with the strictest gun laws in the country,

[ZosoDawg]

Chicago has over 2300 shootings so far this year. An average of 1 shooting every 2.8 hours. This is even more frequent than every 3.3 hours that Chicago averaged last year. How many of the perps that committed these crimes do you think had these guns registered or had a background check done? My guess would be between zero and 1%

 

[d-dawg]

Chicago has over 2300 murders so far this year. An average of 1 murder every 2.8 hours. This is even more frequent than every 3.3 hours that Chicago averaged last year. How many of the perps that committed these crimes do you think had these guns registered or had a background check done? My guess would be between zero and 1%

Thugs from all over the country are hoping for tighter gun laws. It will make their "jobs" so much easier.

 

[jenkinscreekdawg]

Chicago has over 2300 murders so far this year. An average of 1 murder every 2.8 hours. This is even more frequent than every 3.3 hours that Chicago averaged last year. How many of the perps that committed these crimes do you think had these guns registered or had a background check done? My guess would be between zero and 1%

CRICKETS from the liberals on this statistic ! this doesn't fit their agenda, listen to them and you would think tougher laws would make a difference , it doesn't get much tougher than chicago .

 

[Fivehade]

Chicago has over 2300 murders so far this year. An average of 1 murder every 2.8 hours. This is even more frequent than every 3.3 hours that Chicago averaged last year. How many of the perps that committed these crimes do you think had these guns registered or had a background check done? My guess would be between zero and 1%

It's because of lax gun laws in Indiana and Wisconsin

 

[HeulenHund2]

CRICKETS from the liberals on this statistic ! this doesn't fit their agenda, listen to them and you would think tougher laws would make a difference , it doesn't get much tougher than chicago .

The number of murders in Chicago this year is 400, but don't let facts get in the way of a bad point.
Local gun laws are useless when any punk can drive south and buy all the guns he can haul back without accountability, thanks again NRA.

 

[HeulenHund2]

It's because of lax gun laws in Indiana and Wisconsin

They know, it doesn't fit their agenda though.

 

[oletex]

The number of murders in Chicago this year is 400, but don't let facts get in the way of a bad point.
Local gun laws are useless when any punk can drive south and buy all the guns he can haul back without accountability, thanks again NRA.

Actually their have been 2,360 shooting victims in Chicago so far this year. Some died, some didn't. Same as Vietnam, Korea, not all shooting victims die. In many of the shootings both or many of the shooters are under fire themselves so their aim is not so good. I would imagine in almost all shootouts and ambushes there is actually no one hit. So I guess we can give a tip of the hat to the NRA for that as well since you appear to be blaming the NRA for something or another here. Punks? Blame the NRA. All guns that come from south of Chicago? NRA is running guns again. Ban all guns so that includes defensive weapons and the Mexicans and Cuban and South American gun running business would be astronomical. That would also signal a return to American mob days with gun sales the big money maker, military guys selling arms and lord knows what else. Bootleg gun producers would get rich including making them with computers. Everyone would try to move to Nebraska or the western states. Likely assaults on homeowners would sky rocket so it would be unsafe to live anywhere near certain populated areas. I can't imagine not being able to defend my family. Therefore everyone would be a criminal since any sane person would be armed.

Here are some guesses of mine since your post is based upon them:

I have read and heard that only less than 1 in 8 small arms actions in Vietnam produced a casualty. And only about 1 in 7 to 800 rounds fired actually hit anyone. That is small arms, no arty. So if the aim is similar in Chicago and that guesstimate is anywhere near accurate then you have had an astounding number of weapons discharges with intent to inflict bodily harm in Chicagoland through Oct 6th. It's hard to hit a man who doesn't want to be hit.

Further you anti-family protection nuts and anti-hunter hot heads are not going to win this fight. Simply because the consequences of your zany political zeal would be chaotic. Worse than your destroy the black family to save black society Democrat plan has played out. And that's not the point anyway. Your point is the same as always is. An irrational attempt to score political points based upon a tragedy. Ignoring reality. This is not Sweden. Get out and drive around and see for yourself.

 

[PotimusWillie]

It's because of lax gun laws in Indiana and Wisconsin

Which proves the conservatives view on guns. They wi always find a way into the hands of someone who wants to do bad things.

The citizens have the right to self preservation. We also have the right to be armed against government tyranny.

 

[CountryClubDawg]

Which proves the conservatives view on guns. They will always find a way into the hands of someone who wants to do bad things.

The citizens have the right to self preservation. We also have the right to be armed against government tyranny.

The Founding Fathers distrusted a centralized government to the extent of wanting a militia to stand against it, out of which came the 2nd Amendment. The existence of a militia served as a check against a standing army, and allowed states to protect themselves from a tyrannical centralized government. Liberals don’t even understand what a standing militia even means, yet they speak out against them without even understanding the Founding Fathers intentions for having them in the first place. The Founders, Framers, and Ratifiers of the Constitution were all united in their view that the people needed to be well armed, not for hunting, but for self-defense because they knew the dangers of a police state.

Liberal calls to disarm the citizenry and a big centralized government is the exact reason we have a Constitution. Thank you for proving us Conservatives and Constitutionalist right once again, Libs.

History of the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/89vand.pdf

 

[HeulenHund2]

Actually their have been 2,360 shooting victims in Chicago so far this year. Some died, some didn't. Same as Vietnam, Korea, not all shooting victims die. In many of the shootings both or many of the shooters are under fire themselves so their aim is not so good. I would imagine in almost all shootouts and ambushes there is actually no one hit. So I guess we can give a tip of the hat to the NRA for that as well since you appear to be blaming the NRA for something or another here. Punks? Blame the NRA. All guns that come from south of Chicago? NRA is running guns again. Ban all guns so that includes defensive weapons and the Mexicans and Cuban and South American gun running business would be astronomical. That would also signal a return to American mob days with gun sales the big money maker, military guys selling arms and lord knows what else. Bootleg gun producers would get rich including making them with computers. Everyone would try to move to Nebraska or the western states. Likely assaults on homeowners would sky rocket so it would be unsafe to live anywhere near certain populated areas. I can't imagine not being able to defend my family. Therefore everyone would be a criminal since any sane person would be armed.

Here are some guesses of mine since your post is based upon them:

I have read and heard that only less than 1 in 8 small arms actions in Vietnam produced a casualty. And only about 1 in 7 to 800 rounds fired actually hit anyone. That is small arms, no arty. So if the aim is similar in Chicago and that guesstimate is anywhere near accurate then you have had an astounding number of weapons discharges with intent to inflict bodily harm in Chicagoland through Oct 6th. It's hard to hit a man who doesn't want to be hit.

Further you anti-family protection nuts and anti-hunter hot heads are not going to win this fight. Simply because the consequences of your zany political zeal would be chaotic. Worse than your destroy the black family to save black society Democrat plan has played out. And that's not the point anyway. Your point is the same as always is. An irrational attempt to score political points based upon a tragedy. Ignoring reality. This is not Sweden. Get out and drive around and see for yourself.

That's a long winded way of saying The OP was wrong, perhaps intentionally, perhaps not.
Your childish name calling and misinformation only proves You have a warped agenda.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Which proves the conservatives view on guns. They wi always find a way into the hands of someone who wants to do bad things.

The citizens have the right to self preservation. We also have the right to be armed against government tyranny.

No it doesn't prove the ''conservatives view on guns'', far, FAR from it. It proves these laws have to be nationwide to be effective. If a gun runner can buy at will in Georgia and sell for a huge profit in Chicago, it just creates another violent underground industry. I'm not claiming this would stop the violence in Chicago, it would simply be a needed improvement in the way gun sales are managed.

 

[jenkinscreekdawg]

The number of murders in Chicago this year is 400, but don't let facts get in the way of a bad point.
Local gun laws are useless when any punk can drive south and buy all the guns he can haul back without accountability, thanks again NRA.

you got google going again, alright ! i'm sure you don't have to drive very far in chicago to get a weapon of any description . oh, i don't think the NRA had anything to do with writing the constitution , just supporting it .

 

[jenkinscreekdawg]

That's a long winded way of saying The OP was wrong, perhaps intentionally, perhaps not.
Your childish name calling and misinformation only proves You have a warped agenda.

i'm sure you are aware that people like bloomberg , calling for stricter laws, don't include themselves in the application of the laws . it will be like obamacare,they said it's good for us ; but congress exempted themselves ! what a crock .

 

[Rolodawg2011]

It's because of lax gun laws in Indiana and Wisconsin

LOL WTF? How the hell does Indiana and Wisconsin have anything to do with Chicago ??

 

[Rolodawg2011]

The number of murders in Chicago this year is 400, but don't let facts get in the way of a bad point.
Local gun laws are useless when any punk can drive south and buy all the guns he can haul back without accountability, thanks again NRA.

Well then why isn't the crime as high in the place the thug drove to to get his gun? LOL Dumbass

 

[Rolodawg2011]

No it doesn't prove the ''conservatives view on guns'', far, FAR from it. It proves these laws have to be nationwide to be effective. If a gun runner can buy at will in Georgia and sell for a huge profit in Chicago, it just creates another violent underground industry. I'm not claiming this would stop the violence in Chicago, it would simply be a needed improvement in the way gun sales are managed.

Yea that's how it happens. Some brother drives from Chicago to buy a gun the drives back to commit a crime. How fcking stupid are you ppl? Like I asked before. Why isn't crime as high where the thug bought the gun?

 

[HeulenHund2]

you got google going again, alright ! i'm sure you don't have to drive very far in chicago to get a weapon of any description . oh, i don't think the NRA had anything to do with writing the constitution , just supporting it .

You're stuck on The Google thing, If you think that's bad, I've also been known to read BOOKS ! how ignorant is that ?
As for The Constitution. I'm sure the wiser of our founders would have had the good sense to approve of universal background checks and keeping guns out of the hands of dangerously mentally ill people. Even your masters at The NRA agreed on those points till taken over by the gun manufacturers' lobby. Don't let that get in the way of your lame parroting of NRA propaganda though.
If you ever have a thought of your own I'd like to read it.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Well then why isn't the crime as high in the place the thug drove to to get his gun? LOL Dumbass

Yes, you are a dumbass, that's why your grasp is so limited.

 

[HeulenHund2]

LOL WTF? How the hell does Indiana and Wisconsin have anything to do with Chicago ??

Did you just wake up in a new world and read one post ? I believe that ground has been covered here.

 

[HeulenHund2]

i'm sure you are aware that people like bloomberg , calling for stricter laws, don't include themselves in the application of the laws . it will be like obamacare,they said it's good for us ; but congress exempted themselves ! what a crock .

Are you suggesting Bloomberg is dangerously mentally ill or/and wants to buy guns without a background check ? This thread is about basic common sense measures to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. I see the paranoid propaganda that if you go along with common sense measures, Obama and Bloomberg will trick you into handing over your deer rifles.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Yea that's how it happens. Some brother drives from Chicago to buy a gun the drives back to commit a crime. How fcking stupid are you ppl? Like I asked before. Why isn't crime as high where the thug bought the gun?

Man, you have no idea of how limited you are.

 

[Rolodawg2011]

Man, you have no idea of how limited you are.

Sez the guy that spouts of BS he's heard from dumbass liberals. But being a liberal doesn't require thought.

 

[Rolodawg2011]

Yes, you are a dumbass, that's why your grasp is so limited.

LOL yea its the guns that cause the problems in Chicago, but they don't cause problems where you CLAIM (read STUPID BULLSHIT) they came from. You that makes sense....if you're a moron

 

[HeulenHund2]

Sez the guy that spouts of BS he's heard from dumbass liberals. But being a liberal doesn't require thought.

You're a parrot, and a lazy one at that.
Chicago isn't even in the top 30 cities in murder RATES. I get that is a little harder for some to comprehend than simple counting.
Though Chicago isn't top 30, or even top 100 on many list, Gary Indiana is #3 and East Chicago Indiana is listed as high as #2 on some list. They are Chicago suburbs with more lenient gun laws.
More to the point is this, laws have to be boarder in geography and effectively punitive. Boston burns offenders and it's effective. Chicago typically hands out 6 month sentences for possession of an illegal gun and the perp usually serves a fraction of that. A gun runner caught with 43 guns clearly intended for crime was recently sentenced to 3 years, he'll serve far less than that.
The only way to be very effective is to keep excellent records of gun sales, limit the numbers that can be bought in a period of time and make inter-state commerce of weapons by non-licensed people a federal felony.

 

[oletex]

LOL Helen. You make a huge contribution here. Your posts are like stinkbait to a hungry catfish. I feel like taking a shower after I respond to one. Why I do it is the question of the day. You simply regurgitate the same laughable non-sense daily. If buying a gun depends on passing certain cognitive standards you're likely not going to qualify. So I guess you'll be needing YOUR MOM to do the straw purchase thingy.

 

[HeulenHund2]

LOL Helen. You make a huge contribution here. Your posts are like stinkbait to a hungry catfish. I feel like taking a shower after I respond to one. Why I do it is the question of the day. You simply regurgitate the same laughable non-sense daily. If buying a gun depends on passing certain cognitive standards you're likely not going to qualify. So I guess you'll be needing YOUR MOM to do the straw purchase thingy.

I post more real material in an average day than You have in the few months I've been here.
I know it bothers some of you that you can't just post whatever trash You read on your far right nut case sites that day and not have them exposed. Tough chit bubba. Somebody needs to counter the constant barrage of nonsense some of you post.

 

[ZosoDawg]

You're a parrot, and a lazy one at that.
Chicago isn't even in the top 30 cities in murder RATES. I get that is a little harder for some to comprehend than simple counting.
Though Chicago isn't top 30, or even top 100 on many list, Gary Indiana is #3 and East Chicago Indiana is listed as high as #2 on some list. They are Chicago suburbs with more lenient gun laws.
More to the point is this, laws have to be boarder in geography and effectively punitive. Boston burns offenders and it's effective. Chicago typically hands out 6 month sentences for possession of an illegal gun and the perp usually serves a fraction of that. A gun runner caught with 43 guns clearly intended for crime was recently sentenced to 3 years, he'll serve far less than that.
The only way to be very effective is to keep excellent records of gun sales, limit the numbers that can be bought in a period of time and make inter-state commerce of weapons by non-licensed people a federal felony.

"The only way to be very effective is to keep excellent records of gun sales, limit the numbers that can be bought in a period of time and make inter-state commerce of weapons by non-licensed people a federal felony."

Again, criminals are not going to be registering their guns or purchasing them through legit channels. No different than during Prohibition. All that did was create an underground market for liquor. And guess who was running that? Criminals. So see, the law abiding citizens got screwed, and it was business as usual for the crooks.

So you see, we don't need laws that punish the law abiding citizens, we need to deal with the criminal element. Mandatory jail sentences would be a great place to start.

 

[HeulenHund2]

"The only way to be very effective is to keep excellent records of gun sales, limit the numbers that can be bought in a period of time and make inter-state commerce of weapons by non-licensed people a federal felony."

Again, criminals are not going to be registering their guns or purchasing them through legit channels. No different than during Prohibition. All that did was create an underground market for liquor. And guess who was running that? Criminals. So see, the law abiding criminals got screwed, and it was business as usual for the crooks.

So you see, we don't need laws that punish the law abiding citizens, we need to deal with the criminal element. Mandatory jail sentences would be a great place to start.

Guns have to hit the black market at some point. They're not like dope that can be grown and processed by shoeless natives.
Nobody with half a brain thinks these changes will end gun violence anymore than laws stop banks from being robbed.
There are common sense changes that can be made without taking guns from honest citizens, We need to have open minded conversations, but The NRA has coached citizens and bought law makers to the point there has to be a revolt by gun owners for any changes to occur. A gun safety organization came out in favor of consideration of some changes just yesterday. There is a small amount of hope, but it'll take some honest lawmakers and those are in short supply.

PS. I appreciate your post, you made your points in a decent manner.

 

[Fivehade]

Yea that's how it happens. Some brother drives from Chicago to buy a gun the drives back to commit a crime. How fcking stupid are you ppl? Like I asked before. Why isn't crime as high where the thug bought the gun?

because the thug doesn't live there. he lives in the ghetto where they cant buy guns

 

[special]

Chicago has over 2300 shootings so far this year. An average of 1 shooting every 2.8 hours. This is even more frequent than every 3.3 hours that Chicago averaged last year. How many of the perps that committed these crimes do you think had these guns registered or had a background check done? My guess would be between zero and 1%

I might be able to open carry here in Fl. shortly.

 

[Rolodawg2011]

"The only way to be very effective is to keep excellent records of gun sales, limit the numbers that can be bought in a period of time and make inter-state commerce of weapons by non-licensed people a federal felony."

I'm sure POSOTUS and his minions would take that as a first step.....freedom loving ppl....not so much.
There is an ABSOLUTE right to have fire arms...there is no limit on how many a person can have or what he can own.

 

[Rolodawg2011]

because the thug doesn't live there. he lives in the ghetto where they cant buy guns

Oh, no thugs or getto's in IND or Wisc?

Gotcha....LMAO...but Gotcha..

 

[HeulenHund2]

I'm sure POSOTUS and his minions would take that as a first step.....freedom loving ppl....not so much.
There is an ABSOLUTE right to have fire arms...there is no limit on how many a person can have or what he can own.

Try reading more carefully and in context. The reference was to a person being able to buy unlimited numbers of guns in a short period of time and without background check to re-sale on the black market. It's not about how many guns you can collect.
Anybody who thinks it's ok for a person to buy a carload of weapons at a gun show, drive to Chicago or another city and sell them to hoodlums on the black market must be crazy. The only defense against such things are background checks before any sell, under any circumstance. That wouldn't impede on any person's rights.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Oh, no thugs or getto's in IND or Wisc?

Gotcha....LMAO...but Gotcha..

I take it you're not familiar with Gary Indiana and large areas of Milwaukee.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

No it doesn't prove the ''conservatives view on guns'', far, FAR from it. It proves these laws have to be nationwide to be effective. If a gun runner can buy at will in Georgia and sell for a huge profit in Chicago, it just creates another violent underground industry. I'm not claiming this would stop the violence in Chicago, it would simply be a needed improvement in the way gun sales are managed.

So we do that, then they come from Mexico...then again, won't matter, Guns will always find themselves in the hands of someone who wants them, especially if they don't care about laws. Same with Booze, Drugs, etc...Heck, there are laws that govern how much Sudafed you can buy because it can be used for Meth...yet....Meth is readily accessible anyway. Its kind of like the TSA, bans don't accomplish much of anything but its "security theater."

 

[HeulenHund2]

So we do that, then they come from Mexico...then again, won't matter, Guns will always find themselves in the hands of someone who wants them, especially if they don't care about laws. Same with Booze, Drugs, etc...Heck, there are laws that govern how much Sudafed you can buy because it can be used for Meth...yet....Meth is readily accessible anyway. Its kind of like the TSA, bans don't accomplish much of anything but its "security theater."

Meth and other drugs are never in controlled inventories. That's a huge difference from guns which require advanced manufacturing. They also come with serial numbers. Why not build cars without VIN numbers and sell them without registration ? Guns are only singled out for these silly arguments because a small percentage of Americans are paranoid about the government knowing what weapons they have.

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Based on your other posts, you are very liberal, which is ok, but also means you don't always give the market (free, black, or otherwise credit.) If there is a need/want, someone will make them somewhere. We've seen that most recently with gambling, which has been ahead of government regulation for some time. Daily fantasy, poker (legal for quite some time before then illegal...well, illegal in a way, they did it more through the banks) all filled a need that was borderline and now in poker's case, illegal. If you have more than a handful who want something, illegal or not, someone will come up with it. If illegal, generally the criminal enterprises will have better access than those who aren't, simply because they traditionally avoid banks and such and operate almost exclusively on untraceable cash basis. Now, I challenge those in favor of GC to do something that I've never seen done...run the actual stats on gun homocide (excluding self defense shootings) of legally owned versus illegally owned weapons. Even you have to admit, with guns illegal, its not as if those who already have them illegally are going to turn them in and if they commit a crime, its already a prosecutable gun crime anyway.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Based on your other posts, you are very liberal, which is ok, but also means you don't always give the market (free, black, or otherwise credit.) If there is a need/want, someone will make them somewhere. We've seen that most recently with gambling, which has been ahead of government regulation for some time. Daily fantasy, poker (legal for quite some time before then illegal...well, illegal in a way, they did it more through the banks) all filled a need that was borderline and now in poker's case, illegal. If you have more than a handful who want something, illegal or not, someone will come up with it. If illegal, generally the criminal enterprises will have better access than those who aren't, simply because they traditionally avoid banks and such and operate almost exclusively on untraceable cash basis. Now, I challenge those in favor of GC to do something that I've never seen done...run the actual stats on gun homocide (excluding self defense shootings) of legally owned versus illegally owned weapons. Even you have to admit, with guns illegal, its not as if those who already have them illegally are going to turn them in and if they commit a crime, its already a prosecutable gun crime anyway.

Please name a liberal position I've taken on this board, take your time.
I'm against Government gambling by the way, by that I mean lotteries, is My position liberal or conservative ?

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

I don't pay a whole lot of attention to Government gambling, but you have been an advocate of health care/single payer....you have taken a big stance on Gun Control as seen here...

 

[AubreyTXDawg]

Mind you, you're not what i would call "far left" like shade or goallinestalker.