Why is an MLK statue or naming of road

[PotimusWillie]

The liberal method of righting a perceived wrong?

We have MLK roads all over the country. We have a national monument. We have a national holiday.

Why would anyone even think about putting an MLK statue on Stone Mountain?

If you want to talk about the issue of a Confederate memorial, let's talk about that. But that is a different discussion.

If we want racial relations to be wholesome, stop revising history. Stop using MLK as the magic sticker you post on anything to try and show white people that they are bad or wrong.

Just move on. Or it never gets better.

 

[ZosoDawg]

The liberal method of righting a perceived wrong?

We have MLK roads all over the country. We have a national monument. We have a national holiday.

Why would anyone even think about putting an MLK statue on Stone Mountain?

If you want to talk about the issue of a Confederate memorial, let's talk about that. But that is a different discussion.

If we want racial relations to be wholesome, stop revising history. Stop using MLK as the magic sticker you post on anything to try and show white people that they are bad or wrong.

Just move on. Or it never gets better.

The irony is that if you go into any city in America and drive down MLK Avenue/Pkwy/Dr you are probably in one of the worst parts of town. Nice job of maintaining his legacy. I'm sure Dr King would be proud.

 

[dieharddawg62]

If you want to buy crack in a city that you don't know anyone, you always go to MLK. It's works every time.

Don't ask me how I know that, but it's true.

 

[HeulenHund2]

The liberal method of righting a perceived wrong?

We have MLK roads all over the country. We have a national monument. We have a national holiday.

Why would anyone even think about putting an MLK statue on Stone Mountain?

If you want to talk about the issue of a Confederate memorial, let's talk about that. But that is a different discussion.

If we want racial relations to be wholesome, stop revising history. Stop using MLK as the magic sticker you post on anything to try and show white people that they are bad or wrong.

Just move on. Or it never gets better.

The question you and others should ask is, why does it bother you that MLK is honored in these ways ? In this case, it says a lot about what you're really like.

 

[FeralDawg]

Helen,
RE-read his post. I don't think he's bothered that he's honored. I think he's saying it's almost knee-jerk
to auto re-name to heal an imagined slight. It's a sad form of lip service rather than truly FIX any problem
that may exist between members of a community.
It doesn't say that the poster 'really like' anything other than posing a reasonable question.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Hercules,
RE-read his post. I don't think he's bothered that he's honored. I think he's saying it's almost knee-jerk
to auto re-name to heal an imagined slight. It's a sad form of lip service rather than truly FIX any problem
that may exist between members of a community.
It doesn't say that the poster 'really like' anything other than posing a reasonable question.

I see what is posted, more important, I see what is posted over and over. You might fool a fool, but I'm no fool. Tell me you don't see a pattern here.

 

[FeralDawg]

Can YOU see the patterns? That's what he's asking. Feel bad, knee-jerk. Feel bad, knee-jerk.

Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. Don't just automatically assume. Give peace a chance, Helen.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Can YOU see the patterns? That's what he's asking. Feel bad, knee-jerk. Feel bad, knee-jerk.

Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. Don't just automatically assume. Give peace a chance, Helen.

I see a pattern of either me or The OP starting MANY political threads, all of them have the same slant. Since I've never started a political thread that narrows it down.
It's hard to convince open minded people you don't post with an agenda when you constantly post whatever you can think of against a group of people.

 

[FeralDawg]

I see. But he could be correct on what he posted, if you divorce yourself from who posted it, right?
I feel that way sometimes with what I read on here sometimes.
When I see token gestures like what he mentioned I think "How hollow" of the people who could make a difference to choose an empty gesture like a road name to simply silence a people (Native Americans,
African Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans, etc) rather than helping them off the plantation, reservation, projects, etc.
So that's how I took his post. And in that I agree.

 

[HeulenHund2]

I see. But he could be correct on what he posted, if you divorce yourself from who posted it, right?
I feel that way sometimes with what I read on here sometimes.
When I see token gestures like what he mentioned I think "How hollow" of the people who could make a difference to choose an empty gesture like a road name to simply silence a people (Native Americans,
African Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans, etc) rather than helping them off the plantation, reservation, projects, etc.
So that's how I took his post. And in that I agree.

No, he's not correct, I just think it's worth noting the broad attitudes of people who constantly wage culture wars of their own making.
As far as I'm concerned, don't start no political threads, wont be no political threads. I'm not wanting to bar anybody from starting pretty much any thread they please, I please to start football threads. Just don't act like it's somebody on the other side that keeps this stuff going. I will however put my 2 cents in if others choose to post these things.

 

[PotimusWillie]

If you want to buy crack in a city that you don't know anyone, you always go to MLK. It's works every time.

Don't ask me how I know that, but it's true.

How do you know that....... OK, sorry

 

[HeulenHund2]

How do you know that....... OK, sorry

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[PotimusWillie]

The question you and others should ask is, why does it bother you that MLK is honored in these ways ? In this case, it says a lot about what you're really like.

It doesn't bother me that he is honored at all. We should honor him.

And we have.

Over and over and over and over. He has become an imogie, used to paste over white history. Which wasn't his intent.

What says a lot about you is why you would think that a statue of him is appropriate on top of a mountain, in a park, that honors those who died in the Civil War?

Unless you are trying to erase history and heritage, you wouldn't do it. Unless you are looking to incite racial discord, you wouldn't.

What if Christians, which MLK was, wanted to remove his statue with one of Christ. Even if you don't believe him to be God, he was a good man, with strong principles taught. MLK quoted him, prayed to him and gave his life to him. Why wouldn't we put a statue up instead of MLK? MLK worshiped Christ.

I jest. The appropriateness of even thinking of putting a statue of MLK on a park memorial honoring heritage is ridiculous.

So unless we want to worship at the altar of MLK, there are enough statues, memorials and roads honoring him. We get it.

Which is my point, my attention deficit friend. Placing a statue of him on that mountain serves no purpose other than oneupsmanship.

 

[dieharddawg62]

How do you know that....... OK, sorry

Sober off that poison for 5 and a half years.

 

[PotimusWillie]

I see what is posted, more important, I see what is posted over and over. You might fool a fool, but I'm no fool. Tell me you don't see a pattern here.

Just exactly what is your pattern Heulen? Since I have a pattern in my posts, what is yours.

I say blue, you say red. I say orange and you say white.

I have said I fully understand we should honor MLK. But you give no response other than to point out a pattern. You assume a prejudice, but I see an agenda.

If I am against ILLEGAL immigration, I am racist
If I am against legal same sex marriage, I am racist
If I am against abortion, I am racist
If I want only live registered voters to vote, I am racist
If I want lower taxes, I am racist
If I don't want a socialist economy, I am racist
If I want to legally own a gun, I am racist
If I honor police officers, I am racist
If I want to pray at a ballgame, I am racist
If I want to honor my heritage, I am racist

So you seem to be agenda heavy there big guy.

I am a white guy, middle 50's, who grew up in a town that was safe and gentile. I grew up in Atlanta in the late 50's and early 60's. I have gay friends. I have african american friends. I have Muslim friends. I have defended all in the face of racial and social bigotry. My children have multi racial friends and we don't apologize about anything. I don't have a racist bone in my body, but I tired of being held in contempt because I am white.

But I will not abandon my southern heritage. All societies make mistakes and judgements that are era related. Those blamed usually aren't the problem, but are part of the perpetuation of the problem. I don't apologize for something I didn't do. I was born after slavery, as were you. I was given the opportunity for an education, as were you. I was given the choice to make my own decisions, as were you. I was given the choice to blame my parents for my lot in life, or make my own life.

We were both given the right to achieve happiness, but not given the promise of happiness. We were given the right of freedom of opinion, but not given the right to force opinion on others. I was given the right to love or hate, as were you.

Should the african continent be held in contempt for selling its own into slavery or should the white american purchaser be the sole evil entity in this abomination?

It is far more convenient to ignore facts and just condemn and remove.

So, saying all that, I will get some coded reply saying that I am some kind of Christian, neo-conservative hatemonger I guess. You won't discuss an issue. A single issue from a conservative is discounted into the abyss of political agenda.

Stone Mountain? Honoring the fallen soilders of the Confederate aremies? What is the problem with that?

The south had few prisons and little crime. The south was pristine. The north was ripe with crime and had full prisons, but south was an awful place. Can't apologize for my heritage.

You see the pattern here? I do.

 

[HeulenHund2]

It doesn't bother me that he is honored at all. We should honor him.

And we have.

Over and over and over and over. He has become an imogie, used to paste over white history. Which wasn't his intent.

What says a lot about you is why you would think that a statue of him is appropriate on top of a mountain, in a park, that honors those who died in the Civil War?

Unless you are trying to erase history and heritage, you wouldn't do it. Unless you are looking to incite racial discord, you wouldn't.

What if Christians, which MLK was, wanted to remove his statue with one of Christ. Even if you don't believe him to be God, he was a good man, with strong principles taught. MLK quoted him, prayed to him and gave his life to him. Why wouldn't we put a statue up instead of MLK? MLK worshiped Christ.

I jest. The appropriateness of even thinking of putting a statue of MLK on a park memorial honoring heritage is ridiculous.

So unless we want to worship at the altar of MLK, there are enough statues, memorials and roads honoring him. We get it.

Which is my point, my attention deficit friend. Placing a statue of him on that mountain serves no purpose other than oneupsmanship.

I'm sorry, but all of your threads are some angle on what you seem to consider the wrong side of a culture war.
The only conclusion I can come to is you LOOK for anything to put the ''other side'' in a bad light.

If your point had been a statue on top of Stone Mountain would be ugly, I would have agreed. That isn't how your mind works though is it. Your thinking went to general insults of ''liberals'' as most all of your postings do.

 

[HeulenHund2]

It doesn't bother me that he is honored at all. We should honor him.

And we have.

Over and over and over and over. He has become an imogie, used to paste over white history. Which wasn't his intent.

What says a lot about you is why you would think that a statue of him is appropriate on top of a mountain, in a park, that honors those who died in the Civil War?

Unless you are trying to erase history and heritage, you wouldn't do it. Unless you are looking to incite racial discord, you wouldn't.

What if Christians, which MLK was, wanted to remove his statue with one of Christ. Even if you don't believe him to be God, he was a good man, with strong principles taught. MLK quoted him, prayed to him and gave his life to him. Why wouldn't we put a statue up instead of MLK? MLK worshiped Christ.

I jest. The appropriateness of even thinking of putting a statue of MLK on a park memorial honoring heritage is ridiculous.

So unless we want to worship at the altar of MLK, there are enough statues, memorials and roads honoring him. We get it.

Which is my point, my attention deficit friend. Placing a statue of him on that mountain serves no purpose other than oneupsmanship.

I'm sorry, but all of your threads are some angle on what you seem to consider the wrong side of a culture war.
The only conclusion I can come to is you LOOK for anything to put the ''other side'' in a bad light.

If your point had been a statue on top of Stone Mountain would be ugly, I would have agreed. That isn't how your mind works though is it. Your thinking went to general insults of ''liberals'' as most all of your postings do.

 

[CountryClubDawg]

MLK should be honored, and he is. But when is it enough?

I understand American Blacks seek/need heroes to honor, and I agree it's important to their culture and Identification. It's just a shame there aren't more in the mold of MLK, a great man imo. It's a shame what the American Blacks have today as their "leaders". For example, I'm pretty sure there won't be many Jeremiah Wright Blvd, Jesse Jackson Ln, or Rev Al Sharpton St. going up any time soon.

Here is a Young Black Southern American with great Potential, and I look forward to watching his career: CJ Pearson:

 

[HeulenHund2]

MLK should be honored, and he is. But when is it enough?

I understand American Blacks seek/need heroes to honor, and I agree it's important to their culture and Identification. It's just a shame there aren't more in the mold of MLK, a great man imo. It's a shame what the American Blacks have today as their "leaders". For example, I'm pretty sure there won't be many Jeremiah Wright Blvd, Jesse Jackson Ln, or Rev Al Sharpton St. going up any time soon.

Here is a Young Black Southern American with great Potential, and I look forward to watching his career: CJ Pearson:

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Work them angles dude, well done, but it's wasted on me. So all of today's blacks are bad but this kid is a future leader because he shares your view of The POTUS. Too smooth.

 

[CountryClubDawg]

Work them angles dude, well done, but it's wasted on me. So all of today's blacks are bad but this kid is a future leader because he shares your view of The POTUS. Too smooth.

Thank you, I agree, It was done well. You could have "liked" my post. I'm disappointed in you again, Heulen.
However, your description of my comments wasn't done well. I never said "all blacks are bad", just several in the black "leadership" role. They are definitely not in the same mold as MLK, can you at least admit that? I suspect you won't.

If I were a young Black American growing up today these are some of the great Americans I would be looking up to:
Alveda King
Sheriff David A. Clarke
Colin Powell
Herman Cain
JC Watts
Alan Keys
Lynn Swan
Condoleezza Rice
Clarence Thomas
Tony Dungy
Thomas Sowell
Michael Steele
Peter Boulware
Etc.

 

[StoneColdKillerDawg]

I've got an idea! We should put up a statue of Georgia Tech great John Heisman in front of the Butts Mehre Building. His name alone is such a big part of the college football culture, it's only fitting we have a statue of him on our campus!

 

[Atlanta Cock]

The question you and others should ask is, why does it bother you that MLK is honored in these ways ? In this case, it says a lot about what you're really like.

It doesn't bother me so much as it doesn't make sense. I can't stand the guy, but at least Obama became POTUS. You can't say MLK deserves more recognition than Obama, but there's no way there will be the number of memorials for Obama than there are for MLK.

An argument could be made that Jonas Salk did far more for mankind than did MLK, but I don't see memorials for him.

To me the Stone Mountain issue is too manufactured. There is already a King Memorial in downtown ATL. There are already roads all over North GA named for MLK. Did MLK ever do anything memorable or historical at Stone Mountain?

 

[PotimusWillie]

I'm sorry, but all of your threads are some angle on what you seem to consider the wrong side of a culture war.
The only conclusion I can come to is you LOOK for anything to put the ''other side'' in a bad light.

If your point had been a statue on top of Stone Mountain would be ugly, I would have agreed. That isn't how your mind works though is it. Your thinking went to general insults of ''liberals'' as most all of your postings do.

The statue ugly? No, it just makes no sense.

.

 

[Fivehade]

The liberal method of righting a perceived wrong?

We have MLK roads all over the country. We have a national monument. We have a national holiday.

Why would anyone even think about putting an MLK statue on Stone Mountain?

If you want to talk about the issue of a Confederate memorial, let's talk about that. But that is a different discussion.

If we want racial relations to be wholesome, stop revising history. Stop using MLK as the magic sticker you post on anything to try and show white people that they are bad or wrong.

Just move on. Or it never gets better.

Black murdered pastor, that promoted peaceful and resolute resistance to oppression .....placed physically and symbolically above those learned white men that fought to keep black people enslaved

Think about it a little harder .... Then think also about the % black population in same place

....and you don't do yourself any credit trying to segment the discussion into bits that you already agree with.... The CSA portion is inseparable from the point. It's key to it, else it's just a big rock

 

[PotimusWillie]

Black murdered pastor, that promoted peaceful and resolute resistance to oppression .....placed physically and symbolically above those learned white men that fought to keep black people enslaved

Think about it a little harder .... Then think also about the % black population in same place

....and you don't do yourself any credit trying to segment the discussion into bits that you already agree with.... The CSA portion is inseparable from the point. It's key to it, else it's just a big rock

Oh revisionist. Men didn't fight to keep blacks enslaved. Men fought because the north was collapsing their economy and destroying their sovereign rights. If there was a way to replace slavery with a competitive option, it would have been done.


The slaves weren't brought over to the states because whites hated them and wanted to enslave them. They were brought over as machines, marketed by and sold by Africans for money.

Why not require a statue of MLK be placed in the front yard of every white homeowner? That will make things better. Is that what you want?

Should there be a statue of a white guy placed at the homesteads of those families killed by NatTurner?

Reparation mentality will suck the life out of racial relations. The politicians know thjs.

 

[Fivehade]

Oh revisionist. Men didn't fight to keep blacks enslaved. Men fought because the north was collapsing their economy and destroying their sovereign rights. If there was a way to replace slavery with a competitive option, it would have been done.


The slaves weren't brought over to the states because whites hated them and wanted to enslave them. They were brought over as machines, marketed by and sold by Africans for money.

Why not require a statue of MLK be placed in the front yard of every white homeowner? That will make things better. Is that what you want?

Should there be a statue of a white guy placed at the homesteads of those families killed by NatTurner?

Reparation mentality will suck the life out of racial relations. The politicians know thjs.

sounds like you don't want to believe the answer .... you should work on that, because truth is truth, brother man

 

[PotimusWillie]

sounds like you don't want to believe the answer .... you should work on that, because truth is truth, brother man

I give examples of my point. You just say I am wrong. Is that all you got? Tell me the truth instead of just saying I am wrong.

Read original texts from the day instead of historical revision. You might learn something.

Slavery was not established as a racial issue. Why would so much money be spent to purchase slaves?

You tell me. Why were slaves bought by Americans? Why was the first black slave in the states purchased by a black Angolan man? Did he hate black people and just wanted to spend his money to enslave the black race? Or did he need cheap labor to compete economically?

Talk to me haide. Add something to the debate other than just a shout down.

 

[Fivehade]

I give examples of my point. You just say I am wrong. Is that all you got? Tell me the truth instead of just saying I am wrong.

Read original texts from the day instead of historical revision. You might learn something.

Slavery was not established as a racial issue. Why would so much money be spent to purchase slaves?

You tell me. Why were slaves bought by Americans? Why was the first black slave in the states purchased by a black Angolan man? Did he hate black people and just wanted to spend his money to enslave the black race? Or did he need cheap labor to compete economically?

Talk to me haide. Add something to the debate other than just a shout down.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, pal. yip yap all you want and attempt to revise history all you want....keep on not getting it.

 

[PotimusWillie]

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, pal. yip yap all you want and attempt to revise history all you want....keep on not getting it.

OK

 

[Fivehade]

OK

ain't my fault you don't like to hear truth

 

[PotimusWillie]

ain't my fault you don't like to hear truth

OK

 

[Fivehade]

OK

yep