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Watched an interesting "Special Report" from the 60's on Integration in the North

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It was a fascinating thing to watch. Two things stood out to me:

First, I have always heard how racist the South was and still is. I grew up hearing how morally superior the Righteous North was, to the Evil South. That documentary showed there was plenty of racism and resistance to the Civil Rights Movement in the North, just as there was in the South. While that certainly was not news, seeing the documentary reminded me that history lessons often leave out inconvenient details.


Another thing that stood out to me, is how words like "bigotry", "freedom", "justice", and "equality" are framed. I think to this day, some protests result from broad interpretations of these terms. For example, in the documentary, there was a disruptive protest, inside a local bank, because the majority of its employees were white.

Here was the issue:

The NAACP organized the protest, because the president of the bank refused to meet their hiring demands. They wanted him to agree to hire 4 black people, by a certain calendar date. The president said they had a non-discrimination policy at the bank, were willing to hire qualified applicants, regardless of race, but could not agree to those terms.

The President of the Bank said, those demands failed to take into account the bank's future personnel needs, qualifications of applicants, etc. (Not to mention, what gives the NAACP the right to dictate who a bank hires).

So, it wasn't as simple as him saying, "Sure, I'll hire 4 black people by a specific date".

When he said no to those demands, things got crazy. People were laying in doorways, sitting in front of the teller booths, preventing customers from doing their banking. They were singing, clapping, chanting, etc. all in the name of "equality and justice".

It made me think of the protests and violence we still see today. As I said yesterday, I think SOMETIMES trouble in this country comes, as a result of false narratives, loose terminology, and faulty premises.

People are rioting, protesting, and looting....because "inequality", "hatred", "racism" etc. But we need to consider how we frame those discussions, and how we define those terms. People hear those words and get fighting mad. Fine, but we need to understand how loose we are, with those terms today:

"Hatred" = Anytime you disagree with another
"Injustice" = Not creating a "seat at the table" for every race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender, dietary restriction, eye color, body type, and soda preference
"Discrimination" = Expecting people to follow rules/laws
"Offensive" = The truth
"Racism" = All of the above....and then some. I'm probably racist for suggesting that some racism isn't actually racism.


Evil exists in our society. I am not naïve enough to suggest otherwise. And where there is racism, discrimination, bigotry, etc.......society should ABSOLUTELY NOT tolerate it.

But, in my opinion, a bank owner is not racist... because he can't guarantee a certain number of minority hires, within a certain amount of time.

A police officer isn't racist, because he shot a black girl, who was trying to stab another person.
A state isn't racist because it asks for EVERY voter to show an ID first.
A teacher isn't discriminating because she disciplined a Hispanic child for cheating in class, while warning a white child for whispering.

We have too much outrage over issues that we too broadly define.
 
It was a fascinating thing to watch. Two things stood out to me:

First, I have always heard how racist the South was and still is. I grew up hearing how morally superior the Righteous North was, to the Evil South. That documentary showed there was plenty of racism and resistance to the Civil Rights Movement in the North, just as there was in the South. While that certainly was not news, seeing the documentary reminded me that history lessons often leave out inconvenient details.


Another thing that stood out to me, is how words like "bigotry", "freedom", "justice", and "equality" are framed. I think to this day, some protests result from broad interpretations of these terms. For example, in the documentary, there was a disruptive protest, inside a local bank, because the majority of its employees were white.

Here was the issue:

The NAACP organized the protest, because the president of the bank refused to meet their hiring demands. They wanted him to agree to hire 4 black people, by a certain calendar date. The president said they had a non-discrimination policy at the bank, were willing to hire qualified applicants, regardless of race, but could not agree to those terms.

The President of the Bank said, those demands failed to take into account the bank's future personnel needs, qualifications of applicants, etc. (Not to mention, what gives the NAACP the right to dictate who a bank hires).

So, it wasn't as simple as him saying, "Sure, I'll hire 4 black people by a specific date".

When he said no to those demands, things got crazy. People were laying in doorways, sitting in front of the teller booths, preventing customers from doing their banking. They were singing, clapping, chanting, etc. all in the name of "equality and justice".

It made me think of the protests and violence we still see today. As I said yesterday, I think SOMETIMES trouble in this country comes, as a result of false narratives, loose terminology, and faulty premises.

People are rioting, protesting, and looting....because "inequality", "hatred", "racism" etc. But we need to consider how we frame those discussions, and how we define those terms. People hear those words and get fighting mad. Fine, but we need to understand how loose we are, with those terms today:

"Hatred" = Anytime you disagree with another
"Injustice" = Not creating a "seat at the table" for every race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender, dietary restriction, eye color, body type, and soda preference
"Discrimination" = Expecting people to follow rules/laws
"Offensive" = The truth
"Racism" = All of the above....and then some. I'm probably racist for suggesting that some racism isn't actually racism.


Evil exists in our society. I am not naïve enough to suggest otherwise. And where there is racism, discrimination, bigotry, etc.......society should ABSOLUTELY NOT tolerate it.

But, in my opinion, a bank owner is not racist... because he can't guarantee a certain number of minority hires, within a certain amount of time.

A police officer isn't racist, because he shot a black girl, who was trying to stab another person.
A state isn't racist because it asks for EVERY voter to show an ID first.
A teacher isn't discriminating because she disciplined a Hispanic child for cheating in class, while warning a white child for whispering.

We have too much outrage over issues that we too broadly define.
That word’s meaning has been bastardized over the course of time worse than any other word in the English language. It’s original meaning was to infer your race or another race was superior or inferior to another. That would now include very few people or everyone. Depending on your perspective. It has a new meaning today and that meaning is in the dictionary. I will leave it at that.
 
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Imo bastardization of our language is a huge issue. I know the definition of racism. I grew up in a town where the majority of the adults were openly racist or at least biggots. Unconscious bias or micro aggressions isn't racism and would take quiet a stretch to call bigotted.

Imo the use of racism as am attack is now used more as a tool of division than to point out a vulgar philosophy. Racist, bigots and prejudice still exist but our issue in this country isn't bigots and racist hunting down minorities on a large scale.
 
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It was a fascinating thing to watch. Two things stood out to me:

First, I have always heard how racist the South was and still is. I grew up hearing how morally superior the Righteous North was, to the Evil South. That documentary showed there was plenty of racism and resistance to the Civil Rights Movement in the North, just as there was in the South. While that certainly was not news, seeing the documentary reminded me that history lessons often leave out inconvenient details.


Another thing that stood out to me, is how words like "bigotry", "freedom", "justice", and "equality" are framed. I think to this day, some protests result from broad interpretations of these terms. For example, in the documentary, there was a disruptive protest, inside a local bank, because the majority of its employees were white.

Here was the issue:

The NAACP organized the protest, because the president of the bank refused to meet their hiring demands. They wanted him to agree to hire 4 black people, by a certain calendar date. The president said they had a non-discrimination policy at the bank, were willing to hire qualified applicants, regardless of race, but could not agree to those terms.

The President of the Bank said, those demands failed to take into account the bank's future personnel needs, qualifications of applicants, etc. (Not to mention, what gives the NAACP the right to dictate who a bank hires).

So, it wasn't as simple as him saying, "Sure, I'll hire 4 black people by a specific date".

When he said no to those demands, things got crazy. People were laying in doorways, sitting in front of the teller booths, preventing customers from doing their banking. They were singing, clapping, chanting, etc. all in the name of "equality and justice".

It made me think of the protests and violence we still see today. As I said yesterday, I think SOMETIMES trouble in this country comes, as a result of false narratives, loose terminology, and faulty premises.

People are rioting, protesting, and looting....because "inequality", "hatred", "racism" etc. But we need to consider how we frame those discussions, and how we define those terms. People hear those words and get fighting mad. Fine, but we need to understand how loose we are, with those terms today:

"Hatred" = Anytime you disagree with another
"Injustice" = Not creating a "seat at the table" for every race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender, dietary restriction, eye color, body type, and soda preference
"Discrimination" = Expecting people to follow rules/laws
"Offensive" = The truth
"Racism" = All of the above....and then some. I'm probably racist for suggesting that some racism isn't actually racism.


Evil exists in our society. I am not naïve enough to suggest otherwise. And where there is racism, discrimination, bigotry, etc.......society should ABSOLUTELY NOT tolerate it.

But, in my opinion, a bank owner is not racist... because he can't guarantee a certain number of minority hires, within a certain amount of time.

A police officer isn't racist, because he shot a black girl, who was trying to stab another person.
A state isn't racist because it asks for EVERY voter to show an ID first.
A teacher isn't discriminating because she disciplined a Hispanic child for cheating in class, while warning a white child for whispering.

We have too much outrage over issues that we too broadly define.

I fully agree with your conclusion but might disagree with your specific bank president example if it was from 50+ years ago. Whether in the north or the south, banking was an industry that was slow to integrate, and there were banks who served communities that were (making it up) 30% African American that had zero African American employees beyond the cleaning crew. And 50+ years ago, that may have been a worthy thing to protest. and at that time in our history, many of the protests, whether it be the NCAACP, gay rights or whatever, were on the correct side of history. Where things have gone wrong is that all of those organizations "won" their battles (African Americans earlier, Gays more recently, as two examples) but refused to declare victory because their organizations were an industry that paid its leaders lots of money so they had to make up new causes and demand more and more (and create new "threats" to their rights) to keep the money coming in and they all redefined equality and now we have "equity" and "gender id" which had nothing to do with the worthy battles fought for equal rights.
 
If you don’t think racism is alive and well, walk into South Boston or Charlestown.

Racism is alive and well in very small pockets everywhere in the country, no city or geography has a monopoly on it. But as a country, while it took us much too long, we substantially eliminated systemic racism. It will never go to zero, here or anywhere else, and people who want to "profit" from racism (both directions) will always have something to point to.
 
Racism is alive and well in very small pockets everywhere in the country, no city or geography has a monopoly on it. But as a country, while it took us much too long, we substantially eliminated systemic racism. It will never go to zero, here or anywhere else, and people who want to "profit" from racism (both directions) will always have something to point to.
Its gone far enough that we now have to move the goalposts, or redefine racism, to keep it alive.

In business, I've had the occasional "woke" person inform me of my inherent racism. I ask, please tell me about a racist decision or comment I have made, and we'll talk about it. You and I will fight that together.

Can't do it. So at that point, the only claim is that I don't have to say or do anything racist to be racist - its just inherent. That's nothing I can embrace or do anything about, other than do penance or debase myself on general principles.

We can't work together for mutual success in that environment - only fritter away resources until we both have nothing. That's just a plan to create and maintain division and perpetuate resentment to the detrement of us all.
 
Its gone far enough that we now have to move the goalposts, or redefine racism, to keep it alive.

In business, I've had the occasional "woke" person inform me of my inherent racism. I ask, please tell me about a racist decision or comment I have made, and we'll talk about it. You and I will fight that together.

Can't do it. So at that point, the only claim is that I don't have to say or do anything racist to be racist - its just inherent. That's nothing I can embrace or do anything about, other than do penance or debase myself on general principles.

We can't work together for mutual success in that environment - only fritter away resources until we both have nothing. That's just a plan to create and maintain division and perpetuate resentment to the detrement of us all.

1. Does anyone see the irony of accusing white people of inherent racism?

2. Debating the inherent racism charge is a ridiculous exercise in ghost hunting, that people should refuse to participate in.
 
It was a fascinating thing to watch. Two things stood out to me:

First, I have always heard how racist the South was and still is. I grew up hearing how morally superior the Righteous North was, to the Evil South. That documentary showed there was plenty of racism and resistance to the Civil Rights Movement in the North, just as there was in the South. While that certainly was not news, seeing the documentary reminded me that history lessons often leave out inconvenient details.


Another thing that stood out to me, is how words like "bigotry", "freedom", "justice", and "equality" are framed. I think to this day, some protests result from broad interpretations of these terms. For example, in the documentary, there was a disruptive protest, inside a local bank, because the majority of its employees were white.

Here was the issue:

The NAACP organized the protest, because the president of the bank refused to meet their hiring demands. They wanted him to agree to hire 4 black people, by a certain calendar date. The president said they had a non-discrimination policy at the bank, were willing to hire qualified applicants, regardless of race, but could not agree to those terms.

The President of the Bank said, those demands failed to take into account the bank's future personnel needs, qualifications of applicants, etc. (Not to mention, what gives the NAACP the right to dictate who a bank hires).

So, it wasn't as simple as him saying, "Sure, I'll hire 4 black people by a specific date".

When he said no to those demands, things got crazy. People were laying in doorways, sitting in front of the teller booths, preventing customers from doing their banking. They were singing, clapping, chanting, etc. all in the name of "equality and justice".

It made me think of the protests and violence we still see today. As I said yesterday, I think SOMETIMES trouble in this country comes, as a result of false narratives, loose terminology, and faulty premises.

People are rioting, protesting, and looting....because "inequality", "hatred", "racism" etc. But we need to consider how we frame those discussions, and how we define those terms. People hear those words and get fighting mad. Fine, but we need to understand how loose we are, with those terms today:

"Hatred" = Anytime you disagree with another
"Injustice" = Not creating a "seat at the table" for every race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender, dietary restriction, eye color, body type, and soda preference
"Discrimination" = Expecting people to follow rules/laws
"Offensive" = The truth
"Racism" = All of the above....and then some. I'm probably racist for suggesting that some racism isn't actually racism.


Evil exists in our society. I am not naïve enough to suggest otherwise. And where there is racism, discrimination, bigotry, etc.......society should ABSOLUTELY NOT tolerate it.

But, in my opinion, a bank owner is not racist... because he can't guarantee a certain number of minority hires, within a certain amount of time.

A police officer isn't racist, because he shot a black girl, who was trying to stab another person.
A state isn't racist because it asks for EVERY voter to show an ID first.
A teacher isn't discriminating because she disciplined a Hispanic child for cheating in class, while warning a white child for whispering.

We have too much outrage over issues that we too broadly define.
This is dividing our country just like they planned! The woke, blm and antifa are in with the CCP in destroying our country.
 
Imo bastardization of our language is a huge issue. I know the definition of racism. I grew up in a town where the majority of the adults were openly racist or at least biggots. Unconscious bias or micro aggressions isn't racism and would take quiet a stretch to call bigotted.

Imo the use of racism as am attack is now used more as a tool of division than to point out a vulgar philosophy. Racist, bigots and prejudise still exist but our issue in this country isn't bigots and racist hunting down minorities on a large scale.
If everything is racist, then nothing is racist.

By cheapening the term, they do a disservice to anyone who actually is a victim of racism. Charging someone with being racist today is the equivalent of saying “you’re an a$$hole” which doesn’t really carry the weigh it used to or should.
People are extracting the value of the word for their own financial gain. They are stealing from the victims they claim to be helping.
 
Honest question, do you think my post suggested that racism doesnt exist?
You kind of missed his point. He was just pointing out the fact that Yankees are actually more racist than those of us in the south. I defiantly agree with him on that. Growing up in the south and watching the media repeat how racist the south is, I believed that until I got into the real world and started working with people up north.
 
If you don’t think racism is alive and well, walk into South Boston or Charlestown.
1st let me say I don’t know the answer to the ? I’m gonna ask. What % of whites in America to you or anyone think are racists and what % of blacks do you or anybody think are racist? Even if you don’t know what do you think…the msm and black activists seem to think IMO it’s lopsided, is it? Of course the racism meaning has changed to a broad definition, but in today’s broader meaning it’s pretty much thought of as whites hate blacks, whites don’t want blacks to have the same rights, pay for same job, whites should have more of their criminals in jail, etc. I think most of that think is bs or prpoganda from the left and black activists that scream the civil war era is still here
 
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1st let me say I don’t know the answer to the ? I’m gonna ask. What % of whites in America to you or anyone think are racists and what % of blacks do you or anybody think are racist? Even if you don’t know what do you think…the msm and black activists seem to think IMO it’s lopsided, is it? Of course the racism meaning has changed to a broad definition, but in today’s broader meaning it’s pretty much thought of as whites hate blacks, whites don’t want blacks to have the same rights, pay for same job, whites should have more of their criminals in jail, etc. I think most of that think is bs or prpoganda from the left and black activists that scream the civil war era is still here
Well, why is there extremely little discussion about racism between, say AA and Asian communities, or between Hospanic and AA communities, or between Jewish and AA communities, but it is always white vs those communities?
 
I grew up a Navy brat .... lived in Chicago..Phila. .. Rhode Island... Calif... Florida..Va. Tex. Ga....
Trust me...South was.. is...much more racist than North..!!
 
It was a fascinating thing to watch. Two things stood out to me:

First, I have always heard how racist the South was and still is. I grew up hearing how morally superior the Righteous North was, to the Evil South. That documentary showed there was plenty of racism and resistance to the Civil Rights Movement in the North, just as there was in the South. While that certainly was not news, seeing the documentary reminded me that history lessons often leave out inconvenient details.


Another thing that stood out to me, is how words like "bigotry", "freedom", "justice", and "equality" are framed. I think to this day, some protests result from broad interpretations of these terms. For example, in the documentary, there was a disruptive protest, inside a local bank, because the majority of its employees were white.

Here was the issue:

The NAACP organized the protest, because the president of the bank refused to meet their hiring demands. They wanted him to agree to hire 4 black people, by a certain calendar date. The president said they had a non-discrimination policy at the bank, were willing to hire qualified applicants, regardless of race, but could not agree to those terms.

The President of the Bank said, those demands failed to take into account the bank's future personnel needs, qualifications of applicants, etc. (Not to mention, what gives the NAACP the right to dictate who a bank hires).

So, it wasn't as simple as him saying, "Sure, I'll hire 4 black people by a specific date".

When he said no to those demands, things got crazy. People were laying in doorways, sitting in front of the teller booths, preventing customers from doing their banking. They were singing, clapping, chanting, etc. all in the name of "equality and justice".

It made me think of the protests and violence we still see today. As I said yesterday, I think SOMETIMES trouble in this country comes, as a result of false narratives, loose terminology, and faulty premises.

People are rioting, protesting, and looting....because "inequality", "hatred", "racism" etc. But we need to consider how we frame those discussions, and how we define those terms. People hear those words and get fighting mad. Fine, but we need to understand how loose we are, with those terms today:

"Hatred" = Anytime you disagree with another
"Injustice" = Not creating a "seat at the table" for every race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender, dietary restriction, eye color, body type, and soda preference
"Discrimination" = Expecting people to follow rules/laws
"Offensive" = The truth
"Racism" = All of the above....and then some. I'm probably racist for suggesting that some racism isn't actually racism.


Evil exists in our society. I am not naïve enough to suggest otherwise. And where there is racism, discrimination, bigotry, etc.......society should ABSOLUTELY NOT tolerate it.

But, in my opinion, a bank owner is not racist... because he can't guarantee a certain number of minority hires, within a certain amount of time.

A police officer isn't racist, because he shot a black girl, who was trying to stab another person.
A state isn't racist because it asks for EVERY voter to show an ID first.
A teacher isn't discriminating because she disciplined a Hispanic child for cheating in class, while warning a white child for whispering.

We have too much outrage over issues that we too broadly define.
Watch this if you are interested...Biblical versus Social Justice This guy gets it. This whole racial injustice thing has weighed heavy on me for the last year. I could never succinctly identify why my spirit was so troubled. He speaks to the reasons and outlines just how this whole movement is an attack on Christianity.
 
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I grew up a Navy brat .... lived in Chicago..Phila. .. Rhode Island... Calif... Florida..Va. Tex. Ga....
Trust me...South was.. is...much more racist than North..!!
I’ve lived in Colorado Minnesota Georgia and Tennessee. No one place was any more “racist” than the other. As a matter of fact I didn’t see any discrimination based on color or gender or religion in any of those places. In the south I have seen a lot of programs designed to ensure minorities received preferential treatment based on skin color. Maybe the south is more racist after all
 
I’ve lived in Colorado Minnesota Georgia and Tennessee. No one place was any more “racist” than the other. As a matter of fact I didn’t see any discrimination based on color or gender or religion in any of those places. In the south I have seen a lot of programs designed to ensure minorities received preferential treatment based on skin color. Maybe the south is more racist after all
I really do not know of anyone that hates a group of people based on their skin color. I have been around a few that do not like certain religions.

But I do see some that will segregate themselves from certain socioeconomic groups, that will probably always be around. Racism has been mostly dead since the 60's, there are still a few I'm sure.....but I don't know of anyone, nor would I want to that is what I call "racist".

Racism is overplayed these days, but some promote it for obvious reasons........
 
I’ve lived in Colorado Minnesota Georgia and Tennessee. No one place was any more “racist” than the other. As a matter of fact I didn’t see any discrimination based on color or gender or religion in any of those places. In the south I have seen a lot of programs designed to ensure minorities received preferential treatment based on skin color. Maybe the south is more racist after all
 
I remember when we lived in Jacksonville, Fl. ( 1961-62)...they had signs up .."Whites Only"... in more than a few restaurants..
 
I remember when we lived in Jacksonville, Fl. ( 1961-62)...they had signs up .."Whites Only"... in more than a few restaurants..
Detroit. Your evidence is anecdotal. The south cannot be proven to be more “racist” than the north.
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