Vote for the communist. Everything is free
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True, but when JFK was President, the middle class was strong, had hope for the future, and companies were loyal to their employees. Today the middle class has been decimated by politicians and the wealthy business interests who fund them, and they no longer have any loyalty to their employees. They ship millions of jobs over seas to save a few bucks and increase their profit margins, while they slash benefits and insurance.
It's an entirely different world.
it sounds like you might be buying in, if so , tell me who is going to pay for it ? we are already $19 trillion in debt and closing in on $20 trillion , you just said the middle class is decimated , so they can't afford any more taxes to pay for anything !
Unions, gov't regulation and minimum wage choked industry in our country. As a result, manufacturing, either died or moved overseas. Welfare is also a factor. There was no "Great Society" when Kennedy was President. Middle class is a casualty when there is no middle management for low skilled jobs. Loyalty doesn't have much to do with free market capitalism. Politicians use that as an excuse.
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This is just incorrect. Most manufacturing cars, steel, and other manual labor jobs moved overseas because it is infinitely cheaper to have someone paid less than $20 a day build a car than $20 an hour. We won't ever compete for building Legos or cheap cars with Mexico or China. The same thing will happen to China as labor costs increase there in the next 20 years. Most likely India and South America will become the next cheap labor force. This has nothing to do with unions. Sorry. It's just math unless you believe an American can live on $20 a day. Which I don't believe you do. Blame unions and but it's disingenuous. It's just math
It was a lot of things ... mostly well-intended, but the 'free' stuff just got to be too easy to get for too many people - it made people lazy. perpetually lazy. We've never recovered.
That was exactly my point. Labor and regulation became too expensive. Add welfare to the equation, and we have a recipe for massive unemployment. Why are we trying to allow illegal immigrants to flood the country? So we can get them to do the jobs we're paying others not to. Sounds simplistic, but there's a lot of truth to it.
Wait. Labor became too expensive? What should labor have done about globalization of markets? Should the us have tried to move back to third world living standards so the labor could compete with tiawon, Mexico and China? That's not American labors fault that just progress.
On a side bar note related to your second point, all economically advancing nations rely on cheap labor. It used to be slavery, now for first world nations is commonly illegal migrant workers. Which without presently our country would be in trouble. It's not to get them to do the jobs we're paying others to not do.... It's jobs first world denizens won't do and haven't done for centuries. Again, slavery in the past. Also, to be competitive in a globalized market, particularity in food crops, American labor would be too expensive so we import illegal labor. That's not labors fault. That's math again.
I don't disagree with that. And, I'm not blaming labor for the state of our workforce. Just speaking in general. Of course, globalization moved jobs overseas, but that didn't happen until the late 80's and 90's. However, OSHA, EPA . labor laws, and collective bargaining drove the cost to the point where companies had to search for other avenues to survive, or went completely under. We simply could not compete anymore, starting in the 70's. The days of a kid graduating from HS, getting a job a the local mill are gone. Is that progress? Maybe. We have a huge portion of our population now that stands no chance of living a productive life. This breeds resentment and dependence. And we import cheap labor at the same time. Just doesn't make sense.
I work in hospitals. Ridiculous amount of rules and guidelines implemented by gov't that costs the industry(ultimately you an me) an insane amount of money. Heck, the VA chokes itself on it to it's current state. In my opinion, we need to deregulate, implement a slow welfare reform, eliminate the minimum wage, and cut the corporate tax rate. It's the only way to gain full employment. Never happen, though.
I work in hospitals. Ridiculous amount of rules and guidelines implemented by gov't that costs the industry(ultimately you an me) an insane amount of money. Heck, the VA chokes itself on it to it's current state. In my opinion, we need to deregulate, implement a slow welfare reform, eliminate the minimum wage, and cut the corporate tax rate. It's the only way to gain full employment. Never happen, though.
