say, its what they do.
 
Stray, should we not be holding the POTUS to a high standard? Show me where any leader in the Democratic Party has once said anything as inflammatory as what Trump tweets multiple times a day.

What or who has the President not attempted to trash to serve his own ends? Bill Barr and the Justice Department, the CIA, the FBI, loyal Republican Party members at the state level, Kris Krebs (by all accounts a talented and loyal Republican who did his job), low level poll workers, everyone is disposable in his weak attempt to overturn an election he lost and lost by a lot.

I thought integrity and character were important to conservatives and by every possible measure Trump has none of either. And expect for more to come to light once he is out of office.

Obama literally told his supporters to get up in their faces. He also said he'd like to send Mr. Burgess to get Sean Hannity, he'd tear him up. He also made many divisive statements about police depts which was followed up by officers being assassinated and of course he made the knife to a gunfight analogy.

The POTUS elect has a long history of racist and divisive remarks. Schools will be a jungle, black woman stocking shelves, he wants to put ya'll back in chains and on and on.

The POTUS in waiting made several statements about the protests/riots continuing and advocated bailing out real violent criminals.

Then you can go back and find all the unifying statements by prominent dems comparing W and Trump to Hitler and calling them fascist. The truth of the matter is dems hated Trump so much because he played politics like a Dem.
 
Stray, should we not be holding the POTUS to a high standard? Show me where any leader in the Democratic Party has once said anything as inflammatory as what Trump tweets multiple times a day.

What or who has the President not attempted to trash to serve his own ends? Bill Barr and the Justice Department, the CIA, the FBI, loyal Republican Party members at the state level, Kris Krebs (by all accounts a talented and loyal Republican who did his job), low level poll workers, everyone is disposable in his weak attempt to overturn an election he lost and lost by a lot.

I thought integrity and character were important to conservatives and by every possible measure Trump has none of either. And expect for more to come to light once he is out of office.
We have been told for 4 years about all of this stuff that would "come to light" by the intelligence community and congressmen, and it never does. They have been examining Trump's stool samples for years and still can't find anything.

Now, what about all the Biden stuff that HAS come to light and has been completely ignored by an incurious media and an intelligence community that has been politicized over the last 50 years. The same community who claimed they had evidence which they could never produce because it didn't exist. I have faith you will eventually see all the lies you have been told by your completely honest and honorable federal bureaucrats.

Now back to holding people to standards. The standards put forth in this post is about Trump needing to condemn everything everyone does or says that the other side disagrees with sees as some sort of racist trope. Of course, my response was the complete hypocrisy of a media who NEVER asks Biden or any other politician to condemn anything. Hasn't asked them to condemn any of the following..
ANTIFA
BLM(The organization, not the sentiment)
Rioting & looting & burning
Congressmen encouraging people to threaten those who don't act or talk like they say they should
People in Oregon sabotaging railroad tracks
and on and on and on.
There is a manipulative reason for asking Trump and others to condemn things. If you don't condemn it they lead with the headline that you won't condemn it so you must support it. If you do condemn it, then you own it as part of your campaign. Ultimately, the narrative stays the same and that is the point. I know you can see this.

The FBI and CIA have been corrupted and we all know this, mainly the leadership. They have been exposed and no one should back down from criticizing the unelected bureaucrats. It wasn't so long ago the Dems said the exact same thing. The real hypocrites in this are the old loyal republicans(RINOs) you mention and almost all of the current Dems. This is the swamp and is what is tearing our country apart. It's the DC ruling class vs. the serfs.

A government scared of it's people is democracy(or Republic like us), a people scared of it's government is tyranny. There really is no middle ground.

I love you brother WIlldup, keep the conversation going and corruption will continue to be exposed. I just think you are looking under the wrong rock. Check out some of the others, they are all over the place.
 
We have been told for 4 years about all of this stuff that would "come to light" by the intelligence community and congressmen, and it never does. They have been examining Trump's stool samples for years and still can't find anything.

Now, what about all the Biden stuff that HAS come to light and has been completely ignored by an incurious media and an intelligence community that has been politicized over the last 50 years. The same community who claimed they had evidence which they could never produce because it didn't exist. I have faith you will eventually see all the lies you have been told by your completely honest and honorable federal bureaucrats.

Now back to holding people to standards. The standards put forth in this post is about Trump needing to condemn everything everyone does or says that the other side disagrees with sees as some sort of racist trope. Of course, my response was the complete hypocrisy of a media who NEVER asks Biden or any other politician to condemn anything. Hasn't asked them to condemn any of the following..
ANTIFA
BLM(The organization, not the sentiment)
Rioting & looting & burning
Congressmen encouraging people to threaten those who don't act or talk like they say they should
People in Oregon sabotaging railroad tracks
and on and on and on.
There is a manipulative reason for asking Trump and others to condemn things. If you don't condemn it they lead with the headline that you won't condemn it so you must support it. If you do condemn it, then you own it as part of your campaign. Ultimately, the narrative stays the same and that is the point. I know you can see this.

The FBI and CIA have been corrupted and we all know this, mainly the leadership. They have been exposed and no one should back down from criticizing the unelected bureaucrats. It wasn't so long ago the Dems said the exact same thing. The real hypocrites in this are the old loyal republicans(RINOs) you mention and almost all of the current Dems. This is the swamp and is what is tearing our country apart. It's the DC ruling class vs. the serfs.

A government scared of it's people is democracy(or Republic like us), a people scared of it's government is tyranny. There really is no middle ground.

I love you brother WIlldup, keep the conversation going and corruption will continue to be exposed. I just think you are looking under the wrong rock. Check out some of the others, they are all over the place.

a few Biden quotes found in 1 minute of searching:

"I want to be very clear about all of this: Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted," Biden said. "Violence will not bring change, it will only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way."

"Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not. "

“There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”
 
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We have been told for 4 years about all of this stuff that would "come to light" by the intelligence community and congressmen, and it never does. They have been examining Trump's stool samples for years and still can't find anything.

Now, what about all the Biden stuff that HAS come to light and has been completely ignored by an incurious media and an intelligence community that has been politicized over the last 50 years. The same community who claimed they had evidence which they could never produce because it didn't exist. I have faith you will eventually see all the lies you have been told by your completely honest and honorable federal bureaucrats.

Now back to holding people to standards. The standards put forth in this post is about Trump needing to condemn everything everyone does or says that the other side disagrees with sees as some sort of racist trope. Of course, my response was the complete hypocrisy of a media who NEVER asks Biden or any other politician to condemn anything. Hasn't asked them to condemn any of the following..
ANTIFA
BLM(The organization, not the sentiment)
Rioting & looting & burning
Congressmen encouraging people to threaten those who don't act or talk like they say they should
People in Oregon sabotaging railroad tracks
and on and on and on.
There is a manipulative reason for asking Trump and others to condemn things. If you don't condemn it they lead with the headline that you won't condemn it so you must support it. If you do condemn it, then you own it as part of your campaign. Ultimately, the narrative stays the same and that is the point. I know you can see this.

The FBI and CIA have been corrupted and we all know this, mainly the leadership. They have been exposed and no one should back down from criticizing the unelected bureaucrats. It wasn't so long ago the Dems said the exact same thing. The real hypocrites in this are the old loyal republicans(RINOs) you mention and almost all of the current Dems. This is the swamp and is what is tearing our country apart. It's the DC ruling class vs. the serfs.

A government scared of it's people is democracy(or Republic like us), a people scared of it's government is tyranny. There really is no middle ground.

I love you brother WIlldup, keep the conversation going and corruption will continue to be exposed. I just think you are looking under the wrong rock. Check out some of the others, they are all over the place.

here's him condemning Antifa in response to a direct media question:

On Sept. 7, 2020, four days after police shot and killed a self-declared anti-fascist activist in Washington state as they moved in to arrest him on suspicion he had fatally shot a right-wing counter protester in Portland, Oregon, Biden condemned Antifa in an interview with Pennsylvania NBC News affiliate WGAL (here). Asked by reporter Barbara Barr, “Do you condemn Antifa?” Biden responded, “Yes I do—violence no matter who it is.”
 
here's him condemning Antifa in response to a direct media question:

On Sept. 7, 2020, four days after police shot and killed a self-declared anti-fascist activist in Washington state as they moved in to arrest him on suspicion he had fatally shot a right-wing counter protester in Portland, Oregon, Biden condemned Antifa in an interview with Pennsylvania NBC News affiliate WGAL (here). Asked by reporter Barbara Barr, “Do you condemn Antifa?” Biden responded, “Yes I do—violence no matter who it is.”
Now do Kamala....or better yet, post the 73 times Trump had to condemn the racists in Charlottesville...even though he had done it immediately afterwards with out having to be asked. Deny all you want but the hypocrisy is on full display.
 
here's him condemning Antifa in response to a direct media question:

On Sept. 7, 2020, four days after police shot and killed a self-declared anti-fascist activist in Washington state as they moved in to arrest him on suspicion he had fatally shot a right-wing counter protester in Portland, Oregon, Biden condemned Antifa in an interview with Pennsylvania NBC News affiliate WGAL (here). Asked by reporter Barbara Barr, “Do you condemn Antifa?” Biden responded, “Yes I do—violence no matter who it is.”

 
a few Biden quotes found in 1 minute of searching:

"I want to be very clear about all of this: Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted," Biden said. "Violence will not bring change, it will only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way."

"Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not. "

“There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”
Now, show me where he condemned Kamala for helping bail all of them out of jail?
 
Now do Kamala....or better yet, post the 73 times Trump had to condemn the racists in Charlottesville...even though he had done it immediately afterwards with out having to be asked. Deny all you want but the hypocrisy is on full display.

I only commented given you were making false claims that were easily disproved. I'll stop here before wasting both of our time as you'll just move the goalpost again whenever I correct you.
 
First off , I don’t believe anyone should threaten another person and if they do they should pay the price . Secondly, I am tired of people blaming Trump for other people actions . Third he and the sec of state ran a clown show of a election. Now they want to play victim. People have the right to voice their displeasure. If you don’t like that ; then get out of the kitchen .

he and the sec of state failed .If they don’t do any better the run off will be a failure to. I say voice your displeasure but don’t threaten anyone . You can voice displeasure and tell em off without breaking the law .
 
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First off , I don’t believe anyone should threaten another person and if they do they should pay the price . Secondly, I am tired of people blaming Trump for other people actions . Third he and the sec of state ran a clown show of a election. Now they want to play victim. People have the right to voice their displeasure. If you don’t like that ; then get out of the kitchen .

he and the sec of state failed .If they don’t do any better the run off will be a failure to. I say voice your displeasure but don’t threaten anyone . You can voice displeasure and tell em off without breaking the law .
I have to respectfully call BS on this take. The President has been saying the only way he could lose the election is if it is stolen from him, and by extension, stolen from his loyal supporters. He has been saying this since last year at least. His accusations are wide ranging and have to date been proven entirely baseless in multiple court cases. To absolve Trump of responsibility for the deep sense of injustice his followers feel, and the threats and violence that follow, is to suggest that no rhetoric matters, regardless of who it originates from, how inflammatory it is and how factually incorrect it is.
 
I have to respectfully call BS on this take. The President has been saying the only way he could lose the election is if it is stolen from him, and by extension, stolen from his loyal supporters. He has been saying this since last year at least. His accusations are wide ranging and have to date been proven entirely baseless in multiple court cases. To absolve Trump of responsibility for the deep sense of injustice his followers feel, and the threats and violence that follow, is to suggest that no rhetoric matters, regardless of who it originates from, how inflammatory it is and how factually incorrect it is.
Come on brother, let's not fall for the bait. Why do people continue to keep repeating this unfounded fear that some Trump supporters may throw a temper tantrum and commit some sort of violence while we have months worth, if not years worth of actual violence committed by people on the other side.

There is not rhetoric from Trump that exceeds what we have seen from Democratic lawmakers.
 
I have to respectfully call BS on this take. The President has been saying the only way he could lose the election is if it is stolen from him, and by extension, stolen from his loyal supporters. He has been saying this since last year at least. His accusations are wide ranging and have to date been proven entirely baseless in multiple court cases. To absolve Trump of responsibility for the deep sense of injustice his followers feel, and the threats and violence that follow, is to suggest that no rhetoric matters, regardless of who it originates from, how inflammatory it is and how factually incorrect it is.

There a lot of questions that needs to be answer . When you hiding like Kemp has and this fool playing victim then it causes more issues .

this is the same guy that made a Georgia/Florida game joke . Cry me a river .
 
Come on brother, let's not fall for the bait. Why do people continue to keep repeating this unfounded fear that some Trump supporters may throw a temper tantrum and commit some sort of violence while we have months worth, if not years worth of actual violence committed by people on the other side.

There is not rhetoric from Trump that exceeds what we have seen from Democratic lawmakers.

Anecdotally, seems like right wing violence is less common but far more deadly while left wing violence is more common but relatively less violent.

Various outlets have published data that a significant majority of politically motivated murders are perpetrated by right wing extremists
 
I have to respectfully call BS on this take. The President has been saying the only way he could lose the election is if it is stolen from him, and by extension, stolen from his loyal supporters. He has been saying this since last year at least. His accusations are wide ranging and have to date been proven entirely baseless in multiple court cases. To absolve Trump of responsibility for the deep sense of injustice his followers feel, and the threats and violence that follow, is to suggest that no rhetoric matters, regardless of who it originates from, how inflammatory it is and how factually incorrect it is.
The man knew what he was talking about re the election just like he did the vaccine. His crime is not tip toeing around the libs like so many have been guilted and threatened to do. Hope he keeps it up for the sake of future elections. Maybe people will be more inclined to keep watch in the future. This ones shot. Now joe gets 4 years of what Trump got Best case is 2024 is legit.
 
Gabriel Sterling is a GA republican who works for Brad Raffensperger. All of you still supporting the stolen election narrative should taker a long look in the mirror. Ask yourself if Trump's callous disregard for the welfare of innocent people simply doing their jobs really represents who you are and what you want our country to be.

Cry me a river
 
The man knew what he was talking about re the election just like he did the vaccine. His crime is not tip toeing around the libs like so many have been guilted and threatened to do. Hope he keeps it up for the sake of future elections. Maybe people will be more inclined to keep watch in the future. This ones shot. Now joe gets 4 years of what Trump got Best case is 2024 is legit.
So you agree that Trump has been such an outstanding president, with such a broad base of support, that the only way he could have possibly lost this election is because of widespread fraud across multiple states? It is not even possible that he could lose a free and fair election? That’s what he is saying and has said for over a year and it is a delusional view of Trump’s political reality.

You and millions of others may think he has been outstanding and deserves another term, but I assume you can admit that there are many millions who disagree with that. Regardless of whether you blame him or not, COVID is a hell of an obstacle to overcome in an election year. It’s actually amazing the election was as close as it was and I believe were it not for the pandemic Trump would have won by a lot.
 
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So you agree that Trump has been such an outstanding president, with such a broad base of support, that the only way he could have possibly lost this election is because of widespread fraud across multiple states? It is not even possible that he could lose a free and fair election? That’s what he is saying and has said for over a year and it is a delusional view of Trump’s political reality.

You and millions of others may think he has been outstanding and deserves another term, but I assume you can admit that there are many millions who disagree with that. Regardless of whether you blame him or not, COVID is a hell of an obstacle to overcome in an election year. It’s actually amazing the election was as close as it was and I believe were it not for the pandemic Trump would have won by a lot.
You were willing to accept one anonymous “whistleblower” as factual and grounds for impeachment. MSM covered 24-7. Schiff and his bozos preached of his patriotism and conveyed his purported testimony as the gospel. Now the 100’s of whistleblowers that actually come foreword to testify under oath are ignored and discredited.
 
You were willing to accept one anonymous “whistleblower” as factual and grounds for impeachment. MSM covered 24-7. Schiff and his bozos preached of his patriotism and conveyed his purported testimony as the gospel. Now the 100’s of whistleblowers that actually come foreword to testify under oath are ignored and discredited.

1) You didn't answer my question. Are you saying it is an impossibility that Trump could lose a fair election?

2) The whistleblower prompted an investigation that followed the defined process for such an investigation. Multiple credible witnesses testified under oath and before the House and the process included other evidence such as recordings of calls that supported the accusations.

Trump's efforts to pursue this issue in court has been dismissed at every turn, often by republican appointed judges, due to the total absence of credible witnesses and evidence. But I guess in your world the entire judiciary is in on the steal as well.
 
1) You didn't answer my question. Are you saying it is an impossibility that Trump could lose a fair election?

2) The whistleblower prompted an investigation that followed the defined process for such an investigation. Multiple credible witnesses testified under oath and before the House and the process included other evidence such as recordings of calls that supported the accusations.

Trump's efforts to pursue this issue in court has been dismissed at every turn, often by republican appointed judges, due to the total absence of credible witnesses and evidence. But I guess in your world the entire judiciary is in on the steal as well.


1. Impossible? Of course not but based on his performance in econ polling, number of votes received, increase in support from AAs and Hispanics and the almost statistical impossibilities of Biden's surge in mail ins in swing states ONLY, performance in historical bell weather counties, it makes the possibility of a legit loss unlikely. It also lends credibility to the idea that several counties that stopped counting, cleared the rooms of poll watchers and then resumed counting may have had nefarious intentions.

2. BS. The whistle blowers superior was on the call and stated he found nothing wrong with the call. Additionally, the BS about violating the established policy for Ukraine by Trump subordinates ignored the fact that POTUS gets to establish the policy.

Finally, evidence of a crime doesn't always prove a crime. I'm fully capable of accepting the outcome of this election and Biden is going to be my POTUS unless something earth shattering occurs. I will oppose his policies but I'm not going to sew a gonad hat and threaten to blow anything up or call myself a naaaaasssssty man. However, I like a plurality of Americans believe ballot harvesting and mass mail in votes have no place in a fair, honest, transparent election.

I know we don't see eye to eye from a policy stand point but I would think every American would be suspicious of anyone granted power over them. I've never had a problem with a media that tries to keep Pubs honest. That is their job. I just don't understand how Libs keep supporting people that piss on your boots and tell you it's raining. I would think you would want your pols being monitored and a media exposing their warts as well. Otherwise, you keep sending poor kids to dangerous schools, folks keep shitting in the streets in Dem cities and a purposefully divided citizenry stays at each other's throat.
 
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