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Weighing In On Mark Richt (Warning: Book Length)

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Look, I love Mark Richt as a person. I will never forget his role in the Southern Baptist film "Facing The Giants" for instance. (And people looking for more quality evangelical Christian entertainment along that vein should also check out "The Time Changer", "God's Not Dead", "Do You Believe", "War Room", "God's Outlaw" and "Flywheel.") But for people who want to play that card ... Richt was making $4 million a year and also had among the highest paid group of assistants in the country. He demanded that UGA invest tens of millions in new facilities while the state was dealing with a severe recession, cuts to higher education that saw several whole colleges eliminated (including SPSU - the state's best undergrad STEM school - and GPC the state's largest and best junior college) and while UGA was chasing every penny that they could to build a credible engineering school and start a medical program so they could challenge AAU members Missouri and Florida (as well as Auburn) in research. And oh yes, graduation rates were terrible under Richt and so were off-the-field problems. So the folks who were using the "Richt is a great man who brings much-needed integrity to the sport" justification for holding onto the guy were purposefully avoiding the entire picture. Richt is as much of an SEC guy (and before that a Florida State guy ... and if you believe that the issues with FSU began and ended with Jimbo Fisher and Jameis Winston you are nuts ... FSU was practically notorious in the 1990s when Richt was on that staff) as anyone else.

Second, the idea that ethics hamstrung UGA under Richt is also pretty much false, and mostly sour grapes. The truth is that more than a few coaches that have had more success than Richt run programs that are as clean - or are even cleaner - than Richt's UGA, and UGA fans have spent the last few years especially overhyping issues at every other successful program while ignoring the long line of arrests and suspensions in Athens. Case in point: the one time Bob Stoops got in trouble with the NCAA in Oklahoma was over an issue that they reported themselves. (When the NCAA tried to hammer OU over it, Stoops appealed AND WON.) Steve Spurrier actually cleaned up two programs that were in significant NCAA trouble at the time (Florida and South Carolina) AND helped expose the cheating that Mike DuBose was doing at Alabama. The next time that Dabo Swinney, David Shaw, Mark Dantonio or Jim Harbaugh gets accused of anything untoward will be the first. And make an issue of Nick Saban's roster management tactics all you want ... it is entirely within NCAA rules and even more important Saban is 100% upfront about it during recruiting which is why not one kid who has gotten his scholarship pulled by Saban has ever groused about it.

Finally, the Mark Richt regime at UGA has two eras. Everyone likes to look at it as "before 2008/after 2008" and claim that the notorious home loss to Saban and Alabama was the event that UGA went from being a contending, up-and-coming program to going into a downward spiral that Richt never recovered from. Sorry, that is false. This is more accurate: with Donnan's players (including Richt's initial recruiting classes that Donnan had in the pipeline that Richt retained) and without them.

When Richt was playing Donnan's recruits, UGA averaged 11 wins a season and won 2 SEC titles. Since D.J. Shockley and the last batch of Donnan guys left in 2005, UGA has averaged 4 losses a season, actually had a losing record against South Carolina until 2014, and won the SEC East as many times as Missouri (and even that was due to South Carolina having a much tougher SEC draw in 2011 and 2012). A major reason: QB play has been very inconsistent since the guys that Donnan recruited to play the position left Athens, and Richt has been hilariously passing up in-state 4 and 5 star guys like Cam Newton, Connor Shaw, Blake Sims, Josh Dobbs and DeShaun Watson for the likes of Brice Ramsey, Jacob Park, Faton Bauta, Logan Gray, reality TV star Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay. The typical excuse: the guys passed up were spread/dual threat guys who couldn't learn a pro style offense. Fine, except that Bauta, Gray, Mason and Aaron Murray were spread/dual threat QBs too, and Newton, Shaw, Sims and Watson all proved to be very capable passers at other schools (and in Newton's case the NFL). It wasn't the pro-style versus spread/dual threat thing but that Richt had this bizarre belief that nontraditional QBs from out of state were better than in-state products like Shaw and Watson that had similar or in some cases much higher ratings.

QB is only part of the story. For all the hype that Richt's recruiting gets, Donnan was actually better at finding players. It was Donnan who recruited future NFL Hall of Famers like Hines Ward and Champ Bailey. (Would Richt have given Ward, a 4 star guy with terrible measurables 5'9", 4.6 40, high school QB with a weak arm a scholarship?) Of course not. Donnan was also the one who recruited dominant players at both lines. Where Donnan had 4 guys on the DL that were 285 lbs. and super athletic future 1st round draft picks at the same time (Charles Grant, Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, Jonathan Sullivan) has a single Richt recruit at DT ever been a #1 draft pick? Hasn't been much better at DE either. David Pollack? Recruited by Donnan. Jarvis Jones? Remember ... he originally went to Southern Cal, broke his neck, and then went to UGA only because USC's doctors wouldn't medically clear him.

Offensive line is more of the same. UGA hasn't sent an OL in the first round since Donnan recruit George Foster in 2003. Keep in mind that the Stinchcombs (1st and 2nd rounders) and 1st rounder Chris Terry, 2nd rounder Adam Meadows and 3rd rounder Jonas Jennings were OTs that UGA sent to the NFL around that same era too. By contrast, the only starting NFL OT that Richt has recruited to UGA was Cordy Glenn. (I do acknowledge that John Theus will be #2). So Donnan recruited the QBs (it is nuts to think that Donnan would have tried to get Cam Newton to play TE/DE and opened the possibility of moving to WR/DB with Deshaun Watson like Richt's staff did) and the difference makers up front on both sides of the line. Richt hasn't been able to consistently do either and you see the results.

The final thing: running a program. Consider that successful coaches like the Sabans, Carrolls, Meyers, Stoops etc. have "coaching trees", guys who have gone on to head coaching jobs at other major schools. (Example: at one point nearly half the head coaches in the Big 12 were former Bob Stoops assistants.) But the next guy who goes directly from Mark Richt's staff to a head coaching job at a major school will be the first. And Richt assistants have only gotten 2 jobs at MINOR schools: Bobo at Colorado State and VanGorder at Georgia Southern (who was FCS at the time). Even Bobo comes with an asterisk: Colorado State previously had the very successful Jim McElwain and tried to replicate his tenure by hiring another long term SEC offensive coordinator. So, Saban had more to do with Bobo getting a head coaching job than Richt did.

It is more than just a largely underwhelming group of assistants. It is also that Richt has never successfully implemented a coherent system or philosophy on offense or defense. On defense UGA was basically 4-3 under BVG, 4-6 (with zone in the secondary!) under Martinez, switched to a 3-4 under Grantham, and now still play 3-4 but with an entirely different philosophy under Pruitt. But that can be forgiven: Richt is an offensive guy, right? Except that Richt spent his initial years in Athens trying and failing to implement the FSU offense while being his own coordinator, even though that offense wasn't really the best fit for David Greene or the WRs. Then he had a kinda sorta spread look with D. J. Shockley for a year. Then they went through the "pure pro style" era with Matt Stafford, followed by a couple of years of incoherency (including but not limited to a failed attempt to put in a wildcat/wild dawg package with Logan Gray and then trying to figure out what to do with Aaron Murray after Mettenberger got kicked out of school) before settling on a return to UGA power running/play action football and then scrapping that for Brian "trading on my dad's last name and accomplishments" Schottenheimer's west coast offense. It would be one thing if you could say that UGA was adapting their offense to their personnel like Mack Brown did during his most successful years at Texas going from a pro-style QB in Chris Simms and Major Applewhite to a zone-read option with Vince Young to a spread with Colt McCoy, but UGA only actually did that during the Matt Stafford era. The rest of the time, UGA was mostly trying and failing to put square pegs in round holes with Richt on offense.

Yes, Richt won games at UGA; a lot of them. But please consider:

UGA plays 3 OOC games against cupcakes and a 4th against greatly overmatched Georgia Tech (whose recruiting has fallen off the map under their current coach and particularly since 2010).

The SEC East has 4 teams (South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri, Vanderbilt) who really don't recruit much better than Tech most years.

The other 2 traditional powers in the East are Florida and Tennessee. The Vols haven't won the SEC this century. They haven't won the SEC East since 2007, which was the last time before this season that they reached 8 wins, and their last team with fewer than 4 losses was 2004 (when they lost 3, as they did in 2002) and they lost 5 in 2002. Add it all up and Richt only played a single top 10 Tennessee team - the 2001 edition - to which Richt lost. As a matter of fact, Richt is 1-3 against the 4 Tennessee teams to win 10 games, including a 35-14 embarrassment by the 2007 team that UGA fans strangely insist should have played for the national title despite their best victories coming against a pair of 9-4 Auburn and Florida teams and also an 8-5 Kentucky team (Auburn and Kentucky at home, Florida at a neutral site).

Florida meanwhile has been feast and famine, but truthfully mostly famine (the failed Zook and Muschamp regimes, the beginning and end of the Meyer era, meaning that Florida only reached 10 wins 6 times in the Richt era). Imagine if Richt had played Spurrier and Fulmer at their peaks in the 1990s when Florida only failed to reach 10 wins thrice (when they won 9) and Tennessee was one step behind.

Then you have Georgia's other SEC foe: Auburn, who was great in 2012, 2010 and 2004, good in 2006 but has otherwise been a mess throughout the Richt era, even in the years when they exploited similarly weak scheduling (back when the Mississippi schools were terrible for instance, and Auburn doesn't even have a regular OOC rival like Tech so their 4 games are generally even weaker than UGA's) to scratch out 9 wins despite real problems scoring points under Tuberville or stopping anybody in the years since.

So add it all up ... how many wins does Richt have over teams that finished ranked in the top 10 in the final poll (not teams that were in the top 10 when UGA played them but finished up 7-6 or 8-5)? Not very many. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished with fewer than 3 losses? Virtually none. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished in the top 5 in the final polls, including (for example) teams that went on to win the SEC and/or play for the national title? Nada. Zip. None. This means that in 15 years, Richt has zero big wins. That is the bottom line. Richt has nothing that should be considered a "big win" by a program of UGA's caliber. In fact, the biggest win of Richt's career came in the 2005 SEC championship game against a 3 loss LSU team. That was the best, most talented team that Richt has ever beaten ... one that was riddled with injuries (much of their OL and their entire scholarship depth chart at RB out due to injury, and oh yes UGA knocked out their starting QB in the first quarter) and exhausted because of having to play 13 consecutive weeks due to Hurricane Katrina.

Final analysis: Richt is a great guy. But as a coach, UGA can and should do better.
 
Wow, it's even worse than I thought. I think all us were delusional about Richt. We wanted him to do well. It's like being in a bad relationship for years. After its really done and over, you ask yourself..."What the hell was I thinking? That was crazy!"
 
Only one misplaced statement - GPC and SPSU were only "eliminated" in name. Both campuses are alive and well operating as a part of other institutions. SPSU is now KSU...not sure who ate up GPC.
 
Grad rates were not low under Richt. If You want to point fingers, Dooley had a terrible record in educating athletes.
If We'd wanted to create smoke like Bama does, We could have even higher grad rates.
Richt and Adams did things as close to the RIGHT way as We're likely to ever see in what is mostly big business posing as a part of the education system.
 
KSU swallowed up SPSU. The problem with that is that SPSU had a unique culture and environment cultivated over decades by their administration that allowed them to crank out hundreds of undergraduate engineers and computer scientists - and even a few architects - who didn't have the grades or background to enter a competitive research university coming out of high school, or who were nontraditional students who went back to college after being in the workforce or serving in the military. In other words, they were the STEM version of what Georgia State used to be in business and law back in the day. Now, SPSU is going to be part of just another gigantic state directional university ... one that has a 15% gradation rate by the way ... in KSU.

GPC was absorbed by Georgia State University. So basically you have one of the largest urban universities in the southeast that was TRYING to become an urban research university (think Pitt, Texas-Dallas or NYU) having to take on a massive 4 campus junior college that only offers A.A. degrees and for whom much of their student body needs remediation out of high school.

The state is merging Albany State University and Albany Junior College as well, and they folded Augusta State into Medical College of Georgia a few years back. I admit that I do not think that these mergers will move higher education in Georgia forward.

But thanks!
 
Grad rates were not low under Richt. If You want to point fingers, Dooley had a terrible record in educating athletes.
If We'd wanted to create smoke like Bama does, We could have even higher grad rates.
Richt and Adams did things as close to the RIGHT way as We're likely to ever see in what is mostly big business posing as a part of the education system.

Grad rates were indeed low under Richt. If you recall, Mike Adams defended the terrible academic performance under Richt (his hire) by saying "we need these types of players to succeed in the SEC." And who was it that brought up the terrible graduation rates? None other than Vince Dooley! http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/2006/09/thoughts-on-grad-rate-debacle.html and http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/2006/10/agreed-michael-adams-is-big-fat-liar.html

I do not deny that Richt is a good guy, but his ethics track record was not exceptional enough to overlook a lack of SEC titles. Personal demeanor and public persona aside, Steve Spurrier ran cleaner programs at Duke, Florida and South Carolina for example. Fulmer ran a similar program at Tennessee ... the nonsense that Richt allowed guys like Odell Thurman and Caleb King to get away with early in his tenure didn't happen with Fulmer. Tuberville didn't have any off-the-field problems at Auburn. Saban didn't at Michigan State, LSU or Alabama (where he had to put a program that had been cheating ever since Bear Bryant left and was in total disarray in order). Richt honestly, truly is just another SEC coach - and one who came to UGA from Florida State - when it comes to running an orderly program with athletes who behave well in and out of the classroom.

There are guys who match Richt's public persona - including the evangelical piety with Mack Brown and Dabo Swinney being examples - but whose kids do a lot better in the classroom and off the field, and do as well or better on the field.
 
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Holy schnikee..your 3rd post...dude bring it more often...

I joined and stopped being active shortly after because of the "non football" chatter. I just figured that I would weigh in because of the Richt situation. I don't dislike Richt; as a matter of fact I was wanting the guy to succeed, and so were a lot of people who aren't even UGA fans but greatly respected Richt as a person.
 
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I joined and stopped being active shortly after because of the "non football" chatter. I just figured that I would weigh in because of the Richt situation. I don't dislike Richt; as a matter of fact I was wanting the guy to succeed, and so were a lot of people who aren't even UGA fans but greatly respected Richt as a person.

Richt did succeed. He is 1 of 4 CFB HCs to win as many as 135 games over His first 14 seasons. Even now He's going for His 40th win over His last 4 years, that is a tough and rare accomplishment.
He is also the only top HC of this era to have coached only at the highest level of CFB.
 
Richt did succeed. He is 1 of 4 CFB HCs to win as many as 135 games over His first 14 seasons. Even now He's going for His 40th win over His last 4 years, that is a tough and rare accomplishment.
He is also the only top HC of this era to have coached only at the highest level of CFB.

Did you actually read his post? He perfectly sums up why Richt's overall record is incredibly deceptive. Take this year for example. Who did beat? Did we beat a single team worth talking about? No, and we struggled to beat even the bad teams. The two biggest games of the years against the only two good teams we played, we were embarrassed and not prepared to play either. Don't even get me started on the stupidity of starting your third string QB who had taken all of five snaps against your biggest rival.
 
It's fun to watch someone so faced with facts bumble and stumble and further make themselves a fool. But that is love. I would really appreciate it though if those who love Richt rather than Georgia please start a richtchat board and take their nonsense political crap with them
 
Did you actually read his post? He perfectly sums up why Richt's overall record is incredibly deceptive. Take this year for example. Who did beat? Did we beat a single team worth talking about? No, and we struggled to beat even the bad teams. The two biggest games of the years against the only two good teams we played, we were embarrassed and not prepared to play either. Don't even get me started on the stupidity of starting your third string QB who had taken all of five snaps against your biggest rival.

I know the record, I know the shortcomings, it's still very tough to win at this level. It's also leadership to keep a team together after disappointment.
 
Did you actually read his post? He perfectly sums up why Richt's overall record is incredibly deceptive. Take this year for example. Who did beat? Did we beat a single team worth talking about? No, and we struggled to beat even the bad teams. The two biggest games of the years against the only two good teams we played, we were embarrassed and not prepared to play either. Don't even get me started on the stupidity of starting your third string QB who had taken all of five snaps against your biggest rival.

UF and Tenn were thinking much like y'all- With our cushy schedule, anyone can win 9 games a year. It's taken them a while to get it right even as Richt won the games he was supposed to win.

McGarity's hiring track record does not inspire confidence that he will make a home run hire that can virtually assure we win those 9 games and a couple more. He seems more likely to hire the next Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp or Derek Dooley than an Urban Meyer or Nick Saban.
 
It's fun to watch someone so faced with facts bumble and stumble and further make themselves a fool. But that is love. I would really appreciate it though if those who love Richt rather than Georgia please start a richtchat board and take their nonsense political crap with them

You mistake your lack of balanced thinking and basic decency for knowledge and virtue.
Also please make an effort to separate politics from football, how hard can that be ?
 
This is a chat board for uga football ! Please take your Richt worship and political post elsewhere !! What exactly is so hard to understand ?
 
This is a chat board for uga football ! Please take your Richt worship and political post elsewhere !! What exactly is so hard to understand ?

It's bit early to be drunk on a Monday, you're inventing conversations in your mind.
Now, I'm done with your silliness.
 
Facts?? No. Mostly just opinion.
Marshall, you assert that Richt won early with Donnan's players. Ok so what?? He did what Donnan failed to do and there were very few Donnan recruits left in 2005.

On suspensions and arrests: Yes Richt did have many suspensions but that's because he and UGA actually had rules and actually enforced them. The same goes for law enforcement in Athens unlike places like Tallahassee for example. It's fair to say that Richt was a bad judge of character in recruiting some of the trouble makers but you're a fool if you think other schools in the region would have culled them. See Auburn.

On graduation rates. You posted 2 links to blogs regarding graduation rates but they refer to Georgia basketball under Harrick and football rates under Donnan. Whats up with that? In the last 3 graduation success rates published in the SEC UGA is 7th, 5th, and 1st. Your statement that rates were terrible under Richt are simply not true.

On the other hand, the most true statement you made was about the offensive line. In my opinion, this is where Richt failed miserably and is the root cause of his failure to win at a higher level. The O line never got back to the level it was under Neil Callaway. By the way, Callaway left to be a head coach.

With that said, I look forward to having some new energy in the program and look forward to having no more diatribes for or against Mark Richt
 
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It's bit early to be drunk on a Monday, you're inventing conversations in your mind.
Now, I'm done with your silliness.

Hey, if you have the means to be drunk in the middle of a Monday afternoon, more power to you. We should all aspire to be so lucky...
 
UF and Tenn were thinking much like y'all- With our cushy schedule, anyone can win 9 games a year. It's taken them a while to get it right even as Richt won the games he was supposed to win.

McGarity's hiring track record does not inspire confidence that he will make a home run hire that can virtually assure we win those 9 games and a couple more. He seems more likely to hire the next Lane Kiffin, Will Muschamp or Derek Dooley than an Urban Meyer or Nick Saban.

UGA is not Tennessee or Florida. Tennessee's problem were not only because of stupid coaching hires, but also their difficulty recruiting. Tennessee is not a state that produces many quality recruits. UGA does not have that problem with the state of Georgia, which is one of the three best states in the country for recruiting. Florida was a mess under Meyer with a lot of internal strife and discipline issues, especially in his last two years. They were also not even close to being as down as long and as bad as Tennessee has been. Either way, assuming UGA goes in a long funk ala Tennessee because we fired an underachieving coach is one gigantic leap of logic. If you're afraid of the future, then you'll never fire anyone.
 
Look, I love Mark Richt as a person. I will never forget his role in the Southern Baptist film "Facing The Giants" for instance. (And people looking for more quality evangelical Christian entertainment along that vein should also check out "The Time Changer", "God's Not Dead", "Do You Believe", "War Room", "God's Outlaw" and "Flywheel.") But for people who want to play that card ... Richt was making $4 million a year and also had among the highest paid group of assistants in the country. He demanded that UGA invest tens of millions in new facilities while the state was dealing with a severe recession, cuts to higher education that saw several whole colleges eliminated (including SPSU - the state's best undergrad STEM school - and GPC the state's largest and best junior college) and while UGA was chasing every penny that they could to build a credible engineering school and start a medical program so they could challenge AAU members Missouri and Florida (as well as Auburn) in research. And oh yes, graduation rates were terrible under Richt and so were off-the-field problems. So the folks who were using the "Richt is a great man who brings much-needed integrity to the sport" justification for holding onto the guy were purposefully avoiding the entire picture. Richt is as much of an SEC guy (and before that a Florida State guy ... and if you believe that the issues with FSU began and ended with Jimbo Fisher and Jameis Winston you are nuts ... FSU was practically notorious in the 1990s when Richt was on that staff) as anyone else.

Second, the idea that ethics hamstrung UGA under Richt is also pretty much false, and mostly sour grapes. The truth is that more than a few coaches that have had more success than Richt run programs that are as clean - or are even cleaner - than Richt's UGA, and UGA fans have spent the last few years especially overhyping issues at every other successful program while ignoring the long line of arrests and suspensions in Athens. Case in point: the one time Bob Stoops got in trouble with the NCAA in Oklahoma was over an issue that they reported themselves. (When the NCAA tried to hammer OU over it, Stoops appealed AND WON.) Steve Spurrier actually cleaned up two programs that were in significant NCAA trouble at the time (Florida and South Carolina) AND helped expose the cheating that Mike DuBose was doing at Alabama. The next time that Dabo Swinney, David Shaw, Mark Dantonio or Jim Harbaugh gets accused of anything untoward will be the first. And make an issue of Nick Saban's roster management tactics all you want ... it is entirely within NCAA rules and even more important Saban is 100% upfront about it during recruiting which is why not one kid who has gotten his scholarship pulled by Saban has ever groused about it.

Finally, the Mark Richt regime at UGA has two eras. Everyone likes to look at it as "before 2008/after 2008" and claim that the notorious home loss to Saban and Alabama was the event that UGA went from being a contending, up-and-coming program to going into a downward spiral that Richt never recovered from. Sorry, that is false. This is more accurate: with Donnan's players (including Richt's initial recruiting classes that Donnan had in the pipeline that Richt retained) and without them.

When Richt was playing Donnan's recruits, UGA averaged 11 wins a season and won 2 SEC titles. Since D.J. Shockley and the last batch of Donnan guys left in 2005, UGA has averaged 4 losses a season, actually had a losing record against South Carolina until 2014, and won the SEC East as many times as Missouri (and even that was due to South Carolina having a much tougher SEC draw in 2011 and 2012). A major reason: QB play has been very inconsistent since the guys that Donnan recruited to play the position left Athens, and Richt has been hilariously passing up in-state 4 and 5 star guys like Cam Newton, Connor Shaw, Blake Sims, Josh Dobbs and DeShaun Watson for the likes of Brice Ramsey, Jacob Park, Faton Bauta, Logan Gray, reality TV star Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay. The typical excuse: the guys passed up were spread/dual threat guys who couldn't learn a pro style offense. Fine, except that Bauta, Gray, Mason and Aaron Murray were spread/dual threat QBs too, and Newton, Shaw, Sims and Watson all proved to be very capable passers at other schools (and in Newton's case the NFL). It wasn't the pro-style versus spread/dual threat thing but that Richt had this bizarre belief that nontraditional QBs from out of state were better than in-state products like Shaw and Watson that had similar or in some cases much higher ratings.

QB is only part of the story. For all the hype that Richt's recruiting gets, Donnan was actually better at finding players. It was Donnan who recruited future NFL Hall of Famers like Hines Ward and Champ Bailey. (Would Richt have given Ward, a 4 star guy with terrible measurables 5'9", 4.6 40, high school QB with a weak arm a scholarship?) Of course not. Donnan was also the one who recruited dominant players at both lines. Where Donnan had 4 guys on the DL that were 285 lbs. and super athletic future 1st round draft picks at the same time (Charles Grant, Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, Jonathan Sullivan) has a single Richt recruit at DT ever been a #1 draft pick? Hasn't been much better at DE either. David Pollack? Recruited by Donnan. Jarvis Jones? Remember ... he originally went to Southern Cal, broke his neck, and then went to UGA only because USC's doctors wouldn't medically clear him.

Offensive line is more of the same. UGA hasn't sent an OL in the first round since Donnan recruit George Foster in 2003. Keep in mind that the Stinchcombs (1st and 2nd rounders) and 1st rounder Chris Terry, 2nd rounder Adam Meadows and 3rd rounder Jonas Jennings were OTs that UGA sent to the NFL around that same era too. By contrast, the only starting NFL OT that Richt has recruited to UGA was Cordy Glenn. (I do acknowledge that John Theus will be #2). So Donnan recruited the QBs (it is nuts to think that Donnan would have tried to get Cam Newton to play TE/DE and opened the possibility of moving to WR/DB with Deshaun Watson like Richt's staff did) and the difference makers up front on both sides of the line. Richt hasn't been able to consistently do either and you see the results.

The final thing: running a program. Consider that successful coaches like the Sabans, Carrolls, Meyers, Stoops etc. have "coaching trees", guys who have gone on to head coaching jobs at other major schools. (Example: at one point nearly half the head coaches in the Big 12 were former Bob Stoops assistants.) But the next guy who goes directly from Mark Richt's staff to a head coaching job at a major school will be the first. And Richt assistants have only gotten 2 jobs at MINOR schools: Bobo at Colorado State and VanGorder at Georgia Southern (who was FCS at the time). Even Bobo comes with an asterisk: Colorado State previously had the very successful Jim McElwain and tried to replicate his tenure by hiring another long term SEC offensive coordinator. So, Saban had more to do with Bobo getting a head coaching job than Richt did.

It is more than just a largely underwhelming group of assistants. It is also that Richt has never successfully implemented a coherent system or philosophy on offense or defense. On defense UGA was basically 4-3 under BVG, 4-6 (with zone in the secondary!) under Martinez, switched to a 3-4 under Grantham, and now still play 3-4 but with an entirely different philosophy under Pruitt. But that can be forgiven: Richt is an offensive guy, right? Except that Richt spent his initial years in Athens trying and failing to implement the FSU offense while being his own coordinator, even though that offense wasn't really the best fit for David Greene or the WRs. Then he had a kinda sorta spread look with D. J. Shockley for a year. Then they went through the "pure pro style" era with Matt Stafford, followed by a couple of years of incoherency (including but not limited to a failed attempt to put in a wildcat/wild dawg package with Logan Gray and then trying to figure out what to do with Aaron Murray after Mettenberger got kicked out of school) before settling on a return to UGA power running/play action football and then scrapping that for Brian "trading on my dad's last name and accomplishments" Schottenheimer's west coast offense. It would be one thing if you could say that UGA was adapting their offense to their personnel like Mack Brown did during his most successful years at Texas going from a pro-style QB in Chris Simms and Major Applewhite to a zone-read option with Vince Young to a spread with Colt McCoy, but UGA only actually did that during the Matt Stafford era. The rest of the time, UGA was mostly trying and failing to put square pegs in round holes with Richt on offense.

Yes, Richt won games at UGA; a lot of them. But please consider:

UGA plays 3 OOC games against cupcakes and a 4th against greatly overmatched Georgia Tech (whose recruiting has fallen off the map under their current coach and particularly since 2010).

The SEC East has 4 teams (South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri, Vanderbilt) who really don't recruit much better than Tech most years.

The other 2 traditional powers in the East are Florida and Tennessee. The Vols haven't won the SEC this century. They haven't won the SEC East since 2007, which was the last time before this season that they reached 8 wins, and their last team with fewer than 4 losses was 2004 (when they lost 3, as they did in 2002) and they lost 5 in 2002. Add it all up and Richt only played a single top 10 Tennessee team - the 2001 edition - to which Richt lost. As a matter of fact, Richt is 1-3 against the 4 Tennessee teams to win 10 games, including a 35-14 embarrassment by the 2007 team that UGA fans strangely insist should have played for the national title despite their best victories coming against a pair of 9-4 Auburn and Florida teams and also an 8-5 Kentucky team (Auburn and Kentucky at home, Florida at a neutral site).

Florida meanwhile has been feast and famine, but truthfully mostly famine (the failed Zook and Muschamp regimes, the beginning and end of the Meyer era, meaning that Florida only reached 10 wins 6 times in the Richt era). Imagine if Richt had played Spurrier and Fulmer at their peaks in the 1990s when Florida only failed to reach 10 wins thrice (when they won 9) and Tennessee was one step behind.

Then you have Georgia's other SEC foe: Auburn, who was great in 2012, 2010 and 2004, good in 2006 but has otherwise been a mess throughout the Richt era, even in the years when they exploited similarly weak scheduling (back when the Mississippi schools were terrible for instance, and Auburn doesn't even have a regular OOC rival like Tech so their 4 games are generally even weaker than UGA's) to scratch out 9 wins despite real problems scoring points under Tuberville or stopping anybody in the years since.

So add it all up ... how many wins does Richt have over teams that finished ranked in the top 10 in the final poll (not teams that were in the top 10 when UGA played them but finished up 7-6 or 8-5)? Not very many. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished with fewer than 3 losses? Virtually none. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished in the top 5 in the final polls, including (for example) teams that went on to win the SEC and/or play for the national title? Nada. Zip. None. This means that in 15 years, Richt has zero big wins. That is the bottom line. Richt has nothing that should be considered a "big win" by a program of UGA's caliber. In fact, the biggest win of Richt's career came in the 2005 SEC championship game against a 3 loss LSU team. That was the best, most talented team that Richt has ever beaten ... one that was riddled with injuries (much of their OL and their entire scholarship depth chart at RB out due to injury, and oh yes UGA knocked out their starting QB in the first quarter) and exhausted because of having to play 13 consecutive weeks due to Hurricane Katrina.

Final analysis: Richt is a great guy. But as a coach, UGA can and should do better.
Brilliant, just brilliant Marshall. Thanks for the well thought out post.
 
Look, I love Mark Richt as a person. I will never forget his role in the Southern Baptist film "Facing The Giants" for instance. (And people looking for more quality evangelical Christian entertainment along that vein should also check out "The Time Changer", "God's Not Dead", "Do You Believe", "War Room", "God's Outlaw" and "Flywheel.") But for people who want to play that card ... Richt was making $4 million a year and also had among the highest paid group of assistants in the country. He demanded that UGA invest tens of millions in new facilities while the state was dealing with a severe recession, cuts to higher education that saw several whole colleges eliminated (including SPSU - the state's best undergrad STEM school - and GPC the state's largest and best junior college) and while UGA was chasing every penny that they could to build a credible engineering school and start a medical program so they could challenge AAU members Missouri and Florida (as well as Auburn) in research. And oh yes, graduation rates were terrible under Richt and so were off-the-field problems. So the folks who were using the "Richt is a great man who brings much-needed integrity to the sport" justification for holding onto the guy were purposefully avoiding the entire picture. Richt is as much of an SEC guy (and before that a Florida State guy ... and if you believe that the issues with FSU began and ended with Jimbo Fisher and Jameis Winston you are nuts ... FSU was practically notorious in the 1990s when Richt was on that staff) as anyone else.

Second, the idea that ethics hamstrung UGA under Richt is also pretty much false, and mostly sour grapes. The truth is that more than a few coaches that have had more success than Richt run programs that are as clean - or are even cleaner - than Richt's UGA, and UGA fans have spent the last few years especially overhyping issues at every other successful program while ignoring the long line of arrests and suspensions in Athens. Case in point: the one time Bob Stoops got in trouble with the NCAA in Oklahoma was over an issue that they reported themselves. (When the NCAA tried to hammer OU over it, Stoops appealed AND WON.) Steve Spurrier actually cleaned up two programs that were in significant NCAA trouble at the time (Florida and South Carolina) AND helped expose the cheating that Mike DuBose was doing at Alabama. The next time that Dabo Swinney, David Shaw, Mark Dantonio or Jim Harbaugh gets accused of anything untoward will be the first. And make an issue of Nick Saban's roster management tactics all you want ... it is entirely within NCAA rules and even more important Saban is 100% upfront about it during recruiting which is why not one kid who has gotten his scholarship pulled by Saban has ever groused about it.

Finally, the Mark Richt regime at UGA has two eras. Everyone likes to look at it as "before 2008/after 2008" and claim that the notorious home loss to Saban and Alabama was the event that UGA went from being a contending, up-and-coming program to going into a downward spiral that Richt never recovered from. Sorry, that is false. This is more accurate: with Donnan's players (including Richt's initial recruiting classes that Donnan had in the pipeline that Richt retained) and without them.

When Richt was playing Donnan's recruits, UGA averaged 11 wins a season and won 2 SEC titles. Since D.J. Shockley and the last batch of Donnan guys left in 2005, UGA has averaged 4 losses a season, actually had a losing record against South Carolina until 2014, and won the SEC East as many times as Missouri (and even that was due to South Carolina having a much tougher SEC draw in 2011 and 2012). A major reason: QB play has been very inconsistent since the guys that Donnan recruited to play the position left Athens, and Richt has been hilariously passing up in-state 4 and 5 star guys like Cam Newton, Connor Shaw, Blake Sims, Josh Dobbs and DeShaun Watson for the likes of Brice Ramsey, Jacob Park, Faton Bauta, Logan Gray, reality TV star Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay. The typical excuse: the guys passed up were spread/dual threat guys who couldn't learn a pro style offense. Fine, except that Bauta, Gray, Mason and Aaron Murray were spread/dual threat QBs too, and Newton, Shaw, Sims and Watson all proved to be very capable passers at other schools (and in Newton's case the NFL). It wasn't the pro-style versus spread/dual threat thing but that Richt had this bizarre belief that nontraditional QBs from out of state were better than in-state products like Shaw and Watson that had similar or in some cases much higher ratings.

QB is only part of the story. For all the hype that Richt's recruiting gets, Donnan was actually better at finding players. It was Donnan who recruited future NFL Hall of Famers like Hines Ward and Champ Bailey. (Would Richt have given Ward, a 4 star guy with terrible measurables 5'9", 4.6 40, high school QB with a weak arm a scholarship?) Of course not. Donnan was also the one who recruited dominant players at both lines. Where Donnan had 4 guys on the DL that were 285 lbs. and super athletic future 1st round draft picks at the same time (Charles Grant, Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, Jonathan Sullivan) has a single Richt recruit at DT ever been a #1 draft pick? Hasn't been much better at DE either. David Pollack? Recruited by Donnan. Jarvis Jones? Remember ... he originally went to Southern Cal, broke his neck, and then went to UGA only because USC's doctors wouldn't medically clear him.

Offensive line is more of the same. UGA hasn't sent an OL in the first round since Donnan recruit George Foster in 2003. Keep in mind that the Stinchcombs (1st and 2nd rounders) and 1st rounder Chris Terry, 2nd rounder Adam Meadows and 3rd rounder Jonas Jennings were OTs that UGA sent to the NFL around that same era too. By contrast, the only starting NFL OT that Richt has recruited to UGA was Cordy Glenn. (I do acknowledge that John Theus will be #2). So Donnan recruited the QBs (it is nuts to think that Donnan would have tried to get Cam Newton to play TE/DE and opened the possibility of moving to WR/DB with Deshaun Watson like Richt's staff did) and the difference makers up front on both sides of the line. Richt hasn't been able to consistently do either and you see the results.

The final thing: running a program. Consider that successful coaches like the Sabans, Carrolls, Meyers, Stoops etc. have "coaching trees", guys who have gone on to head coaching jobs at other major schools. (Example: at one point nearly half the head coaches in the Big 12 were former Bob Stoops assistants.) But the next guy who goes directly from Mark Richt's staff to a head coaching job at a major school will be the first. And Richt assistants have only gotten 2 jobs at MINOR schools: Bobo at Colorado State and VanGorder at Georgia Southern (who was FCS at the time). Even Bobo comes with an asterisk: Colorado State previously had the very successful Jim McElwain and tried to replicate his tenure by hiring another long term SEC offensive coordinator. So, Saban had more to do with Bobo getting a head coaching job than Richt did.

It is more than just a largely underwhelming group of assistants. It is also that Richt has never successfully implemented a coherent system or philosophy on offense or defense. On defense UGA was basically 4-3 under BVG, 4-6 (with zone in the secondary!) under Martinez, switched to a 3-4 under Grantham, and now still play 3-4 but with an entirely different philosophy under Pruitt. But that can be forgiven: Richt is an offensive guy, right? Except that Richt spent his initial years in Athens trying and failing to implement the FSU offense while being his own coordinator, even though that offense wasn't really the best fit for David Greene or the WRs. Then he had a kinda sorta spread look with D. J. Shockley for a year. Then they went through the "pure pro style" era with Matt Stafford, followed by a couple of years of incoherency (including but not limited to a failed attempt to put in a wildcat/wild dawg package with Logan Gray and then trying to figure out what to do with Aaron Murray after Mettenberger got kicked out of school) before settling on a return to UGA power running/play action football and then scrapping that for Brian "trading on my dad's last name and accomplishments" Schottenheimer's west coast offense. It would be one thing if you could say that UGA was adapting their offense to their personnel like Mack Brown did during his most successful years at Texas going from a pro-style QB in Chris Simms and Major Applewhite to a zone-read option with Vince Young to a spread with Colt McCoy, but UGA only actually did that during the Matt Stafford era. The rest of the time, UGA was mostly trying and failing to put square pegs in round holes with Richt on offense.

Yes, Richt won games at UGA; a lot of them. But please consider:

UGA plays 3 OOC games against cupcakes and a 4th against greatly overmatched Georgia Tech (whose recruiting has fallen off the map under their current coach and particularly since 2010).

The SEC East has 4 teams (South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri, Vanderbilt) who really don't recruit much better than Tech most years.

The other 2 traditional powers in the East are Florida and Tennessee. The Vols haven't won the SEC this century. They haven't won the SEC East since 2007, which was the last time before this season that they reached 8 wins, and their last team with fewer than 4 losses was 2004 (when they lost 3, as they did in 2002) and they lost 5 in 2002. Add it all up and Richt only played a single top 10 Tennessee team - the 2001 edition - to which Richt lost. As a matter of fact, Richt is 1-3 against the 4 Tennessee teams to win 10 games, including a 35-14 embarrassment by the 2007 team that UGA fans strangely insist should have played for the national title despite their best victories coming against a pair of 9-4 Auburn and Florida teams and also an 8-5 Kentucky team (Auburn and Kentucky at home, Florida at a neutral site).

Florida meanwhile has been feast and famine, but truthfully mostly famine (the failed Zook and Muschamp regimes, the beginning and end of the Meyer era, meaning that Florida only reached 10 wins 6 times in the Richt era). Imagine if Richt had played Spurrier and Fulmer at their peaks in the 1990s when Florida only failed to reach 10 wins thrice (when they won 9) and Tennessee was one step behind.

Then you have Georgia's other SEC foe: Auburn, who was great in 2012, 2010 and 2004, good in 2006 but has otherwise been a mess throughout the Richt era, even in the years when they exploited similarly weak scheduling (back when the Mississippi schools were terrible for instance, and Auburn doesn't even have a regular OOC rival like Tech so their 4 games are generally even weaker than UGA's) to scratch out 9 wins despite real problems scoring points under Tuberville or stopping anybody in the years since.

So add it all up ... how many wins does Richt have over teams that finished ranked in the top 10 in the final poll (not teams that were in the top 10 when UGA played them but finished up 7-6 or 8-5)? Not very many. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished with fewer than 3 losses? Virtually none. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished in the top 5 in the final polls, including (for example) teams that went on to win the SEC and/or play for the national title? Nada. Zip. None. This means that in 15 years, Richt has zero big wins. That is the bottom line. Richt has nothing that should be considered a "big win" by a program of UGA's caliber. In fact, the biggest win of Richt's career came in the 2005 SEC championship game against a 3 loss LSU team. That was the best, most talented team that Richt has ever beaten ... one that was riddled with injuries (much of their OL and their entire scholarship depth chart at RB out due to injury, and oh yes UGA knocked out their starting QB in the first quarter) and exhausted because of having to play 13 consecutive weeks due to Hurricane Katrina.

Final analysis: Richt is a great guy. But as a coach, UGA can and should do better.
Tennessee in 2001 had one regular season loss until the SECC game: Georgia. LSU had one loss until the 2005 SECC game, which they lost to Georgia: Tennessee. Both were in the Top 5 when Georgia beat them or were in the Top 5 after the regular season. Florida was #2 when Georgia beat them in 2012 and was a 1 loss team going into the Sugar Bowl. That's big. It won Georgia the division. Auburn was once beaten and either 5 or 6 when Georgia beat them late in 2006. They finished high, as well. That's four big wins vs Top 5 competition, not zero. Alabama on the road in 2002 was big. Auburn in 2002 was very big. Florida in 2007 was big. Tech in 2009 was big. They were Top 10 with 1 loss. Went to the Orange Bowl. Georgia beat LSU in 2013 when they were top 5, although they finished in the mid teens. I can't recall any more. I enjoyed your manifesto and don't disagree entirely, but your "no big wins under Richt" conclusion is clearly not correct. Tighten up your research.
 
Look, I love Mark Richt as a person. I will never forget his role in the Southern Baptist film "Facing The Giants" for instance. (And people looking for more quality evangelical Christian entertainment along that vein should also check out "The Time Changer", "God's Not Dead", "Do You Believe", "War Room", "God's Outlaw" and "Flywheel.") But for people who want to play that card ... Richt was making $4 million a year and also had among the highest paid group of assistants in the country. He demanded that UGA invest tens of millions in new facilities while the state was dealing with a severe recession, cuts to higher education that saw several whole colleges eliminated (including SPSU - the state's best undergrad STEM school - and GPC the state's largest and best junior college) and while UGA was chasing every penny that they could to build a credible engineering school and start a medical program so they could challenge AAU members Missouri and Florida (as well as Auburn) in research. And oh yes, graduation rates were terrible under Richt and so were off-the-field problems. So the folks who were using the "Richt is a great man who brings much-needed integrity to the sport" justification for holding onto the guy were purposefully avoiding the entire picture. Richt is as much of an SEC guy (and before that a Florida State guy ... and if you believe that the issues with FSU began and ended with Jimbo Fisher and Jameis Winston you are nuts ... FSU was practically notorious in the 1990s when Richt was on that staff) as anyone else.

Second, the idea that ethics hamstrung UGA under Richt is also pretty much false, and mostly sour grapes. The truth is that more than a few coaches that have had more success than Richt run programs that are as clean - or are even cleaner - than Richt's UGA, and UGA fans have spent the last few years especially overhyping issues at every other successful program while ignoring the long line of arrests and suspensions in Athens. Case in point: the one time Bob Stoops got in trouble with the NCAA in Oklahoma was over an issue that they reported themselves. (When the NCAA tried to hammer OU over it, Stoops appealed AND WON.) Steve Spurrier actually cleaned up two programs that were in significant NCAA trouble at the time (Florida and South Carolina) AND helped expose the cheating that Mike DuBose was doing at Alabama. The next time that Dabo Swinney, David Shaw, Mark Dantonio or Jim Harbaugh gets accused of anything untoward will be the first. And make an issue of Nick Saban's roster management tactics all you want ... it is entirely within NCAA rules and even more important Saban is 100% upfront about it during recruiting which is why not one kid who has gotten his scholarship pulled by Saban has ever groused about it.

Finally, the Mark Richt regime at UGA has two eras. Everyone likes to look at it as "before 2008/after 2008" and claim that the notorious home loss to Saban and Alabama was the event that UGA went from being a contending, up-and-coming program to going into a downward spiral that Richt never recovered from. Sorry, that is false. This is more accurate: with Donnan's players (including Richt's initial recruiting classes that Donnan had in the pipeline that Richt retained) and without them.

When Richt was playing Donnan's recruits, UGA averaged 11 wins a season and won 2 SEC titles. Since D.J. Shockley and the last batch of Donnan guys left in 2005, UGA has averaged 4 losses a season, actually had a losing record against South Carolina until 2014, and won the SEC East as many times as Missouri (and even that was due to South Carolina having a much tougher SEC draw in 2011 and 2012). A major reason: QB play has been very inconsistent since the guys that Donnan recruited to play the position left Athens, and Richt has been hilariously passing up in-state 4 and 5 star guys like Cam Newton, Connor Shaw, Blake Sims, Josh Dobbs and DeShaun Watson for the likes of Brice Ramsey, Jacob Park, Faton Bauta, Logan Gray, reality TV star Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay. The typical excuse: the guys passed up were spread/dual threat guys who couldn't learn a pro style offense. Fine, except that Bauta, Gray, Mason and Aaron Murray were spread/dual threat QBs too, and Newton, Shaw, Sims and Watson all proved to be very capable passers at other schools (and in Newton's case the NFL). It wasn't the pro-style versus spread/dual threat thing but that Richt had this bizarre belief that nontraditional QBs from out of state were better than in-state products like Shaw and Watson that had similar or in some cases much higher ratings.

QB is only part of the story. For all the hype that Richt's recruiting gets, Donnan was actually better at finding players. It was Donnan who recruited future NFL Hall of Famers like Hines Ward and Champ Bailey. (Would Richt have given Ward, a 4 star guy with terrible measurables 5'9", 4.6 40, high school QB with a weak arm a scholarship?) Of course not. Donnan was also the one who recruited dominant players at both lines. Where Donnan had 4 guys on the DL that were 285 lbs. and super athletic future 1st round draft picks at the same time (Charles Grant, Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, Jonathan Sullivan) has a single Richt recruit at DT ever been a #1 draft pick? Hasn't been much better at DE either. David Pollack? Recruited by Donnan. Jarvis Jones? Remember ... he originally went to Southern Cal, broke his neck, and then went to UGA only because USC's doctors wouldn't medically clear him.

Offensive line is more of the same. UGA hasn't sent an OL in the first round since Donnan recruit George Foster in 2003. Keep in mind that the Stinchcombs (1st and 2nd rounders) and 1st rounder Chris Terry, 2nd rounder Adam Meadows and 3rd rounder Jonas Jennings were OTs that UGA sent to the NFL around that same era too. By contrast, the only starting NFL OT that Richt has recruited to UGA was Cordy Glenn. (I do acknowledge that John Theus will be #2). So Donnan recruited the QBs (it is nuts to think that Donnan would have tried to get Cam Newton to play TE/DE and opened the possibility of moving to WR/DB with Deshaun Watson like Richt's staff did) and the difference makers up front on both sides of the line. Richt hasn't been able to consistently do either and you see the results.

The final thing: running a program. Consider that successful coaches like the Sabans, Carrolls, Meyers, Stoops etc. have "coaching trees", guys who have gone on to head coaching jobs at other major schools. (Example: at one point nearly half the head coaches in the Big 12 were former Bob Stoops assistants.) But the next guy who goes directly from Mark Richt's staff to a head coaching job at a major school will be the first. And Richt assistants have only gotten 2 jobs at MINOR schools: Bobo at Colorado State and VanGorder at Georgia Southern (who was FCS at the time). Even Bobo comes with an asterisk: Colorado State previously had the very successful Jim McElwain and tried to replicate his tenure by hiring another long term SEC offensive coordinator. So, Saban had more to do with Bobo getting a head coaching job than Richt did.

It is more than just a largely underwhelming group of assistants. It is also that Richt has never successfully implemented a coherent system or philosophy on offense or defense. On defense UGA was basically 4-3 under BVG, 4-6 (with zone in the secondary!) under Martinez, switched to a 3-4 under Grantham, and now still play 3-4 but with an entirely different philosophy under Pruitt. But that can be forgiven: Richt is an offensive guy, right? Except that Richt spent his initial years in Athens trying and failing to implement the FSU offense while being his own coordinator, even though that offense wasn't really the best fit for David Greene or the WRs. Then he had a kinda sorta spread look with D. J. Shockley for a year. Then they went through the "pure pro style" era with Matt Stafford, followed by a couple of years of incoherency (including but not limited to a failed attempt to put in a wildcat/wild dawg package with Logan Gray and then trying to figure out what to do with Aaron Murray after Mettenberger got kicked out of school) before settling on a return to UGA power running/play action football and then scrapping that for Brian "trading on my dad's last name and accomplishments" Schottenheimer's west coast offense. It would be one thing if you could say that UGA was adapting their offense to their personnel like Mack Brown did during his most successful years at Texas going from a pro-style QB in Chris Simms and Major Applewhite to a zone-read option with Vince Young to a spread with Colt McCoy, but UGA only actually did that during the Matt Stafford era. The rest of the time, UGA was mostly trying and failing to put square pegs in round holes with Richt on offense.

Yes, Richt won games at UGA; a lot of them. But please consider:

UGA plays 3 OOC games against cupcakes and a 4th against greatly overmatched Georgia Tech (whose recruiting has fallen off the map under their current coach and particularly since 2010).

The SEC East has 4 teams (South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri, Vanderbilt) who really don't recruit much better than Tech most years.

The other 2 traditional powers in the East are Florida and Tennessee. The Vols haven't won the SEC this century. They haven't won the SEC East since 2007, which was the last time before this season that they reached 8 wins, and their last team with fewer than 4 losses was 2004 (when they lost 3, as they did in 2002) and they lost 5 in 2002. Add it all up and Richt only played a single top 10 Tennessee team - the 2001 edition - to which Richt lost. As a matter of fact, Richt is 1-3 against the 4 Tennessee teams to win 10 games, including a 35-14 embarrassment by the 2007 team that UGA fans strangely insist should have played for the national title despite their best victories coming against a pair of 9-4 Auburn and Florida teams and also an 8-5 Kentucky team (Auburn and Kentucky at home, Florida at a neutral site).

Florida meanwhile has been feast and famine, but truthfully mostly famine (the failed Zook and Muschamp regimes, the beginning and end of the Meyer era, meaning that Florida only reached 10 wins 6 times in the Richt era). Imagine if Richt had played Spurrier and Fulmer at their peaks in the 1990s when Florida only failed to reach 10 wins thrice (when they won 9) and Tennessee was one step behind.

Then you have Georgia's other SEC foe: Auburn, who was great in 2012, 2010 and 2004, good in 2006 but has otherwise been a mess throughout the Richt era, even in the years when they exploited similarly weak scheduling (back when the Mississippi schools were terrible for instance, and Auburn doesn't even have a regular OOC rival like Tech so their 4 games are generally even weaker than UGA's) to scratch out 9 wins despite real problems scoring points under Tuberville or stopping anybody in the years since.

So add it all up ... how many wins does Richt have over teams that finished ranked in the top 10 in the final poll (not teams that were in the top 10 when UGA played them but finished up 7-6 or 8-5)? Not very many. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished with fewer than 3 losses? Virtually none. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished in the top 5 in the final polls, including (for example) teams that went on to win the SEC and/or play for the national title? Nada. Zip. None. This means that in 15 years, Richt has zero big wins. That is the bottom line. Richt has nothing that should be considered a "big win" by a program of UGA's caliber. In fact, the biggest win of Richt's career came in the 2005 SEC championship game against a 3 loss LSU team. That was the best, most talented team that Richt has ever beaten ... one that was riddled with injuries (much of their OL and their entire scholarship depth chart at RB out due to injury, and oh yes UGA knocked out their starting QB in the first quarter) and exhausted because of having to play 13 consecutive weeks due to Hurricane Katrina.

Final analysis: Richt is a great guy. But as a coach, UGA can and should do better.

Great analysis. Appreciate the read and agree with you
 
Facts?? No. Mostly just opinion.
Marshall, you assert that Richt won early with Donnan's players. Ok so what?? He did what Donnan failed to do and there were very few Donnan recruits left in 2005.

On suspensions and arrests: Yes Richt did have many suspensions but that's because he and UGA actually had rules and actually enforced them. The same goes for law enforcement in Athens unlike places like Tallahassee for example. It's fair to say that Richt was a bad judge of character in recruiting some of the trouble makers but you're a fool if you think other schools in the region would have culled them. See Auburn.

On graduation rates. You posted 2 links to blogs regarding graduation rates but they refer to Georgia basketball under Harrick and football rates under Donnan. Whats up with that? In the last 3 graduation success rates published in the SEC UGA is 7th, 5th, and 1st. Your statement that rates were terrible under Richt are simply not true.

On the other hand, the most true statement you made was about the offensive line. In my opinion, this is where Richt failed miserably and is the root cause of his failure to win at a higher level. The O line never got back to the level it was under Neil Callaway. By the way, Callaway left to be a head coach.

With that said, I look forward to having some new energy in the program and look forward to having no more diatribes for or against Mark Richt


One clarification, its a misnomer to say Richt had success where Donnan failed. I am not a Donnan fan, but I give him his first year as a right off, we had been bad for 3 straight years and were in disarray, so with any coach there first year of a somewhat long term dumpster fire, I discount his first year. His last 4 year he averaged just under 9 wins going 10-2, 9-3, 8-4 and 8-4. Richt took it over a hump, but he didn't inherit a team that wasn't winning games, we just didn't win the big games and ones that mattered (sound familiar?) After his first 5 years, Richt started showing a few mis-steps, but overall that was overlooked and probably rightfully so, but the past 3, with a much weaker east than Donnan saw or Richt saw his first 4-5 seasons, we have failed to win anything of not. 0-9 against SEC ranked teams our last nine. 2-12 against all ranked teams our last 14, and we haven't beat a top 15 team in that 14, only those ranked 16-25.
 
Look, I love Mark Richt as a person. I will never forget his role in the Southern Baptist film "Facing The Giants" for instance. (And people looking for more quality evangelical Christian entertainment along that vein should also check out "The Time Changer", "God's Not Dead", "Do You Believe", "War Room", "God's Outlaw" and "Flywheel.") But for people who want to play that card ... Richt was making $4 million a year and also had among the highest paid group of assistants in the country. He demanded that UGA invest tens of millions in new facilities while the state was dealing with a severe recession, cuts to higher education that saw several whole colleges eliminated (including SPSU - the state's best undergrad STEM school - and GPC the state's largest and best junior college) and while UGA was chasing every penny that they could to build a credible engineering school and start a medical program so they could challenge AAU members Missouri and Florida (as well as Auburn) in research. And oh yes, graduation rates were terrible under Richt and so were off-the-field problems. So the folks who were using the "Richt is a great man who brings much-needed integrity to the sport" justification for holding onto the guy were purposefully avoiding the entire picture. Richt is as much of an SEC guy (and before that a Florida State guy ... and if you believe that the issues with FSU began and ended with Jimbo Fisher and Jameis Winston you are nuts ... FSU was practically notorious in the 1990s when Richt was on that staff) as anyone else.

Second, the idea that ethics hamstrung UGA under Richt is also pretty much false, and mostly sour grapes. The truth is that more than a few coaches that have had more success than Richt run programs that are as clean - or are even cleaner - than Richt's UGA, and UGA fans have spent the last few years especially overhyping issues at every other successful program while ignoring the long line of arrests and suspensions in Athens. Case in point: the one time Bob Stoops got in trouble with the NCAA in Oklahoma was over an issue that they reported themselves. (When the NCAA tried to hammer OU over it, Stoops appealed AND WON.) Steve Spurrier actually cleaned up two programs that were in significant NCAA trouble at the time (Florida and South Carolina) AND helped expose the cheating that Mike DuBose was doing at Alabama. The next time that Dabo Swinney, David Shaw, Mark Dantonio or Jim Harbaugh gets accused of anything untoward will be the first. And make an issue of Nick Saban's roster management tactics all you want ... it is entirely within NCAA rules and even more important Saban is 100% upfront about it during recruiting which is why not one kid who has gotten his scholarship pulled by Saban has ever groused about it.

Finally, the Mark Richt regime at UGA has two eras. Everyone likes to look at it as "before 2008/after 2008" and claim that the notorious home loss to Saban and Alabama was the event that UGA went from being a contending, up-and-coming program to going into a downward spiral that Richt never recovered from. Sorry, that is false. This is more accurate: with Donnan's players (including Richt's initial recruiting classes that Donnan had in the pipeline that Richt retained) and without them.

When Richt was playing Donnan's recruits, UGA averaged 11 wins a season and won 2 SEC titles. Since D.J. Shockley and the last batch of Donnan guys left in 2005, UGA has averaged 4 losses a season, actually had a losing record against South Carolina until 2014, and won the SEC East as many times as Missouri (and even that was due to South Carolina having a much tougher SEC draw in 2011 and 2012). A major reason: QB play has been very inconsistent since the guys that Donnan recruited to play the position left Athens, and Richt has been hilariously passing up in-state 4 and 5 star guys like Cam Newton, Connor Shaw, Blake Sims, Josh Dobbs and DeShaun Watson for the likes of Brice Ramsey, Jacob Park, Faton Bauta, Logan Gray, reality TV star Hutson Mason and Christian LeMay. The typical excuse: the guys passed up were spread/dual threat guys who couldn't learn a pro style offense. Fine, except that Bauta, Gray, Mason and Aaron Murray were spread/dual threat QBs too, and Newton, Shaw, Sims and Watson all proved to be very capable passers at other schools (and in Newton's case the NFL). It wasn't the pro-style versus spread/dual threat thing but that Richt had this bizarre belief that nontraditional QBs from out of state were better than in-state products like Shaw and Watson that had similar or in some cases much higher ratings.

QB is only part of the story. For all the hype that Richt's recruiting gets, Donnan was actually better at finding players. It was Donnan who recruited future NFL Hall of Famers like Hines Ward and Champ Bailey. (Would Richt have given Ward, a 4 star guy with terrible measurables 5'9", 4.6 40, high school QB with a weak arm a scholarship?) Of course not. Donnan was also the one who recruited dominant players at both lines. Where Donnan had 4 guys on the DL that were 285 lbs. and super athletic future 1st round draft picks at the same time (Charles Grant, Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, Jonathan Sullivan) has a single Richt recruit at DT ever been a #1 draft pick? Hasn't been much better at DE either. David Pollack? Recruited by Donnan. Jarvis Jones? Remember ... he originally went to Southern Cal, broke his neck, and then went to UGA only because USC's doctors wouldn't medically clear him.

Offensive line is more of the same. UGA hasn't sent an OL in the first round since Donnan recruit George Foster in 2003. Keep in mind that the Stinchcombs (1st and 2nd rounders) and 1st rounder Chris Terry, 2nd rounder Adam Meadows and 3rd rounder Jonas Jennings were OTs that UGA sent to the NFL around that same era too. By contrast, the only starting NFL OT that Richt has recruited to UGA was Cordy Glenn. (I do acknowledge that John Theus will be #2). So Donnan recruited the QBs (it is nuts to think that Donnan would have tried to get Cam Newton to play TE/DE and opened the possibility of moving to WR/DB with Deshaun Watson like Richt's staff did) and the difference makers up front on both sides of the line. Richt hasn't been able to consistently do either and you see the results.

The final thing: running a program. Consider that successful coaches like the Sabans, Carrolls, Meyers, Stoops etc. have "coaching trees", guys who have gone on to head coaching jobs at other major schools. (Example: at one point nearly half the head coaches in the Big 12 were former Bob Stoops assistants.) But the next guy who goes directly from Mark Richt's staff to a head coaching job at a major school will be the first. And Richt assistants have only gotten 2 jobs at MINOR schools: Bobo at Colorado State and VanGorder at Georgia Southern (who was FCS at the time). Even Bobo comes with an asterisk: Colorado State previously had the very successful Jim McElwain and tried to replicate his tenure by hiring another long term SEC offensive coordinator. So, Saban had more to do with Bobo getting a head coaching job than Richt did.

It is more than just a largely underwhelming group of assistants. It is also that Richt has never successfully implemented a coherent system or philosophy on offense or defense. On defense UGA was basically 4-3 under BVG, 4-6 (with zone in the secondary!) under Martinez, switched to a 3-4 under Grantham, and now still play 3-4 but with an entirely different philosophy under Pruitt. But that can be forgiven: Richt is an offensive guy, right? Except that Richt spent his initial years in Athens trying and failing to implement the FSU offense while being his own coordinator, even though that offense wasn't really the best fit for David Greene or the WRs. Then he had a kinda sorta spread look with D. J. Shockley for a year. Then they went through the "pure pro style" era with Matt Stafford, followed by a couple of years of incoherency (including but not limited to a failed attempt to put in a wildcat/wild dawg package with Logan Gray and then trying to figure out what to do with Aaron Murray after Mettenberger got kicked out of school) before settling on a return to UGA power running/play action football and then scrapping that for Brian "trading on my dad's last name and accomplishments" Schottenheimer's west coast offense. It would be one thing if you could say that UGA was adapting their offense to their personnel like Mack Brown did during his most successful years at Texas going from a pro-style QB in Chris Simms and Major Applewhite to a zone-read option with Vince Young to a spread with Colt McCoy, but UGA only actually did that during the Matt Stafford era. The rest of the time, UGA was mostly trying and failing to put square pegs in round holes with Richt on offense.

Yes, Richt won games at UGA; a lot of them. But please consider:

UGA plays 3 OOC games against cupcakes and a 4th against greatly overmatched Georgia Tech (whose recruiting has fallen off the map under their current coach and particularly since 2010).

The SEC East has 4 teams (South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri, Vanderbilt) who really don't recruit much better than Tech most years.

The other 2 traditional powers in the East are Florida and Tennessee. The Vols haven't won the SEC this century. They haven't won the SEC East since 2007, which was the last time before this season that they reached 8 wins, and their last team with fewer than 4 losses was 2004 (when they lost 3, as they did in 2002) and they lost 5 in 2002. Add it all up and Richt only played a single top 10 Tennessee team - the 2001 edition - to which Richt lost. As a matter of fact, Richt is 1-3 against the 4 Tennessee teams to win 10 games, including a 35-14 embarrassment by the 2007 team that UGA fans strangely insist should have played for the national title despite their best victories coming against a pair of 9-4 Auburn and Florida teams and also an 8-5 Kentucky team (Auburn and Kentucky at home, Florida at a neutral site).

Florida meanwhile has been feast and famine, but truthfully mostly famine (the failed Zook and Muschamp regimes, the beginning and end of the Meyer era, meaning that Florida only reached 10 wins 6 times in the Richt era). Imagine if Richt had played Spurrier and Fulmer at their peaks in the 1990s when Florida only failed to reach 10 wins thrice (when they won 9) and Tennessee was one step behind.

Then you have Georgia's other SEC foe: Auburn, who was great in 2012, 2010 and 2004, good in 2006 but has otherwise been a mess throughout the Richt era, even in the years when they exploited similarly weak scheduling (back when the Mississippi schools were terrible for instance, and Auburn doesn't even have a regular OOC rival like Tech so their 4 games are generally even weaker than UGA's) to scratch out 9 wins despite real problems scoring points under Tuberville or stopping anybody in the years since.

So add it all up ... how many wins does Richt have over teams that finished ranked in the top 10 in the final poll (not teams that were in the top 10 when UGA played them but finished up 7-6 or 8-5)? Not very many. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished with fewer than 3 losses? Virtually none. How many wins does Richt have over teams that finished in the top 5 in the final polls, including (for example) teams that went on to win the SEC and/or play for the national title? Nada. Zip. None. This means that in 15 years, Richt has zero big wins. That is the bottom line. Richt has nothing that should be considered a "big win" by a program of UGA's caliber. In fact, the biggest win of Richt's career came in the 2005 SEC championship game against a 3 loss LSU team. That was the best, most talented team that Richt has ever beaten ... one that was riddled with injuries (much of their OL and their entire scholarship depth chart at RB out due to injury, and oh yes UGA knocked out their starting QB in the first quarter) and exhausted because of having to play 13 consecutive weeks due to Hurricane Katrina.

Final analysis: Richt is a great guy. But as a coach, UGA can and should do better.

A lot of good info in your post. I see it from another point of view and not necessarily a good one. I think we are over rated and we have an above average football program. We (our fans) hold the program to much higher expectations than we have ever achieved in reality. Our last NC was in 1980 and we think we are a top 5 program? Our expectations and our hope far exceeds who/what we actually are. I guess we could be a top 5 program one day it has been a long time since we've been as good as most of us think.
 
A lot of good info in your post. I see it from another point of view and not necessarily a good one. I think we are over rated and we have an above average football program. We (our fans) hold the program to much higher expectations than we have ever achieved in reality. Our last NC was in 1980 and we think we are a top 5 program? Our expectations and our hope far exceeds who/what we actually are. I guess we could be a top 5 program one day it has been a long time since we've been as good as most of us think.

we aren't a top 5 program, but we are considered a top 5 job for various reasons...mostly our fanbase/support, money, and recruiting base. That said, why stop with what has happened in the past? If UF had just said that exact same thing, they wouldn't be a top 5-10 program as they hadn't even won the SEC...EVER...before Steve Spurrier...literally the program was pretty nonexistent pre 1990. Only bear bryant and a few others said that with the right guy, they could be dominant...why...recruiting base, money, and support.
 
One clarification, its a misnomer to say Richt had success where Donnan failed. I am not a Donnan fan, but I give him his first year as a right off, we had been bad for 3 straight years and were in disarray, so with any coach there first year of a somewhat long term dumpster fire, I discount his first year. His last 4 year he averaged just under 9 wins going 10-2, 9-3, 8-4 and 8-4. Richt took it over a hump, but he didn't inherit a team that wasn't winning games, we just didn't win the big games and ones that mattered (sound familiar?) After his first 5 years, Richt started showing a few mis-steps, but overall that was overlooked and probably rightfully so, but the past 3, with a much weaker east than Donnan saw or Richt saw his first 4-5 seasons, we have failed to win anything of not. 0-9 against SEC ranked teams our last nine. 2-12 against all ranked teams our last 14, and we haven't beat a top 15 team in that 14, only those ranked 16-25.
Donnan's 9 wins his last 4 are as good as 10 wins today on the 12 game schedule. But Richt was an improvement overall. In perception if not in fact. Agree with most, except performance vs ranked SEC teams. AU in 2014 wasn't ranked? MIZZ 2014? LSU in 2013? SC in 2013? FL in 2012 (they were #2) or does your 9 start here?
 
Donnan's 9 wins his last 4 are as good as 10 wins today on the 12 game schedule. But Richt was an improvement overall. In perception if not in fact. Agree with most, except performance vs ranked SEC teams. AU in 2014 wasn't ranked? MIZZ 2014? LSU in 2013? SC in 2013? FL in 2012 (they were #2) or does your 9 start here?

It was ESPN's last 9 ranked SEC teams that we faced. The telling one to me is 5-21 against teams that finished with winning records in sec...that's just bad. Pretty sure Mizzou wasn't ranked when we faced them in 2014. Remember, they had only played really 2 opponents, and had lost to a bad Indiana team. Auburn may have been, but they had lost twice in the previous 30 days before us. No idea on 2013 LSU, could see it, could not see it, my guess though, ranked, but my guess is outside of past 9. South Carolina wasn't, they had some serious question marks coming in i do believe, but it was also 2nd game of season, they did get better. I know UF was 2
 
It was ESPN's last 9 ranked SEC teams that we faced. The telling one to me is 5-21 against teams that finished with winning records in sec...that's just bad. Pretty sure Mizzou wasn't ranked when we faced them in 2014. Remember, they had only played really 2 opponents, and had lost to a bad Indiana team. Auburn may have been, but they had lost twice in the previous 30 days before us. No idea on 2013 LSU, could see it, could not see it, my guess though, ranked, but my guess is outside of past 9. South Carolina wasn't, they had some serious question marks coming in i do believe, but it was also 2nd game of season, they did get better. I know UF was 2
LSU in 2013 was a top 10 team when we beat them. #6, I think. AU in 2014 had just two losses (they were ranked #6 before A&M beat them the week before we did) and were in the top 15. SC in 2013 was unbeaten and was ranked. I want to say #9. MZ had 1 loss in 2014, Indiana, but my recollection says they were just in the top 25.
 
we aren't a top 5 program, but we are considered a top 5 job for various reasons...mostly our fanbase/support, money, and recruiting base. That said, why stop with what has happened in the past? If UF had just said that exact same thing, they wouldn't be a top 5-10 program as they hadn't even won the SEC...EVER...before Steve Spurrier...literally the program was pretty nonexistent pre 1990. Only bear bryant and a few others said that with the right guy, they could be dominant...why...recruiting base, money, and support.

Spurrier turned UF into a top 5 football program during his tenure. He tormented Goff, Donnan and Richt, Fulmer and most all other coaches in the SEC during his time at UF. Jeremy Foley was the beneficiary of the success of the football program and he expanded on that and hired Billy Donavan who made the basketball program a perennial winner. We hired McGarity because of his experience under Foley. So far, it appears that McGarity has been a puppet of Michael Adams and now is a puppet of the large donors and not making the coaching decisions himself. Maybe I am wrong, but that is the way I see it.
 
Spurrier turned UF into a top 5 football program during his tenure. He tormented Goff, Donnan and Richt, Fulmer and most all other coaches in the SEC during his time at UF. Jeremy Foley was the beneficiary of the success of the football program and he expanded on that and hired Billy Donavan who made the basketball program a perennial winner. We hired McGarity because of his experience under Foley. So far, it appears that McGarity has been a puppet of Michael Adams and now is a puppet of the large donors and not making the coaching decisions himself. Maybe I am wrong, but that is the way I see it.


Whether we like it or not, large donors drive the bus and have for quite some time. When we all say football needs support staff like Bama, an IPF, etc..large donors are usually the ones who help get those trains rolling down the track so to speak. So far, the jury is out on GM...at UGA, it will always come down to football and then maybe men's basketball. If Fox doesn't make tourney, he could be out as well..so two big hires potentially not far apart. The rest is nice to have, but that's it.
 
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