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Well I won’t be buying anymore Nike UGA gear. Great while it lasted.

Well, this has been a fun read for me and I'm a little sad that the thread seems to be dying down, so here's my attempt to get it going again...

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Pretty surprising results there if ya ask me.

Especially interesting that Nike's favorability dropped amongst blacks. Must be some pretty hardcore racists in that group.

No Chew Dawg, I'll tell you what that means. More black Americans are able to have a piece of American pie under this president. The numbers of black Americans supporting the President has risen steadily with some polls showing as high as 36%. Personally I think the number is more like in the 20-25% area but still it is way above the 13% he got in 2016. Actually, that chart makes the number fall right in line with my estimate. I just realized that.
 
No Chew Dawg, I'll tell you what that means. More black Americans are able to have a piece of American pie under this president. The numbers of black Americans supporting the President has risen steadily with some polls showing as high as 36%. Personally I think the number is more like in the 20-25% area but still it is way above the 13% he got in 2016. Actually, that chart makes the number fall right in line with my estimate. I just realized that.

We just made a pretty big leap from "opinion about Nike" to "opinion about the president" don't ya think?
 
I think the poll is indicative of exactly that.

Eh, I don't. I think it's indicative of the question that was posed to those who took the poll which was "How favorably/unfavorably do you view Nike"

Trying to lump everyone into two groups where all the people in each group have to agree on all the same things is a terrible habit that we Americans need to get out of.

Take me for example: I think Nike's campaign is dumb and I generally don't like trump.

See? Just because you agree with someone on one topic doesn't mean that you automatically have to agree on another. People are allowed to--and often do--have a wide range of opinions that cut across various lines.
 
Eh, I don't. I think it's indicative of the question that was posed to those who took the poll which was "How favorably/unfavorably do you view Nike"

Trying to lump everyone into two groups where all the people in each group have to agree on all the same things is a terrible habit that we Americans need to get out of.

Take me for example: I think Nike's campaign is dumb and I generally don't like trump.

See? Just because you agree with someone on one topic doesn't mean that you automatically have to agree on another. People are allowed to--and often do--have a wide range of opinions that cut across various lines.

You don't like the President???? What a shocker!!!
I'm sure you don't want all those black folks waking up and realizing we're not European Americans or African Americans. We're all Americans plain and simple. We're recovering from the failed experiment of the Obama disaster thanks to Donald Trump … all of us black, white, whatever. More and more black people are realizing opportunity as a result of Trump's policies.
If we don't protect our house, the rest really does not matter. Disrespecting the flag over hyperventilated internal issues is not acceptable. Loyalty to this country comes first.
 
You don't like the President???? What a shocker!!!
I'm sure you don't want all those black folks waking up and realizing we're not European Americans or African Americans. We're all Americans plain and simple. We're recovering from the failed experiment of the Obama disaster thanks to Donald Trump … all of us black, white, whatever. More and more black people are realizing opportunity as a result of Trump's policies.
If we don't protect our house, the rest really does not matter. Disrespecting the flag over hyperventilated internal issues is not acceptable. Loyalty to this country comes first.

Why would you assume that? I'd love for folks to be less focused on their race and more focused on our common values as Americans. It's one of my biggest concerns, actually.

This is what I'm talking about, all I said was I don't care for Trump and suddenly you're putting words in my mouth and making baseless assumptions about what I think.

Why? If you want to talk about it, why not just try to understand where I'm coming from first?

FWIW, I mostly agree with everything in your post.
 
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Why would you assume that? I'd love for folks to be less focused on their race and more focused on our common values as Americans. It's one of my biggest concerns, actually.

This is what I'm talking about, all I said was I don't care for Trump and suddenly you're putting words in my mouth and making baseless assumptions about what I think.

Why? If you want to talk about it, why not just try to understand where I'm coming from first?

FWIW, I mostly agree with everything in your post.

OK, I retract, "I'm sure you don't want".
Let's talk about it.
One thing that has caught my attention and makes me wonder is:
What the hell does "liking" a president have to do with whether or not a president is doing a good job handling the affairs and concerns of the working class (the other classes do not matter).
 
OK, I retract, "I'm sure you don't want".
Let's talk about it.
One thing that has caught my attention and makes me wonder is:
What the hell does "liking" a president have to do with whether or not a president is doing a good job handling the affairs and concerns of the working class (the other classes do not matter).

I'm not sure that liking a president does have much to do with acknowledging the job they're doing. I don't have a problem admitting that certain aspects of our country have taken a turn for the better since Trump got elected:

-The economy is currently in great shape, no doubt
-We haven't gotten more involved in any pointless international conflicts in the past couple years. I'm quite happy about that
-Say what you want about the wisdom of meeting Kim Jung Un face to face, but we haven't seen any headlines related to N Korea threatening to nuke us since then. I'd say there has at least been a short term positive outcome from that meeting so I'll tip my hat.
-I detest the over-the-top PC nature of the average politician and for the most part, I like that he's more willing to say what he's actually thinking... though I think he goes way too far at times

On the other hand, the tariffs make me nervous. They go against the grain of conventional economic wisdom and I'm afraid we're getting short term gains at the expense of long-term prosperity.

A few of my biggest issues, though, which sour me more than anything are:

-I think he sets a poor example for how to act. Right or not, folks look to the president for a little moral leadership and I despise his habit of trashing anyone who opposes him. I think the rest of the country has started to follow his lead on that front and it's unraveling the social fabric of the country.
-I can't stand his pettiness. Constantly needing to take jabs at rivals--political and otherwise--should be beneath the office
-His impulsiveness scares me. When you've got a stage that big, small acts can set off chain reactions that are hugely consequential. Consistent reports that he acts alone without building a consensus within his inner circle make me nervous.

Maybe what this country needs is a hardened asshole to get us back on track after too many years of being "nice guys". I can buy that. But I'd like to see a more calculated asshole with a more even-keel temperament who has less of a need to settle personal scores because he's more consistently focused on the greater good.
 
I'm not sure that liking a president does have much to do with acknowledging the job they're doing. I don't have a problem admitting that certain aspects of our country have taken a turn for the better since Trump got elected:

-The economy is currently in great shape, no doubt
-We haven't gotten more involved in any pointless international conflicts in the past couple years. I'm quite happy about that
-Say what you want about the wisdom of meeting Kim Jung Un face to face, but we haven't seen any headlines related to N Korea threatening to nuke us since then. I'd say there has at least been a short term positive outcome from that meeting so I'll tip my hat.
-I detest the over-the-top PC nature of the average politician and for the most part, I like that he's more willing to say what he's actually thinking... though I think he goes way too far at times

On the other hand, the tariffs make me nervous. They go against the grain of conventional economic wisdom and I'm afraid we're getting short term gains at the expense of long-term prosperity.

A few of my biggest issues, though, which sour me more than anything are:

-I think he sets a poor example for how to act. Right or not, folks look to the president for a little moral leadership and I despise his habit of trashing anyone who opposes him. I think the rest of the country has started to follow his lead on that front and it's unraveling the social fabric of the country.
-I can't stand his pettiness. Constantly needing to take jabs at rivals--political and otherwise--should be beneath the office
-His impulsiveness scares me. When you've got a stage that big, small acts can set off chain reactions that are hugely consequential. Consistent reports that he acts alone without building a consensus within his inner circle make me nervous.

Maybe what this country needs is a hardened asshole to get us back on track after too many years of being "nice guys". I can buy that. But I'd like to see a more calculated asshole with a more even-keel temperament who has less of a need to settle personal scores because he's more consistently focused on the greater good.

Here's the thing. This moral outrage towards Trump is just weird to me. Democrats have been making ridiculous nasty comments about Republicans for decades without any moral outrage coming from anywhere. How did anyone find morals in Obama (aka POSOTUS) Or either Clinton? Why is is different for Trump.

No the reason people hate Trump is because unlike republicans before him......HE FIGHTS BACK....He doesn't simply accept the lunatic insults from the left.

Another thing is people judge Trump by the typical Politician who polls every thought he has before he says it. With Trump you get what you see. Unlike other Pols he's actually doing what he said, unlike that POS Juan McCain that was very pro boarder wall and anti Illegals while campaigning .....and just the opposite once he won.
 
I'm not sure that liking a president does have much to do with acknowledging the job they're doing. I don't have a problem admitting that certain aspects of our country have taken a turn for the better since Trump got elected:

-The economy is currently in great shape, no doubt
-We haven't gotten more involved in any pointless international conflicts in the past couple years. I'm quite happy about that
-Say what you want about the wisdom of meeting Kim Jung Un face to face, but we haven't seen any headlines related to N Korea threatening to nuke us since then. I'd say there has at least been a short term positive outcome from that meeting so I'll tip my hat.
-I detest the over-the-top PC nature of the average politician and for the most part, I like that he's more willing to say what he's actually thinking... though I think he goes way too far at times

On the other hand, the tariffs make me nervous. They go against the grain of conventional economic wisdom and I'm afraid we're getting short term gains at the expense of long-term prosperity.

A few of my biggest issues, though, which sour me more than anything are:

-I think he sets a poor example for how to act. Right or not, folks look to the president for a little moral leadership and I despise his habit of trashing anyone who opposes him. I think the rest of the country has started to follow his lead on that front and it's unraveling the social fabric of the country.
-I can't stand his pettiness. Constantly needing to take jabs at rivals--political and otherwise--should be beneath the office
-His impulsiveness scares me. When you've got a stage that big, small acts can set off chain reactions that are hugely consequential. Consistent reports that he acts alone without building a consensus within his inner circle make me nervous.

Maybe what this country needs is a hardened asshole to get us back on track after too many years of being "nice guys". I can buy that. But I'd like to see a more calculated asshole with a more even-keel temperament who has less of a need to settle personal scores because he's more consistently focused on the greater good.

Those negatives you mention are all in the emotional realm. They are being broadcast every day as "threats" to our country by the democrat controlled media. It's all they have. In the physical world, he is a great manager and visionary. You are being ordered to ignore reality in favor of the fear mongering psychological warfare of the left. They are not asking you, they are ordering you, programming you, "You must resist". It is a brainwashing technique. They bolster it by "claiming" moral high ground although they have absolutely no morals.
For instance "you must oppose controlling the border because it is morally wrong not to let illegals flood in and stay in". They don't apply the same morality to:
1) the fact that the flood of immigrants takes jobs away from American citizens, especially unemployed, struggling or poor Americans.
2) We are already over run with far more than 10 million illegals who strain our welfare, education and healthcare systems.
3) the governments of the countries from which these illegals come are not even mentioned as having the primary responsibility. According to the left, it is simply our moral duty to let them invade the country our forefathers built while their forefathers were building the country from which they come.

We have to rise above the noise and not allow power mongers to distract our attention from what is really happening.

In the imaginary world, Donald Trump is a great threat to "our democracy", so sayeth the liberal media .
In the real world Donald Trump is a great threat to more than 60 years of socialist/communist infiltration and propaganda effort aimed at destroying this country from within, which until very recently, had been incredibly successful.

In the imaginary world, we are morally obligated to destroy our culture on the alter of saving the oppressed and some hazy notion of diversity.
In the real world, the United States cannot help 3rd world countries by becoming one of them.
 
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Those negatives you mention are all in the emotional realm. They are being broadcast every day as "threats" to our country by the democrat controlled media. It's all they have. In the physical world, he is a great manager and visionary. You are being ordered to ignore reality in favor of the fear mongering psychological warfare of the left. They are not asking you, they are ordering you, programming you, "You must resist". It is a brainwashing technique. They bolster it by "claiming" moral high ground although they have absolutely no morals.
For instance "you must oppose controlling the border because it is morally wrong not to let illegals flood in and stay in". They don't apply the same morality to:
1) the fact that the flood of immigrants takes jobs away from American citizens, especially unemployed, struggling or poor Americans.
2) We are already over run with far more than 10 million illegals who strain our welfare, education and healthcare systems.
3) the governments of the countries from which these illegals come are not even mentioned as having the primary responsibility. According to the left, it is simply our moral duty to let them invade the country our forefathers built while their forefathers were building the country from which they come.

We have to rise above the noise and not allow power mongers to distract our attention from what is really happening.

In the imaginary world, Donald Trump is a great threat to "our democracy", so sayeth the liberal media .
In the real world Donald Trump is a great threat to more than 60 years of socialist/communist infiltration and propaganda effort aimed at destroying this country from within, which until very recently, had been incredibly successful.

In the imaginary world, we are morally obligated to destroy our culture on the alter of saving the oppressed and some hazy notion of diversity.
In the real world, the United States cannot help 3rd world countries by becoming one of them.

Here's the thing. This moral outrage towards Trump is just weird to me. Democrats have been making ridiculous nasty comments about Republicans for decades without any moral outrage coming from anywhere. How did anyone find morals in Obama (aka POSOTUS) Or either Clinton? Why is is different for Trump.

No the reason people hate Trump is because unlike republicans before him......HE FIGHTS BACK....He doesn't simply accept the lunatic insults from the left.

Another thing is people judge Trump by the typical Politician who polls every thought he has before he says it. With Trump you get what you see. Unlike other Pols he's actually doing what he said, unlike that POS Juan McCain that was very pro boarder wall and anti Illegals while campaigning .....and just the opposite once he won.

I completely agree that the mainstream media is so incredibly biased that their opinions and political analysis cannot be trusted. I also agree that they're so committed to opposing Trump that even if one message (e.g. Russia) is proven to be totally without merit, they'll just pivot and find another angle to use as justification for why we have to "resist", "vote him out", etc.

I gave up on traditional media a couple of years ago and now watch them only for entertainment and to keep my finger on the pulse of what they're saying... but I don't take anything they say seriously anymore. They're all hypocrites, you'll get no argument from me there.

I'm with you on immigration too. I fully agree with all three of your points. Two years ago I scoffed at the idea that we should do any wall building but as I've dug more into it, I've started to reconsider. Immigration is a serious issue and -- optics aside -- it might be the most practical solution. I'm at least open to it now.

But I disagree that all of the issues I raised are in the "emotional realm". Tariffs, for instance, definitely aren't. Trade wars can have disastrous consequences and I'm afraid we're playing with fire.

Furthermore, concerns over impulsivity and temperament are related to potentially disastrous real world consequences, not just emotional ones. For example: are these tariffs really being thought out with a clear, complete plan behind them, or are we simply retaliating to prove a point? If the latter, I'm concerned about where this might go.

Additionally, I'm open to new and better ways to deal with not-quite-allies (Russia), but if you're going with a new message and approach, you've got to get your inner circle on board with it instead of going around them and catching them off guard. We've all got to be on the same page with moves like that and I'm not comfortable that we are. Disorder signals weakness.

Finally, while I do have moral objections to Trump's behavior, that concern isn't fully limited to the example it sets (although that's definitely part of it) -- I also think certain actions serve to destabilize. Publicly threatening Sessions, for example, is totally out of bounds in my book. He's got to respect the checks and balances within the government and his failure to do so is an abuse of power and just feeds the criticism coming from the other side of the aisle that he exhibits authoritarian behavior.

This is somewhat unrelated -- I'm kind of just curious to know if you guys agree -- but I feel like the election of Trump signals a major shift in American politics. It used to be D vs. R, left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative. It seems to me that that is less and less the case but it has become much more about establishment vs. unconventional, elites vs. commoners, upper class vs. the rest.

That, in mind mind, is truly terrifying. There is always political tension in every country but the "rich vs. commoners/haves vs have nots" narrative has preceded many revolutions of yesteryear and it worries me about what's coming in the aftermath of our next couple of elections.
 
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Chew Dawg, post: 3437111, member: 2928"]………...

But I disagree that all of the issues I raised are in the "emotional realm". Tariffs, for instance, definitely aren't. Trade wars can have disastrous consequences and I'm afraid we're playing with fire.

I'm not going to pretend that I understand all the ramifications of Tariffs. But I do believe Trump is right when he says:
1) many of our trading partners have been screwing us for a long time, that is as obvious as anything could possibly be.
2) we are the main market for all of them and they will play ball sooner or later and that will improve the positions of our various exporting segments although there could be some period of pain between now and then. It is those segments starting to feel that hopefully temporary pain that the liberal media will try to use to their political advantage, Not that they give a rat's ass about any of those people … they don't. Every move they make is about garnering power.


......Furthermore, concerns over impulsivity and temperament are related to potentially disastrous real world consequences, not just emotional ones. For example: are these tariffs really being thought out with a clear, complete plan behind them, or are we simply retaliating to prove a point? If the latter, I'm concerned about where this might go.

After witnessing what he has accomplished so far, I am willing to trust his strategy. He may be quirky and perhaps odd, but the man is very, very smart especially in matters of business.

Additionally, I'm open to new and better ways to deal with not-quite-allies (Russia), but if you're going with a new message and approach, you've got to get your inner circle on board with it instead of going around them and catching them off guard. We've all got to be on the same page with moves like that and I'm not comfortable that we are. Disorder signals weakness.

I'm not convinced that they aren't. I know the leftist media makes a lot of claims but I simply trust him a whole lot more than I do them. I know they lie every single day without fail, on purpose and with bad intention..

Finally, while I do have moral objections to Trump's behavior, that concern isn't fully limited to the example it sets (although that's definitely part of it) -- I also think certain actions serve to destabilize. Publicly threatening Sessions, for example, is totally out of bounds in my book. He's got to respect the checks and balances within the government and his failure to do so is an abuse of power and just feeds the criticism coming from the other side of the aisle that he exhibits authoritarian behavior.

That the DOJ should be kept separate and handled with kid gloves is just part of the current leftists drum beat ... a drum beat that changes depending on their objective. The leftist media and their lackey Mueller talk a lot of shit like questioning Trump's "motive" for firing Comey. But they know none of it would stand up in a courtroom. Here's why.
The DOJ is in the executive branch directly under the President and has absolutely no Constitutional basis. It was created by Congress in 1870. Jeff Sessions answers directly to Trump just like any other employee. It is simply a federal agency run amuck. Trump is the one with the Constitutional authority and his authority over them is total.


This is somewhat unrelated -- I'm kind of just curious to know if you guys agree -- but I feel like the election of Trump signals a major shift in American politics. It used to be D vs. R, left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative. It seems to me that that is less and less the case but it has become much more about establishment vs. unconventional, elites vs. commoners, upper class vs. the rest.

That, in mind mind, is truly terrifying. There is always political tension in every country but the "rich vs. commoners/haves vs have nots" narrative has preceded many revolutions of yesteryear and it worries me about what's coming in the aftermath of our next couple of elections.

Trump's election looks like two things to me.
1) It is a revolt of the shrinking, suffering middle class against years and years of getting screwed . Our government has not only allowed it to take place, but has participated in it. The trade inequity we discussed earlier is a huge part of that problem.
It is amazing that this man, in the face of unceasing assault by the enemies of this country (both internal and external) has already accomplished so much. He said he knew what to do to fix it and he was right. Additionally, he is the first president I have ever seen do exactly what he said he would do. God bless him.
2) His stand on immigration is much, much closer to the opinion of everyday Americans than the awful mess that has been occurring.
There was a time when this country needed immigrants There was vast open space and not enough people to utilize and protect it. As all things do, that has changed. The American working person does not NEED immigrants. Practically none are NEEDED. We have previously discussed the impact immigration is having and it is not good. Personally, I think it should stop totally for some period of years until we determine what is best for our own people.
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I completely agree that the mainstream media is so incredibly biased that their opinions and political analysis cannot be trusted. I also agree that they're so committed to opposing Trump that even if one message (e.g. Russia) is proven to be totally without merit, they'll just pivot and find another angle to use as justification for why we have to "resist", "vote him out", etc.

I gave up on traditional media a couple of years ago and now watch them only for entertainment and to keep my finger on the pulse of what they're saying... but I don't take anything they say seriously anymore. They're all hypocrites, you'll get no argument from me there.

I'm with you on immigration too. I fully agree with all three of your points. Two years ago I scoffed at the idea that we should do any wall building but as I've dug more into it, I've started to reconsider. Immigration is a serious issue and -- optics aside -- it might be the most practical solution. I'm at least open to it now.

But I disagree that all of the issues I raised are in the "emotional realm". Tariffs, for instance, definitely aren't. Trade wars can have disastrous consequences and I'm afraid we're playing with fire.

Furthermore, concerns over impulsivity and temperament are related to potentially disastrous real world consequences, not just emotional ones. For example: are these tariffs really being thought out with a clear, complete plan behind them, or are we simply retaliating to prove a point? If the latter, I'm concerned about where this might go.

Additionally, I'm open to new and better ways to deal with not-quite-allies (Russia), but if you're going with a new message and approach, you've got to get your inner circle on board with it instead of going around them and catching them off guard. We've all got to be on the same page with moves like that and I'm not comfortable that we are. Disorder signals weakness.

Finally, while I do have moral objections to Trump's behavior, that concern isn't fully limited to the example it sets (although that's definitely part of it) -- I also think certain actions serve to destabilize. Publicly threatening Sessions, for example, is totally out of bounds in my book. He's got to respect the checks and balances within the government and his failure to do so is an abuse of power and just feeds the criticism coming from the other side of the aisle that he exhibits authoritarian behavior.

This is somewhat unrelated -- I'm kind of just curious to know if you guys agree -- but I feel like the election of Trump signals a major shift in American politics. It used to be D vs. R, left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative. It seems to me that that is less and less the case but it has become much more about establishment vs. unconventional, elites vs. commoners, upper class vs. the rest.

That, in mind mind, is truly terrifying. There is always political tension in every country but the "rich vs. commoners/haves vs have nots" narrative has preceded many revolutions of yesteryear and it worries me about what's coming in the aftermath of our next couple of elections.




Our trade deals were ignored by the pols even though they were one sided especially with China who was robbing us blind. Most of Obama's admin had government or academic background. So had no idea how to help the private sector economy or negotiate their way out of a paper bag. That was not their background. DT is leveraging the largest economy in the world to improve trade deals..

As for having everyone on his inner circle on board, that can lead to paralysis. I remember Reagan’s inner circle didn’t want him to use the phrase “Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall”. He said it anyway and it helped change the world.

As for as Sessions is concerned, he has been a disaster basically ignoring the DOJ/FBI/Dem corruption. This is the real collusion of the 2016 election. Yet the Senate would never approve a replacement if one of their own was fired. So DT wants him to quit. Then he could name a replacement.
The whole Russia collusion is a partisan attack on a duly elected president and an abuse of power by Obama on down to spy on a presidential candidate of an opposing party using a fake dossier. While I am omitting details, this is pretty much been proven. Yet Sessions turns his head.

I see the political war not as the elite 1% vs the average people but as a Fed govt which is run by unelected bureaucrats, deep staters and lobbyists. Trump is not wanted being from the outside and is a threat to their power. He is also very effective so they think he must go.
 
Chew Dawg, post: 3437111, member: 2928"]………...

But I disagree that all of the issues I raised are in the "emotional realm". Tariffs, for instance, definitely aren't. Trade wars can have disastrous consequences and I'm afraid we're playing with fire.

I'm not going to pretend that I understand all the ramifications of Tariffs. But I do believe Trump is right when he says:
1) many of our trading partners have been screwing us for a long time, that is as obvious as anything could possibly be.
2) we are the main market for all of them and they will play ball sooner or later and that will improve the positions of our various exporting segments although there could be some period of pain between now and then. It is those segments starting to feel that hopefully temporary pain that the liberal media will try to use to their political advantage, Not that they give a rat's ass about any of those people … they don't. Every move they make is about garnering power.


......Furthermore, concerns over impulsivity and temperament are related to potentially disastrous real world consequences, not just emotional ones. For example: are these tariffs really being thought out with a clear, complete plan behind them, or are we simply retaliating to prove a point? If the latter, I'm concerned about where this might go.

After witnessing what he has accomplished so far, I am willing to trust his strategy. He may be quirky and perhaps odd, but the man is very, very smart especially in matters of business.

Additionally, I'm open to new and better ways to deal with not-quite-allies (Russia), but if you're going with a new message and approach, you've got to get your inner circle on board with it instead of going around them and catching them off guard. We've all got to be on the same page with moves like that and I'm not comfortable that we are. Disorder signals weakness.

I'm not convinced that they aren't. I know the leftist media makes a lot of claims but I simply trust him a whole lot more than I do them. I know they lie every single day without fail, on purpose and with bad intention..

Finally, while I do have moral objections to Trump's behavior, that concern isn't fully limited to the example it sets (although that's definitely part of it) -- I also think certain actions serve to destabilize. Publicly threatening Sessions, for example, is totally out of bounds in my book. He's got to respect the checks and balances within the government and his failure to do so is an abuse of power and just feeds the criticism coming from the other side of the aisle that he exhibits authoritarian behavior.

That the DOJ should be kept separate and handled with kid gloves is just part of the current leftists drum beat ... a drum beat that changes depending on their objective. The leftist media and their lackey Mueller talk a lot of shit like questioning Trump's "motive" for firing Comey. But they know none of it would stand up in a courtroom. Here's why.
The DOJ is in the executive branch directly under the President and has absolutely no Constitutional basis. It was created by Congress in 1870. Jeff Sessions answers directly to Trump just like any other employee. It is simply a federal agency run amuck. Trump is the one with the Constitutional authority and his authority over them is total.


This is somewhat unrelated -- I'm kind of just curious to know if you guys agree -- but I feel like the election of Trump signals a major shift in American politics. It used to be D vs. R, left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative. It seems to me that that is less and less the case but it has become much more about establishment vs. unconventional, elites vs. commoners, upper class vs. the rest.

That, in mind mind, is truly terrifying. There is always political tension in every country but the "rich vs. commoners/haves vs have nots" narrative has preceded many revolutions of yesteryear and it worries me about what's coming in the aftermath of our next couple of elections.

Trump's election looks like two things to me.
1) It is a revolt of the shrinking, suffering middle class against years and years of getting screwed . Our government has not only allowed it to take place, but has participated in it. The trade inequity we discussed earlier is a huge part of that problem.
It is amazing that this man, in the face of unceasing assault by the enemies of this country (both internal and external) has already accomplished so much. He said he knew what to do to fix it and he was right. Additionally, he is the first president I have ever seen do exactly what he said he would do. God bless him.
2) His stand on immigration is much, much closer to the opinion of everyday Americans than the awful mess that has been occurring.
There was a time when this country needed immigrants There was vast open space and not enough people to utilize and protect it. As all thing do, that has changed. The American working person does not NEED immigrants. Practically none are NEEDED. We have previously discussed the impact immigration is having and it is not good. Personally, I think it should stop totally for some period of years until we determine what is best for our own people.
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Our trade deals were ignored by the pols even though they were one sided especially with China who was robbing us blind. Most of Obama's admin had government or academic background. So had no idea how to help the private sector economy or negotiate their way out of a paper bag. That was not their background. DT is leveraging the largest economy in the world to improve trade deals..

As for having everyone on his inner circle on board, that can lead to paralysis. I remember Reagan’s inner circle didn’t want him to use the phrase “Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall”. He said it anyway and it helped change the world.

As for as Sessions is concerned, he has been a disaster basically ignoring the DOJ/FBI/Dem corruption. This is the real collusion of the 2016 election. Yet the Senate would never approve a replacement if one of their own was fired. So DT wants him to quit. Then he could name a replacement.
The whole Russia collusion is a partisan attack on a duly elected president and an abuse of power by Obama on down to spy on a presidential candidate of an opposing party using a fake dossier. While I am omitting details, this is pretty much been proven. Yet Sessions turns his head.

I see the political war not as the elite 1% vs the average people but as a Fed govt which is run by unelected bureaucrats, deep staters and lobbyists. Trump is not wanted being from the outside and is a threat to their power. He is also very effective so they think he must go.

Good stuff guys. It's a little different angle than I've heard before and it gives me something to think about.

The world is a damn complicated place, it's tough to sort it all out sometimes.

Go dawgs.
 
Our society has, in general, determined that minors do not have sufficient experience/knowledge to make a wide variety of decisions, and thus, limits their rights to vote, enter into contracts, etc. This standard should not apply to adults.

I think you are saying that the majority has the right to inflict its will on the entire population. However, this majority rule is limited if it violates the rights of certain citizens and it is up to the courts to enforce the rights of the minority ( I am certain that a majority of the citizens of Arkansas wanted to keep the Little Rock high schools segregated in the late 50's, but the Supreme Court ordered them to integrate).

I very much think of myself as a Libertarian, I listened to a local Atlanta talk show host in the 70's and 80's who introduced me to the Libertarian philosophy. In short, if someone else's actions don't deprive me of my life, my liberty, or my property, it's none of my damn business.
I miss Boortz.
 
I'm not sure that liking a president does have much to do with acknowledging the job they're doing. I don't have a problem admitting that certain aspects of our country have taken a turn for the better since Trump got elected:

-The economy is currently in great shape, no doubt
-We haven't gotten more involved in any pointless international conflicts in the past couple years. I'm quite happy about that
-Say what you want about the wisdom of meeting Kim Jung Un face to face, but we haven't seen any headlines related to N Korea threatening to nuke us since then. I'd say there has at least been a short term positive outcome from that meeting so I'll tip my hat.
-I detest the over-the-top PC nature of the average politician and for the most part, I like that he's more willing to say what he's actually thinking... though I think he goes way too far at times

On the other hand, the tariffs make me nervous. They go against the grain of conventional economic wisdom and I'm afraid we're getting short term gains at the expense of long-term prosperity.

A few of my biggest issues, though, which sour me more than anything are:

-I think he sets a poor example for how to act. Right or not, folks look to the president for a little moral leadership and I despise his habit of trashing anyone who opposes him. I think the rest of the country has started to follow his lead on that front and it's unraveling the social fabric of the country.
-I can't stand his pettiness. Constantly needing to take jabs at rivals--political and otherwise--should be beneath the office
-His impulsiveness scares me. When you've got a stage that big, small acts can set off chain reactions that are hugely consequential. Consistent reports that he acts alone without building a consensus within his inner circle make me nervous.

Maybe what this country needs is a hardened asshole to get us back on track after too many years of being "nice guys". I can buy that. But I'd like to see a more calculated asshole with a more even-keel temperament who has less of a need to settle personal scores because he's more consistently focused on the greater good.

Good post chew. The average person "hating" Trump usually responds with just a "because he's a fascist".

He is not a fascist in practice or definition.

Fascism is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power.
* Our form of government, as it stands today, does not allow for this by constitutional mandate.
* The liberals seem to want more governmental control over us than Trump does

Fascists forcibly suppress opposition and criticism
* He has done neither. He gets in a war of words, which is protected by our constitution, but he has not used the government to control it.
* The liberals counter protest, by force, any spoken word that does not agree with the liberal mantra. Antifa, which the media sells as anti fascist, is in actuality, fascist in how they scream down and forceably stop and censor any conservative speak. Amazing.

Fascist regiment all industry, commerce, etc
*Trump does the exact opposite as he has tried to even the playing field in allowing business to do business fairly, allowing business to keep profits and keeping government out of their hair. He does not force taxes to comply, nor over burden business with unjust taxes to earn votes.

Fascist emphasize an aggressive nationalism
*As do most countries who still hold to the original values of their founders. Europe has become an unrecognizable area due to immigration and looting of basic values of the land, replaced by middle eastern values. Those immigrants have no to little knowledge of the history of the countries and don't care. Most countries value a national pride, as exhibited in Olympics, Ryder Cup, World Cup, etc. To not value your national heritage, as a country, is dangerous. National pride is common amongst most political systems. Trump as president, is sworn to protect our country and honor the constitution.

Fascists by definition are racist
*This definition comes from the nazi days of jewish extermination. Nothing that Donald Trump has done has a racist tone, yet he is called a racist. In all honesty, if you are not black or hispanic, and you are a politician of any kind, you are labeled a racist. This is not fair and not earned. Donald Trump has employed more black, white and hispanic workers than Obama or any other Democrat candidate ever has. That is the American way. Provide jobs and income. He has done that consistently.

The fascists seem to be those who protest everyones stated opinion if it doesn't agree with them.
 
Good post chew. The average person "hating" Trump usually responds with just a "because he's a fascist".

He is not a fascist in practice or definition.

Fascism is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power.
* Our form of government, as it stands today, does not allow for this by constitutional mandate.
* The liberals seem to want more governmental control over us than Trump does

Fascists forcibly suppress opposition and criticism
* He has done neither. He gets in a war of words, which is protected by our constitution, but he has not used the government to control it.
* The liberals counter protest, by force, any spoken word that does not agree with the liberal mantra. Antifa, which the media sells as anti fascist, is in actuality, fascist in how they scream down and forceably stop and censor any conservative speak. Amazing.

Fascist regiment all industry, commerce, etc
*Trump does the exact opposite as he has tried to even the playing field in allowing business to do business fairly, allowing business to keep profits and keeping government out of their hair. He does not force taxes to comply, nor over burden business with unjust taxes to earn votes.

Fascist emphasize an aggressive nationalism
*As do most countries who still hold to the original values of their founders. Europe has become an unrecognizable area due to immigration and looting of basic values of the land, replaced by middle eastern values. Those immigrants have no to little knowledge of the history of the countries and don't care. Most countries value a national pride, as exhibited in Olympics, Ryder Cup, World Cup, etc. To not value your national heritage, as a country, is dangerous. National pride is common amongst most political systems. Trump as president, is sworn to protect our country and honor the constitution.

Fascists by definition are racist
*This definition comes from the nazi days of jewish extermination. Nothing that Donald Trump has done has a racist tone, yet he is called a racist. In all honesty, if you are not black or hispanic, and you are a politician of any kind, you are labeled a racist. This is not fair and not earned. Donald Trump has employed more black, white and hispanic workers than Obama or any other Democrat candidate ever has. That is the American way. Provide jobs and income. He has done that consistently.

The fascists seem to be those who protest everyones stated opinion if it doesn't agree with them.
World-class, well-grounded and thoughtful post. I hope it is widely-read and considered.
 
Only people offended by Nike and freaking out about it are old people, which accounts for a small portion of Nike's revenue. Wont hurt Nike all that much, just like every good NFL team will still have a packed stadium, and NFL will still be the highest rated programming on TV.

Whitepug alert ! Moosefish will help !!
 
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