then ran up trillions on the nations credit card. Bill has come due.
W. kicked a gas can over in the middle east, lit a match,
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Please stop, quit blaming the wrong people*
HAHAHAHAhahaha .... Wait, is this a serious post?
The problem is we didn't finish the drill
We pulled the troops too soon.
Like moths to flame the libs just love them some Islamist !!!!
But the liberal minds do seem set on not blaming a terrorist for terror
but blaming all crisis on Bush. It does smack of self loathing or something
I can't put my finger on. Help me out here. What is that?
but blaming all crisis on Bush. It does smack of self loathing or something
I can't put my finger on. Help me out here. What is that?
Explain that to the 241 Marines killed in Beirut over 30 years ago! This crap started to raise its ugly head 35 years ago.
Typical liberal SOB, blame America first. America didn't start this $hit.
Maybe not, but the nonsensical war in Iraq based on lies certainly didn't help matters.
Convenient memory some have, everyone voted for the war based on the same intelligence shared around the world....
Classic Hillary flip flop....
Classic Hillary flip flop....
Selective Memory, L&H. Very few resident liberals selectively recall the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, during the B.J. (Bill Jefferson) Clinton years.Or maybe they're just ignorant...
See above, moron. it wasn't lies from W that lead to the Iraq war, but a continuation of B.J. (Bill Jefferson) Clinton's policies.
You were spoon fed the liberal media narrative, and you ate it up like the good sheep you are. Pathetic.
I'm glad Barry changed all that, balanced the budget, created "full" employment, took millions off of entitlements, while re-establishing the U.S. as the leader of the free world. BTW.........."don't cross this red line"..........LOL!
LOL! So it was Bill Clinton who ordered the Iraq war? Whatever helps you sleep at night. The lies weren't just about weapons of mass destruction you idiot. They were also linking Iraq to 9/11. There was not one shred of evidence that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, and they knew it. If it was about 9/11, we should have invaded Saudi Arabia. They support more terrorists than just about anyone in the Middle East. Hell, our own government has trained, funded, and armed terrorists, even if we didn't know it at the time. What do you think we were doing during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. We're making those same mistakes today by funding rebels in Syria who are likely just as bad as Bin Laden and his fools were.
As for Clinton, nobody gives a damn what Clinton says in that video, unless you're suggesting that Bush was a puppet controlled by Clinton. Bush was his own man, his presidency was his own. His decisions are what led to the Iraq war and they were his decisions and his alone. He and his war mongering fools Cheney and Wolfowitz are to blame.
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I would like for all Right Wingers on the board to go read a book called "Cobra II". It breaks down the lead up to the war, Bush administration fallacies and how their move to disband the Iraqi army has led to the raise of ISIS. This book isn't some left wing propaganda piece but written by retired USMC Lt Gen. Trainor and Michael Gordon (chief military correspondent for the NY Times).
I remember being absolutely shocked at all the pie in the sky assumptions that were being made and who the administration was taking advise from. It breaks down very plainly that Iraq II was without a doubt the biggest military blunder in American military history. Please read before you throw your weight behind Bush and Rumsfeld.
Now I'm not going to sit here and defend everything that Obama has done in the middle east. Pulling out of Iraq on the BUSH NEGOTIATED DATE was the right thing to do because the Iraqis wouldn't grant American military personnel immunity from prosecution. Sorry that was a deal breaking and Reagan himself would have done the something. But he has been slow to react in Syria and should have armed the Kurdish rebels sooner than was done. Now would that have done much good, probably not, ISIS would have still taken Mosul Iraq and have of western Iraq but it could have potentially slowed them down. That being said, these missteps don't even compare to the blunders and incompetency of the Bush administration.
History will show that Bush's foreign policy has done more damage to not only the American image abroad but be proven as a pivotal moment for the entire world that won't be viewed very favorably. Actually it's already viewed that way by the rest of the world except for the right wing American public.
Again please people do some research on how detrimental the decision of going into Iraq was and how those terrible decision will affect our nation and the world for years to come.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_II
http://www.amazon.com/Cobra-II-Inside-Invasion-Occupation/dp/1400075394
I remember being absolutely shocked at all the pie in the sky assumptions that were being made and who the administration was taking advise from. It breaks down very plainly that Iraq II was without a doubt the biggest military blunder in American military history. Please read before you throw your weight behind Bush and Rumsfeld.
Now I'm not going to sit here and defend everything that Obama has done in the middle east. Pulling out of Iraq on the BUSH NEGOTIATED DATE was the right thing to do because the Iraqis wouldn't grant American military personnel immunity from prosecution. Sorry that was a deal breaking and Reagan himself would have done the something. But he has been slow to react in Syria and should have armed the Kurdish rebels sooner than was done. Now would that have done much good, probably not, ISIS would have still taken Mosul Iraq and have of western Iraq but it could have potentially slowed them down. That being said, these missteps don't even compare to the blunders and incompetency of the Bush administration.
History will show that Bush's foreign policy has done more damage to not only the American image abroad but be proven as a pivotal moment for the entire world that won't be viewed very favorably. Actually it's already viewed that way by the rest of the world except for the right wing American public.
Again please people do some research on how detrimental the decision of going into Iraq was and how those terrible decision will affect our nation and the world for years to come.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_II
http://www.amazon.com/Cobra-II-Inside-Invasion-Occupation/dp/1400075394
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Here is the thing you miss Country, sure everyone thought Saddam had WMD's but no one was willing to go to war because there were questions about the reliability of the source of the information that Iraq had WMDs. And it turns out that Bill was right not to pull the trigger on war because the source of the information was lying. But Bush charged head first into war and didn't stop to consider the possibility that the source was lying. His foolhardy charge into war has cost the American public over two trillion in debt and over 4500 American Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines their lives.
No WE finished the drill, then the Anti American morons elected and anti American POS and he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
Rolo just because you don't like it, doesn't make it a fact. Fact is Bush f'd up and now the entire world is paying the price. Why to go you Neo-con
Lol so you say Obama should have left American military forces in Iraq with no protection from potential Iraqi prosecution. Sounds like you don't care about our military member that much
Put it this way Rolo, I wouldn't be surprised if in 25 years there's a class taught at West Point titled "How not to go to war, An indictment of the Bush Administrations run up to Iraq II"
No, the BULLSHIT is that they weren't protected. Its just more lies to cover POSOTUS ass. See that's the problems with you liberals, you've been living the lies your massa's use to control you do long, you can't tell the difference.
Bill was right not to pull the trigger?! wtf? Bill didn't have the coalition nor the ballz to pull the trigger. Unlike Bush, who had both. Moreover, If Clinton had pulled the trigger you'd be sitting here defending him with passion; rightfully so, imo. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Bush fan and many mistakes were made. However... We've had enough of blaming Bush for the middle east crisis, incorrectly, to last a lifetime. It was Clinton's policy, own it. Every member of Congress voted for it, including Democrats who were privy to the exact same intelligence, so own it. You're not smart enough to realize you've been indoctrinated over the years from the liberal, left-wing media mantra. They've corrupted you're mind, son.
I get it, we didn't find WMDs; I don't need nor welcome another lecture on it. But the fact that 300,000 men, women, and children murdered and lying in mass graves with bullets in the backs of their heads clearly justifies taking Saddam and his henchmen out. Furthermore, we have evidence and know for a fact WMDs were used on the Kurds. No one disputes that fact.
This is an all volunteer Military. Our men and women of the Armed Forces realize exactly what they're signing up for when they signed the dotted line, my family included. In addition, if you're so worried about the debt why don't you rail against your dear savior BO and his incessant debt? I'll tell you why- because your debt synopsis is nothing more than a left-wing talking point to try and further incriminate a Republican.
What so now you're trying to blame Bush going into Iraq on Clinton even though Clinton never ordered troops or advocated while in office for an American invasion of Iraq? Sorry but that dog don't hunt my friend
The Chief U.N. inspector Hans Blix repeatedly warned that Iraq was cooperating with inspectors and that no WMD had been found. Bush administration ignored he's advise and thus began the world down this road and conflict that we see now.
Also I'm an 18 year vet and plan on serving well past my 20 years. I would hope that our leaders would actually think before sending me and my fellow service members to die on some foreign soul. You know actually think is this worth the price. If you had family members that had died in this conflict, would you serious be able to go to their grave site and be able to say "you died for something" or "this war was worth your life". GTFOOH.
Thank you for your service, sir.
You obviously didn't watch the video. It was Clinton Policy to change the Iraqi regime, in addition to 17 UN resolutions later, and plenty of intelligence, and a vote from Congress. If it had been Clinton or BO who proceeded to change this regime with troop on the ground and a huge coalition with the world behind them at the time, i have no doubts, you'd be here defending them with passion.
My only point is- to simply place blame squarely on Bush/Cheney is completely wrong. However, that is all we've heard from the Liberal, Left-wing Media for the past 10-12 years. It's clearly sunken in to more than a few liberal noggins.
Furthermore, before we took troops out of Iraq and lost all gains while allowing a void to be filled with Isis, I was proud of what was happening in a stable Iraq. Now, not so much. BO's actions have left us in a mess. UGTFOOH, lol.
*****Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.
Authorizes the President, after notifying specified congressional committees, to provide to the Iraqi democratic opposition organizations: (1) grant assistance for radio and television broadcasting to Iraq; (2) Department of Defense (DOD) defense articles and services and military education and training (IMET); and (3) humanitarian assistance, with emphasis on addressing the needs of individuals who have fled from areas under the control of the Hussein regime. Prohibits assistance to any group or organization that is engaged in military cooperation with the Hussein regime. Authorizes appropriations.
Directs the President to designate: (1) one or more Iraqi democratic opposition organizations that meet specified criteria as eligible to receive assistance under this Act; and (2) additional such organizations which satisfy the President's criteria.
Urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law.
Expresses the sense of the Congress that once the Saddam Hussein regime is removed from power in Iraq, the United States should support Iraq's transition to democracy by providing humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people and democracy transition assistance to Iraqi parties and movements with democratic goals, including convening Iraq's foreign creditors to develop a multilateral response to the foreign debt incurred by the Hussein regime.
Hans Blix? Seriously? Here's you problem pal. EVERYONE including the morons you champion said Saddam had WMDs, he used them you know? And they were found in Iraq...but I digress, That old corrupt lying grandman you support voted for the war. At some point you guys have to get over its "Bush's fault" POSOTUS has been running the show for 7 years....
