Why has the defense regressed ?......

[HeulenHund2]

Is Coach Pruitt already losing his players ?
I think that is a fair question at this point. Nothing about The Tenn game after the 1st quarter looked like it was well coached. The pass rush was nonexistent, the secondary was god awful, considering that is Coach Pruitt's specialty it is a huge red flag.
I'm not giving up on this staff by any means. Watching the near complete lack of tackling form and worse, a seeming reluctance by most defensive players to stand in front of ball carriers and square up, I'm also not confident in them like I was just 2 weeks ago.

How about the offensive staff, Schotty in particular ? don't get me started.

 

[BonJax]

My impression is, that like Grantham, Pruitt can design a decent game plan. The problem is that when the other team adjusts to what we're doing, neither could adjust to the adjustment so to speak. I'm talking way over my X&O head, but UF last year.....no adjustments, GTU....no adjustments (although I don't think he knew what to do with them in the first place).

Anyway, that's my $0.02.......not sure I'm right, but that's my impression. Plenty of folks on here understand the game much better than I.

 

[FeralDawg]

I saw a reluctance to tackle. Really stood out. I'm a defense first guy personally.
But Lambert could have helped more on O. Not pinning the whole loss on
him because the scheme we used was pedestrian at best. Looked like a freshman QB's
first game. Only letting loose when there was literally no options left.

 

[HeulenHund2]

I saw a reluctance to tackle. Really stood out. I'm a defense first guy personally.
But Lambert could have helped more on O. Not pinning the whole loss on
him because the scheme we used was pedestrian at best. Looked like a freshman QB's
first game. Only letting loose when there was literally no options left.

That reluctance to tackle by so many defensive players has to come from somewhere. Maybe our coaches overreacted after Lorenzo Carter was flagged and tossed for ''targeting''. If so it fits with our 10 year history of struggling to find the sweet spot in preparing the team. Richt seems to have little idea whether the team is well prepared before it unfolds during the course of games.

 

[ZosoDawg]

Is Coach Pruitt already losing his players ?
I think that is a fair question at this point. Nothing about The Tenn game after the 1st quarter looked like it was well coached. The pass rush was nonexistent, the secondary was god awful, considering that is Coach Pruitt's specialty it is a huge red flag.
I'm not giving up on this staff by any means. Watching the near complete lack of tackling form and worse, a seeming reluctance by most defensive players to stand in front of ball carriers and square up, I'm also not confident in them like I was just 2 weeks ago.

How about the offensive staff, Schotty in particular ? don't get me started.

In my opinion, he is trying to get to cute with what he is doing and confusing the players. Line up and smash them in the mouth is what we should be doing. Leonard Floyd doesn't need to be playing all over the field. Put him as a stand up DE and let him take off. Quit sneaking LB's and DB's up to the line to show blitz then try to drop them back in coverage. Any team with a TE worth a damn will kill that all day long, as UT did when they needed to move the chains. Speaking of TE's, why can't we just send our TE's down the middle on a skinny post like everyone else in the league. JB83 has been wasted so far this year. Kid can play, but he never seems to be involved in anything but the running game.

 

[-MDVOL]

Is Coach Pruitt already losing his players ?
I think that is a fair question at this point. Nothing about The Tenn game after the 1st quarter looked like it was well coached. The pass rush was nonexistent, the secondary was god awful, considering that is Coach Pruitt's specialty it is a huge red flag.
I'm not giving up on this staff by any means. Watching the near complete lack of tackling form and worse, a seeming reluctance by most defensive players to stand in front of ball carriers and square up, I'm also not confident in them like I was just 2 weeks ago.

How about the offensive staff, Schotty in particular ? don't get me started.

Some observations

https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/sec-film-room-tennessees-offensive-adjustments-outsmart-uga

 

[HeulenHund2]

In my opinion, he is trying to get to cute with what he is doing and confusing the players. Line up and smash them in the mouth is what we should be doing. Leonard Floyd doesn't need to be playing all over the field. Put him as a stand up DE and let him take off. Quit sneaking LB's and DB's up to the line to show blitz then try to drop them back in coverage. Any team with a TE worth a damn will kill that all day long, as UT did when they needed to move the chains. Speaking of TE's, why can't we just send our TE's down the middle on a skinny post like everyone else in the league. JB83 has been wasted so far this year. Kid can play, but he never seems to be involved in anything but the running game.

I think the only way to get the TEs the ball with Lambert at QB is to make them first in his progressions. The guy is too panicky to consistently find a secondary target anywhere other than a back standing still with outreaching hands. Still, it shows Schotty's lack of imagination. He is what he was in the NFL, his Dad as well. He is a mechanic, not an artist.

 

[ZosoDawg]

I think the only way to get the TEs the ball with Lambert at QB is to make them first in his progressions. The guy is too panicky to consistently find a secondary target anywhere other than a back standing still with outreaching hands. Still, it shows Schotty's lack of imagination. He is what he was in the NFL, his Dad as well. He is a mechanic, not an artist.

There was a reason Rams fans weren't that upset when he left. You would have thought everyone on their message board was given a million dollars by how happy they were.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Some observations

https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/sec-film-room-tennessees-offensive-adjustments-outsmart-uga

Good find It seems clear OCs have Pruitt's tendencies figured out. We'll find out if we have a complete DC who can make needed adjustments, if not We might have another CWM on our hands.

 

[singlewingdawg]

Defense tackled poorly, because UT ran twice as many plays on offense as UGA. First half was pretty good, until late in the 2nd qtr. By the 2nd half, they were exhausted. When you're tired, tackling suffers. I lay this squarely on the offenses inability to sustain drives and get first downs. Defense is not the problem. Offense and special teams are.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Defense tackled poorly, because UT ran twice as many plays on offense as UGA. First half was pretty good, until late in the 2nd qtr. By the 2nd half, they were exhausted. When you're tired, tackling suffers. I lay this squarely on the offenses inability to sustain drives and get first downs. Defense is not the problem. Offense and special teams are.

The only way the number of offensive plays run by The Vols might have contributed to what We saw is if fatigue made cowards of our players as the old saying suggest it can. I saw MANY players deliberated step out of the path of ball carriers, then just reach in with their hands.
Even if that was the case, which I'm not convinced it was, it doesn't explain our defensive coaches not making very basic adjustments with the MLBs and safeties. Besides, we used enough players to offset the disparity in the number of plays run by Tenn's offense.
Sorry, but both offense and defense shares in this cluster duck.

 

[oletex]

Is Coach Pruitt already losing his players ?
I think that is a fair question at this point. Nothing about The Tenn game after the 1st quarter looked like it was well coached. The pass rush was nonexistent, the secondary was god awful, considering that is Coach Pruitt's specialty it is a huge red flag.
I'm not giving up on this staff by any means. Watching the near complete lack of tackling form and worse, a seeming reluctance by most defensive players to stand in front of ball carriers and square up, I'm also not confident in them like I was just 2 weeks ago.

How about the offensive staff, Schotty in particular ? don't get me started.

The defense DOES NOT have the experienced players in depth at this time defensively. Simple as that. All new starters at the down defensive line. LB'er. And a ridiculously young secondary. Dawgs brought in a bunch of head cases in the secondary and all are gone leaving that area high and dry. Up til this game they had played beyond the players ability this year. Great in red zone and sure tacklers. The UT game was fallout from getting way high and putting so much effort in prep and playing Alabama. Pruitt is a difference maker for the Georgia program.

 

[HeulenHund2]

The defense DOES NOT have the experienced players in depth at this time defensively. Simple as that. All new starters at the down defensive line. LB'er. And a ridiculously young secondary. Dawgs brought in a bunch of head cases in the secondary and all are gone leaving that area high and dry. Up til this game they had played beyond the players ability this year. Great in red zone and sure tacklers. The UT game was fallout from getting way high and putting so much effort in prep and playing Alabama. Pruitt is a difference maker for the Georgia program.

Those same DBs played better last season, the regressing is troubling.
Your contention Pruitt is a difference maker is your opinion of what he might do, not what he's done. Why isn't our defensive staff making adjustments that obviously need to be made both in game and between games ? The defense made the exact same mistake against both Bama and Tenn, it was an easy fix that went uncorrected. There's also atrocious tackling that is far worse than at any point last season or even earlier this season.

 

[Thenumber34]

The defense DOES NOT have the experienced players in depth at this time defensively. Simple as that. All new starters at the down defensive line. LB'er. And a ridiculously young secondary. Dawgs brought in a bunch of head cases in the secondary and all are gone leaving that area high and dry. Up til this game they had played beyond the players ability this year. Great in red zone and sure tacklers. The UT game was fallout from getting way high and putting so much effort in prep and playing Alabama. Pruitt is a difference maker for the Georgia program.

Other than being a good recruiter, how is Pruitt a difference maker? The Florida and Tech games from last year not to mention Alabama and UT games are evidence that he may be in over his head. Atrocious.

 

[oletex]

Those same DBs played better last season, the regressing is troubling.
Your contention Pruitt is a difference maker is your opinion of what he might do, not what he's done. Why isn't our defensive staff making adjustments that obviously need to be made both in game and between games ? The defense made the exact same mistake against both Bama and Tenn, it was an easy fix that went uncorrected. There's also atrocious tackling that is far worse than at any point last season or even earlier this season.

Not true in totality. His defense swarmed an au lead by Nick Marshall last year and was 5th nationally in red zone defense before the Bama game this year. Plus they had tackled well. Problems are obvious, Mauger is a 3rd year guy and everyone else is a freshman or soph. A who's who of idiats were signed by staff before JP arrived and have of course moved on. Leaving him with their young backups and fresh/sophs. Last years defense had big time linebackers, this year we are playing a UAB transfer and some guys. Last years defense had a veteran down defensive line. 4 and 6 star recruits. They are gone. Pruitt doesn't have the players and the ones he has are very young. They will get better this year and at some point be excellent. You can adjust all you want but when guys are freshmen they sometimes don't get it. And when you 18/19 year olds are getting hell beat out of them by 21/22 year olds who have been in an SEC program for 3/4/5 years adjusting don't help much.

 

[oletex]

Other than being a good recruiter, how is Pruitt a difference maker? The Florida and Tech games from last year not to mention Alabama and UT games are evidence that he may be in over his head. Atrocious.

The line would be long to hire him if he decided to leave. Great recruiter and an outstanding football coach.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Not true in totality. His defense swarmed an au lead by Nick Marshall last year and was 5th nationally in red zone defense before the Bama game this year. Plus they had tackled well. Problems are obvious, Mauger is a 3rd year guy and everyone else is a freshman or soph. A who's who of idiats were signed by staff before JP arrived and have of course moved on. Leaving him with their young backups and fresh/sophs. Last years defense had big time linebackers, this year we are playing a UAB transfer and some guys. Last years defense had a veteran down defensive line. 4 and 6 star recruits. They are gone. Pruitt doesn't have the players and the ones he has are very young. They will get better this year and at some point be excellent. You can adjust all you want but when guys are freshmen they sometimes don't get it. And when you 18/19 year olds are getting hell beat out of them by 21/22 year olds who have been in an SEC program for 3/4/5 years adjusting don't help much.

We've been pretty good on the interior defensive line. Our veteran pass rushers have been below average and the same players from last year's secondary are clearly playing worse than in 2014.
The most troubling to me though, Sanders and others are playing wild playground ball and I don't see our coaches doing much about it. He damn sure doesn't command discipline like Saban does and he doesn't show the quick mind to make championship level in-game adjustments.

 

[oletex]

We've been pretty good on the interior defensive line. Our veteran pass rushers have been below average and the same players from last year's secondary are clearly playing worse than in 2014.
The most troubling to me though, Sanders and others are playing wild playground ball and I don't see our coaches doing much about it. He damn sure doesn't command discipline like Saban does and he doesn't show the quick mind to make championship level in-game adjustments.

Actually the part of the team that has underachieved is the offense. A receiver as good as anyone's in Mitchell. 2 great running backs in Chubb and SM. Outstanding TE's. And a hell of an OL with two All American types or at least first team All SEC types plus two other returning starters. With maturity, lots of older guys. They score 10 in the biggest game in years and years, hell maybe as big as any ever, at the time in Sanford. And then spit out the bit with the game on the line in Knoxville. As far as Saban/Kirby their defense has not been the same (til this year and still they gave Ole Miss 43) after JP left. The secondary has been a wreck til this season. And Kirby coached it last year. The fans soon came up with a slogan of third and Kirby.

Look, fans want instant gratification but it doesn't always work that way. Saban came to Alabama and promptly went 7-6 and lost to....LA-Monroe. He went to LSU and lost to...UAB. Coaching is making the most of what you have Dawgs don't have all that much this year, with Jenkins out Floyd would be the only guy who could start at UA on defense. But they will be good in time, good enough to win the SEC if the offense does it's part. With UF losing the QB who else on the schedule is a serious candidate to beat us. At this point I expect Georgia to be in the Atlanta. UF will go down to LSU and we should beat them. I believe the opponent will be one of these schools in this order: (1) LSU (2) A plus M (3) Ole Miss or Bama. Anything can happen in one game but I would say a 10-2 season...L in Atlanta and a W bowl win because this young defense should start growing up. 11-3 with this club is a hell of a year. It could be worse. Bama is on the road at A and M this week after an open week for Aggies to prepare and then home to LSU. They will lose one of those. Say they win the rest and a bowl. That's 11-2. Same number of wins as us. So there you go.

 

[singlewingdawg]

I think he's a great coach, too. Far better than CWM and Grantham. Remember players looking at the sidelines with their hands up? We're in much better shape defensively. Offense needs consistency and rhythm.

 

[Thenumber34]

Do yall realize the OC UT used to beat us this year wasn't even coaching football last year?

He was administrator at Michigan over field hockey and tennis.

Genius.

 

[HeulenHund2]

I think he's a great coach, too. Far better than CWM and Grantham. Remember players looking at the sidelines with their hands up? We're in much better shape defensively. Offense needs consistency and rhythm.

I know it's not as neat and simple as pointing to one side as the problem, but the truth is all three phases of the team are playing rather poorly of late.
The defense absolutely stunk it up for 2 1/2 quarters against Tenn. Their offensive coaches stayed a step ahead of our defensive coaches, it was very obvious. Then there was tackling, or the embarrassing lack of tackling.
I'm not giving up on either Schotty or Pruitt by any means, but both still have a lot to prove.

 

[mansfielddawg]

Is Coach Pruitt already losing his players ?
I think that is a fair question at this point. Nothing about The Tenn game after the 1st quarter looked like it was well coached. The pass rush was nonexistent, the secondary was god awful, considering that is Coach Pruitt's specialty it is a huge red flag.
I'm not giving up on this staff by any means. Watching the near complete lack of tackling form and worse, a seeming reluctance by most defensive players to stand in front of ball carriers and square up, I'm also not confident in them like I was just 2 weeks ago.

How about the offensive staff, Schotty in particular ? don't get me started.

First things first!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn to tackle! It has been a problem on Richt's teams since he arrived. And do not get me started on his teams that seemed to be totally unprepared in many games.

 

[dieharddawg62]

Actually the part of the team that has underachieved is the offense. A receiver as good as anyone's in Mitchell. 2 great running backs in Chubb and SM. Outstanding TE's. And a hell of an OL with two All American types or at least first team All SEC types plus two other returning starters. With maturity, lots of older guys. They score 10 in the biggest game in years and years, hell maybe as big as any ever, at the time in Sanford. And then spit out the bit with the game on the line in Knoxville. As far as Saban/Kirby their defense has not been the same (til this year and still they gave Ole Miss 43) after JP left. The secondary has been a wreck til this season. And Kirby coached it last year. The fans soon came up with a slogan of third and Kirby.

Look, fans want instant gratification but it doesn't always work that way. Saban came to Alabama and promptly went 7-6 and lost to....LA-Monroe. He went to LSU and lost to...UAB. Coaching is making the most of what you have Dawgs don't have all that much this year, with Jenkins out Floyd would be the only guy who could start at UA on defense. But they will be good in time, good enough to win the SEC if the offense does it's part. With UF losing the QB who else on the schedule is a serious candidate to beat us. At this point I expect Georgia to be in the Atlanta. UF will go down to LSU and we should beat them. I believe the opponent will be one of these schools in this order: (1) LSU (2) A plus M (3) Ole Miss or Bama. Anything can happen in one game but I would say a 10-2 season...L in Atlanta and a W bowl win because this young defense should start growing up. 11-3 with this club is a hell of a year. It could be worse. Bama is on the road at A and M this week after an open week for Aggies to prepare and then home to LSU. They will lose one of those. Say they win the rest and a bowl. That's 11-2. Same number of wins as us. So there you go.

If you honestly think our program is on par with AL, you are seriously delusional. I can't believe that you even wrote this crap. It's guys like you and that kind of thinking that has gotten us into this mediocre mess.

 

[HeulenHund2]

First things first!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn to tackle! It has been a problem on Richt's teams since he arrived. And do not get me started on his teams that seemed to be totally unprepared in many games.

Actually Richt's teams under VanGorder were known as superb tacklers as well as generally excellent on fundamentals defensively. I watched that incrementally reversed under CWM as CVG's players exited the program. Grantham was far better on fundamentals than Martinez, but he wasn't much of a big picture/coordinator.

I can only speak for what I've seen so far from Coach Pruitt's brief tenure. I felt the break downs last year were likely just growing pains, the absolutely great games against Missouri and Auburn showed what he is capable of.

That is why I used the word regressed, I expected to see more of the great efforts, but I haven't seen anywhere near a complete game against a good team yet this season. It's the breakdowns in fundamentals and lack of adjustments that really concern me.

I'm back to needing to see performance to regain faith..it's a tough job, but for 1.3 million a year you expect high level results.

 

[dieharddawg62]

Actually Richt's teams under VanGorder were known as superb tacklers as well as generally excellent on fundamentals defensively. I watched that incrementally reversed under CWM as CVG's players exited the program. Grantham was far better on fundamentals than Martinez, but he wasn't much of a big picture/coordinator.

I can only speak for what I've seen so far from Coach Pruitt's brief tenure. I felt the break downs last year were likely just growing pains, the absolutely great games against Missouri and Auburn showed what he is capable of.

That is why I used the word regressed, I expected to see more of the great efforts, but I haven't seen anywhere near a complete game against a good team yet this season. It's the breakdowns in fundamentals and lack of adjustments that really concern me.

I'm back to needing to see performance to regain faith..it's a tough job, but for 1.3 million a year you expect high level results.

We have a discipline problem. The shaking the bus, smack talking, dancing on the side lines crap, the hot dog look at me behavior is out of hand. Richt is soft. He's like the parents that let their kid run around the restaurant disturbing everyone. Until that is remedied, nothing is going to change. You don't see this crap from good coaches. The players are rotten.

 

[HeulenHund2]

We have a discipline problem. The shaking the bus, smack talking, dancing on the side lines crap, the hot dog look at me behavior is out of hand. Richt is soft. He's like the parents that let their kid run around the restaurant disturbing everyone. Until that is remedied, nothing is going to change. You don't see this crap from good coaches. The players are rotten.

You always embellish, it's also clear you have an agenda, which weakens, not strengthens your influence. We don't have punk behavior on THIS team.

 

[oletex]

Actually Richt's teams under VanGorder were known as superb tacklers as well as generally excellent on fundamentals defensively. I watched that incrementally reversed under CWM as CVG's players exited the program. Grantham was far better on fundamentals than Martinez, but he wasn't much of a big picture/coordinator.

I can only speak for what I've seen so far from Coach Pruitt's brief tenure. I felt the break downs last year were likely just growing pains, the absolutely great games against Missouri and Auburn showed what he is capable of.

That is why I used the word regressed, I expected to see more of the great efforts, but I haven't seen anywhere near a complete game against a good team yet this season. It's the breakdowns in fundamentals and lack of adjustments that really concern me.

I'm back to needing to see performance to regain faith..it's a tough job, but for 1.3 million a year you expect high level results.

Pruitt's teams improved as the year went along last year plus he was blessed with a more veteran team. They started off well this year, tackling well and playing red zone defense like champs. They actually played well against Alabama, holding them an incredibly low 1 of 12 conversions on third down. But he Tide scored about every way possible, blocked punt TD, returned interception TD. The only shaky games has been the UT game with it's obvious post Bama let down and having spent too much emotion and energy the week before. Lots of teams go into a funk the week after Bama. Particularly the young ones. Truth is a team is NEVER going to give a wildly enthusiastic effort each and every week. Never has happened and never will. A team may have 2 absolute maximum efforts each year. A couple of strong ones. About half the time they will play to form and a couple of times they dog. One key is to always win when you get the max effort otherwise you have wasted it. That didn't happen against Bama and then it multiplied into another loss. The schedule was almost perfect this year, easy enough to dream of an undefeated regular season except for the monster in game five. biggest disappointment was the big, strong, veteran OL not giving a better account. Mitchell showed up and the RB's made a big play. BTW, VanGorder has done some good work but he has had some absolute horrible years where it appeared he looked as if he had no clue. They all do at some point.

Finally Pruitt is likely the best overall assistant coach UGA has had in the CMR era. He has been whittled on by some of the absolute elite coaches along the way, His daddy was a high school legend in Alabama and that is some high school football. He was under Boots at Middle. He was under the legendary toughness of Gene Stallings a national championship coach and as good as any coach with X and O's. His position coach was Bill "Brother" Oliver who was a secondary genius and a renowned DC. Then Saban and Jimbo Fisher. But the other side has good coaches and players too and sometimes you just lose. Saban was seriously out coached by Freeze in the third week and stay tuned he may get it again this weekend. At Tx ags.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Pruitt's teams improved as the year went along last year plus he was blessed with a more veteran team. They started off well this year, tackling well and playing red zone defense like champs. They actually played well against Alabama, holding them an incredibly low 1 of 12 conversions on third down. But he Tide scored about every way possible, blocked punt TD, returned interception TD. The only shaky games has been the UT game with it's obvious post Bama let down and having spent too much emotion and energy the week before. Lots of teams go into a funk the week after Bama. Particularly the young ones. Truth is a team is NEVER going to give a wildly enthusiastic effort each and every week. Never has happened and never will. A team may have 2 absolute maximum efforts each year. A couple of strong ones. About half the time they will play to form and a couple of times they dog. One key is to always win when you get the max effort otherwise you have wasted it. That didn't happen against Bama and then it multiplied into another loss. The schedule was almost perfect this year, easy enough to dream of an undefeated regular season except for the monster in game five. biggest disappointment was the big, strong, veteran OL not giving a better account. Mitchell showed up and the RB's made a big play. BTW, VanGorder has done some good work but he has had some absolute horrible years where it appeared he looked as if he had no clue. They all do at some point.

Finally Pruitt is likely the best overall assistant coach UGA has had in the CMR era. He has been whittled on by some of the absolute elite coaches along the way, His daddy was a high school legend in Alabama and that is some high school football. He was under Boots at Middle. He was under the legendary toughness of Gene Stallings a national championship coach and as good as any coach with X and O's. His position coach was Bill "Brother" Oliver who was a secondary genius and a renowned DC. Then Saban and Jimbo Fisher. But the other side has good coaches and players too and sometimes you just lose. Saban was seriously out coached by Freeze in the third week and stay tuned he may get it again this weekend. At Tx ags.

First off, the great coaches have their teams ready to play almost every game. Maybe not their best, but better than most other coaches on their good days.
No, this is a real ongoing flaw in Richt's coaching. I was hoping this would be the year Pruitt would stabilize the defense and We'd get past this 10 year and counting inability to prepare for an entire season.
As for Pruitt, You're giving your opinion for the most part. His production has yet to prove he's a great DC.
Saying he is better than VanGorder was for us is just not true though. VanGorder was far and away the best assistant Richt has had.

 

[oletex]

First off, the great coaches have their teams ready to play almost every game. Maybe not their best, but better than most other coaches on their good days.
No, this is a real ongoing flaw in Richt's coaching. I was hoping this would be the year Pruitt would stabilize the defense and We'd get past this 10 year and counting inability to prepare for an entire season.
As for Pruitt, You're giving your opinion for the most part. His production has yet to prove he's a great DC.
Saying he is better than VanGorder was for us is just not true though. VanGorder was far and away the best assistant Richt has had.

Auburn fans who suffered through a winless SEC season only a couple years after the natty disagree on the journeyman VanGorder. His production there made Ellis Johnson appear genius. Ellis is no genius having been fired about everywhere he has been but he took most of the same confused and demoralized players and voila, Auburn was in the national championship game the first year. He, VG, has done some solid work along the way, bouncing from pillar to post but to say he was far and away the best assistant MR has had is reason enough to get the mob ready to storm Athens, LOL.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Auburn fans who suffered through a winless SEC season only a couple years after the natty disagree on the journeyman VanGorder. His production there made Ellis Johnson appear genius. Ellis is no genius having been fired about everywhere he has been but he took most of the same confused and demoralized players and voila, Auburn was in the national championship game the first year. He, VG, has done some solid work along the way, bouncing from pillar to post but to say he was far and away the best assistant MR has had is reason enough to get the mob ready to storm Athens, LOL.

It's strange to look at a coach's record elsewhere when We have a 4 year record right here. CVG surrendered as much as 30 pts once, 31 pts to that year's national champion LSU team on the road. Pruitt has surrendered as much as 30 pts 8 out of the 19 games he's coached here.

Also contrary to claims, CVG had several top 10 defenses in The NFL and he went 2 seasons only giving up 30 pts once.

I'm hoping Pruitt proves himself to be a great DC, but he has a lot of proving left before he can make that claim in Athens.

 

[oletex]

It's strange to look at a coach's record elsewhere when We have a 4 year record right here. CVG surrendered as much as 30 pts once, 31 pts to that year's national champion LSU team on the road. Pruitt has surrendered as much as 30 pts 8 out of the 19 games he's coached here.

Also contrary to claims, CVG had several top 10 defenses in The NFL and he went 2 seasons only giving up 30 pts once.

I'm hoping Pruitt proves himself to be a great DC, but he has a lot of proving left before he can make that claim in Athens.

The stat on defense that matters is stopping the other team from scoring and BVG, as I said did some solid work....at times. He finished in the top 10 in scoring defense once. The other times he was 11th to 18th under a defensive minded coach in Mike Smith. He had two head coaching jobs, one at Wayne St in an obscure conference and couldn't win there. Took the head coaching job @ power Georgia Southern and promptly ran that thing a ground with a pitiful 3-8 season. I personally wish he had somehow hung on at Auburn as he coached them to an all time stinker. 3-9 for a defensive minded head coach. I happened to go to a game that year since my friend was an Auburn alum, The Iron Bowl. We left at half as Auburn was behind 42-0 as I recall. Scored the first 6 times they had the ball then went to the backup QB and second team in the second QTR. The stadium was empty at half.

The guy must be a solid coach for he has managed to get jobs in spite of his dismal records at times. But hey I'll tell you what is strange the guy has been coaching, what 25 or 30 years and you want to block out all but 4 ?????? Don't get your feelings hurt or get mad and want to fight but I think you have a few nips then post. BVG has been a solid coach at times. And maybe better than that on rare occasions. But he has stunk it up at times as well. That is why he is a journeyman. At least he has managed to make a living doing what he likes to do. I think football is very important in your life and you want to blame someone for you hurt feelings, like you maybe do with other matters so J Pruitt is handy. Even though it is the experienced and touted offense that has really failed to deliver based upon the expectations.

 

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The stat on defense that matters is stopping the other team from scoring and BVG, as I said did some solid work....at times. He finished in the top 10 in scoring defense once. The other times he was 11th to 18th under a defensive minded coach in Mike Smith. He had two head coaching jobs, one at Wayne St in an obscure conference and couldn't win there. Took the head coaching job @ power Georgia Southern and promptly ran that thing a ground with a pitiful 3-8 season. I personally wish he had somehow hung on at Auburn as he coached them to an all time stinker. 3-9 for a defensive minded head coach. I happened to go to a game that year since my friend was an Auburn alum, The Iron Bowl. We left at half as Auburn was behind 42-0 as I recall. Scored the first 6 times they had the ball then went to the backup QB and second team in the second QTR. The stadium was empty at half.

The guy must be a solid coach for he has managed to get jobs in spite of his dismal records at times. But hey I'll tell you what is strange the guy has been coaching, what 25 or 30 years and you want to block out all but 4 ?????? Don't get your feelings hurt or get mad and want to fight but I think you have a few nips then post. BVG has been a solid coach at times. And maybe better than that on rare occasions. But he has stunk it up at times as well. That is why he is a journeyman. At least he has managed to make a living doing what he likes to do. I think football is very important in your life and you want to blame someone for you hurt feelings, like you maybe do with other matters so J Pruitt is handy. Even though it is the experienced and touted offense that has really failed to deliver based upon the expectations.

You can't discount his results at UGA because of things that happened elsewhere.
You also can't look at a coach's record as HC and discount their record as a coordinator.
Some of the greatest coordinators ever were bad HCs.
Marion Campbell
Dan Henning
Norm Van Brocklin, and those are just 3 who were HCs for The Falcons.

No other DC in modern history of UGA football can come close to VanGorder's defensive stats, or his W-L record for that matter.