What Exactly is the sales pitch for Trump?

[OriginalGatorHator]

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

 

[Dawgdocindosta]

These are the kinds of posts that will not get legitimate responses. It is obvious that you have fashioned your "question" into a statement of your belief. Any real discussion will likely go nowhere constructive. I don't mean this to be offensive - it's just the tone of your message that will likely bring out poor responses.
JC

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

These are the kinds of posts that will not get legitimate responses. It is obvious that you have fashioned your "question" into a statement of your belief. Any real discussion will likely go nowhere constructive. I don't mean this to be offensive - it's just the tone of your message that will likely bring out poor responses.
JC

That’s a good point, will try and change the tone moving forward.

Having said that I would genuinely like to know what the mindset is.

Because I’m totally on board with feeling anger at the system. I just don’t believe Trump is the correct candidate to actually effectuate change and would like to hear responses as to why people believe he is.

 

[PotimusWillie]

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

Trump is strong enough to keep peace. If you are looking for peace internationally, Trump is your candidate.

If you want independence from foreign energy sources, Trump is your candidate.

If you want a President who not only places the country first, but the taxpayer first, Trump is your candidate.

If you want the government to run the same way it has for years, vote for someone else.

All the inditement’s alone should proved how dangerous he is to the political elite. Our government isn’t legitimate. Our Constitution is, but we gave the keys to the inmates long ago and have elected calling the shots that affects us.

I don’t believe he’ll be convicted or jailed.

We need a sheriff.

 

[Golfin_Dawg]

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

I'll answer, even with the tone you intended. I want him because somehow, someway I end up with more money in my pocket.

I disregard social issues, entirely, because they aren't meant to be solved. They are meant to be divisive and will never have a solution. We've had all 3 branches of gov't controlled by Pubs and Dems several times...isn't amazing that the social issues still don't get solved. The social issues are the political football and thinking your vote will fix them - either way - is naive.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

Pretty simple if you ask me - how was life in 2019? How is it today?

Most people don't give af about the endless political debate and BS. They care about shit that matters. You know - simple things like can I buy a house with interest rates at 8? Do I have any money? Can I go to the grocery store without spending $500? How is the world? Safe?

You can be proud and principled at your superior political / moral stance....and be broke? Or maybe put an asshole back in office who is an effective leader whether he's a dick or not. Because it makes a difference in the things you care about.

 

[PotimusWillie]

I'll answer, even with the tone you intended. I want him because somehow, someway I end up with more money in my pocket.

I disregard social issues, entirely, because they aren't meant to be solved. They are meant to be divisive and will never have a solution. We've had all 3 branches of gov't controlled by Pubs and Dems several times...isn't amazing that the social issues still don't get solved. The social issues are the political football and thinking your vote will fix them - either way - is naive.

Social issues get fixed by the citizen. Mandates by government usually lead to less freedoms for the citizen.

Natural movement of social issues is a more normal transition.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

The sales pitch is simple.

33 tril or more in debt and gasoline being applied to the fire.

Dependence on China and other hostile actors for our basic supplies and even military equipment and computer chips.

Appointment of federal judges and SCOTUS justices.

What appears to be or becoming a ruling class instead of a governing class with the consent of the governed.

A complete clusterboink immigration system that both parties have had the numbers to address but didn't.

An out of control healthcare payment scheme.

An unnecessary rush to a rainbow and unicorn energy strategy when nuclear and clean burning fossils would get us thru until a viable alternative was available.

An out of control DOJ that literally tried to frame a sitting national security advisor as well as the POTUS.

I could go on and on but I guess the summary would be confronting a completely out of control federal government.

 

[zingerdawg]

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

I would like two new candidates. Which I have posted here many times. But I thrink sometimes when you have two evils running, you have to vote policy. 38 percent of the public thing the current administration’s policies are working. Even 65 percent of the Dems wish Biden wouldn’t run again. If I don’t have a choice between the two, there is only one choice.

Not to mention, number one on my presidential must have list is a fully functioning brain. Biden hasn’t had one since he began campaigning. Some say trump is slipping. Not nearly as much as Biden. At some point he will have to make a decision on his own. I want someone with his wits intact.

And if you question who is the most evil. Don’t. Biden is a fifty year politician. Who had the cia lie for him about the laptop. Who plagiarized to try win an election. Clearly racist. Lied about his grades. Lied about his family accomplishments. Lied about his business connections with family, lied about having top secret documents. I could go on. Level playing field on who is more evil.

Election stealing. Just to be clear. Several cnbc analysts said biden declared victory before midnight. When he was behind. So he could contest the results. Hillary told him never to concede. Just to be clear. Hillary’s warning about conceding is out there everywhere.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

Social issues get fixed by the citizen. Mandates by government usually lead to less freedoms for the citizen.

Natural movement of social issues is a more normal transition.

Completely disagree, social issues have never had a normal transition. Every issue has been mandated by the Supreme Court.

Only way to fix social issues is through government mandate.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

I'll answer, even with the tone you intended. I want him because somehow, someway I end up with more money in my pocket.

I disregard social issues, entirely, because they aren't meant to be solved. They are meant to be divisive and will never have a solution. We've had all 3 branches of gov't controlled by Pubs and Dems several times...isn't amazing that the social issues still don't get solved. The social issues are the political football and thinking your vote will fix them - either way - is naive.

Thank you for the response.

But what is the path to a trump victory in the general?

I Will vote for him in the general but I don’t see how that is possible. It may not be possible for any other candidate either but none of them can be lambasted over criminal charges.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

The sales pitch is simple.

33 tril or more in debt and gasoline being applied to the fire.

Dependence on China and other hostile actors for our basic supplies and even military equipment and computer chips.

Appointment of federal judges and SCOTUS justices.

What appears to be or becoming a ruling class instead of a governing class with the consent of the governed.

A complete clusterboink immigration system that both parties have had the numbers to address but didn't.

An out of control healthcare payment scheme.

An unnecessary rush to a rainbow and unicorn energy strategy when nuclear and clean burning fossils would get us thru until a viable alternative was available.

An out of control DOJ that literally tried to frame a sitting national security advisor as well as the POTUS.

I could go on and on but I guess the summary would be confronting a completely out of control federal government.

Ok I guess my question then is why do you think he will do this the second time around, presuming he wins, but didn’t do this the first time around?

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

Ok I guess my question then is why do you think he will do this the second time around, presuming he wins, but didn’t do this the first time around?

Fact is that if not for Covid, Trump wins in a landslide. He was generally blamed for the US Government response and cast as the one who spread Covid, etc. History has since proven that the side that opened the economy up was much more right than the side that shut everything down. The mass absentee voting didn't help him either. To be clear I'm not saying anyone cheated, I'm just saying that the dynamic of the population sitting at home and having nothing better to do than think about politics and mail in votes certainly didn't help him.

Biden was considered the "adult in the room." A moderate who would bring "dignity" to the office. Harmless. A great middle-ground even if he seemed too old, etc. History has proven otherwise, and the American voter knows it.

Bottom line - hindsight is 20/20, and it benefits Trump. He never polled ahead of Biden leading up to 2020. In fact he was polling way behind and outperformed significantly.

One more thing - if they actually do put Biden on a debate stage (I highly doubt they will), it will be must watch TV. Dude is not there. Actually believe Trump would have had a fighting chance in 2020 had he not totally $hit the bed and acted like an asshole in debate 1. If he sits back and let's Joe hang himself this time, he wins.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Ok I guess my question then is why do you think he will do this the second time around, presuming he wins, but didn’t do this the first time around?

Link thanks to @atlanta cock#

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Ok I guess my question then is why do you think he will do this the second time around, presuming he wins, but didn’t do this the first time around?

And btw, I won't be voting for Trump in the primary but I'd vote for him in the general over any of the oligarchy loving Dems.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

And btw, I won't be voting for Trump in the primary but I'd vote for him in the general over any of the oligarchy loving Dems.

Oh I’d vote for sack of rocks over a democrat.

I just fear we are in for a shellacking should Trump be the nominee.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

Oh I’d vote for sack of rocks over a democrat.

I just fear we are in for a shellacking should Trump be the nominee.

The way I look at it is the DC establishment is already shellacking us and it's time to start playing their game. Yeah, Trump's a first class asshat but he plays politics like a dem and isn't afraid to fight fire with fire. So, I won't be voting for a Nikki Haley or Chris Christie but would like a candidate I could trust to fight for the best interest of the U.S. taxpayer and unfortunately, there aren't a lot of them.

 

[sallen4250]

Pretty simple if you ask me - how was life in 2019? How is it today?

Most people don't give af about the endless political debate and BS. They care about shit that matters. You know - simple things like can I buy a house with interest rates at 8? Do I have any money? Can I go to the grocery store without spending $500? How is the world? Safe?

You can be proud and principled at your superior political / moral stance....and be broke? Or maybe put an asshole back in office who is an effective leader whether he's a dick or not. Because it makes a difference in the things you care about.

Well spoken!!!

 

[55dawg]

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

Who knows. But apparently he’s Leading in all swing states minus Nevada.

 

[Boost Assendahm]

The real crime & criminals in our political games are that “we the people” ALLOW (let’s try to imagine THEY work for US) willing professional, political operatives to “handle things” for us and that makes us accountable/responsible/guilty for/of creating sloth & chaos all around us.

But, wait! Maybe this next guy/gal has ALL the answers AND he/she/they will do everything right with our best interests at heart. Wake the freak up, sweetheart!!

Wake up (“Woke” is just another BS, highly addictive, “big pharma” type, highly marketed drug, whose creators are the biggest beneficiaries).

Wake up!! Most of us must grasp the idea and reality that we can be the adults in the room, while accepting responsibility for pragmatic decision making and practical, functional, realistic & sustainable problem solving will set us all free to be who & what we make of ourselves.

Or, we can sit idly by as another set of super heroes save the day in our addled brains. Any energy we can muster can be spent demonstrating mindlessly in the streets with placards made for us by others to message more “others” that we know someone with a marker & a cause that maybe or maybe not be worthy.

Impressive…..

 

[DerkDawg1027]

That’s a good point, will try and change the tone moving forward.

Having said that I would genuinely like to know what the mindset is.

Because I’m totally on board with feeling anger at the system. I just don’t believe Trump is the correct candidate to actually effectuate change and would like to hear responses as to why people believe he is.

Were you alive during his first term?

 

[DerkDawg1027]

Pretty simple if you ask me - how was life in 2019? How is it today?

Most people don't give af about the endless political debate and BS. They care about shit that matters. You know - simple things like can I buy a house with interest rates at 8? Do I have any money? Can I go to the grocery store without spending $500? How is the world? Safe?

This is it. Plain and simple.

The only sad thing is the MSM may have brainwashed enough people that it may not even matter

 

[poorpreacher]

The sales pitch for Trump

He can leave a stage without assistance
He doesn't wander around confused
He can formulate his own thoughts
He doesn't stumble up stairs
He knows where he is
He doesn't have Kamala Harris for a running mate.

 

[phoenixdawg]

america first

 

[PotimusWillie]

Completely disagree, social issues have never had a normal transition. Every issue has been mandated by the Supreme Court.

Only way to fix social issues is through government mandate.

And with it you give away freedoms.

Social issues such as the value of human life regarding the slave is a legal issue.

Social virtue signaling by the government is bad and kills freedom.

I do not look to a centralized government to fix my ills. I expect my representation, locally, to fix my ills. Mandates from a central government voted for by California and New York doesn’t represent me or my family.

As a free country, we should run away as fast as possible from a centralized government, period.

You want to be enslaved, keep giving the keys to politicians.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Fact is that if not for Covid, Trump wins in a landslide. He was generally blamed for the US Government response and cast as the one who spread Covid, etc. History has since proven that the side that opened the economy up was much more right than the side that shut everything down. The mass absentee voting didn't help him either. To be clear I'm not saying anyone cheated, I'm just saying that the dynamic of the population sitting at home and having nothing better to do than think about politics and mail in votes certainly didn't help him.

Biden was considered the "adult in the room." A moderate who would bring "dignity" to the office. Harmless. A great middle-ground even if he seemed too old, etc. History has proven otherwise, and the American voter knows it.

Bottom line - hindsight is 20/20, and it benefits Trump. He never polled ahead of Biden leading up to 2020. In fact he was polling way behind and outperformed significantly.

One more thing - if they actually do put Biden on a debate stage (I highly doubt they will), it will be must watch TV. Dude is not there. Actually believe Trump would have had a fighting chance in 2020 had he not totally $hit the bed and acted like an asshole in debate 1. If he sits back and let's Joe hang himself this time, he wins.

Truth…

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

And with it you give away freedoms.

Social issues such as the value of human life regarding the slave is a legal issue.

Social virtue signaling by the government is bad and kills freedom.

I do not look to a centralized government to fix my ills. I expect my representation, locally, to fix my ills. Mandates from a central government voted for by California and New York doesn’t represent me or my family.

As a free country, we should run away as fast as possible from a centralized government, period.

You want to be enslaved, keep giving the keys to politicians.

My argument was social change doesn’t happen naturally.

It doesn’t. Freaking California overwhelmingly voted against same sex couples getting “married” 15 years ago.

What changed? The Supreme Court decided to change the law of the land. Which changed society’s position on this issue.

This is going to happen with cross dressers and pedophiles too by the way.

They are never going to leave you alone or allow Americans to choose anything which goes against the religion of secularism.

The only way to root it out is to take control and reinstitute America as a Christian Nation. The current pragmatic route to do this is by electing politicians with the spine to do so.

Unfortunately, not sure such politicians exist.

 

[ClydeDawg]

So I can see the appeal of voting for him to accelerate the destruction of our government’s legitimacy. But I’m not sure any of us have actually considered what that means moving forward.

But I see people who genuinely think he can win the election. How?

He’s done nothing to counter the dem ground game, white women hate him, and there is a very high likelihood of him being in prison by the time of the general. You think independents are going to vote for a convict?

Like to bet on prison time?

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

Like to bet on prison time?

Putting aside whether or not you think he is going to serve time in prison.

How do you think these criminal charges are going to play with the independent voter which Trump must have in order to win the general?

Because he didn't have them in 2020 and that was before the libs could run attack ads featuring actual criminal charges.

 

[ClydeDawg]

Putting aside whether or not you think he is going to serve time in prison.

How do you think these criminal charges are going to play with the independent voter which Trump must have in order to win the general?

Because he didn't have them in 2020 and that was before the libs could run attack ads featuring actual criminal charges.

I'm an independent that doesn't like trump. If hes my choice, I'm voting for him.

 

[Whosyodawgy]

That’s a good point, will try and change the tone moving forward.

Having said that I would genuinely like to know what the mindset is.

Because I’m totally on board with feeling anger at the system. I just don’t believe Trump is the correct candidate to actually effectuate change and would like to hear responses as to why people believe he is.

Trump does not need a sales pitch at this point.
He has one of those things they call a resume.
People know what he did as president and believe he will do even more for THIS country if elected again. That is because this time, he knows how the game is played. Last time he had to learn as he went.
He had no wars. That is because the adage, "peace through strength" is gospel. He told our enemies what to expect if they behaved and what to expect if they did not. They knew he meant it.

He bettered the wages vs cost of living for working people and held inflation in check. He set records for minority employment which is a humongous problem in this country. Gas prices were $2 a gallon. Food was reasonable. He forced global pig companies to relocate manufacturing back to America. The list goes on and on. It is indisputable.

You say you have anger with the system. Well, the system is run by the enemies of Donald Trump. He was their biggest threat and they knew it because he openly called them out from day 1 of his campaign. He faced all out war and sub-human (Hillary Clinton et al) dishonisty from the rotten establishment even before he stepped foot into the White House.

Yet, he was a great president; not for what he said but for what he did. Don't be confused. The presidential election should not be about who you like or dislike. It has to be about policy, for the good of the country.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Completely disagree, social issues have never had a normal transition. Every issue has been mandated by the Supreme Court.

Only way to fix social issues is through government mandate.

Welcome to Cuba.

What you described is not how human nature works.

You described perfectly how free citizens are willing to give up freedoms for suppression/advancement of agenda dictated by government.

Whoever you give the keys to owns your choices.

Funny how the liberal mindset demands popular vote / mob rule / popular vote, that an elected politician must make the rules to guide us, yet that same mob is incapable of adjusting social issues ourselves.

Are we a citizenry controlled by ethics and morality or legal boundaries? The later is the most dangerous.

Our country was founded on the principle of inalienable rights provided by our creator, not rights granted by the government. That is what distinguishes the US from every other country in the world.

But we are throwing that away. We are becoming a benevolent dictatorship, owned by the ruling party and promised provisions.

That is not how it is suppose to work.

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

Pretty simple if you ask me - how was life in 2019? How is it today?

Most people don't give af about the endless political debate and BS. They care about shit that matters. You know - simple things like can I buy a house with interest rates at 8? Do I have any money? Can I go to the grocery store without spending $500? How is the world? Safe?

You can be proud and principled at your superior political / moral stance....and be broke? Or maybe put an asshole back in office who is an effective leader whether he's a dick or not. Because it makes a difference in the things you care about.

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