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why dont you libs get going on saving the planet

Oh this definitely represents how most people who are concerned about global warming feel.

Excellent point.
 
Did y’all see the story about the libtard vegan (I know, redundant) in Australia who sued her neighbors because they bbq all the time, and she can’t stand the smell of meat and seafood cooking. She took them all the way to the Supreme Court and lost at every level. Now the neighbors have scheduled a big bbq for October 19 I think, and over 3,000 people have signed up to attend. Karma is a bitch.
 
Oh this definitely represents how most people who are concerned about global warming feel.

Excellent point.

When you support dims you support exactly this kind of lunacy. The dim presidential candidates fall all over each other with crazy anti America green new deal crap every freaking time the get together. Man, you climate alarmist are loons. The planet warms and the planet cools. When I was a kid, the next ice age was coming,, made me worry I wouldn't be able to play outside anymore. This is just like the crap with salt, coffee, eggs, etc etc. One day it will kill you the next it will save you. The dim party is an alarmist group that wants idiots that believe there crap to let them control all aspects of our lives. The ruling class will live like kings and queens while the rest of us are in bread lines if morons listen to them and put them in power.
 
The planet warms and the planet cools.

I will point this out, these warming and cooling cycles are something we can measure. It isn't a case of "welp, it gets hotter and colder and we can't know anything more than that."

Using the same science that shows us there are warming and cooling cycles gives us a prediction of what temperature we should expect. When we are consistently exceeding global benchmarks of what we should expect we can see a trend. And a scary one at that. Particularly where the conditions that promote cooling are diminishing and the ones that promote heating are increasing.

It is a near certainty, but even if it were a 50/50 proposition, why would anyone wager their grandchildren's future quality of life on this.
 
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I will point this out, these warming and cooling cycles are something we can measure. It isn't a case of "welp, it gets hotter and colder and we can't know anything more than that."

Using the same science that shows us there are warming and cooling cycles gives us a prediction of what temperature we should expect. When we are consistently exceeding global benchmarks of what we should expect we can see a trend. And a scary one at that. Particularly where the conditions that promote cooling are diminishing and the ones that promote heating are increasing.

It is a near certainty, but even if it were a 50/50 proposition, why would anyone wager their grandchildren's future quality of life on this.
It should be stated that we are coming out of a recent cooling period and an ice age event as well.
It should also be asked what in the hell were the liberals thinking when they proclaimed the polar ice caps would be melted by 2013? They're power hungry, fear mongering by any means necessary liars.
 
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It should be stated that we are coming out of a recent cooling period and an ice age event as well.

Yes, that's exactly what I said. We know and can track these things. When things begin to warm much faster than what the models are predicting (are they do predict warming, because we are leaving a cooling period) then that is alarming.

It should also be asked what in the hell were the liberals thinking when they proclaimed the polar ice caps would be melted by 2013?

Well it's hard to address what you are talking about because I don't specifically know what you're referencing. If someone took data and used it to make it appear shocking to gain political favor than I would be solidly against that. But that isn't the scientific explanation of the preponderance of evidence. Don't confuse the two.



Sooooo this deserves 1,000,000 o_O emojis.

Geoscience isn't my area of study but I know enough to take a decent stab at this. But you don't need a PhD to see this is bunk.

The crux of this article's argument is that "a natural explanation for climate change exists, this proves there is no human involvement"- is says as much in the second paragraph ..."In no way, shape, or form are humans warming or cooling the planet by driving SUVs or eating beef, in other words."

No one is contesting that there are natural causes for climate change. The problem is these natural causes do not account for all of the change we see. Particularly when there is a sharp spike in a globally industrialized post-WW2 society. These elliptical cycles are on 100,000 year time frame. They can't account for spikes. In fact, they'd disprove that this heating has anything to do with Milankovitch cycles.

They are implying that if there is a natural cause, then there is no other explanatory cause needed. "There is a natural cause, so that's that." Imagine a doctor saying that there is a natural explanation for aging and death, therefore his patient's death has nothing to do with a gunshot wound to the chest, "because death has a natural, non-man-made explanation". This article is written to confuse people and to leverage that confusion (it looks like to sell homeopathic remedies?).

Another small point, but it serves to show how the writer's aim with this piece was deception. Earth's elliptical cycles have been known for a while, I want to say much longer than 1958 like the article implies, but I'll have to look up when.

1958 was the year NASA was founded, and if you are trying to lay the discovery of the cycles at NASA's feet you need to phrase their history pretty particularly. Look at how it's phrased.

"It was the year 1958, to be precise, when NASA first observed that changes in the solar orbit of the earth...."

It's implying that NASA discovered these things. Which they didn't, but the writer wants to paint that picture in the reader's mind. This isn't an honest piece of objective journalism. This is fake news, a click-bait headline with zero substance to back up its stupendous claim.
 
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I will point this out, these warming and cooling cycles are something we can measure. It isn't a case of "welp, it gets hotter and colder and we can't know anything more than that."
Using the same science that shows us there are warming and cooling cycles gives us a prediction of what temperature we should expect. When we are consistently exceeding global benchmarks of what we should expect we can see a trend. And a scary one at that. Particularly where the conditions that promote cooling are diminishing and the ones that promote heating are increasing.

It is a near certainty, but even if it were a 50/50 proposition, why would anyone wager their grandchildren's future quality of life on this.


Goob,,, the scientist promoting this hysteria and the dim pols that are trying to rape America and prey on the weak minded are using models with faulty info. You speak as if you have some education.. Use it to look for yourself. They have loaded the models with made up data. They don't have a clue what the weather will be next month. And do tell, when did a dim ever worry about anyone's grandchildren if they were a legal citizen of the USA???.. They want to kill American babies and bring in illegals and reward them with free health care, free education, and American jobs. I worry about my grandchildren, but not because of made up global warming lies. I worry because people like you that fall for the lies will turn us into a socialistic paradise just like the former USSR, with bread lines and zero freedom.
 
I assume this is the same Ethan Huff who wrote that the measles vaccine kills more people than the measles themselves.

The lunatic right did not get their name by chance, ya'll got some crazy ass folks writing some crazy sh*t that you guys take as gospel.

And again you admit that you are a liar. You have claimed you were a pub which is the right. Go kill a baby and get out of this thread.

You are such a weak minded person. Every lie you believe and swallow like you're a natural.
 
Yes, that's exactly what I said. We know and can track these things. When things begin to warm much faster than what the models are predicting (are they do predict warming, because we are leaving a cooling period) then that is alarming.



Well it's hard to address what you are talking about because I don't specifically know what you're referencing. If someone took data and used it to make it appear shocking to gain political favor than I would be solidly against that. But that isn't the scientific explanation of the preponderance of evidence. Don't confuse the two.
But this is exactly what the globalists/ socialists/ future communists are doing... using shock/fear tactics for power and redistribution of wealth (aka Paris Climate Accord). My reference was back to Al Gore's declaration in 2008 that there would be no ice remaining at either of the poles by 2013. The same goes for the useful idiot (AOC) who proclaimed in January the world would end in 12 years if we don't address climate change. The Green New Deal is about economic control.
As for the model projections you say we're exceeding, whose models are they?
 
Yes, that's exactly what I said. We know and can track these things. When things begin to warm much faster than what the models are predicting (are they do predict warming, because we are leaving a cooling period) then that is alarming.



Well it's hard to address what you are talking about because I don't specifically know what you're referencing. If someone took data and used it to make it appear shocking to gain political favor than I would be solidly against that. But that isn't the scientific explanation of the preponderance of evidence. Don't confuse the two.




Sooooo this deserves 1,000,000 o_O emojis.

Geoscience isn't my area of study but I know enough to take a decent stab at this. But you don't need a PhD to see this is bunk.

The crux of this article's argument is that "a natural explanation for climate change exists, this proves there is no human involvement"- is says as much in the second paragraph ..."In no way, shape, or form are humans warming or cooling the planet by driving SUVs or eating beef, in other words."

No one is contesting that there are natural causes for climate change. The problem is these natural causes do not account for all of the change we see. Particularly when there is a sharp spike in a globally industrialized post-WW2 society. These elliptical cycles are on 100,000 year time frame. They can't account for spikes. In fact, they'd disprove that this heating has anything to do with Milankovitch cycles.

They are implying that if there is a natural cause, then there is no other explanatory cause needed. "There is a natural cause, so that's that." Imagine a doctor saying that there is a natural explanation for aging and death, therefore his patient's death has nothing to do with a gunshot wound to the chest, "because death has a natural, non-man-made explanation". This article is written to confuse people and to leverage that confusion (it looks like to sell homeopathic remedies?).

Another small point, but it serves to show how the writer's aim with this piece was deception. Earth's elliptical cycles have been known for a while, I want to say much longer than 1958 like the article implies, but I'll have to look up when.

1958 was the year NASA was founded, and if you are trying to lay the discovery of the cycles at NASA's feet you need to phrase their history pretty particularly. Look at how it's phrased.

"It was the year 1958, to be precise, when NASA first observed that changes in the solar orbit of the earth...."

It's implying that NASA discovered these things. Which they didn't, but the writer wants to paint that picture in the reader's mind. This isn't an honest piece of objective journalism. This is fake news, a click-bait headline with zero substance to back up its stupendous claim.

So stephenrein the science guy,,, tell me, these things.. How far back do we have actual weather data? When you answer that, tell me this, how far back do they plug numbers into the models? I think you have a problem. They don't have any actual long term data to use so they make up the crap. You can buy what they are selling and give up your life, eat your comrade's if you want, be a good little nasty stinking hippie socialist, live in a hut, walk everywhere you go if you want. But stop the frick trying to destroy this Country so the Chinese and Russians can walk in and take over. YOU young ones with your brand new education and been indoctrinated and are book smart and life stupid.

Go move in with algore,,,he alone should tell you what the dim pols really know and believe. He has cried wolf and told you all to turn off you lights and walk and don't use toilet paper and don't eat meat so you will be weak and easy to control, yet he has a bigger carbon footprint bigger than many small Georgia towns. He's not worried about the planet. He is worried about his wealth and controlling minions like you and food.
 
the scientist promoting this hysteria and the dim pols that are trying to rape America and prey on the weak minded are using models with faulty info. You speak as if you have some education.. Use it to look for yourself. They have loaded the models with made up data.
What in the world are you basing this on?


How far back do we have actual weather data?
Actually quite a long time. I was referencing the atmospheric carbon core data that's used to corroborate the Milankovich cylce theory. It's kind of funny how that was considered useful science like 5 mins ago when it appeared to disprove global warming.
 
What in the world are you basing this on?
Facts!


Actually quite a long time. I was referencing the atmospheric carbon core data that's used to corroborate the Milankovich cylce theory. It's kind of funny how that was considered useful science like 5 mins ago when it appeared to disprove global warming.
 
But this is exactly what the globalists/ socialists/ future communists are doing... using shock/fear tactics for power and redistribution of wealth (aka Paris Climate Accord). My reference was back to Al Gore's declaration in 2008 that there would be no ice remaining at either of the poles by 2013. The same goes for the useful idiot (AOC) who proclaimed in January the world would end in 12 years if we don't address climate change. The Green New Deal is about economic control.
As for the model projections you say we're exceeding, whose models are they?

Like I said, if a politician is taking a fact and spinning it to generate political favor I think that's evil. When left wing politicians do it it's gross. When right wing politicians use "being a Christian and going to church" as a merit badge to appeal to their base (even though their polices are in no way informed by Jesus) then that's disgusting. But that doesn't make me believe the Gospel any less. Just because someone is trying to manipulate the fact of something doesn't make it less true.

Also, about the models. So you referenced earlier that we are leaving a cooling period and entering a warm one. That's true. And we know that through several different means. I'm talking about the same data you are. It's funny when it seems to prove what you already believed about global warming then it's valid but when you look into it... then it's unreliable? And not because the methodology behind the stance changed, but the outcome it predicts wasn't what you expected.

It's a dangerous place to be when you believe articles like the one posted above (which is literally being deceptive) over consensus science.
 
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It's a dangerous place to be when you believe articles like the one posted above (which is literally being deceptive) over consensus science.
What if you believe scientists are quacks who disprove their own crap every hundred years or so?

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Well we are communicating through devices that works based on the theory of electron flow. Do you doubt that science?
No, computers are good science. But, color me unsurprised if scientists announce at some point that they had the theory of electron flow all ballsed up.

Why should I take seriously scientists telling me what the climate will be like in 40 years when they can't reliably tell me if it's going to rain Tuesday?

We're in the time of year in which weather scientists tell me every week that the next week will be cooler. Then by Saturday they tell me it's going to be 95 all next week, but the following week will be cooler. Eventually they're right. It happens every year. The more equipment you buy them, the worse they get. They should be paid based on accuracy.
 
But, color me unsurprised if scientists announce at some point that they had the theory of electron flow all ballsed up.

Well it's at least precise enough to consistently make all of our electronics work as they've been engineered to. So it would be impossibly coincidental if it was "all ballsed up".

Science gets disproved from time to time. But that's the exception, not the rule. That's why we don't believe the sun revolves around the earth and Einstein isn't thought of as a fraud. If you've ever used a GPS you're proving Einstein right btw, as a GPS has to be engineered to account for general relativity to be accurate.

Why should I take seriously scientists telling me what the climate will be like in 40 years when they can't reliably tell me if it's going to rain Tuesday?

We're in the time of year in which weather scientists tell me every week that the next week will be cooler. Then by Saturday they tell me it's going to be 95 all next week, but the following week will be cooler. Eventually they're right. It happens every year. The more equipment you buy them, the worse they get. They should be paid based on accuracy.

Ignoring the fact that you're confusing meteorology and climatology (that's sort of like accusing a farmer of being a bad cook) the answer is that it is much easier to make predictions about global averages than to make specific predictions.

Look at this very crude example. Say you spend 8 hours a day asleep, 8 hours at work, and 8 a day spending family time. If I were to ask you what you were doing in the future on any given day then you could confidently say there's a 33.3% chance you'd be asleep, 33.3% working, and then there is a 33% chance you'll be with family.

But if I were to ask you specifically what you're doing next Tuesday at 12:14:31pm it's a lot harder. Are you going to be holding back a sneeze? Are you going to be picking up a pen? Or standing up from a chair? It's much hard to predict a specific, even if it is closer in time.

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I’m still waiting for one person to explain to me why our nation should take extreme measures costing us millions of jobs that will completely leverage our competitiveness out of the global market and weaken our national security when China, India, & Africa are dwarfing our outputs in pollutants & they will continue to increase their outputs exponentially in the coming decades.

We could go back to horse & buggy - ban all plastics & not make fricking dent into what those nations/continents are and will be spewing.


One person.
 
Ignoring the fact that you're confusing meteorology and climatology (that's sort of like accusing a farmer of being a bad cook) the answer is that it is much easier to make predictions about global averages than to make specific predictions.
I'd put as much faith in an astrologist to tell me what the climate is going to be like in 40 years. Trends change and the past is not always a good predictor of the future. Then again, it is not an issue I'm overly concerned with so I pay little attention to the hysterical climatologists and that moron hypocrite Gore. And thus, I know little about it.

The medical scientists are a piece of work, too. Eat this, no, don't eat this, yeah eat it. Take this pill, no don't take it, yes take it.

Sorry, I don't mean to be insulting your profession.
 
What in the world are you basing this on?



Actually quite a long time. I was referencing the atmospheric carbon core data that's used to corroborate the Milankovich cylce theory. It's kind of funny how that was considered useful science like 5 mins ago when it appeared to disprove global warming.

Ok since you are either too lazy or not bright enough to dig a little for yourself, I will spoon feed you.

1. Weather has only been tracked in this country officially since the 1870's . There are some ad-hoc records back to the 1700's but not consistent.

2. The climate scientist use models which are only as good as the data included in the model. Basically, if they are predisposed socialist anti capitalist they may load data that will help achieve their desired outcome. GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT I ask are you trusting of politicians and socialist scientist that want to destroy the American way of life to tell you the truth about "global warming"?

Here is a brief article, one of thousands that I could post for you but I am not going to waste my time on a young dimorat with an inherent hate for all things free and capitalistic.

https://www.hoover.org/research/flawed-climate-models

The earth has been zooming around for 10000 yrs more or less yet you want to take 150 yrs of what may be inaccurate data and turn ourselves into a 3rd world country???? NOT BRIGHT, and not much of a thinker are you... I am old enough that I walked to school both ways, uphill, in the snow and the blazing heat. I don't want my grandchildren to experience the sore feet I had. I say let them ride in a nice A/Ced SUV>>>> the bigger the better.. keep them safe.
 
Ok since you are either too lazy or not bright enough to dig a little for yourself, I will spoon feed you.

1. Weather has only been tracked in this country officially since the 1870's . There are some ad-hoc records back to the 1700's but not consistent.

2. The climate scientist use models which are only as good as the data included in the model. Basically, if they are predisposed socialist anti capitalist they may load data that will help achieve their desired outcome. GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT I ask are you trusting of politicians and socialist scientist that want to destroy the American way of life to tell you the truth about "global warming"?

Here is a brief article, one of thousands that I could post for you but I am not going to waste my time on a young dimorat with an inherent hate for all things free and capitalistic.

https://www.hoover.org/research/flawed-climate-models

The earth has been zooming around for 10000 yrs more or less yet you want to take 150 yrs of what may be inaccurate data and turn ourselves into a 3rd world country???? NOT BRIGHT, and not much of a thinker are you... I am old enough that I walked to school both ways, uphill, in the snow and the blazing heat. I don't want my grandchildren to experience the sore feet I had. I say let them ride in a nice A/Ced SUV>>>> the bigger the better.. keep them safe.
GREAT response. Next he's going to tell you how they've dug down into 10-million-year-old glaciers, and nuclear-carbon-radioschmorgasboarded the petrified Cedars of Lebanon to accurately record the hourly weather for 40 million years. There is no way scientists can be wrong, I tell you. I'd like to know if it was raining the last time they were arguing whether or not the Earth was flat. Hell, a hundred years from now they might discover it actually is flat.
 

Lol that isn't what ad hoc means. But regardless it is an important point, so put a pin in that, I'll be back to it later. Thanks for bringing it up.

2. The climate scientist use models which are only as good as the data included in the model.
True, but you are dismissing it out of hand for no reason. I'd say that is demonstrably incorrect. I'll go in to detail in a second when I talk about that link you posted.

Basically, if they are predisposed socialist anti capitalist they may load data that will help achieve their desired outcome.
1) you have literally no reason to think that is true other than you don't want to believe what they have to say.
and 2) why doesn't the inverse of this argument make sense to you when billion dollar oil and coal companies have been found out for funding climate denial-ism?

I ask are you trusting of politicians and socialist scientist that want to destroy the American way of life to tell you the truth about "global warming"?
I'd refer back to my previous point that someone misusing the truth doesn't make it false. When Obama claimed to be a Christian that didn't affect my faith in Jesus or the Gospel one way or the other. Because somebody is using (or abusing) a fact doesn't affect reality.
Also, what are you basing "scientists are socialists" on? I'm suuuure you know and work with many more than I do, so please enlighten me.

Here is a brief article, one of thousands that I could post for you but I am not going to waste my time on a young dimorat with an inherent hate for all things free and capitalistic.

https://www.hoover.org/research/flawed-climate-models

Well I'm not a "DumboCrap" but that's a digression.

So this article is written by an economist for a right-wing funded institution that relies on it's readers not understanding how confidence intervals work or knowing that his reasoning has already been shown to be false by putting it to the test. He is saying that gap of uncertainty to too wide to make accurate predictions. But that's simply not true. You can google "do climate models make accurate predictions" and see how they explain hind-casting and milestone measurements and how those things can be logically extrapolated out. And we only need the last 60 years or so of date to make it happen. The videos usually have short sentences with small words, so don't worry.

Here is an article talking about the strengths and shortcoming of climate models.

The earth has been zooming around for 10000 yrs more
Please, please, please tell me what you are basing this on?

or less yet you want to take 150 yrs
We don't even need that much data.

of what may be inaccurate data
not true

and turn ourselves into a 3rd world country????[?QUOTE]
No one is saying this except right-wing politicians who are trying to scare people.

and not much of a thinker are you...
lol yup I sure do hear that a lot.

I am old enough that I walked to school both ways, uphill, in the snow and the blazing heat. I don't want my grandchildren to experience the sore feet I had. I say let them ride in a nice A/Ced SUV>>>> the bigger the better.. keep them safe.
Cool.


Climate denial-ism is propped up on fringe beliefs that rely on hair-brained concoctions despite reality. Do you think that a global cabal of secret elites has worked in perfect anonymity for 70 years to bring about their evil intents one day in the uncertain future? This is like James Bond bad-guy level of stupid planning. Also, what power hungry billionaire would make their life's work completely hidden so that someone else in the future would get credit for what they've done? The much more logical thing to believe is that a trillion dollar oil industry has been paying off politicians and funding bogus research for decades so they don't lose their corner of the market. Oh wait, that's already been proven to be true.

The only reasons to believe in climate denial-ism are ad hoc rationals to support a certain brand of right wing politics.
 
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Lol that isn't what ad hoc means. But regardless it is an important point, so put a pin in that, I'll be back to it later. Thanks for bringing it up.

True, but you are dismissing it out of hand for no reason. I'd say that is demonstrably incorrect. I'll go in to detail in a second when I talk about that link you posted.

1) you have literally no reason to think that is true other than you don't want to believe what they have to say.
and 2) why doesn't the inverse of this argument make sense to you when billion dollar oil and coal companies have been found out for funding climate denial-ism?


I'd refer back to my previous point that someone misusing the truth doesn't make it false. When Obama claimed to be a Christian that didn't affect my faith in Jesus or the Gospel one way or the other. Because somebody is using (or abusing) a fact doesn't affect reality.
Also, what are you basing "scientists are socialists" on? I'm suuuure you know and work with many more than I do, so please enlighten me.



Well I'm not a "DumboCrap" but that's a digression.

So this article is written by an economist for a right-wing funded institution that relies on it's readers not understanding how confidence intervals work or knowing that his reasoning has already been shown to be false by putting it to the test. He is saying that gap of uncertainty to too wide to make accurate predictions. But that's simply not true. You can google "do climate models make accurate predictions" and see how they explain hind-casting and milestone measurements and how those things can be logically extrapolated out. And we only need the last 60 years or so of date to make it happen. The videos usually have short sentences with small words, so don't worry.

Here is an article talking about the strengths and shortcoming of climate models.


Please, please, please tell me what you are basing this on?


We don't even need that much data.


not true
Why do climate scientists keep getting caught with data collection stations in sweltering parking lots and at airports, which they subsequently close amid criticism of distorting locations? Why do the need to move stations from cooler to warmer locations? Why do they need to manipulate data, as they say they do? Why do they need to tamper so much with the methodology if indeed the data accurately show global warming?

I know one thing: Hysteria, such as "we're all going to burn up", leads to continued and increased budgets, and extended grants for academics. If they said "everything is fine", poof, no reason to dump a ton more money on you. So there is a vested interest in the hysteria and data cheating.
 
There is no way scientists can be wrong
I said the literal opposite of this. I'll assume you just didn't read what I said. But it is possible that you are so bereft of reasoning skills that you just believe what your preferred affiliation tells you to believe about people who disagree with you.


Next he's going to tell you how they've dug down into 10-million-year-old glaciers, and nuclear-carbon-radioschmorgasboarded the petrified Cedars of Lebanon to accurately record the hourly weather for 40 million years.

I said the opposite of this as well. See my above point.

Hell, a hundred years from now they might discover it actually is flat.
This brings up two very interesting points.

1) there is no way we could be wrong about whether or not the world is flat. If you've used a cell phone or seen an airplane then you have proof that it is a globe. So no. That (if you honestly believe that, which I doubt you do) is an absurdist believe about the nature of reality that I disagree with on theological grounds.

2) the circumference of the Earth was somewhat accurately measured in 200 B.C. using lengths of shadows cast by the sun and angles. You can take very small data and come up with amazing results.

My favorite example would be how close to being exactly right one estimate of the speed of light was by a scientist in the 17th century using a candle and pieces of paper.
 
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I know one thing: Hysteria, such as "we're all going to burn up", leads to continued and increased budgets, and extended grants for academics. If they said "everything is fine", poof, no reason to dump a ton more money on you. So there is a vested interest in the hysteria and data cheating.

Yeah but if you could prove what your're claiming Exxon would make you one of the richest people in history and they'd make you the first item of every media outlet in the country.

But... it makes more sense to hide that proof so they can continue to have to try to get grants to make a living?

I think your point helps my case.
 
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Yeah but if you could prove what your're claiming Exxon would make you one of the richest people in history and they'd make you the first item of every media outlet in the country.

But... it makes more sense to hide that proof so they can continue to have to try to get grants to make a living?

I think your point helps my case.
NOAA has been caught red-handed, admitted it, and closed stations in ridiculous locations, 600 from 2013 to 2015. Climatologists are a pack of coordinated liars, imo.

And I am not claiming the climate is not getting warmer. I AM claiming the climate scientists have been caught lying too many times for me to take them seriously.
 
Yeah but if you could prove what your're claiming Exxon would make you one of the richest people in history and they'd make you the first item of every media outlet in the country.

But... it makes more sense to hide that proof so they can continue to have to try to get grants to make a living?

I think your point helps my case.


So you are saying that the GOVT grant receiving and Soros funded scientist are influenced by money and greed? Only those associated with the greedy job producing oil industry? Was the NASA scientist that wrote at length about the corruption and down right under handed acts of the climate alarmist paid off?

If these models are soooooooo good at predicting future results,,,,, why oh why have they been wrong soooooo much over the last 20 yrs. I tell you why. The people running the models are shooting for an outcome, they put garbage in and garbage comes out. Why oh why do will still have polar caps? They were supposed to be melted by 2013 per your leader owlgore? Why do so many climate alarmist trips to the poll's to see the effects of global warming and the disappearing ice have to be rescued because they are trapped in a hard white/blue substance? Seems you choose to believe in something that has failed at predicting 10 or 20 yrs out.. Try this:

What follows is a very brief review of these predictions compared to what actually happened.

Global Cooling?

Americans who lived through the 1960s and ’70s may remember the dire global-cooling predictions that were hyped and given great credibility by Newsweek, Time, Life, National Geographic, and numerous other mainstream media outlets. According to the man-made global-cooling theories of the time, billions of people should be dead by now owing to cooling-linked crop failures and starvation.

“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000,” claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. “This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either.

In 1971, another global-cooling alarmist, Stanford University professor Paul Ehrlich, who is perhaps best known for his 1968 book The Population Bomb, made similarly wild forecasts for the end of the millennium in a speech at the British Institute for Biology. “By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people,” he claimed. “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today.” Of course, England still exists, and its population was doing much better in 2000 than when Ehrlich made his kooky claims. But long before 2000, Ehrlich had abandoned global-cooling alarmism in favor of warning that the Earth faced catastrophic global warming. Now he is warning that humans may soon be forced to resort to cannibalism.

To combat the alleged man-made cooling, “experts” suggested all sorts of grandiose schemes, including some that in retrospect appear almost too comical to be real. “Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climate change, or even to allay its effects,” reported Newsweek in its 1975 article “The Cooling World,” which claimed that Earth’s temperature had been plunging for decades due to humanity’s activities. Some of the “more spectacular solutions” proposed by the cooling theorists at the time included “melting the arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers,” Newsweek reported.

Of course, the big alleged threat hyped in recent decades has been global warming, not global cooling. But the accuracy of the climate-change predictions since the cooling fears melted away has hardly improved.


Pentagon Climate Forecasts

Like the UN, the Pentagon commissioned a report on “climate change” that also offered some highly alarming visions of the future under “global warming.” The 2003 document, entitled “An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security,” was widely cited by global-warming theorists, bureaucrats, and the establishment press as evidence that humanity was facing certain doom. It also served as the foundation for the claim that alleged man-made “climate change” was actually a “national security concern.” However, fortunately for the taxpayers forced to pay for the study, the Pentagon report turned out to be just as ridiculous as the UN “climate refugees” forecasts.

By now, according to the “not implausible” scaremongering outlined in the report for a 10-year time period, the world should be a post-apocalyptic disaster zone. Among other outlandish scenarios envisioned in the report over the preceding decade: California flooded with inland seas, parts of the Netherlands “unlivable,” polar ice all but gone in the summers, and surging temperatures. Mass increases in hurricanes, tornadoes, and other natural disasters were supposed to be wreaking havoc across the globe, too. All of that would supposedly spark resource wars and all sorts of other horrors. But none of it actually happened.

The Pentagon report even claimed there was “general agreement in the scientific community” that the extreme scenarios it envisioned could come to pass, and reporters treated it as if it were a prophecy delivered to climate sinners by God Himself. However, when interviewed by the Washington Times for a June 1, 2014 article, consultant and report co-author Doug Randall expressed surprise at how often the now-debunked forecasts were parroted. Yet he still defended the hysterical fear peddling. “When you are looking at worst-case 10 years out, you are not trying to predict precisely what’s going to happen but instead trying to get people to understand what could happen to motivate strategic decision-making and wake people up,” Randall said. “But whether the actual specifics came true, of course not. That never was the main intent.”

The first article about the climate report appeared in early 2004, when the report was leaked to the U.K. Observer, under the sensationalistic title: “Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us.” In a bullet-point summary at the top of the Observer article, journalists Mark Townsend and Paul Harris added: “Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war” and “Britain will be ‘Siberian’ in less than 20 years.” The rest of the article was just as outlandish, going even beyond what the now-discredited Pentagon report claimed. Other reporters took their cue from the Observer article, which in retrospect would have been a hilarious piece of writing if it had not been taken so seriously at the time.

No More Snow?

For well over a decade now, climate alarmists have been claiming that snow would soon become a thing of the past. In March 2000, for example, “senior research scientist” David Viner, working at the time for the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, told the U.K. Independent that within “a few years,” snowfall would become “a very rare and exciting event” in Britain. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he was quoted as claiming in the article, headlined “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past.”

The very next year, snowfall across the United Kingdom increased by more than 50 percent. In 2008, perfectly timed for a “global warming” legislation debate in Parliament, London saw its first October snow since 1934 — or possibly even 1922, according to the U.K. Register. “It is unusual to have snow this early,” a spokesperson for the alarmist U.K. Met office admitted to The Guardian newspaper. By December of 2009, London saw its heaviest levels of snowfall in two decades. In 2010, the coldest U.K. winter since records began a century ago blanketed the islands with snow.

In early 2004, the CRU’s Viner and other self-styled “experts” warned that skiing in Scotland would soon become just a memory, thanks to alleged global warming. “Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry,” Viner told The Guardian. Another “expert,” Adam Watson with the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, told the paper that the skiing industry in Scotland had less than two decades left to go. Yet in 2013, too much snow kept many Scottish resorts closed. “Nevis Range, The Lecht, Cairngorm, Glenshee and Glencoe all remain closed today due to the heavy snow,” reported OnTheSnow.com on January 4, 2013. Ironically, by 2014, the BBC, citing experts, reported that the Scottish hills had more snow than at any point in seven decades. It also reported that the Nevis Range ski resort could not operate some of its lifts because they were “still buried under unprecedented amounts of snow.”

The IPCC has also been relentlessly hyping the snowless winter scare, along with gullible or agenda-driven politicians. In its 2001 Third Assessment Report, for example, the IPCC claimed “milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms.” Again, though, the climate refused to cooperate. The year 2013, the last year for which complete data is available, featured the fourth-highest levels on record, according to data from Rutgers University’s Global Snow Lab. Spring snow cover was the highest in a decade, while data for the fall indicate that it was the fifth highest ever recorded. Last December, meanwhile, brought with it a new high record in Northern Hemisphere snow cover, Global Snow Lab data show.

Blame Global Warming?

After the outlandish predictions of snowless winters failed to materialize, the CRU dramatically changed its tune on snowfall. All across Britain, in fact, global-warming alarmists rushed to blame the record cold and heavy snow experienced in recent years on — you guessed it! — global warming. Less snow: global warming. More snow: global warming. Get it? Good.

The same phenomenon took place in the United States just last winter. As record cold and snowfall was pummeling much of North America, warming theorists contradicted all of their previous forecasts and claimed that global warming was somehow to blame. Among them: White House Science “Czar” John Holdren. “A growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues,” he claimed.

That assertion, of course, is exactly the opposite of what the UN “settled science” IPCC predicted in its 2001 global-warming report, which claimed that the planet would see “warmer winters and fewer cold spells, because of climate change.” Ironically, perhaps, Holdren warned decades ago that human CO2 emissions would lead to a billion deaths due to global warming-fueled global cooling — yes, cooling, which he said would lead to a new ice age by 2020.

Ridiculous forecasts have been made by other “climate scientists” who, like Holdren, continue to reap huge amounts of U.S. taxpayer dollars in salaries, grants, and benefits despite being consistently wrong. James Hansen, for instance, who headed NASA’s Goddard Institute for three decades before taking a post at Columbia University, is one of the best known “climatologists” in the world — despite his long and embarrassing record of bad forecasting spanning decades.

In 1988, Hansen was asked by journalist and author Rob Reiss how the “greenhouse effect” would affect the neighborhood outside his window within 20 years (by 2008). “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water,” Hansen claimed. “And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.... There will be more police cars … [since] you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.” In 1986, Hansen also predicted in congressional testimony that the Earth would be some two degrees warmer within 20 years. In recent years, after the anticipated warming failed to materialize, alarmists have cooled on predicting such a dramatic jump in temperature over such a short period of time.

Separately, another prominent alarmist, Princeton professor and lead UN IPCC author Michael Oppenheimer, made some dramatic predictions in 1990 while working as “chief scientist” for the Environmental Defense Fund. By 1995, he said then, the “greenhouse effect” would be “desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots.” By 1996, he added, the Platte River of Nebraska “would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers.” The situation would get so bad that “Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”

When confronted on his failed predictions, Oppenheimer, who also served as former Vice President Al Gore’s advisor, refused to apologize. “On the whole I would stand by these predictions — not predictions, sorry, scenarios — as having at least in a general way actually come true,” he claimed. “There’s been extensive drought, devastating drought, in significant parts of the world. The fraction of the world that’s in drought has increased over that period.” Unfortunately for Oppenheimer, even his fellow alarmists debunked that claim in a 2012 study for Nature, pointing out that there has been “little change in global drought over the past 60 years.”

Arctic Ice

Perhaps nowhere have the alarmists’ predictions been proven as wrong as at the Earth’s poles. In 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore, the high priest for a movement described by critics as the “climate cult,” publicly warned that the North Pole would be “ice-free” in the summer by around 2013 because of alleged “man-made global warming.”

Speaking to an audience in Germany five years ago, Gore — sometimes ridiculed as “The Goracle” — alleged that “the entire North Polarized [sic] cap will disappear in five years.” “Five years,” Gore said again, in case anybody missed it the first time, is “the period of time during which it is now expected to disappear.”

The following year, Gore made similar claims at a UN “climate” summit in Copenhagen. “Some of the models … suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore claimed in 2009. “We will find out.”

Yes, we have found out. Contrary to the predictions by Gore and fellow alarmists, satellite data showed that Arctic ice volume as of summer of 2013 had actually expanded more than 50 percent over 2012 levels. In fact, during October 2013, sea-ice levels grew at the fastest pace since records began in 1979. Many experts now predict the ongoing expansion of Arctic ice to continue in the years to come, leaving global-warming alarmists scrambling for explanations to save face — and to revive the rapidly melting climate hysteria.

Gore, though, was hardly alone in making the ridiculous and now thoroughly discredited predictions about Arctic ice. Citing climate experts, the British government-funded BBC, for example, also hyped the mass hysteria, running a now-embarrassing article on December 12, 2007, under the headline: “Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’.” In that piece, which was still online as of July 2014, the BBC highlighted alleged “modeling studies” that supposedly “indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.” Incredibly, some of the supposed “experts” even claimed it could happen before then, citing calculations performed by “super computers” that the BBC noted have “become a standard part of climate science in recent years.”

“Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007,” claimed Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, described as a researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School who was working with co-workers at NASA to come up with the now-thoroughly discredited forecasts about polar ice. “So given that fact, you can argue that may be [sic] our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.” (Emphasis added.) Other “experts” quoted in the BBC article agreed with the hysteria.

In the real world, however, the scientific evidence demolishing the global-warming theories advanced by Gore, the UN, and government-funded “climate scientists” continues to grow, along with the ice cover in both hemispheres. In the Arctic, for example, data collected by Europe’s Cryosat spacecraft pointed to about 9,000 cubic kilometers of ice volume at the end of the 2013 melt season. In 2012, which was admittedly a low year, the total volume was about 6,000 cubic kilometers.

Indeed, in 2007, when Gore and others started making their predictions about imminent “ice-free” Arctic summers, the average sea-ice area extent after the summer melt for the month of September was 4.28 million square kilometers. By 2013, even on September 13, the minimum ice-cover day for the whole year, ice levels were way above the 2007 average for the month — by an area almost the size of California. The lowest level recorded on a single day during 2013 was 5.1 million square kilometers. By late July 2014, Arctic sea-ice extent was almost at its highest level in a decade, and scientists expect even less melting this summer than last year.

Despite parroting the wild claims five years ago, the establishment press has, unsurprisingly, refused to report that Gore and his fellow alarmists were proven embarrassingly wrong. No apologies from Gore have been forthcoming, either, and none of the “scientists” who made the ridiculous predictions quoted by the BBC has apologized or lost his taxpayer-funded job. In fact, almost unbelievably, the establishment press is now parroting new claims from the same discredited “experts” suggesting that the Arctic will be “ice-free” by 2016.

Antarctic Ice

Even more embarrassing for the warmists have been trends in the Southern Hemisphere. Of course, all of the “climate models” and “climate experts” and “scientists” predicted that rising CO2 emissions would increase global temperatures, which would melt the ice in Antarctica — by far the largest mass of frozen H2O on the planet. Indeed, the forecasts were crucial to many of the other predictions about surging sea levels and related gloom and doom.

The problem for global-warming theorists is that the opposite happened. Indeed, sea ice in Antarctica is off the charts, consistently smashing previous record highs on a near-daily basis. Sea-ice area in the south is now at the highest point since records began — by a lot — and the warmists are searching frantically for an explanation. Some are, incredibly, considering their past forecasts, trying to blame global warming. But the fact remains: Their predictions for Antarctica were as wrong as they possibly could be. Instead of melting as forecasted, ice levels are surging to new and unprecedented heights. As of early July, an area of the southern oceans the size of Greenland is frozen that, based on the average, should currently be open waters. If both poles are considered together, there is about one million square kilometers of frozen area above and beyond the long-term average.

Even UN warmists have been forced to concede that they do not know what is going on or why their “climate models” that predicted melting have been proven so wildly off the mark. “There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent since 1979, due to … incomplete and competing scientific explanations for the causes of change,” the IPCC admitted in its latest report. For now, the warmists have simply been trying their best to keep the public from noticing or examining the phenomenal growth in Antarctic ice.

As The New American reported earlier this year, the desperation and denial among warmists was illustrated perfectly in December. A ship full of global-warming alarmists led by a “climate scientist” went on a mission to study how “global warming” was melting Antarctic ice. Instead of completing their mission, they ended up getting their vessel trapped in record-setting levels of sea ice.

Obama Claims

In his second-term inaugural address, Obama also made some climate claims, saying: “Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires and crippling drought and powerful storms.” Ironically, all three of the examples he provided of what he called the “threat of climate change” actually discredit his argument.

As Forbes magazine pointed out last year, the number of wildfires has plummeted 15 percent since 1950, and according the National Academy of Sciences, that trend is likely to continue for decades. On “droughts,” a 2012 study published in the alarmist journal Nature noted that there has been “little change in global drought over the past 60 years.” The UN’s own climate alarmists were even forced to conclude last year that in many regions of the world, “droughts have become less frequent, less intense, or shorter.”

Regarding hurricanes and tornadoes, it probably would have been hard for Obama to choose a worse example to illustrate the alleged threat of man-made warming. Contrary to predictions by global warmists, hurricanes and tornadoes have been hitting in record-setting low numbers. “When the 2014 hurricane season starts it will have been 3,142 days since the last Category 3+ storm made landfall in the U.S., shattering the record for the longest stretch between U.S. intense hurricanes since 1900,” noted professor of environmental studies Roger Pielke, Jr. at the University of Colorado, who last year left alarmists who had predicted more extreme weather linked to alleged global warming silent after pointing out the facts in a Senate hearing. “The five-year period ending 2013 has seen two hurricane landfalls. That is a record low since 1900.” After adjusting the data for trends such as population growth and better reporting, it appears that 2013 also featured the lowest number of tornadoes in the long-term record.

In June 2008, Obama declared: “I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children … this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” He was referring, of course, to his own election, as if he were some sort of savior here to save humanity from its carbon-climate sins. In the real world, though, despite his grandiose and bombastic view of himself as global climate messiah, Obama has no more power to stop the “climate” from changing than his legions of discredited “experts” have demonstrated to successfully predict it.

Also ironically, perhaps, is that there had been no global warming since long before he took office. Worldwide, the disastrous forecasts by climate alarmists have proven to be similarly embarrassing. By now, anybody who follows “climate” news knows that “global warming” has been on what alarmists call “pause” for 18 years and counting, despite ongoing increases in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. The stubborn refusal of temperatures to rise (and accelerate) as forecasted by all of the UN’s 73 “climate models” has discredited the models, the UN, and the alleged “science” behind the computer forecasts. Every single model predicted more warming than has occurred, an atrocious record that defies explanation. Even a monkey rolling the dice or a scam artist pretending to read the future from a crystal ball would have a better record, based only on the laws of probability.

Of course, alarmists have come up with at least a dozen excuses for the failure of temperatures to rise in accordance with their debunked models. The Obama administration’s favorite: the theory of “The Ocean Ate My Global Warming.” Last year, the Associated Press, citing leaked documents, reported that the U.S. government had pressured the UN IPCC to incorporate that excuse, for which there is not a scintilla of observable evidence, into its most recent global-warming report.

A Prediction

The website Watts Up With That (WUWT), run by meteorologist and climate researcher Anthony Watts, highlighted the embarrassing record in late 2013 following a particularly devastating year for “climate” predictions. “It seems like every major CAGW [Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming] prediction has failed in 2013,” the article explains, citing a vast trove of scientific data debunking alarmist forecasts. “Regardless of efforts to nebulize CAGW to explain all forms of climatic and weather variation, in 2013 every loosely falsifiable prediction of the CAGW narrative seems to have failed. The apparent complete failure of the CAGW narrative in 2013 could make the most fundamentalist agnostic wonder if Mother Nature sometimes takes sides, aka the Gore Effect.” Perhaps the Almighty has a sense of humor.

Few people would make an important decision based on next week’s weather forecast. When it comes to “climate,” though, the $360 billion-per-year climate establishment is telling humanity that civilization must be reorganized from top to bottom based on failed models purporting to make predictions decades and even centuries in advance. Flawed predictions aside, a great deal of evidence suggests accuracy or truth was never the intent — generating fear to seize more money and power was (and is). Many top alarmists have admitted as much, with some responding to the implosion of their theories with calls for censorship or, more extreme still, the imprisonment, re-education, and even execution of “climate deniers.”
 
Lol that isn't what ad hoc means. But regardless it is an important point, so put a pin in that, I'll be back to it later. Thanks for bringing it up.

True, but you are dismissing it out of hand for no reason. I'd say that is demonstrably incorrect. I'll go in to detail in a second when I talk about that link you posted.

1) you have literally no reason to think that is true other than you don't want to believe what they have to say.
and 2) why doesn't the inverse of this argument make sense to you when billion dollar oil and coal companies have been found out for funding climate denial-ism?


I'd refer back to my previous point that someone misusing the truth doesn't make it false. When Obama claimed to be a Christian that didn't affect my faith in Jesus or the Gospel one way or the other. Because somebody is using (or abusing) a fact doesn't affect reality.
Also, what are you basing "scientists are socialists" on? I'm suuuure you know and work with many more than I do, so please enlighten me.



Well I'm not a "DumboCrap" but that's a digression.

So this article is written by an economist for a right-wing funded institution that relies on it's readers not understanding how confidence intervals work or knowing that his reasoning has already been shown to be false by putting it to the test. He is saying that gap of uncertainty to too wide to make accurate predictions. But that's simply not true. You can google "do climate models make accurate predictions" and see how they explain hind-casting and milestone measurements and how those things can be logically extrapolated out. And we only need the last 60 years or so of date to make it happen. The videos usually have short sentences with small words, so don't worry.

Here is an article talking about the strengths and shortcoming of climate models.


Please, please, please tell me what you are basing this on?


We don't even need that much data.


not true

I don't know what you think I was saying ad-hoc meant? I know what it means, do you?

10000 years because I am smart enough to believe in the Bible and too smart to believe that everything came from nothing.

I think you have to be such a liberal pub that you are indeed a dumbocrat by practice.

Some articles are right leaning some of left,, why do you choose to believe the left leaning? The ones that will destroy our way of life and make us a 3rd world country? That's what the socialist party of America (dimorat party for short) wants. They hate America and what we have and stand for. Why do you hate America?

If I didn't answer all your ?'s for me in this post and the one above just ask. I'll gladly answer.

Oh and just a little more info on wrong predictions of your beloved models also made by another America hating organization, the UN

United Nations “Climate Refugees”

In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) warned that imminent sea-level rises, increased hurricanes, and desertification caused by “man-made global warming” would lead to massive population disruptions. In a handy map, the organization highlighted areas that were supposed to be particularly vulnerable in terms of producing “climate refugees.” Especially at risk were regions such as the Caribbean and low-lying Pacific islands, along with coastal areas.

The 2005 UNEP predictions claimed that, by 2010, some 50 million “climate refugees” would be frantically fleeing from those regions of the globe. However, not only did the areas in question fail to produce a single “climate refugee,” by 2010, population levels for those regions were actually still soaring. In many cases, the areas that were supposed to be producing waves of “climate refugees” and becoming uninhabitable turned out to be some of the fastest-growing places on Earth.

In the Bahamas, for example, according to the 2010 census, there was a major increase in population, going from around 300,000 in 2000 to more than 350,000 by 2010. The population of St. Lucia, meanwhile, grew by five percent during the same period. The Seychelles grew by about 10 percent. The Solomon Islands also witnessed a major population boom during that time frame, gaining another 100,000 people, or an increase of about 25 percent.

In China, meanwhile, the top six fastest growing cities were all within the areas highlighted by the UN as likely sources of “climate refugees.” Many of the fastest-growing U.S. cities were also within or close to “climate refugee” danger zones touted by the UN

Rather than apologizing for its undisputable mistake after being first exposed by reporter Gavin Atkins at Asian Correspondent, the global body responded in typical alarmist fashion: with an Orwellian coverup seeking to erase all evidence of its ridiculous predictions. First, the UNEP took its “climate refugees” map down from the Web. That failed, of course, because the content was archived online prior to its disappearance down the UN “memory hole.

Then the UNEP tried and failed to distance itself from the outlandish claims, despite the fact that the map was created by a UNEP cartographer, released by UNEP, and repeatedly hyped by the outfit in its scaremongering campaigns. Eventually, as more and more media around the world began picking up the story, a spokesperson for the UN agency claimed the map was removed because it was “causing confusion.”

It was hardly the first time UN bureaucrats had made such dire predictions, only to be proven wrong. On June 30, 1989, the Associated Press ran an article headlined: “UN Official Predicts Disaster, Says Greenhouse Effect Could Wipe Some Nations Off Map.” In the piece, the director of the UNEP’s New York office was quoted as claiming that “entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000.” He also predicted “coastal flooding and crop failures” that “would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos.”

Other UN predictions were so ridiculous that they were retracted before they could even be proven wrong. Consider, as just one example, the scandal that came to be known as “Glaciergate.” In its final 2007 report, widely considered the “gospel” of “settled” climate “science,” the UN IPCC suggested that Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035 or sooner. It turns out the wild assertion was lifted from World Wildlife Fund propaganda literature. The IPCC recanted the claim after initially defending it.
 
10000 years because I am smart enough to believe in the Bible and too smart to believe that everything came from nothing.

Today was more busy than I anticipated, so I can't get to all this right now.

But could you remind me where in the Bible it says (or even hints at) the age of the earth.
 
I’m sorry, but the Bible is an accurate representation of history now? Noah was 950? Dinosaurs? The Bible is not A definition of history
 
I’m sorry, but the Bible is an accurate representation of history now? Noah was 950? Dinosaurs? The Bible is not A definition of history

ummm, you are going to be in for a big surprise.

Noah was not the oldest ever.
I don't understand what your Dinosaurs question mark is about. God created dinosaurs.
 
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