Which civil war general are you?
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It says J.E.B. Stuart. But it also says that Stuart was the...
.... "most talented cavalry officer of the war." We know that is not true. Nathan Bedford Forrest was (by far) the most talented cavalry officer of the war.
.... "most talented cavalry officer of the war." We know that is not true. Nathan Bedford Forrest was (by far) the most talented cavalry officer of the war.
I'm not sure about that, Forrest was bold and fearless, but Stuart...
was a true genius. Stuart pretty well kept the yankees out of the Shenandoah Valley for most of the war and was a constant nightmare for yankee army supply routes.
Both were great but Forrest was like an axe and Stuart was like a scalpel.
was a true genius. Stuart pretty well kept the yankees out of the Shenandoah Valley for most of the war and was a constant nightmare for yankee army supply routes.
Both were great but Forrest was like an axe and Stuart was like a scalpel.
NSA probing your smoking and drinking habits on that one ..
Also get your views on secession. They are finding out a lot about people on that one. Y'all need to stay away from these government personality profiles. It's easy enough for them already.
I got J.E.B.
Also get your views on secession. They are finding out a lot about people on that one. Y'all need to stay away from these government personality profiles. It's easy enough for them already.
I got J.E.B.
JEB, and I'm from Chicago.................
My great, great grandfather fought with the 7th Illinois Infantry. On the other hand, my sentiments lay elsewhere. There's nothing in the Constitution that prevents a state or states from leaving the Union, and they should have been allowed to leave.
My great, great grandfather fought with the 7th Illinois Infantry. On the other hand, my sentiments lay elsewhere. There's nothing in the Constitution that prevents a state or states from leaving the Union, and they should have been allowed to leave.
My neighbor from Upson County
John B. Gordon. Truly a remarkable unknown.
His wife wasn't bad either. Truly an extraordinary woman. Followed him to the fringes of the battle field so she could dress his wounds when the time came for that. Females today could use someone like her to teach them what real womanhood truly is.
http://home.windstream.net/ehallman/jbg.htm
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John B. Gordon. Truly a remarkable unknown.
His wife wasn't bad either. Truly an extraordinary woman. Followed him to the fringes of the battle field so she could dress his wounds when the time came for that. Females today could use someone like her to teach them what real womanhood truly is.
http://home.windstream.net/ehallman/jbg.htm
This post was edited on 3/26 11:35 AM by ShenandoaNewbie
Stuart also played a big role at Lee's failure at Gettysburg in not being
around when Lee needed to know the Unions troop strength / movements. Lee stated such at the time on both day 1 & 2 of the battle. He also committed a massive failure in not flanking the Union Right in a skirmish with one George Armstrong Custer. He effectively blinded Lee at the crucial moment which allowed the Federals time to consolidate their troops from Cemetary Ridge to little Round Top.
Forest was a pure ruthless commander and an unconventional tactical genius. Headstrong & independent perhaps but a brilliant commander superior to Stuart who the South didn't fully take advantage of. Helping found the Klan didn't help his legacy either.
around when Lee needed to know the Unions troop strength / movements. Lee stated such at the time on both day 1 & 2 of the battle. He also committed a massive failure in not flanking the Union Right in a skirmish with one George Armstrong Custer. He effectively blinded Lee at the crucial moment which allowed the Federals time to consolidate their troops from Cemetary Ridge to little Round Top.
Forest was a pure ruthless commander and an unconventional tactical genius. Headstrong & independent perhaps but a brilliant commander superior to Stuart who the South didn't fully take advantage of. Helping found the Klan didn't help his legacy either.
Said R.E. Lee. Little surprised having grown up a senior Army officer's son. He served with several great generals and helped plan Inchon among other stuff. We would discuss tactics at dinner and I prolly played "army" every day as a kid. Lee made a catastrophic decision to attack superior troops across an open plain holding high ground at Gettysburg. Should have pivoted toward DC keeping his army between the Federals and the city while finding favorable terrain and force the Federals to make a mistake in attacking his army in a superior position. That would have leveled the superior numbers of the Yankees as it takes about 3:1 troop strength numbers to dislodge enemy on higher ground. Longstreet was correct in his advice at end of Day 2 but Daddy Rabbit wanted to end it right then at Gettysburg.
Both were great, for sure. But even Robert E. Lee, himself, said that...
... Forrest was the greatest soldier to come out of that war. Lee had Stuart serving under him. Maybe if he had closer connections with Forrest (who was in the Army of Tennessee) he might have felt differently.
I'm sure Gen. Braxton Bragg thinks differently about Forrest than does Lee.
... Forrest was the greatest soldier to come out of that war. Lee had Stuart serving under him. Maybe if he had closer connections with Forrest (who was in the Army of Tennessee) he might have felt differently.
I'm sure Gen. Braxton Bragg thinks differently about Forrest than does Lee.
JEB Stuart went to West Point and was educated in military strategy. Forrest "drew up plays in the dirt". Both were great at what they did. I think Shelbey Foote said "The Civil War produced two geniuses, Nathan Bedford Forrest and Abraham Lincoln." It's a tough call, Forrest did more with less. He had fewer troopers, poor mounts, outdated weapons etc. Stuart was excellent at screening Lee's advances, he successfully conducted several famous rides round McClellan and the Army of the Potomac, and he commanded Stonewall's men on the second day at Chancellorsville after Stonewall was wounded. If only he had not ridden round Meade during the Gettysburg march. I wouldn't be typing this post. If Stuart had been able to provide Lee with accurate information in late June 1863, Gettysburg doesn't happen or happens on more favorable ground. Oh well.
Kind of a stretch to put that on Stuart, imo, Gettysburg was Lee's...
biggest blunder. Lee allowed himself to get sucked into an offensive battle against entrenched yankee troops. Lee did not have the men to lose in a big, offensive battle. Lee's brilliance was in mobility and defense, neither of which were of any use to him at Gettysburg. Lee allowed the union forces to take the high ground after day one when he had the opportunity to take it himself and instead was overly cautious. IMO; Lee should have withdrawn after day one to fight another day and maintain his army.
Stuart was doing what he had done for the entire war, scouting and attacking enemy supply lines.
Both are great, but I think Forrest had the benefit of being more autonomous and not so connected to a larger army like Stuart was with Lee. The Klan thing is overblown.
biggest blunder. Lee allowed himself to get sucked into an offensive battle against entrenched yankee troops. Lee did not have the men to lose in a big, offensive battle. Lee's brilliance was in mobility and defense, neither of which were of any use to him at Gettysburg. Lee allowed the union forces to take the high ground after day one when he had the opportunity to take it himself and instead was overly cautious. IMO; Lee should have withdrawn after day one to fight another day and maintain his army.
Stuart was doing what he had done for the entire war, scouting and attacking enemy supply lines.
Both are great, but I think Forrest had the benefit of being more autonomous and not so connected to a larger army like Stuart was with Lee. The Klan thing is overblown.
Well, his legacy according to today's standards, maybe. But he ...
.... actually didn't help found it. The group was founded/formed and actually asked Robert E. Lee to lead it. He declined, due to his being viewed as the spokesman for the South. It was Lee, though, who recommended that it be Forrest who lead it. They took Lee's recommendation and the rest is history.
The Klan was formed solely to restore law and order in the prostrate South. The history of Reconstruction is an enormous blot which the U.S. will gladly try to hide, and have been doing so ever since. The Klan wasn't a race-based organization. For example, when none other than Harriet Beecher-Stowe came to Florida to start up and run a school for freed slave children, it was the Klan who protected her from what would have been certain harm.
The Klan officially disbanded in 1877, as law and order had been restored. The only thing that has carried on since that time is what the official Klan referred to as the "spurious Klan," which was nothing but renegade individuals acting on their own and posing themselves as the Klan.
The reason the members of the Klan hid their identities was because the vast majority were former Confederate soldiers. Read the 14th and 15th amendments to see what was the attitude toward these soldiers during that day and time. One could not, and would not, wear their old uniform, nor parts of it, during that time. They totally had to do things in secret.
Also, the mystery added to the organization by the hidden identities helped their cause. Even their name was chosen for that very reason. The name comes from the Greek word "kuklos" which means "circle." The name was basically "Kuklos Clan," but they changed it to be Ku Klux Klan for added mystery.
An excellent book on that history is linked, and here is a photo of the cover. It was written by a daughter of one of the founding members. It was originally published in 1924.
This post was edited on 3/26 12:09 PM by SleepingDawgLying
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.... actually didn't help found it. The group was founded/formed and actually asked Robert E. Lee to lead it. He declined, due to his being viewed as the spokesman for the South. It was Lee, though, who recommended that it be Forrest who lead it. They took Lee's recommendation and the rest is history.
The Klan was formed solely to restore law and order in the prostrate South. The history of Reconstruction is an enormous blot which the U.S. will gladly try to hide, and have been doing so ever since. The Klan wasn't a race-based organization. For example, when none other than Harriet Beecher-Stowe came to Florida to start up and run a school for freed slave children, it was the Klan who protected her from what would have been certain harm.
The Klan officially disbanded in 1877, as law and order had been restored. The only thing that has carried on since that time is what the official Klan referred to as the "spurious Klan," which was nothing but renegade individuals acting on their own and posing themselves as the Klan.
The reason the members of the Klan hid their identities was because the vast majority were former Confederate soldiers. Read the 14th and 15th amendments to see what was the attitude toward these soldiers during that day and time. One could not, and would not, wear their old uniform, nor parts of it, during that time. They totally had to do things in secret.
Also, the mystery added to the organization by the hidden identities helped their cause. Even their name was chosen for that very reason. The name comes from the Greek word "kuklos" which means "circle." The name was basically "Kuklos Clan," but they changed it to be Ku Klux Klan for added mystery.
An excellent book on that history is linked, and here is a photo of the cover. It was written by a daughter of one of the founding members. It was originally published in 1924.
This post was edited on 3/26 12:09 PM by SleepingDawgLying
Newer paperback republishing
